EO allergy GSO ok?

[Dragon1911]

I think im allergic to EO as any shots to my glutes or thighs are painfull for 2-4 days, my delt shots were fine but then last week 8 days after pinning my right delt my right arm from elbow to just under my delt got red and puffy which is going down now. Left delt has a small red patch but nothing like the right arm. Regardless its going away after 3 days and wanst painfull or itchy just red and tight.

I found it odd that the first week was fine but the second week is when things flared up but i guess as the oil spread thats when the reaction started.
The other injection sites are a little red but not as bad as th one arm could it just be a bad shot or is this definately and allergy.

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/dragon1911/Monarchs016.jpg this is my right arm
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/dragon1911/Monarchs014.jpg right arm again from front
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/dragon1911/Monarchs015.jpg right arm again from back
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/dragon1911/Monarchs017.jpg this is my left arm

Im going to try switching to GSO as a base, are there known GSO allergic reactions or is this a try and find out type of thing. I know EO is a love it or hate it thing but i cant seem to find much on GSO allergies.

Any help or feedback is greatly appreciated.

[LonelyBedouin]

Is it warm to the touch? Also just take a advil. Are you alcoholic beverages?? If so then you are allergic if not then not your not allergic to EO

[Dragon1911]

Ive been taking advil for the first day when pain is bad but the pain disipates fast and sometimes there is no pain at all.
The red spots were warm for one day but not really hot or anything and i checked my temp and was normal.
I just chalked up the warmth to the fact that it was red and puffy so extra blood in the area.
I thought it might be an infection but then it got better over the weekend and is almost gone now and barely noticeable.
No red marks the first week and then was fine the second week until about Thursday evening when my right arm got puffy and red but not really itchy this was 8 full days after i shot right delt.

I have maybe had 2 drinks in the last 2 weeks.

So you saying if i drink then the alchohol is causing the redness?
If i dont drink then im just allergic to the EO?

[LonelyBedouin]

Alcohol contain ethanol and when your body metabolizes it one step is EO. So if you were allergic to EO I believe you would also be allergic to ethanol (IE the drinks you've had).

But I would assume its just a minor infection possibly? Again is it warm to the touch (the red area)?

[tiramisu]

alcohol allergy and eo allergy are not the same.
I am not allergic to alcohol and I am allergic to EO.

The allergic reaction to EO that I have includes a histamine reaction. flu like symptoms as well as local inflammation.

Symptoms are quickly reduced by otc anti-histamines.

[Dragon1911]

yes a little warm today but much better than last week.

[Dragon1911]

alcohol allergy and eo allergy are not the same.
I am not allergic to alcohol and I am allergic to EO.

The allergic reaction to EO that I have includes a histamine reaction. flu like symptoms as well as local inflammation.

Symptoms are quickly reduced by otc anti-histamines.

When i first noticed the red puffyness i took some benadryl and it seemed to help a little because it was puffy and the skin was tight in teh red area it started to get itchy around the red area but not on the actual red area itself. This is why i assume its an EO allergy and not an infection as once i noticed the redness i checked the other sites and tey had the same redness but not to the same degree as my right arm.

It seems to be getting better on its own and i will monitor and if its not completely gone soon then i will head over to the docs.

[LonelyBedouin]

alcohol allergy and eo allergy are not the same.
I am not allergic to alcohol and I am allergic to EO.

The allergic reaction to EO that I have includes a histamine reaction. flu like symptoms as well as local inflammation.

Symptoms are quickly reduced by otc anti-histamines.

I assumed they were as ethanol is metabolized by the body a intermediate step is EO

[tiramisu]

You don't say what it was you injected, what dosage, how many ml's and how often.

Irritation could be caused by so many things that jumping straight to EO allergy as a conclusion on a single injection is premature.

Having injected quite a few high dose test mixtures I've had plenty of inflamed injections, and too sore to workout injections that had nothing to do with allergy or infection.

In most cases the general advice was simply to "man up" or stop buying gear that is going to cause inflammation. I tried the first option for a while but after a few 4 or 5 months it got a little annoying and I went with second option.

Visibly red and itchy around the injection could be the result of a shallow injection or an infection or simply an inflammation reaction to the injection.

In 990/1000 cases it is simply inflammation. In 9 out 1000 cases it is probably an infection which might or might not become an abscess (scary as hell but happily quite infrequent) and in 1/1000 it's an allergic reaction.

Very few people are allergic to EO. I am. I think it's important enough that it needs to be on the ugl labels so that those of us who are can avoid it but for the vast majority of people it's a perfectly fine solvent for the hormones.

[tiramisu]

I assumed they were as ethanol is metabolized by the body a intermediate step is EO

It's a pretty good assumption. When I read up on EO I found very little in the literature that related to allergic reactions. Most everything I read had it as a safe and well tolerated solvent by most people and is commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry.

If not for the fact that I am allergic I would have guessed exactly the same as you.

[LonelyBedouin]

It's a pretty good assumption. When I read up on EO I found very little in the literature that related to allergic reactions. Most everything I read had it as a safe and well tolerated solvent by most people and is commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry.

If not for the fact that I am allergic I would have guessed exactly the same as you.

Yea, now Im actually quite curious as to why it doesnt cause a reaction. As a source in wiki from some publication (dont know how truthful it is) says that "Ethyl oleate is produced by the body during ethanol intoxication."

[Dragon1911]

Im pinning TestE 250mg/ml and Deca 300mg/ml 1/2cc of each EOD.
Im using 25g 1inch pins, swabbing the tops of the vials, swabbing the site, heating the barrel under hot water making sure only the barrel touches the water. Injecting around 30sec to 45sec per cc.
First week pinned right glute,left glute, left delt right delt.
Glute shots were painful but got through it after 4 days.
Delt shots were a little sore the day of but no issues after that.
Second week pinned right glute and left glute and then the day i was suposed to pin left delt is when i noticed the reaction on my right arm.

I then added in quads to see if it was just a shallow injection and give delts a break and pinned righ quad saturday and left quad today. Delts are next in rotation but need to figure this out before i get more reactions.

After noticing my right arm red and swollen i checked the other sites and right glute is fine but there was a red spot around my upper outter thigh lower glute area before i even pinned my quad. Left glute was red swollen under the injection area going a little down my leg.

Left delt was fine but now has a small red patch around the actual injection site.
Right delt is fine but right arm undereath the inection area is red but no longer swollen or tight.

All red areas are a litle warm to the touch but i have no fever or flu like symptoms and actually feel fine. If it wasnt for the redness i would not even care as the pain i can deal with but the red areas are what made me nervous.

[tiramisu]

Im pinning TestE 250mg/ml and Deca 300mg/ml 1/2cc of each EOD.
Im using 25g 1inch pins, swabbing the tops of the vials, swabbing the site, heating the barrel under hot water making sure only the barrel touches the water. Injecting around 30sec to 45sec per cc.
First week pinned right glute,left glute, left delt right delt.
Glute shots were painful but got through it after 4 days.
Delt shots were a little sore the day of but no issues after that.
Second week pinned right glute and left glute and then the day i was suposed to pin left delt is when i noticed the reaction on my right arm.

I then added in quads to see if it was just a shallow injection and give delts a break and pinned righ quad saturday and left quad today. Delts are next in rotation but need to figure this out before i get more reactions.

After noticing my right arm red and swollen i checked the other sites and right glute is fine but there was a red spot around my upper outter thigh lower glute area before i even pinned my quad. Left glute was red swollen under the injection area going a little down my leg.

Left delt was fine but now has a small red patch around the actual injection site.
Right delt is fine but right arm undereath the inection area is red but no longer swollen or tight.

All red areas are a litle warm to the touch but i have no fever or flu like symptoms and actually feel fine. If it wasnt for the redness i would not even care as the pain i can deal with but the red areas are what made me nervous.

Its probably just inflammation BUT Visibly red would make me nervous too. I would refilter the gear into sterile vials with a .2 micron whatman filter. I would seperate the test and deca injections and identify which is causing the issue. If it's contamination it could be either. If it's solvent related it's probably the deca as 250 mg/ml test is generally solvent free.

I'd also increase my total number of injection sites for eod injections add glutes or ventro-gluteal and then you get 12-14 days of healing between injections.

[tiramisu]

Yea, now Im actually quite curious as to why it doesnt cause a reaction. As a source in wiki from some publication (dont know how truthful it is) says that "Ethyl oleate is produced by the body during ethanol intoxication."

The difference may simply be oral vs. intra-muscular. I'm just guessing.

[tiramisu]

... If you still have inflammation after you have removed the possibility of contamination then you win the prize and you are probably allergic. Some guys would probably just ditch the gear and start again without filtering and testing but I'm both cheap and I like to know what/why something is causing me issues.

If you are then it's time to shop for different gear and toss the problem gear in the garbage. I would also contact my source and tell him what happened and why so that the lab can get the feedback. While there are lazy evil bastards out there, most UGL's try to provide sterile safe products and they want to know if someone has an issue with their gear. (I live in hope, but I still refilter before I inject it into my ass).

[Dragon1911]

Thanks man

[Dragon1911]

Im going to switch to a GSO based line and see how that goes.
Im still going to try filtering this gear and try once more both test and deca individually to narrow it right down just cause im curious.

The reason im leaning towards allergy is there is no pain, no lumps, no fever just redness like an irritation to the skin, and it seems to always be lower than the injection site so as the oil spreads the redness and puffiness starts and spreads with it. I will probably head to the docs tomorrow just incase.