Treating gyno.

[Memo]

Last week, I started to feel a lump under my nipple. I dropped everything except 300mg/week of test e. I started to take 10mg/day of nolva & 12.5mg/day of aromasin.

Am I doing the right thing, is this too much or not enough. To be honest I did not see too much change, it does feel a little smaller, but it is still sensitive.

How long before stop to be sensitive usually?

[gicantor]

I'm suprised your getting gyno at such a low dose. 12.5mg is fine I would double the nolva IMO.

And as far as I know nothing shrinks gyno. I've read about people CLAIMING heavy doses of letro shrunk their gyno... but from what I understand once its there it needs to be surgically removed.

Not sure on the sensitvity.

[Memo]

I'm suprised your getting gyno at such a low dose. 12.5mg is fine I would double the nolva IMO.

And as far as I know nothing shrinks gyno. I've read about people CLAIMING heavy doses of letro shrunk their gyno... but from what I understand once its there it needs to be surgically removed.

Not sure on the sensitvity.

I was taking Deca at 450mg/week before the gyno started.

[gicantor]

I was taking Deca at 450mg/week before the gyno started.

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[flapjack]

I'm suprised your getting gyno at such a low dose. 12.5mg is fine I would double the nolva IMO.

And as far as I know nothing shrinks gyno. I've read about people CLAIMING heavy doses of letro shrunk their gyno... but from what I understand once its there it needs to be surgically removed.

Not sure on the sensitvity.

Well, I can tell you for sure that Letro shunk my Gyno. It was getting large and painful from DBol and letro made it amost disappear.

I don't remember the dose, but it was fairly low...and for 2 weeks i believe. It was fast.

[PdH]

12.5mg is fine I would double the nolva IMO.

Agreed, double up that nolva.

[MMASTAR]

have seen a few threads about people using letro to shrink there gyno with sucsess...

[z83]

letro is awesome

[Dragon1911]

OP do you know if the gyno is Deca(progestin) related?
If so that could help determine what ancillaries to take.

[whofarzed]

I always get lumps on test. I don't worry too much about it anymore as they always go away after the cycle. I do however try to keep it under control. An anti-aromatase and nolva should be good.

I started my present cycle at only 350mg of test prop a week. I figured I could get away with not running any anti-estrogens. However, I was wrong. Lumps started to form. I have been taking arimidex and nolva (yes I know they are supposed to make each other less effective). However, now the lumps are pretty much gone.

Also, even when off cycle I get lumps once in a while (body is messed up from cycling). I was off for 3 years. My nipples would be fine for months then all of a sudden lumps would start. 2 weeks of nolva and then they would be fine for months again. I don't think it's just high estrogen that causes the mammary glands to grow, but also an imbalance of hormones. Anyways, surgery is not the only option! Your body tissues are always replacing themselves.

[GYMBRAT]

I'm suprised your getting gyno at such a low dose. 12.5mg is fine I would double the nolva IMO.

And as far as I know nothing shrinks gyno. I've read about people CLAIMING heavy doses of letro shrunk their gyno... but from what I understand once its there it needs to be surgically removed.

Not sure on the sensitvity.

I agree 100% with gicantor, once ya have it you don't get rid of it without surgery. Double up on the nolva as it works for me at least.

good luck mang

[Memo]

so do you guys stay on auxiliaries until PCT or just for a couple weeks?

[GYMBRAT]

I get on them when symptoms arise and get off them when all symptoms are gone

[vakker]

I am the same way, run it when there is problems, dont when there isnt. I found HCG fixes all of my issues, but thats very YMMV

[Memo]

I am the same way, run it when there is problems, dont when there isnt. I found HCG fixes all of my issues, but thats very YMMV

I was sure hcg could give gyno since it aromatize

[GYMBRAT]

It has been known to you bet, Nolva FTW ;)

[cog]

Memo was also saying that his libido was through the roof with that deca...

[Memo]

Memo was also saying that his libido was through the roof with that deca...
it was really weird since i could never finish while having sex. Now i am only on 300mg/week of test. My sex drive is really high again but I don't have my superpower anymore. I really liked that deca.

[revolution187]

I am the same way, run it when there is problems, dont when there isnt. I found HCG fixes all of my issues, but thats very YMMV

hey vakker. are u saying hcg can help with gyno? how much are u using? how often? and what does ymmv mean?

[cog]

it was really weird since i could never finish while having sex. Now i am only on 300mg/week of test. My sex drive is really high again but I don't have my superpower anymore. I really liked that deca.

A touch seems to be good for bone density.:)

[riccosuabe]

it still confuses me as to why people dont take a serm anyway while running a cycle thats going to aromatise??i take 20mg nolva everyday regardless and ive never and i mean never had any sides.its cheap as hell so take it anyway,small price to pay to never have bitch tits!!

[riccosuabe]

Memo was also saying that his libido was through the roof with that deca...

must have been on test aswell because deca is notorious for impotence,the name deca dick didnt come from knowhere

[Dragon1911]

it still confuses me as to why people dont take a serm anyway while running a cycle thats going to aromatise??i take 20mg nolva everyday regardless and ive never and i mean never had any sides.its cheap as hell so take it anyway,small price to pay to never have bitch tits!!

Riccosuabe dont you think taking a SERM while on will hinder gains from a cycle? Should you have them on hand incase and take as needed?

[riccosuabe]

Riccosuabe dont you think taking a SERM while on will hinder gains from a cycle? Should you have them on hand incase and take as needed?

my coach told me from day one to use them so i did as i trust him to the max and i never read into gear i let him do that for me and i would say its never hurt my gains.BUT i could be wrong,like i said i trust someone with all that info

[riccosuabe]

just did a quick search on steroid.com and found this,i think it can help but can hinder

Nolvadex, however, is not the most potent ancillary compound we can use on a cycle, but it is probably the safest considering it doesn´t actually reduce estrogen in your body keeping some estrogen floating around could have many benefits on muscle growth, as well. Estrogen is also important for a properly functioning immune system, and not only that, but your lipid profile (both HDL and LDL) should also show marked improvement with administration of tamoxifen (4). Many bodybuilders actually use this stuff during their cycle for the health benefits provided by it. If, however, you are preparing for a bodybuilding contest, you need to use something which will suck most (if not all) of the estrogen out of your body. I am speculating that you may be able to use Nolvadex for the majority of a contest prep cycle, to keep yourself relatively healthy, and then switch over to Letrozole for the last 8 weeks.

Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone, LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks.

Some of the more harsh ancillary compounds available today will give you a more "dry" look that nolvadex can´t, but nolvadex is simply safer to use in long (over 16 week) cycles.

Nolvadex Side Effects

Unfortunately, Nolvadex isn´t perfect. Anecdotally, it has been linked to reduced gains in some bodybuilders. This isn´t due, as previously thought, to its reducing estrogen levels (which it doesn´t), but rather to it´s ability to possibly reduce IGF (Insulin-like-Growth-Factor) levels, which are important for muscle growth.

[Dragon1911]

Good find

[vakker]

hey vakker. are u saying hcg can help with gyno? how much are u using? how often? and what does ymmv mean?

no, i'm saying it has helped me prevent gyno sides from test, just seems to balance out whatever gets out of whack from test. I use 500mcg twice a week and its been solid.

YMMV, your milage may vary.