Lesnar/Carwin

[natenator]

Anyone else getting excited for this tilt?

I'm hoping Carwin knocks that white trash redneck the **** out!

[Joe_Ripped]

This is gonna be a great card... Too bad silva got hurt..

I got my money on Carwin..

[Spyder122]

Down with Lesnar! Carwin for the win. First Round!

[fit226]

I will be in Vegas that night!!! ....Can't wait..tried to get tickets but they want 1G for a ticket!

Gonna go and hang at MGM while it's going on!

[natenator]

I will be in Vegas that night!!! ....Can't wait..tried to get tickets but they want 1G for a ticket!

Gonna go and hang at MGM while it's going on!
prick lol

[fit226]

i am actually heading to Vegas alone this time!!....If anyone is gonna be down there, let's hook up

This will be my 12th time there and still love it like the first time i went!

[guest]

i would like Brock better with this fight being a loss on his record. whichever though, someone's gonna get KO'd!

[O-Train]

My parents are coming to visit...

[ironwill]

Lesnar second round KO, no doubt about......giver redneck....!!!!

[dku]

I'm pumped. If the winner fought Fedor next I could die happily.

BTW: Brock's odds are at like -150, so he is the moderate favorite.

[St]

Anyone else getting excited for this tilt?

I'm hoping Carwin knocks that white trash redneck the **** out!

Well said i hate the guy,but ya i'm excited.

[ironwill]

I'm pumped. If the winner fought Fedor next I could die happily.

BTW: Brock's odds are at like -150, so he is the moderate favorite.

As he should be...Hes a showman, and he is damn good at it......Gets everyone pumped up.....Cant wait to watch him move carwins nose over to the left side of his face....booooyah!!!!

[japh]

It'll be interesting to see if Brock was able to get back in shape.

Carwin will be in shape for sure so we'll see.

It'll be interesting to see Brock get hit HARD for the FIRST time.

It'll be interesting to see how these guys cancel each other out and which freak will be able to impose his will.

I'm thinking Carwin on his better boxing and conditioning with him cancelling out the wrestling. Anything could happen though. Tough one to predict accurately.

[evoke]

Great fight. I hope Lesnar can trade with Carwin, standing, for a little bit at least - before going for the single as he always does.

[dku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rPnOjh6SWc&feature=player_embedded

[O-Train]

If Lesnar does what he should do he'll take down Carwin and crush him in the 1st round. I don't think Carwin can hang with Lesnar on the ground. If he decides to stand and trade I'm not sure what will happen. It's Lesnar's fight to lose.

[PdH]

I really hope that Carwin smashes Lesnar's big ole pumpkin head. Maybe then Lesnar will go back where he belongs, to the WWE with the other circus freaks.

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[guest]

what is all this talk about 'trading'? boys that big don't trade;) it's usually whomever gets hit first.

[cog]

Anyone else getting excited for this tilt?

I'm hoping Carwin knocks that white trash redneck the **** out!

I hardly think that Lesnar fits the description of white trash.Hard to say how this will go.Hope Nate doesn't lose too much cash here.

[natenator]

I hardly think that Lesnar fits the description of white trash.Hard to say how this will go.Hope Nate doesn't lose too much cash here.
I have no money riding on this fight and yes, Lesnar is most certainly white trash. You may be able to take the guy out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the guy.

[ironwill]

I have no money riding on this fight and yes, Lesnar is most certainly white trash. You may be able to take the guy out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the guy.

No way, his wife is all class!!!!lolol
I kind of feel bad for Carwin, all this hype to last 1.5 rounds...Ah well, a loss against Lesnar wont be all bad, the dude is unstoppable....

[Spyder122]

No way, his wife is all class!!!!lolol
I kind of feel bad for Carwin, all this hype to last 1.5 rounds...Ah well, a loss against Lesnar wont be all bad, the dude is unstoppable....

Well...Frank Mir did beat him once. Later Frank Mir got pummled by Lesnar. But that went to round 2. Carwin beat Mir in round 1. So... Carwin for the win, round 1!

[yooN]

All this hype over something that's going to end in the first round by whoever gets a clean hit...
Can't say it's going to be a 'good fight', but it certainly will be a quick one.

[natenator]

No way, his wife is all class!!!!lolol
I kind of feel bad for Carwin, all this hype to last 1.5 rounds...Ah well, a loss against Lesnar wont be all bad, the dude is unstoppable....
just because she doesn't look it doesn't mean she didn't escape from a similar trailer park... :D

[turboturist]

what is all this talk about 'trading'? boys that big don't trade;) it's usually whomever gets hit first.

lol, and I believe Carwin takes this.

[ironwill]

Well...Frank Mir did beat him once. Later Frank Mir got pummled by Lesnar. But that went to round 2. Carwin beat Mir in round 1. So... Carwin for the win, round 1!

Dont get logical, just bask in the glory of watching Lesnar win and showboat like a bugger!!!!....Honestly Im kidding around, i think he will win, and im more stoked to watch this than any other fight in a long time!!

[guest]

lol, and I believe Carwin takes this.

i am hoping so too.

[japh]

I'd love to see Carwin take Brocks will. I think he's humble and hard corp enough to do it.

[natenator]

It is tiiiiiiiiiiiime!!!!!!!

[Knuckles28]

any live feeds available??

[natenator]

any live feeds available??
No idea. I'm at my cottage so I ordered it up.

This one is worth seeing on my 50" HD plasma lol

[rob66679]

any live feeds available??

I'd check ATDHE.NET

[Knuckles28]

No idea. I'm at my cottage so I ordered it up.

This one is worth seeing on my 50" HD plasma lol

Nice im watching it on my 19" monitor. yup atdhe is working great!!

[Knuckles28]

I'd check ATDHE.NET

The comercials from the UK are funny as hell!

[liquidfire]

Nice im watching it on my 19" monitor. yup atdhe is working great!!

Do you have a link? Their site isn't loading for me...

[rob66679]

Do you have a link? Their site isn't loading for me...

Found a great one.

http://watchlivestreamshow.blogspot.com/

enjoy woooooooo

[natenator]

I fuken love Chris leben!

[Adonis13]

wow lesnar with the joke out lol. good come back.

[natenator]

Good fight! Congrats to Brock.

Small problem for him tho. He just proved he has no chin and can't take a heavyweight punch as carwin had virtually no momentum behind the shots.

Excellent win for Brock tho!

[liquidfire]

Found a great one.

http://watchlivestreamshow.blogspot.com/

enjoy woooooooo


Awesome, thanks man!

[evoke]

That was a great fight! I thought Brock was done in round1. Lesnar really needs to work on his stand up, especially blocking and head movement.
Grats to Brock on the win, good sub.

[guest]

good job by both guys. obv room for improvement with each of them but was fun to watch.

[cog]

Brock was lucky the ref didn't stop that.

[PdH]

I enjoyed the fight to. I think the most entertaining thing was seeing Lesnar in fetal. Carwin pummeled that pumpkin head but it just wouldn't break. Maybe next time. I admit it was a good choke.

The sub by Lytle was one of the best I've ever seen in the UFC. Fluid like a seminar demonstration.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Enjoyed the fight too. Liked the beginning of the second round where they both smirk at each other then touch gloves. Sign of respect from both guys. Good sub from Brock. Obviously Carwin was totally out of steam.

[BAM]

The Leben fight was also entertaining.

[cog]

The Leben fight was also entertaining.

X2.Whole card was good.

[ironwill]

Great card, i was a bit off about the knockout, but ill take a submission, just as good.....brock showed he can take one of the biggest guys punches over and over....And he got nervous, you could see it, he ducked and scurried, BUT, this is his 5th fight with punches and kicks in his life, he wasnt sure if he could take it either....HE WILL IMPROVE, he is a working man, and i respect his ethic a lot.....NOW, watch out as his confidence grows after taking some shots finally and knowing his chin is good, he wasnt dazed, He came out strong second round, and relieved, Carwin was gassed and confused......Gooooooood fights had by all....Leben is also awesome, i love his zombie routine after he gets wobbled....Weeble wobble but he wont go down....

[Knuckles28]

The Leben fight was also entertaining.

It was a great fight! Leben has come a LONG way since TUF. he's for sure one of my favorite fighters. Hell he fought 2 weeks ago at TUF then comes out this week and fights another tough dude.
It was hard watching Lesnar sub Carwin i really thought he was done in the first round. His chin is brutal but Carwin does have heavy hands so good win for Lesnar. I just don't understand why Lesnar would tattoo a giant dick on his chest??

[ironwill]

ROCK ON LESNAR, Unfortunately will be boring for awhile now as who can even stand up to one of the best athletes in the ring????

[ironwill]

It was a great fight! Leben has come a LONG way since TUF. he's for sure one of my favorite fighters. Hell he fought 2 weeks ago at TUF then comes out this week and fights another tough dude.
It was hard watching Lesnar sub Carwin i really thought he was done in the first round. His chin is brutal but Carwin does have heavy hands so good win for Lesnar. I just don't understand why Lesnar would tattoo a giant dick on his chest??
You are nuts, he dropped and covered and was fully aware in the ring....

[Knuckles28]

ROCK ON LESNAR, Unfortunately will be boring for awhile now as who can even stand up to one of the best athletes in the ring????

Is there many others that are as big and strong as him?? When Lesnar gets you on the ground your in trouble.. Wait a few years he's gona be more of a beast than he is now.

[Knuckles28]

You are nuts, he dropped and covered and was fully aware in the ring....

Not the way i seen it Carwin popped him in the right eye. Lesnar turtled and covered yes thats true. But i saw him go down from punches. And no i didnt have much wine in me by then i was seeing clearly.:D

[Knuckles28]

He's not used to getting hit, really who has landed clean shots on him like that??

[guest]

LOL! IW you're a shit disturber.

[natenator]

Bricks chin isn't good. Maybe good enough for guys who weighed 250 on fight night but not good enough to take a punch from a guy that had virtually no mome tum into his punches that sent Brock running like a 12 year old girl.

He pulled out a great win no doubt.

FYI: I don't think carwin gassed out. I watched the fight a few times and the way he was acting wasn't like someone who lost their cardio?

[GYMBRAT]

You are nuts, he dropped and covered and was fully aware in the ring....

I agree, tho he was being overwhelmed because he is most def NOT a stand up scrapper and he fully relies on his wrestling and size to dominate!

[ironwill]

LOL! IW you're a shit disturber.
:p Its fun.....

Lesnar is learning, and improving at each outing...... Hes a young man, watch out in the next couple of yrs, a path of destruction i say!!!
Hell he can turtle as we saw, but he is gaining confidence right now...He took it, and carwin wasnt gassed, he was shit scared because he smashed Brock with his best, be it a punch carrying momentum or not, he gave it his all, and Lesnar smiled at him.....
Lesnar got in his head without trying...

We also saw a bit of humilty in Lesnar last night, which made me even more proud for Being his number 1 fan!!!
But he is still the toughest sumbitch around!!!!:shock

[ironwill]

Ill admit my heart literally sank at about halfway through first round when Brocks head was bouncing off the mat, I was friggin upset, but when he kept his alertness throughout, and carwin was getting less impact, i knew he would just need to get re set to unleash the fury!!!

[PdH]

Hell he can turtle as we saw

I prefer to call it fetal. :ne

You are right about his attitude last night though. He did seem somewhat more humble. If he lets go of the WWE dramatic flair he might be able to walk down the UFC isle with a little less contempt and revulsion directed towards him. I guess I just feel very strongly that the martial arts should not be a sideshow, and MMA is a martial art.

[PdH]

Ill admit my heart literally sank at about halfway through first round when Brocks head was bouncing off the mat

Hhhhhmmmm. My heart jumped with glee!

[natenator]

I prefer to call it fetal. :ne

You are right about his attitude last night though. He did seem somewhat more humble. If he lets go of the WWE dramatic flair he might be able to walk down the UFC isle with a little less contempt and revulsion directed towards him. I guess I just feel very strongly that the martial arts should not be a sideshow, and MMA is a martial art.
I agree and that is pretty much my entire problem with the guy. Act like mostly every other fighter out there (exceptions do exist) and I'd probably like the guy and wish him success in the sport.

My other problem with him (not him directly but rather the UFC) is he didn't have to pay his dues like every other fighter. 3 fights in, including a loss, he was given a title shot whereas there are lots of guys with considerably more fights and wins still waiting for theirs. MMA/UFC math makes no sense.

Brock was a big draw, big hype and that's the only reason he got the shots he did.

[natenator]

Anyone think Carwin has no heart?

Some believe him just laying there in the 2nd round waiting to be submitted showed he had no heart. No heart to battle through adversity.

I disagree but would enjoy hearing some debate on the topic.

[GYMBRAT]

Anyone think Carwin has no heart?

Some believe him just laying there in the 2nd round waiting to be submitted showed he had no heart. No heart to battle through adversity.

I disagree but would enjoy hearing some debate on the topic.

I don't think that way, I just think he was gassed and if ones ever been in a scrap they know all well how easy it is to get gassed then get their ass kicked LOL

[natenator]

I don't think that way, I just think he was gassed and if ones ever been in a scrap they know all well how easy it is to get gassed then get their ass kicked LOL
I agree. I'd love to see the guys claiming he had no heart throw 50+ punches while weighing close to 285lbs at another guy who weighs close to 285lbs.

I am not sure he gassed tho. From his words it made it sound like he cramped up and couldn't move much? Maybe he didn't rehydrate enough or get enough carbs back into him?

who knows. I'd like to hear what he thinks went wrong...

[GYMBRAT]

yeah I agree, and thats a good possibility as well nate you bet (cramped up).....I'd love to hear what happened as well

[natenator]

I had to watch the fight again and I still have to giggle at seeing Brock try to run away like a girl. I bet if there was no fence stopping him he would ran right outta there! lol

[ironwill]

I had to watch the fight again and I still have to giggle at seeing Brock try to run away like a girl. I bet if there was no fence stopping him he would ran right outta there! lol

then he won with authority, a happy ending....

[natenator]

then he won with authority, a happy ending....
I'm not discrediting his win. I'm discrediting him as a fighter. Fighters stand and fight. They protect themselves when need be but fighters don't run away. He turned tail and ran.

Chris Leben got punched with bombs and he kept swinging. Bonnar got tagged over and over again and he kept swinging.

Hell, Carwin got rocked by Gonzaga in their fight and he kept throwing.

Fighters fight. Brock ran.

[cog]

Agree.Likely the first time he's ever been beat on in his life.He's quite fortunate to have won.


I see more beatings in the future.

[guest]

then he won with authority, a happy ending....

my definition of authority may vary but choking out a guy that was more or less just laying there doesn't define it very well for me.

i would more likely use "with authority" in describing the beating Carwin dealt Brock in the first round.

i'm liking Brock much more with his new found modesty, no doubt something he has picked up from the sport and the people in it.

if anything, Lesnar gained some credibility in that fight, yeah he ran.... but he also weathered a storm no one else has been able too. he can dish it and take it. luckily for him Carwin shot his load in the first.

[rob66679]

my definition of authority may vary but choking out a guy that was more or less just laying there doesn't define it very well for me.

i would more likely use "with authority" in describing the beating Carwin dealt Brock in the first round.

i'm liking Brock much more with his new found modesty, no doubt something he has picked up from the sport and the people in it.

if anything, Lesnar gained some credibility in that fight, yeah he ran.... but he also weathered a storm no one else has been able too. he can dish it and take it. luckily for him Carwin shot his load in the first.

I pretty much agree with this.

I think the only reason Brock showed any modesty is because he knew he was lucky to escape the first round.
It was the first time he looked scared in a fight, right from the time he got in the cage.... he knows Carwin has his number. All the first round Carwin stuffed his take-downs, and kicked his ass in the stand up.
Brock is lucky.
This deserves an immediate rematch...... But I don't think Dana wants his poster boy's reputation damaged any more.
Shogun got a rematch, and Brock got an immediate rematch against Mir after basically the same thing happened...... Brock dominated until he made a mistake and got submitted by Mir.

[natenator]

I personally think Lesnar should figth Cain next and Carwin fight JDS and if both win their fights then rematch.

[ironwill]

I'm not discrediting his win. I'm discrediting him as a fighter. Fighters stand and fight. They protect themselves when need be but fighters don't run away. He turned tail and ran.

Chris Leben got punched with bombs and he kept swinging. Bonnar got tagged over and over again and he kept swinging.

Hell, Carwin got rocked by Gonzaga in their fight and he kept throwing.

Fighters fight. Brock ran.

He was just getting a spot on the mat with no sweat on it from previous matches, then he wanted to find the spot where he could lay comfortably and take a rest and block for awhile, without getting all that gross pre fight sweat on him...Didnt you see he was looking down all the while....
He found the area that would work well, dropped down gracefully i might add, got comfortable and let Carwin punch away....

Oh yeah, then he won......with semi-authority......!!!

[rob66679]

I personally think Lesnar should figth Cain next and Carwin fight JDS and if both win their fights then rematch.

Fair enough.
I think that JDS is fighting Big Country next.......

I don't know if Cain has enough size or wrestling skills to keep Lesnar off of him. Def has awesome striking though.

Really makes me wonder what Overeem would do against Brock now, he threw Rogers around like a baby. Awesome striking to go with it, and he's around 270 lbs......

[yooN]

I'm definitely eating my words! Amazing fight! Brock is starting to win me over, but man did he ever take a beating.

The shot of Cain at the end of the fight was SO FUNNY!
Cain looked so scared and was probably thinking ... '**** how am I suppose to beat THAT!?'

[japh]

Pretty good fight in my opinion. Lesnar took a beating no one Carwin has faced yet could take. He earned that win for sure.

Lesnars overall skill level needs to be much improved still though. Thank God for him he learned an arm triangle. lol

[japh]

Caine Velasquez will get the next shot. He has a better chance of winning than Carwin. Because of his skill level I would actually favor Velasquez.

[PdH]

I agree that Brock's submission was decent, but submission of the night? I think not. That belongs to Chris Lytle without a shadow of a doubt. ****in Dana White, the Don King of MMA. :rolleyes:

[BAM]

luckily for him Carwin shot his load in the first.

Apparently Carwin only had one load to shoot. I guess Carwin should have ran away for two rounds and then "unleashed his load" lol

Sad that he just burnt out like that in the second. That's more pathetic than turtling. He deserved to lose. Its too bad Brock didnt get a mount on him
and whacka-mole Carwins head right through the canvas.

[Knuckles28]

Carwin gassed hard.. imo. the dude has never been to the second round nd im sure no doubt he didnt train for more than 1 round. Lesnar took a good beating in the first, but who ever told him he should run then lay down and cover up should be fired by him lol.

More and more i am liking Lesnar but as Nate said the guy didnt pay his dues, i dont think hes the baddest sumbitch around either he has yet to prove that. Once he walks into the cage and like GSP completely dominates all comers then he will be the baddest. Right now he's the biggest and strongest lol. With Lesnar taking the last year off he didnt look any worse or better IMO. Give this beast a few years. OK i've watched the fight again and still i see it... Lesnar has little skinny chicken legs!!!!!!!! Anyone else notice that? just looks funny were his upper body is so developed.

Sub of the NIGHT WTF!!!!! i'm gona twitter Dana White later and call him the Don King of MMA lol that made me laugh. Lytle easily took that honor, you think that by him saying it was sub of the night in the post fight with Rogan, Dana may have said "yeah right im da boss i decide that"

Edit: Lesnar "stood here as your humble champion" because he was told no more WWE BS by the brass no doubt... Maybe he's finally realizing MMA fans dont like to be entertained with words ;)
He's still a cocky arrogant sumbitch.. and i bet it took a lot to not tell off the nay sayers lol.

[ironwill]

I agree that Brock's submission was decent, but submission of the night? I think not. That belongs to Chris Lytle without a shadow of a doubt. ****in Dana White, the Don King of MMA. :rolleyes:

Awesome!!! I didnt know that, i shut it off a happy man after Lesnar drank from the sweet cup of victory, filled with a delicious blend of awesomeness...
Deserving as well....:gayfight

[PdH]

You're right IW. Lesnar is a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious champ. I hope he lives forever and is brought his daily fill of the finest virgins from all corners of the empire. (I stole that last part from 300).

[natenator]

You're right IW. Lesnar is a supercalifragilisticexpialidocious champ. I hope he lives forever and is brought his daily fill of the finest virgins from all corners of the empire. (I stole that last part from 300).
easy dude. I might start thinking you, too, are a Lesnar nuthugger

[PdH]

easy dude. I might start thinking you, too, are a Lesnar nuthugger

Your grammar is just terrible Nathan. :)

[natenator]

Your grammar is just terrible Nathan. :)
I try hard!

[guest]

who is left for Lesnar to match now? could he be ready for Carl Cipriano?

[ironwill]

easy dude. I might start thinking you, too, are a Lesnar nuthugger

Get on the train........The victory train is always a nice ride!!!
And its just getting started down the line.....woooot, woooot....

Dont hate, participate!!!

[PdH]

I try hard!

There is no try, only do. Ha!

This is my 2000th post. Maybe I spend too much time here? :confused:

[ironwill]

:laugh
who is left for Lesnar to match now? could he be ready for Carl Cipriano?:laugh:laugh
Youse a funny guy....LOL, :beer

[natenator]

There is no try, only do. Ha!
I do hard too! lol

[natenator]

who is left for Lesnar to match now? could he be ready for Carl Cipriano?
lol

[ironwill]

Well, off to the gym, then the lake for rest of week, would be nice to stay and bask, but im all saxified for now....

[PdH]

who is left for Lesnar to match now? could he be ready for Carl Cipriano?

Did Carl beat you up or something Bana? You seem to take jabs at him for some reason. Why Bana? Why? :)

[slick rick]

Brocks size, strength and speed is going to be hard for anyone to deal with. However it is proven already that he doesn't like getting hit...Couture and Carwin both proved that. i think he needs a war where he goes toe to toe, i guarantee that will make him allot more confident as an MMA fighter.

i think there are still a few guys that would and could give him a licking..the Bigger Stronger Faster version of Overeem...the guy has elite K1 level striking and now has the size to back it up. I also think big Nog would be a good match up, there's not many better fighters than Nog at working off subs from his back while taking a beating, he just needs a few "W's" to get that shot. And of course.. Fedor, no need for explanation.

[guest]

Did Carl beat you up or something Bana? You seem to take jabs at him for some reason. Why Bana? Why? :)

haha! Yes he did. I cried.

Carl vs Team Holiflex was one of my fondest MN memories.

[cog]

Brocks size, strength and speed is going to be hard for anyone to deal with. However it is proven already that he doesn't like getting hit...Couture and Carwin both proved that. i think he needs a war where he goes toe to toe, i guarantee that will make him allot more confident as an MMA fighter.

i think there are still a few guys that would and could give him a licking..the Bigger Stronger Faster version of Overeem...the guy has elite K1 level striking and now has the size to back it up. I also think big Nog would be a good match up, there's not many better fighters than Nog at working off subs from his back while taking a beating, he just needs a few "W's" to get that shot. And of course.. Fedor, no need for explanation.

Doubtful Overeem would pass a real drug test.Notice how Strikeforce almost immediately announced that he had passed the in-house drug test,but were still waiting on the results for every other fighter?Fedor should tighten his diet and move down to 205.

[rob66679]

Doubtful Overeem would pass a real drug test.Notice how Strikeforce almost immediately announced that he had passed the in-house drug test,but were still waiting on the results for every other fighter?Fedor should tighten his diet and move down to 205.

Thats a good point regarding the drug testing... But Brock went down to 200 lbs and gained it all back within a year? Clean?
I saw a really good article by the Balco guy Victor Conte regarding Manny Paquaio's alleged drug use. He said that current drug testing in Boxing/MMA is a joke, and that he could easily beat any test that has a pre-determined date.

I really don't think Cain has the size or strenth to keep Brock away... Cains what 230 lbs? Overeems basically a bigger, stronger version.... better striking too.

I dunno, I think Carwin was gassed but ultimately he just plain made a mistake and got submitted. I don't really think its fair to say that he didn't train for 5 rounds..... he saw a chance and went for it, and the fight easily could have been stopped.

For that matter, anybody remember when Kimbo fought Roy Nelson in the first fight of TUFF..... Roy had him in the crusifix, and hit him about 50x strait...and the ref just watched.
The UFC protects its money makers, don't ever doubt it.

[rob66679]

Carwin gassed hard.. imo. the dude has never been to the second round nd im sure no doubt he didnt train for more than 1 round. Lesnar took a good beating in the first, but who ever told him he should run then lay down and cover up should be fired by him lol.

More and more i am liking Lesnar but as Nate said the guy didnt pay his dues, i dont think hes the baddest sumbitch around either he has yet to prove that. Once he walks into the cage and like GSP completely dominates all comers then he will be the baddest. Right now he's the biggest and strongest lol. With Lesnar taking the last year off he didnt look any worse or better IMO. Give this beast a few years. OK i've watched the fight again and still i see it... Lesnar has little skinny chicken legs!!!!!!!! Anyone else notice that? just looks funny were his upper body is so developed.

Sub of the NIGHT WTF!!!!! i'm gona twitter Dana White later and call him the Don King of MMA lol that made me laugh. Lytle easily took that honor, you think that by him saying it was sub of the night in the post fight with Rogan, Dana may have said "yeah right im da boss i decide that"

Edit: Lesnar "stood here as your humble champion" because he was told no more WWE BS by the brass no doubt... Maybe he's finally realizing MMA fans dont like to be entertained with words ;)
He's still a cocky arrogant sumbitch.. and i bet it took a lot to not tell off the nay sayers lol.

Theres no way a guy who's only making 40k didn't train for the full 5 rounds.

[guest]

Doubtful Overeem would pass a real drug test.Notice how Strikeforce almost immediately announced that he had passed the in-house drug test,but were still waiting on the results for every other fighter?Fedor should tighten his diet and move down to 205.

some things to consider...


http://www.heavy.com/mma/strikeforce/2010/05/overeem-and-five-others-pass-strikeforce-drug-test/

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2010/05/14/strikeforce-to-drug-test-all-heavy-artillery-fighters-after-weigh-ins-today/

[dku]

^ He could be taking test (no ester) until like a couple of days before he gets tested though right?

[Bojangles31]

I just got back from Vegas last night. I have got to tell you guys i was at the fights and it was probably one of the best cards ever. Not one fight that we saw (prelims included) went to a decision. That Leibin fight was by far fight of the night. The look in that mans eyes is just creepy, he is f&^king crazy. He just loves getting hit.

Buddies and I went to the Foundation Room at the Mandalay Bay where Carwin was having his after party. The man has a head like a mailbox. He is one big man. In was BSing with his brother and he just told me wait for #2. Personally i think that if he was fighting anyone other than Lesnar they would have stopped it in the first round. I can't wait for the rematch.

[cog]

Thats a good point regarding the drug testing... But Brock went down to 200 lbs and gained it all back within a year? Clean?
I saw a really good article by the Balco guy Victor Conte regarding Manny Paquaio's alleged drug use. He said that current drug testing in Boxing/MMA is a joke, and that he could easily beat any test that has a pre-determined date.

I really don't think Cain has the size or strenth to keep Brock away... Cains what 230 lbs? Overeems basically a bigger, stronger version.... better striking too.

I dunno, I think Carwin was gassed but ultimately he just plain made a mistake and got submitted. I don't really think its fair to say that he didn't train for 5 rounds..... he saw a chance and went for it, and the fight easily could have been stopped.

For that matter, anybody remember when Kimbo fought Roy Nelson in the first fight of TUFF..... Roy had him in the crusifix, and hit him about 50x strait...and the ref just watched.
The UFC protects its money makers, don't ever doubt it.

Cain has a very solid game.

[cog]

I just got back from Vegas last night. I have got to tell you guys i was at the fights and it was probably one of the best cards ever. Not one fight that we saw (prelims included) went to a decision. That Leibin fight was by far fight of the night. The look in that mans eyes is just creepy, he is f&^king crazy. He just loves getting hit.

Buddies and I went to the Foundation Room at the Mandalay Bay where Carwin was having his after party. The man has a head like a mailbox. He is one big man. In was BSing with his brother and he just told me wait for #2. Personally i think that if he was fighting anyone other than Lesnar they would have stopped it in the first round. I can't wait for the rematch.

I think they would have stopped it as well.What do you think Carwin was weighing?

[cog]

some things to consider...


http://www.heavy.com/mma/strikeforce/2010/05/overeem-and-five-others-pass-strikeforce-drug-test/

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2010/05/14/strikeforce-to-drug-test-all-heavy-artillery-fighters-after-weigh-ins-today/

I think Strikeforce would think long and hard before they would pull the plug on their star....

[guest]

I think Strikeforce would think long and hard before they would pull the plug on their star....

i'm just curious why you are so interested in this topic? especially in the relation of strikeforce to the ufc?

i believe abuse is happening everywhere, regardless of the organization. as i mentioned earlier, alves hardly looks natural to me, yet he is one of the ufc's top contenders.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jun/10/drug-testing-methods-nevada-athletic-commission-ra/

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/06/10/victor-conte-on-nevada-commissions-worthless-drug-testing-pol/

http://bahiamma.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/thiago-alves.jpg

[Bojangles31]

I think they would have stopped it as well.What do you think Carwin was weighing?


I would say 280 maybe 285. He's a big guy.

[japh]

Its interesting how lesnar "looked" so much bigger than carwin at the same weight.

I would be interested in knowing how much each of them weighed after rehydrating.

Lesnar looks 20 pounds bigger when he weighs in the same.

[whiteknight]

I like them both

I was disapointed that Carwin gased out.

Lesnar is wider.....Carwin is thicker....

I would like to see a rematch

[Bojangles31]

Its interesting how lesnar "looked" so much bigger than carwin at the same weight.

I would be interested in knowing how much each of them weighed after rehydrating.

Lesnar looks 20 pounds bigger when he weighs in the same.



Lesnar has no legs. He carries his weight all on the upper half of his body. Carwin is more evenly proportioned.

[dku]

Lesnar has no legs. He carries his weight all on the upper half of his body. Carwin is more evenly proportioned.

I think he squatted like 700lbs in the NFL combine. Also, he ran the 40 in like 4.6 seconds, which tells me his legs are doing alright.

[Bojangles31]

I think he squatted like 700lbs in the NFL combine. Also, he ran the 40 in like 4.6 seconds, which tells me his legs are doing alright.


Since when does the size of your muscles determine how strong or fast you are? All i am saying is that he is not as thick as Carwin in the leg dept.

[cog]

i'm just curious why you are so interested in this topic? especially in the relation of strikeforce to the ufc?

i believe abuse is happening everywhere, regardless of the organization. as i mentioned earlier, alves hardly looks natural to me, yet he is one of the ufc's top contenders.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jun/10/drug-testing-methods-nevada-athletic-commission-ra/

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/06/10/victor-conte-on-nevada-commissions-worthless-drug-testing-pol/

http://bahiamma.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/thiago-alves.jpg

Nothing really extreme on that frame Bana.No gyno.

[dku]

If you want evidence of juicing in MMA, check out this pic:

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/lashley_sapp_weigh_in.jpg

Probably over 600lbs between these 2.

[guest]

Nothing really extreme on that frame Bana.No gyno.

that looks natural to you?

[japh]

Yeah, I like Bobby Lashley's physique. For me thats the perfect combination of size and athletecism.

[cog]

that looks natural to you?

He is pretty young....but I can't say with any authority if it's possible to be optimized for fighting and look like that.

[TapOut]

Nothing really extreme on that frame Bana.No gyno.

just because your taking steroids doesn't mean you will show signs of gyno....i totally agree that he does not look natural to me imo, it sure looks like he juiced but i could be wrong....his muscles do have a good thickness on his frame

[japh]

haha you also don't have to be big to be juicing as an athlete. Tour de France anyone?

[rob66679]

that looks natural to you?

Bob Sapp was around 380 with abs when he first started fighting.
I think he's down around 300 lbs now.

[cog]

just because your taking steroids doesn't mean you will show signs of gyno....i totally agree that he does not look natural to me imo, it sure looks like he juiced but i could be wrong....his muscles do have a good thickness on his frame

Of course,using moderate amounts of test,and being able to pass upcoming tests likely will not result in gyno.IIRC,St mentioned 300 mg a week will allow you to slide by,none of the other fighters would use,right?Is he using something the other guys.are not?

[cog]

Bob Sapp was around 380 with abs when he first started fighting.
I think he's down around 300 lbs now.

He's looking pretty natty.

[rob66679]

Of course,using moderate amounts of test,and being able to pass upcoming tests likely will not result in gyno.IIRC,St mentioned 300 mg a week will allow you to slide by,none of the other fighters would use,right?Is he using something the other guys.are not?

IMHO almost everybody is taking something.
Josh Barnett has tested positive twice, James Toney tested positive as well and neither one has a really impressive build.
At this point I really don't think I can tell who is using by the way they look.

I really don't know how someone could do the massive amounts of cardio that Lesnar does and maintain that amount of muscle.
I don't know how someone could go down to 200 lbs and gain 100 lbs back within 8 months natty either. Doesn't seem possible.

[cog]

IMHO almost everybody is taking something.
Josh Barnett has tested positive twice, James Toney tested positive as well and neither one has a really impressive build.
At this point I really don't think I can tell who is using by the way they look.

I really don't know how someone could do the massive amounts of cardio that Lesnar does and maintain that amount of muscle.
I don't know how someone could go down to 200 lbs and gain 100 lbs back within 8 months natty either. Doesn't seem possible.

Muscle memory for sure if you don't wait too long.No threat of a test would help.:)He has been that size and bigger for quite a few years.