View Full Version : What Are These G20 Protests About?
Anybody know?Is this a new sport?
MuSuLPhReAk
27-06-2010, 07:28 PM
I've already pulled a thread on this. If you guys want to discuss this, keep it clean and on point or I'll pull it again.
pseclint
27-06-2010, 07:29 PM
I would also like some insight on this, I missed the last thread
massmachine
27-06-2010, 07:30 PM
No specific cause I know of. Lots of anti police/prison propaganda from them though. The Police will be ridiculed to death over they should of did this and they should of done that but they seem to be doing their best at restoring the chaos...
gicantor
27-06-2010, 07:42 PM
Lots of reasons:
1. the security bill of 1 billion dollars when other countries were able to do it for a third of the cost.
2. the fact they shut down PUBLIC streets of t.o which goes against the charter of freedom.
3. people being questioned and detained without reason until the summit is over(which is illegal)
4. head polititians wining and dining on your tax dollar.
5. the new world order is coming. Globalization is almost here.
LonelyBedouin
27-06-2010, 07:53 PM
I was going to comment on this, but as a Toronto citizen myself. Im just glad its over. I found it complete bs that they shut down ALL forms of the TTC. And that if I were to go somewhere I was usually questioned or asked for ID. Of course I had no problems or issues with the police. I respect and thank police for their efforts this weekend. Specially when dealing with idiots who torch 2 cop cars...
Lots of reasons:
1. the security bill of 1 billion dollars when other countries were able to do it for a third of the cost.
2. the fact they shut down PUBLIC streets of t.o which goes against the charter of freedom.
3. people being questioned and detained without reason until the summit is over(which is illegal)
4. head polititians wining and dining on your tax dollar.
5. the new world order is coming. Globalization is almost here.
The cost is high.They could have just holed up,drank expensive liquor and kept every escort in the GTA busy and not spent anywhere near that cash.
They needed to shut down some streets.
Backpacks and balaclava's might draw interest.
Vote for Iggy,he's the NWO candidate,straight from Washington.:)
No specific cause I know of. Lots of anti police/prison propaganda from them though. The Police will be ridiculed to death over they should of did this and they should of done that but they seem to be doing their best at restoring the chaos...
Seems like everybody and their gay neighbor had a beef...
69challenger
27-06-2010, 08:46 PM
I respect and thank police for their efforts this weekend. Specially when dealing with idiots who torch 2 cop cars...
Yes. I think the police showed a great deal of restraint this weekend. Not sure what is behind all the protestors, but seems like most of them were peaceful...only a few ruined it for all.
LonelyBedouin
27-06-2010, 08:51 PM
Yes. I think the police showed a great deal of restraint this weekend. Not sure what is behind all the protestors, but seems like most of them were peaceful...only a few ruined it for all.
From what I saw and heard, you had two groups. Those who truly wanted to get a message across and those who wanted to cause destruction. The police knew exactly who was who and let the protesters do their thing and the anarchists where restrained and charged. There was no need to burn two cop cars, or throw golf balls. But you will always have the one guy who thinks negative attention will get him further.
faller
27-06-2010, 09:09 PM
G20?? Wasn't it the G7 not that long ago??
Bomani
27-06-2010, 09:19 PM
Yes and this year we had the G8 and the G20. Toronto police lost a toal of 5 vehicles during this summit. Only two however got stolen and torched,
Boomer
28-06-2010, 09:04 AM
What a great way to make a point hey? These protesters want to be taken seriously and have their concerns listened to, then go and behave like uncivilized animals and then wonder why they are ignored. Their tactics are just the same as those they protest against....it seems these protesters are using violence, intimidation and guerilla tactics to present an agenda.....which is all laughable since the big boys that are the targets could likely give two shits what these clowns do.
If all these "activists" wanrt to make a difference, form a political action group, get some $$$$ behind them and start garnering clout in the international arena. I know these "anarchists" don't subscibe to the process for change claiming its corrupt and countless other things, but it IS the way that game is played...and as it has been said countless times before.....Don't hate the player, hate the game.
It is intrest defined in terms of power.....if you want the Big Boys to listen, you better have some resource they want, else why would they waste time? Half these people never take the time to vote and yet moan and cry when what they consider an important issue gets ploughed under. Then they take to the streets and engage in the very activity they condem less "enlightened" nations for......I guess hypocracy doesn't have a limit does it?
faller
28-06-2010, 09:14 AM
Good post Boomer..
natenator
28-06-2010, 09:37 AM
I'm not going to support protesters but lets get our facts straight here, Boomer. It was a small handful of protesters that caused rioting this weekend., The other 99% was there in peaceful support of their (stupid) issues.
Boomer
28-06-2010, 10:55 AM
I'm not going to support protesters but lets get our facts straight here, Boomer. It was a small handful of protesters that caused rioting this weekend., The other 99% was there in peaceful support of their (stupid) issues.
Oh agreed....it was a small majority who started the whole ruckas in the first place....as it always is, a few ruin it for many
My point is that protesting is great....its wonderful we live in a nation that enables and supports such activism.. :fwave.however, my point is that it would be nice if all the dedicated people actually started "protesting" in an effective manner that actually garnered real results for their efforts.
Standing with a hand painted sign is great...cost about $5...sitting in negotiations with resources and clout you know the other side wants...priceless..
Just saying people should do things effectively and with precission as opposed to the "spray and pray" method....and by raising the bar as far as behaviour goes, the more effective activists can distance themselves from the diptards that do nothing but set their cause back.
Nate said it right above... "in support of their (stupid) issues".....
Now, would these issues seems as stupid if they weren't clouded by all the crap that goes with these G20/G8 wtfever-protests? Or would they seem more reasonable if presented in a professional manner? Not trying to take issue with anything, just asking how would the preception change if the delivery medium were different? Food for thought?
They're pissed off about a number of issues that many find to be unacceptable. So they're out protesting, an inalienable right under our Charter, which seems to be becoming more and more alienable under the new world order. 602 arbitrary arrests in order to find a few radicals. Arbitrary arrests are a violation of our Charter rights. Strip searches in front of Parkdale Community Legal Services. How many Charter violations do you think that encompasses? Journalists arrested without cause and allegedly beaten.
As for the vandals that are referred to as Black Bloc, the police would never infiltrate the more 'radical groups' and incite violence would they? They quit doing that after the Quebec protest didn't they? I guess we'll find out eventually. Maybe reality isn't a Walton's family episode?
Why don't they report the issues behind the protests? Why don't they report what's being talked about in the G20? Democracy indeed.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/27/g20-toronto-protest.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/blog-local-view/canadian-journalist-arrested-possibly-beaten/article1620219/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/26/two-post-photographers-arrested-at-g20-protest/
Why don't they report what's being talked about in the G20?
This is the important thing that is being missed.
Why is the media not in those rooms with tv camera's 24/7 so we can see and hear what is being said ? Things will be decided at these meetings that will effect all of us in some way or another .
LonelyBedouin
28-06-2010, 04:38 PM
This is the important thing that is being missed.
Why is the media not in those rooms with tv camera's 24/7 so we can see and hear what is being said ? Things will be decided at these meetings that will effect all of us in some way or another .
They do give a end of the G20 debriefing report. But certainly they do not give every detail about everything in it.
natenator
28-06-2010, 04:59 PM
This is the important thing that is being missed.
Why is the media not in those rooms with tv camera's 24/7 so we can see and hear what is being said ? Things will be decided at these meetings that will effect all of us in some way or another .
media should not be in the room. Media doesn't deserve to be part of the discussion. They can be informed about what has gone on AFTER the discussion has taken place just as every other political meeting takes place.
natenator
28-06-2010, 05:03 PM
They're pissed off about a number of issues that many find to be unacceptable. So they're out protesting, an inalienable right under our Charter, which seems to be becoming more and more alienable under the new world order. 602 arbitrary arrests in order to find a few radicals. Arbitrary arrests are a violation of our Charter rights. Strip searches in front of Parkdale Community Legal Services. How many Charter violations do you think that encompasses? Journalists arrested without cause and allegedly beaten.
As for the vandals that are referred to as Black Bloc, the police would never infiltrate the more 'radical groups' and incite violence would they? They quit doing that after the Quebec protest didn't they? I guess we'll find out eventually. Maybe reality isn't a Walton's family episode?
Why don't they report the issues behind the protests? Why don't they report what's being talked about in the G20? Democracy indeed.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/27/g20-toronto-protest.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/blog-local-view/canadian-journalist-arrested-possibly-beaten/article1620219/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/26/two-post-photographers-arrested-at-g20-protest/
Protesting is a joke these days and nothing ever comes from it. A better use of time would be to join an organization (or create one) which lobby's government about the issues which a person is so passionate about. As a collective, organized voice issues can be discussed and brought forward.
Protesters are considered a nuisance and their voice doesn't get heard because they are considered a nuisance.
If people really wanted to hit home a point NO ONE should have shown up. Imagine how foolish organizers would have looked to spend a billion dollars on security and no one showed up...
Protesting is a joke these days and nothing ever comes from it. A better use of time would be to join an organization (or create one) which lobby's government about the issues which a person is so passionate about. As a collective, organized voice issues can be discussed and brought forward.
Protesters are considered a nuisance and their voice doesn't get heard because they are considered a nuisance.
If people really wanted to hit home a point NO ONE should have shown up. Imagine how foolish organizers would have looked to spend a billion dollars on security and no one showed up...
What I hear you saying is that the creation of an organized bureaucratic group will result in negotiations that will somehow have influence over 20 different governments. That seems like a rather lofty task.
What do you mean by nuisance? Are their activities invalid and should thereby be banned b/c some think they are a nuisance? I think bicycles and motorbikes are a nuisance, along with children, the Santa Claus parade, Caribbana, Gay Pride, airport security, and buskers. We live in a society where we have to balance our own rights with the rights of others, nuisance or not.
The protest wasn't about the organizers, it was about political policies being made on a global scale. Complacency is compliance. I imagine the majority of protesters simply won't live with complacency and showed up to exhibit their disagreement with policies they generally have some fairly extensive knowledge about.
natenator
28-06-2010, 09:29 PM
What I hear you saying is that the creation of an organized bureaucratic group will result in negotiations that will somehow have influence over 20 different governments. That seems like a rather lofty task.
What do you mean by nuisance? Are their activities invalid and should thereby be banned b/c some think they are a nuisance? I think bicycles and motorbikes are a nuisance, along with children, the Santa Claus parade, Caribbana, Gay Pride, airport security, and buskers. We live in a society where we have to balance our own rights with the rights of others, nuisance or not.
The protest wasn't about the organizers, it was about political policies being made on a global scale. Complacency is compliance. I imagine the majority of protesters simply won't live with complacency and showed up to exhibit their disagreement with policies they generally have some fairly extensive knowledge about.
They are a nuisance. Plain and simple. People who are deemed a nuisance will have their voice ignored.
Showing up to chant or carry some signs to nothing. Solve nothing. Receive nothing. Those who organize get things done. I am not speaking about a bureaucratic organization full of rep tape and pansy bullshit but if you are passionate about a cause then do something useful to show your displeasure.
It's pretty simple. Politicians don't do anything unless public pressure forces them to OR it'll get them re-elected. There's a reason why lobby groups exist - they have numbers on their side to create pressure on politicians or risk losing votes. Organize in numbers and things get done.
As much as they disgust me this is how unions work AND get shit for their members.
massmachine
28-06-2010, 10:43 PM
Why don't they report what's being talked about in the G20? Democracy indeed.
2 words. Television ratings...
media should not be in the room. Media doesn't deserve to be part of the discussion. They can be informed about what has gone on AFTER the discussion has taken place just as every other political meeting takes place.
I disagree. I think we have the right to know what these people are talking about since it is our future. The media is our only way in. One camera and a few mic's and have it on one channel.
Most people would find it boring but some would find it interesting.
2 words. Television ratings...
1 acronym: CPAC. If we can televise discussions in parliament and the supreme court as a public service then why not the G20? People that have an interest can watch. Our taxes pay for every policy decision that derives from these talks, yet we have no right to know what these matters are and how they are arrived at?
Showing up to chant or carry some signs to nothing. Solve nothing. Receive nothing.
Suffrage, Vietnam, the women's movement, Chretian's decision to stay out of Iraq, and global warming policy changes were all a direct result of chanting and carrying signs. IMO, once large numbers of middle class individuals become more galvanized in regard to the G 7, 8, 20 matters that directly affect them, these protests will have an effect similar to the above. In the meantime the state will continue their standard approach of criminalizing and discrediting anyone that questions or opposes what it does.
SuperQT
29-06-2010, 11:29 AM
I have no problem with the peaceful chanting hippies it’s there right to do so. I do have issues with the punks dressed in black wearing masks that took it upon themselves to vandalize are city. There was another protest yesterday at police head quarters people acting like the friends detained are being held were at or something Guantanamo Bay.
evoke
29-06-2010, 08:10 PM
These protests won't have much effect imo. They're way too disorganized.
Thorgrim
13-07-2010, 04:50 PM
What I want to know is if rioting and protests are a problem at every G8/G20. Why do they continue to have them in large cities where they have to shut down down large portions of the city and bring in 1000's of police and spend a billion dollars on security?
They could host it on a private island resort somewhere and avoid all the violence altogether. Hell for a billion they could build a secure 5 star resort for the G20 every time. Or why not have a video conference or something and save all the money.
I think they host it in large cities so they can show us who is in charge. Shut down your city and tell you where you can and can't go on streets paid for with your tax money. It gives them a reason to jack up the police state and have cops demand to see your "papers."
I was going to comment on this, but as a Toronto citizen myself. Im just glad its over. I found it complete bs that they shut down ALL forms of the TTC. And that if I were to go somewhere I was usually questioned or asked for ID. Of course I had no problems or issues with the police. I respect and thank police for their efforts this weekend. Specially when dealing with idiots who torch 2 cop cars...
Nothing else really makes sense.They know that there is going to be some violence wherever they have these meetings so why not avoid it?
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