Legal Supplement Help for NHL player

[pseclint]

Ok guys I am actually writing this more or less for a good buddy of mine. He plays in the NHL and they use the standards set by the World Anti-Doping agency...... and yes this guy plays by the rules and never waivers, he is a straight shooter........ anyway his 2 year contract is up at the end of this year so he needs a good year to get a nice payraise....... he is working out all summer with a strength coach but their trainers are actually not allowed to recommend any supplements but only diet advice which I found to be weird, anyway if you guys wanna give me a hand setting him up for some summer supps it would be greatly appreciated

Banned list is below, can be downloaded on bottom right side of page

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/World-Anti-Doping-Program/Sports-and-Anti-Doping-Organizations/International-Standards/Prohibited-List/

[dainbramaged]

I think anything by Rivalus is supposed to be on the up-and-up and quality ensured (tested to make sure there's no chance of any kind of positive on a drug test).

[pseclint]

I think anything by Rivalus is supposed to be on the up-and-up and quality ensured (tested to make sure there's no chance of any kind of positive on a drug test).

thanks! thats a good start!

[physique]

PVL is now a 100% certified company with the Olympic doping control. Only canadian company to boast this claim i believe.

[pseclint]

PVL is now a 100% certified company with the Olympic doping control. Only canadian company to boast this claim i believe.

This is good to know, he plays down in the States though and thats where he is doing all his training

[#8]

what kind of supp regimin is he looking for? weight gain? weight loss? endurance boost? strength boost?

what are his weaknesses? what are his strengths? having worked hand in hand with some of the best hockey camps for junior players in canada I have pretty extensive knowledge of supps that work very well for hockey players depending on their goals.

Also to consider: HGH? I know its not a "legal" supplement in terms of WADA usage, but as far as I know there is no reliable test to detect this in your system. I wont name any names obviously but I know of many professional athletes who use GH year round to attain the edge they are looking for. This doesnt even fall under performance enhancement IMO, more like leveling the playing field....

[natenator]

what kind of supp regimin is he looking for? weight gain? weight loss? endurance boost? strength boost?

what are his weaknesses? what are his strengths? having worked hand in hand with some of the best hockey camps for junior players in canada I have pretty extensive knowledge of supps that work very well for hockey players depending on their goals.

Also to consider: HGH? I know its not a "legal" supplement in terms of WADA usage, but as far as I know there is no reliable test to detect this in your system. I wont name any names obviously but I know of many professional athletes who use GH year round to attain the edge they are looking for. This doesnt even fall under performance enhancement IMO, more like leveling the playing field....
cheating is cheating and you are advocating cheating.

[#8]

^^ its hardly cheating when everyone is doing it and not getting caught. I am talking specifically about NHL players that I have come into contact with at one time or another. LOTS of guys are using GH. Thats just reality.

[pseclint]

This person will not use HGH, although like you said many of his competitors do use it he is very big on hard work and natural talent..... his role is an agitator, he is not out there to fight but does fight..... he is a grinder and needs a little more weight and strength, is weakness is def his bodyweight and strength......... a little speed and strength would be exactly what he needs

[natenator]

I agree lots are using it and getting away with using it but cheating means doing something which is against the rules. Just because everyone does it doesn't not make it cheating if its clearly against the rules.

[Ritch]

what`s with all this "guys who play pro sports and use drugs are pieces of shit?" If you were given the chance to make 10`s of millions of dollars to play your sport and use drugs, you would. Stop with the holyness. Please!

[pseclint]

I agree lots are using it and getting away with using it but cheating means doing something which is against the rules. Just because everyone does it doesn't not make it cheating if its clearly against the rules.

I know a lot of NHL players that also use HGH, some I know very well on a personal level...... it def has helped these guys with heal time, stength and conditioning..... I thought that these athletes were also tested for GH..... maybe not..... this guy however is not a fan, with such a busy schedule and flights off to everywhere I dont know how a person could keep a consistent GH schedule anyway..... they still must pass through airport security and they need 6 months to see any real benefit from the product anyway....

[Ritch]

^^^ Pro bodybuilders find a way when traveling. Surely they have secrets to use their stuff when they need to...

[natenator]

So you think its perfectly acceptable to advocate cheating or doing something which is against rules/policy if resulting in more money?

How about our politicians who take bribe money to push through the agenda's of their constituents? That ok too?

How about cops who take drugs and money in raids? Perfectly acceptable?

[pseclint]

^^^ Pro bodybuilders find a way when traveling. Surely they have secrets to use their stuff when they need to...

yea but probodybuilds have nothing to lose if they get caught...... these guys deal with million dollar contracts.......

[pseclint]

So you think its perfectly acceptable to advocate cheating or doing something which is against rules/policy if resulting in more money?

How about our politicians who take bribe money to push through the agenda's of their constituents? That ok too?

How about cops who take drugs and money in raids? Perfectly acceptable?

I agree with all the above statements, the Gulf on Mexico spill would not have happened if BP wasnt paying off all the right people......

Its a crooked and competitive world out there and unfortunately people do most things to benefit themselves

[Ritch]

How about our politicians who take bribe money to push through the agenda's of their constituents? That ok too?

How about cops who take drugs and money in raids? Perfectly acceptable?

Totally off topic. C`mon guys. We`re beyond the point of ever going back to a drug free state in today`s sports. I can`t believe the crap I`m reading here.

You guys ever hear what Victor Conte had to say about the olympic level? Basically these guys are allowed something like 3 strikes against them before being banned. These strikes are cleared every 4 years. That means they can use the drugs, get caught and still compete. And since many of these people make shit up of why they can`t be at a certain drug test (especially in remote places like Jamaica, they never get caught.

The system is made to for cheaters to succeed. Kinda sad yes. The same with criminals who get candy sentences for crimes.

The only way to eliminate drugs would be this: You get caught, it`s a lifetime ban. But then again they`re protected by a bunch of bullshit that will never allow this to happen.

[tiramisu]

Let's start with the basics if it works it's banned.

Lots and lots of eating and sleeping is definitely going to be on the list.

[natenator]

Totally off topic. C`mon guys. We`re beyond the point of ever going back to a drug free state in today`s sports. I can`t believe the crap I`m reading here.

You guys ever hear what Victor Conte had to say about the olympic level? Basically these guys are allowed something like 3 strikes against them before being banned. These strikes are cleared every 4 years. That means they can use the drugs, get caught and still compete. And since many of these people make shit up of why they can`t be at a certain drug test (especially in remote places like Jamaica, they never get caught.

The system is made to for cheaters to succeed. Kinda sad yes. The same with criminals who get candy sentences for crimes.

The only way to eliminate drugs would be this: You get caught, it`s a lifetime ban. But then again they`re protected by a bunch of bullshit that will never allow this to happen.
what I am saying is advocating someone cheat is not cool. If someone's own personal choice leads them to it then sobeit but Jersey was advocating cheating using the reasoning that everyone else was doing it. That may be true and if someone chooses to cheat that's on them.

I certainly would never advocate someone cheat. Thats not how I roll.

[Ritch]

I wouldn`t WANT to advocate someone to cheat... But what if someone comes to you and says, I`ve got these cheque drops someone and halotestin someone told me to take for 8 weeks before my competition. You know he`s gonna do it.

Wouldn`t you want to advise him on something a little more sane, lol! You`re then helping someone cheat without wanting to, but kinda looking out for the person at the same time.

Tough decision either way...

[Ritch]

yea but probodybuilds have nothing to lose if they get caught...... these guys deal with million dollar contracts.......

Craig Titus got caught. Look at him now! They have plenty to lose. Going to jail and losing all the size you`ve put on that took years and years while sacrificing a normal life seems like a lot to me!

[natenator]

Craig Titus got caught. Look at him now! They have plenty to lose. Going to jail and losing all the size you`ve put on that took years and years while sacrificing a normal life seems like a lot to me!
uhh titus killed someone!

[Ritch]

uhh titus killed someone!

I know, the guy was apparantly a nut case, I have no trouble believing that either. John Roman has repeatedly said he`s overheard Titus at the firehouse having lunch with some poor chap he just trained telling him how great nubain is... And guess who could get some for him?

Scum pieces of shit like that deserve nothing less than to be in jail.

[natenator]

I know, the guy was apparantly a nut case, I have no trouble believing that either. John Roman has repeatedly said he`s overheard Titus at the firehouse having lunch with some poor chap he just trained telling him how great nubain is... And guess who could get some for him?

Scum pieces of shit like that deserve nothing less than to be in jail.
the point was titus didn't get caught with gear whilst traveling. He got caught killing someone!

BIG friggin diifference lol

[Ritch]

the point was titus didn't get caught with gear whilst traveling. He got caught killing someone!

BIG friggin diifference lol

Big difference for sure. But a guy like Titus who admitedly was using "ice" it was only a matter of time before he got caught with steroids. Again... Acutally that would have served him better. If he were in jail because of steroids, he probably wouldn`t have killed someone and would be out now.

Then again, let`s keep the nubain out of the hands of as many poeple as possible...

[liquidfire]

Also to consider: HGH? I know its not a "legal" supplement in terms of WADA usage, but as far as I know there is no reliable test to detect this in your system. I wont name any names obviously but I know of many professional athletes who use GH year round to attain the edge they are looking for. This doesnt even fall under performance enhancement IMO, more like leveling the playing field....

Wrong, WADA has had reliable blood testing methods for GH since 2004.


http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources1/Q-and-A/Q-A-Human-Growth-Hormone/




As for what supps... I vote stick to the basics: whey, creatine, fish oils, sleep and food. IMO, the rest is all hype.

[tiramisu]

WADA's reliable test in 2004 was only good for athletes stupid enough to inject within about 24 hours of the test.

WADA's first conviction for HGH happened with a soccor player within the last year. I believe the have a new testing methodology for metabolites. I don't know how long they can tell if it has been in your system as WADA doesn't release information about their testing methods.

[#8]

If weight and strength is what he is looking for then get him into a training facility that specializes in olympic style training to boost his explosive power. I need not know what city he is in, but he can probably afford the best of the best when it comes to power strength coaching and nutritional advice.

Get him on a program that will assess his physical strengths / weaknesses as far as his core and legs are concerned. He might be able to drastically benefit from some proper coaching on how to boost his posterior chain strength as an example.

Some supps I always found to be of good benefit when playing hockey and weight training specifically were kre-alkaline creatine, omega 3, zma/melatonin (or both), amino acid + carbohydrate replenishers during and post workout (including practices and lifting).

Obviously the basic protein, multi, and greens on top of that but I feel like thats a given for pretty much anyone.

Seriously though I think he should have a sit down with a very in the know strength athlete with a minimum masters in physiology/kinesiology to assess what parts of his body need to be improved for strength and speed.

Good luck.

[tiramisu]

... rugby
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE61M5ID20100223

[Ritch]

Considereing how safe and it`s potential to reduce lactic acid, I`d try some beta alanine as well...

[pseclint]

Considereing how safe and it`s potential to reduce lactic acid, I`d try some beta alanine as well...

i believe Beta alanine is banned

Good posts though fellas great work

[Sean Summers]

All American EFX and Rivalus are the only 2 I know. PVL may be also as Physique has stated.
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