which injectable gives you the best strentgh gains on cycle??

[MMASTAR]

Just like it says, which compound gives you the best strength gains?? I know var gives great strength gains but dont want to mees around with taking pills 2-3 times a day, is there any injectable that provides good strentgh gains and can be pinned twice a week??

[guest]

tren. not suitable for mma though. also, not an injectable but you may want to look at halotestin.

[MMASTAR]

i have looked at halo as a preworkout of sorts..lol.. i think its a little harsh on the liver for me but i definetly like the sounds of it... i wonder about using it as a pre workout on lifting days only...hmm...

[MMASTAR]

also, doesnt have to be MMA applicable as my team takes a couple months "off" in the summer to chill a bit... so im concentrating on my lifting...

[Solo59]

Tren enanthate, twice a week inject. Takes about 3 full weeks for its physical effects to begin to show. (You could begin with Tren ace daily injects of about 50 mg for the first three weeks, but toward the end the two Trens may overlap & cause beastly sides. Tren is best run with at least a little Test. Nothing compares with Tren for strength gains.

Solo

[tiramisu]

I've done a fair bit of tren and it's quite effective but I don't know whether I'd pick it for strength. I'd probably look at dbol or anadrol with test and deca. Tren's great for strength without bloat but if I was looking for the most strength then bloat helps.

[MMASTAR]

dont know to much about tren other than it leans you out and has some terrible sides... not sure if im ready to jump into that yet, lots of people say start with the acetate so you can quit if the sides get to bad and to have caber on hand, what else is good for tren sides and what is a good starting dosage? i would rather pin 2 times a week then ed to be honest...

[tiramisu]

acetate is best ed and 50-75 mg 'ish. night sweats and aggression are pretty much unavoidable.

[Rrrrolla]

TRen is the most amazing stuff for strength. The sides arent all that bad. Givce it a whirl. It keeps water in the muscles like its nobodys business and just gives a great look for the summer. Shit, not I wanna jump back on it...

[Memo]

how would 100mg of tren a week do on top of 400test? I work with the public I have to make sure I dont kill anybody.

[tiramisu]

100mg/week of tren is pretty useless. With tren the good and bad go together. You might be better off considering the nandrolones if you aren't partial to sweating or aggression. NPP isn't quite as bloaty as deca and nandrolone really is very effective without the sweats or aggression.

[cog]

Didn't some expert on MMA and androgens get quoted here that 20mg ace ED was the max without affecting cardio?Or was it EOD?

[Memo]

Didn't some expert on MMA and androgens get quoted here that 20mg ace ED was the max without affecting cardio?Or was it EOD?

i know that 450deca a week and my cardio was not affected a bit, surprisingly.

[guest]

tren is reputed to **** your cardio. it did for me and some others i know. but you might be different.

some others will say it didnt have negative effects on them cardio wise....but you and i both know bodybuilding cardio on a treadmill is a little different than mma endurance.

[L3]

tren will make ur BP and heart rate shoot sky high, esp when doing cardio

[#8]

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[guest]

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[MMASTAR]

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[evoke]

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as for topic, i'd go with tren.

[bigtavi8]

Tren Obvs here but your in MMA and your cardio capacity is important so im not sure. I know some ppl expierenced cardio declines with tren but i know some who have not. So for the gain in strength, aggression to taKE a very slight hit in cardio capacity may be worth it if you weigh the positive-negatives. But the sides suck ass. Dont try to sleep and if ya do plan on using 6 fans and changing sheets EOD. LOL. for some ppl at least.

[cog]

dont know to much about tren other than it leans you out and has some terrible sides... not sure if im ready to jump into that yet, lots of people say start with the acetate so you can quit if the sides get to bad and to have caber on hand, what else is good for tren sides and what is a good starting dosage? i would rather pin 2 times a week then ed to be honest...

You could use 20 mg ace EOD sub-q and see how it affects your cardio.Even that small amount will give strength gains.Shouldn't be any appreciable sides at that dosage,maybe acne if you're prone.

[MMASTAR]

is shooting tren sub q common??

[Kilburn]

Just like it says, which compound gives you the best strength gains?? I know var gives great strength gains but dont want to mees around with taking pills 2-3 times a day, is there any injectable that provides good strentgh gains and can be pinned twice a week??

most will say tren. i dont agree. on tren i cant sleep and i get an overall shitty burnt out feeling.

id probably say anadrol or m1t gives the best strength. if you want injectable id say test prop, npp and masteron is very nice.

[ironwill]

Test suspension, is one of the best for strength gains, and injectible...IMo, i personally love.. 375 mgs of npp, 375 mgs of test e /week, and 30 mg of dbol/day, wow.....

[OntariOMuscle101]

IMO Tren Acetate or Testosterone suspension like ironwill said......

[cog]

is shooting tren sub q common??

There was a thread here asking about slin pins and tren.20 mg is quite easy and near painless.You can of course mix it in with your test some of the time as well.That amount should not affect your sleep.You might be slightly warmer.Suspension works very well just prior to a balls to the wall workout.Npp might be better for you,every three days.

[GYMBRAT]

TREN all the way

[rated_rko]

tren again!

[Solo59]

And Tren a third time, but I still think the longer ester of Tren enanthate lessens the severity of possible sides. However, if you did get them, you'd have to wait several weeks while they slowly subside.

You could begin Tren enanthate at 200 mg per week and see how you feel after three weeks. If it's all positive then go up to 300 mg (along with your Test e or cyp, of course).

Tren affects everyone differently and it affects individuals differently over time. I am running 400 mg/wk (2 cc) of Tren e right now (along with 2 cc of EquiTest). I'm in week five and I have had no night sweats, no sleeplessness (but I will take something to sleep if I need to), and my cardio endurance has been steadily improving. Amazingly, all joints, including rotator cuff, have eased up & are now working smoothly. I'm still horny as a goat in a sheep herd, too, but I do admit once I get angry it takes a while to calm myself back down. On the other hand, I don't usually get angry because few people **** with me. It is definitely the real thing, as my body is as lean & hard as it's ever been, even with somewhat irregular workouts.

If you want strength gains and you've never run Tren, you owe it to yourself to find out what all the talk is about. It goes w/o saying that you should be cautious (such as my above suggestion), but many of us run Tren and do not feel we've let an evil demon out of the bottle or that our hearts are beating too fast to breathe.

Respects,
Solo

[Chaps]

tren or masteron gave me the most strength out of injectables i've used, 300-400mg tren or 500-600mg masteron

[dremen]

If u can find a test susp/tren susp combo BUY IN BULK my friend:D

[tiramisu]

Lot's of vote for tren but I still prefer test/nandrolone/dbol

[Victor85]

When looking for retarded levels of strength, I stick to NPP, shit load of Test cyp or enan, and Tren ace. I sometimes throw Equipoise in the mix.

[riccosuabe]

tren is awesome but it affects people in many different ways,mma i deffo wouldnt.i did mma many years ago and i was really fit and after taking tren it just killed my cardio and took ages after to come back.i only use tren in the off season now as i dont do cardio and i still get out of breath walking stairs haha! but for strength and drive its brilliant,mix it with some sus and your on fire!!!

[juced_porkchop]

TREN!

I like this cycle for mass and power:

TrenE 300-400mg ew wk1-11
Test 800mg ew wk1-114
provirion 50mg ed wk1-13
Dbol wk wk1-6 at 30-50mg