Some huge weak ass dudes...

[#8]

The more I catch other people lifting, the more I am disappointed. I dont try and stare and watch other dudes lift stuff, but sometimes I just cant help it. I see A LOT of guys that are physically bigger than me (measurements wise), that are simply not as strong as I am, and not even really that strong in general IMO.

Some of the guys I am referring to are pretty big and ripped. To look at them you would think they could lift a lot more than they actually do. I realize bodybuilding really has little to do with being the strongest person in the room competition wise, but I still wonder how some of these guys (who are obviously well over 220 lean) get to be that big with lifts that are pretty shit (comparitively)....?

[tiramisu]

Some guys are luckier in the genetics department but generally big and strong are pretty closely linked.

Most people don't pull 1RM's every time they go into the gym.

[#8]

^^ ya i get that.

I wish I could film this one guy though. No joke, this guy is pretty effing big. 6'2 prolly 220-230 lean as ****.

He lifts the gayest weight ive ever seen and spends at least 3/4 of the time he is there on his cell phone. I swear he must have some other gym he goes to where he does real workouts or something.

Never seen him train legs though. But thats most people at premier....lol

[pw154]

Meh... some guys can get huge by mowing lawns. He might be a genetic freak.

[Houstonbc]

mind muscle connection and injuries....toney freeman has gone on record saying he doesnt need to arm curl much heavier than 35lb dumbells and he has some pretty sick gunz

[faller]

mind muscle connection and injuries....

There's something to be said for that, i haven't done any direct bi work in 4 years now, not saying i have huge guns but my bi's are still in proportion to the rest of my body.

[MMASTAR]

The other day i looked over at this kid on the bench, he was obviously new to the gym and lifting. He was not one of the scrony kids you see starting out, he looked kinda athletic and bulky, not a skinny twirp or anything. I looked back over couple minutes later to see him stuck under the bar on the bench press, so i went over and lifted it off his chest, he thanked me. He was only benching 85 pounds, he had 2 10's on each side... WTF?! I think the first time i touched a bench when i was like 20 years old i was benching like at least 150 pounds... to see a guy stuck under 85 pounds was shocking to me.

[natenator]

One also needs to take into account age. I am nowhere near as strong as I was when I was 18-23 and I was clean then. Granted, different training style in that back then I was geared towards strength specifically and now I am geared towards hypertrophy.

There will always be someone bigger and stronger than me. I've resigned myself to that fact. Oly lifters do not have as much muscle as I but I know they can lift a lot more than I can - especially true if you consider their body weight to weight being lifted ratio's.

I focus on me and care about me. If one is making progress in their desired goal then it really doesn't matter :)

[Big D]

I see that often, but you always have to think. age is a factor, they might have an injury, or maybe off cycle and training in the higher rep range?

there's an older guy at the gym in his 50's and hes around 5'6" weighs around 220, and very lean. you would think hes pretty strong and i've never seen him lift anything heavier then my warm up.

[drdnj]

One also needs to take into account age. I am nowhere near as strong as I was when I was 18-23 and I was clean then. Granted, different training style in that back then I was geared towards strength specifically and now I am geared towards hypertrophy.

There will always be someone bigger and stronger than me. I've resigned myself to that fact. Oly lifters do not have as much muscle as I but I know they can lift a lot more than I can - especially true if you consider their body weight to weight being lifted ratio's.

I focus on me and care about me. If one is making progress in their desired goal then it really doesn't matter :)

Nate, I echo your thoughts....

At 18-19yrs old I worked for my Dad in his automotive machine shop and used to carry 350 Chevy engines off the truck and into the shop---I was a lightweight competitive bodybuilder. Now I am 37 and light heavy weight, 2 biceps surgeries and 4 knee reconstructions later----I wouldn't even try to lift an engine.
I am sure there are a ton of 21yr old guys that are 60lbs lighter than me and lifting heavier---- I just lift smarter (wise old man)

D

[evoke]

I've reduced my squat weight by about 40%, just because I injured my knee recently.
I think a lot of people in my gym are afraid of injuries too, therefore they use smaller weights.

[GYMBRAT]

^^^As I get older, that is my issue 100%...seems as now the harder/heavier I push now days means the longer time I have to take off because of injuries. So of course this is counter productive, and now push hard but not quite as hard :)

[L3]

I think a lot of people in my gym are afraid of injuries too, therefore they use smaller weights.


i recently had to take a few days off cause i tweaked my wrist... man that was painful, moreso cause i had to miss arm day :(

[tiramisu]

I like to lift much heavier than I necessarily need to. The new Wendler 5-3-1 program has things under control again but I was starting to tear myself up on DC after 10 months. The big muscle strength outpaced the little muscles and tendons and things started hurting.

I'm currently doing a deload week and the weights I'm lifting are almost embarassing.

[tiramisu]

Nate, I echo your thoughts....

At 18-19yrs old I worked for my Dad in his automotive machine shop and used to carry 350 Chevy engines off the truck and into the shop---I was a lightweight competitive bodybuilder. Now I am 37 and light heavy weight, 2 biceps surgeries and 4 knee reconstructions later----I wouldn't even try to lift an engine.
I am sure there are a ton of 21yr old guys that are 60lbs lighter than me and lifting heavier---- I just lift smarter (wise old man)

D

I find this odd. At 43 I am the strongest I have ever been. I don't think youth is an advantage in the strength sports.

[GYMBRAT]

thats why there is the saying "old man strength" it was invented for a reason ;)

[natenator]

thats why there is the saying "old man strength" it was invented for a reason ;)
Has zilch to do with strength. Has to do with recognizig recovery is poor and injury factor is high.

For those of us who've experience sets backs due to injury that kept us out of the game for any legth of time will always prefe caution over ego.

[natenator]

I find this odd. At 43 I am the strongest I have ever been. I don't think youth is an advantage in the strength sports.
Perhaps you were just a pussy when you were younger?

I could squat over 500 for reps when I was 20. Doubt I could do 405 FOR 10 these dAys

[drdnj]

I find this odd. At 43 I am the strongest I have ever been. I don't think youth is an advantage in the strength sports.

Hey--here's to you! But being the strongest you have ever been at 43 does not necessarily imply that you are strong or ever were---it is all relative.
I have been bodybuilding since I was 14 and have 7 yrs of professional motocross under my belt-- trust me this can screw anyones body up....I am paying for those injuries now and I would like to keep my physique without ending up in surgery every other year. I enjoy bodybuilding, it is not a game of being the strongest you have ever been.

[tiramisu]

At 23 I was younger, healthier and fitter but unable to break 185. I would consume obscene amounts of food with little or no impact to my weight. While I healed fast and had plenty of energy it simply wasn't practical for me to put on significant muscle till I was well into my 30's. Much of this is simply because I can now gain weight on 4000 calories a day.

... and yes it is all relative.. but I am talking about me so it's relevant. At 43 I am stronger than I was in my youth. During both periods I lifted weights progressively. At 43 strength development is more effective than at 23. I think 33 would be that much better than 43 but your teen's / twenty's is not a peak for strength sports. I'd personally be guessing around mid-30's and competitive bodybuilders appear to be hitting their best in their late 30's.

[GYMBRAT]

Has zilch to do with strength. Has to do with recognizig recovery is poor and injury factor is high.

For those of us who've experience sets backs due to injury that kept us out of the game for any legth of time will always prefe caution over ego.

yeah ok, and also I have been through it all so whats ur point??? mr. know it all! :beat

[GYMBRAT]

Perhaps you were just a pussy when you were younger?

I could squat over 500 for reps when I was 20. Doubt I could do 405 FOR 10 these dAys

**** ur a mouth piece dude!!!

ur lucky you have the comfort of sittin behind a puter for safety FORE REAL!!!!

[#8]

some of you guys are getting what im saying but most arent.

thats cool.

i get that people have injuries, and i get that not everyone goes balls out all the time.

but how does one maintain such a large amount of muscle with such a shitty amount of resistance? is it that easy to keep once you have attained it? im pretty sure most of these guys are just gassed to the tits, as i can tell when someone is on gear, and probably never come off.

[tiramisu]

They picked their parents better than you did.

[hommes]

too funny T

[baza]

Form, mind/muscle, and genetics.

[tiramisu]

skip the form and the mind/muscle and you've got it :)

[natenator]

At 23 I was younger, healthier and fitter but unable to break 185. I would consume obscene amounts of food with little or no impact to my weight. While I healed fast and had plenty of energy it simply wasn't practical for me to put on significant muscle till I was well into my 30's. Much of this is simply because I can now gain weight on 4000 calories a day.

... and yes it is all relative.. but I am talking about me so it's relevant. At 43 I am stronger than I was in my youth. During both periods I lifted weights progressively. At 43 strength development is more effective than at 23. I think 33 would be that much better than 43 but your teen's / twenty's is not a peak for strength sports. I'd personally be guessing around mid-30's and competitive bodybuilders appear to be hitting their best in their late 30's.
Curious: were you using AAS back then?

[natenator]

**** ur a mouth piece dude!!!

ur lucky you have the comfort of sittin behind a puter for safety FORE REAL!!!!
Someone disagrees with your line of thinking and you make threats suggesting they are lucky they are behind a computer screen?

That's pretty childish.

As for mouthpiece... where have you been? lol Thankfully I have knowledge and experience which backs up my mouth.

[ironwill]

Perhaps you were just a pussy when you were younger?

I could squat over 500 for reps when I was 20. Doubt I could do 405 FOR 10 these dAys

Well, im damn near 40 and still doing over 500 for reps.....lets all brag a bit....its fun.....:D 405 is my second set, time to pick it up a notch nater!!!!

[natenator]

yeah ok, and also I have been through it all so whats ur point??? mr. know it all! :beat
My point is I disagree with your idea of old man strength. I am not stronger than I was 10 years ago due to a multiple of reasons already discussed in this thread.

Many I know would also say that are not stronger than they were 10 years ago either.

Now perhaps in a perfect world where I had no injuries and recovery ability was identical to when I was in my early 20's I'd likely agree with you that I'd be stronger in my early 30's than in my 20's.

[natenator]

Well, im damn near 40 and still doing over 500 for reps.....lets all brag a bit....its fun.....:D 405 is my second set, time to pick it up a notch nater!!!!
3 knee tears; a herniated disc and a broken neck later I'm perfectly fine with my decreased strength :)

Besides, my leg size hasn't seemed to have suffered.

[ironwill]

One also needs to take into account age. I am nowhere near as strong as I was when I was 18-23 and I was clean then. Granted, different training style in that back then I was geared towards strength specifically and now I am geared towards hypertrophy.

There will always be someone bigger and stronger than me. I've resigned myself to that fact. Oly lifters do not have as much muscle as I but I know they can lift a lot more than I can - especially true if you consider their body weight to weight being lifted ratio's.

I focus on me and care about me. If one is making progress in their desired goal then it really doesn't matter :)

Thats some bs, youre in your early 30s, no way you are over the hill for bbing...Thats ludicrous....

[natenator]

Thats some bs, youre in your early 30s, no way you are over the hill for bbing...Thats ludicrous....
Uhh I didn't say I was over the hill for BBing. I can still make great gains without needing to be as strong as I used to be.

There are many ways to skin a cat.

[ironwill]

Nate, are you making excuses???Seriously, i think you have great potential for bbing, you need to get on it and stay with a program that suits you personally, and get stronger slowly.....But i hear excuses in your posts , thats how im perceiving it.....Get at it, train, and do a show.....You will do great, but quit with the silly talk of all the injuries etc......Damn i wish i was your age again....lol

[Delt King]

You guys are funny^^^

Anyways most people who see me in precontest mode would say i'm weak too. As soon as i restrict a bit of carbs my weights tumble badly, but the reality is i'm a bodybuilder and you're not judged by how much your bench is when you're standing on stage.

Now offseason, that's when the fun stuff weights wise happens (as long as i don't tear anything that is)

[natenator]

Nate, are you making excuses???Seriously, i think you have great potential for bbing, you need to get on it and stay with a program that suits you personally, and get stronger slowly.....But i hear excuses in your posts , thats how im perceiving it.....Get at it, train, and do a show.....You will do great, but quit with the silly talk of all the injuries etc......Damn i wish i was your age again....lol
You must be reading impaired today or just looking to start shit so I will let your silly little digs go :)

I don't see excuses. I see reality. I cannot train like I used to. I'm finding ways to train smarter and still make solid gains but hey if you think those are excuses then that's perfectly fine by me.

BTW: By suggesting that I'm making excuses you're also suggesting that Gymbrat and drdnj are making excuses as well:


^^^As I get older, that is my issue 100%...seems as now the harder/heavier I push now days means the longer time I have to take off because of injuries. So of course this is counter productive, and now push hard but not quite as hard :)


Nate, I echo your thoughts....

At 18-19yrs old I worked for my Dad in his automotive machine shop and used to carry 350 Chevy engines off the truck and into the shop---I was a lightweight competitive bodybuilder. Now I am 37 and light heavy weight, 2 biceps surgeries and 4 knee reconstructions later----I wouldn't even try to lift an engine.
I am sure there are a ton of 21yr old guys that are 60lbs lighter than me and lifting heavier---- I just lift smarter (wise old man)

D

[ironwill]

Funny, funny like a clown, do i amuse you, is that what im here for to amuse you!!!...lolol... I think that was that lil bugger from the goodfellas, i forget his name, but love the lines..

Anyways, As far as strength goes, thats what off season is all about, getting stronger, then muscle follows, and then maintain, then do contest cutter...
Its all about planning, we cant make it downtown , at least i know i cant, with out a plan.....Plan it out, and dont go for a maniac lift because we feel like we should...I have good days and beat my log and then once in awhile go for a 3 rep max....I never do 1 rep maxes...It almost seems like the common denominator in guys that are always sore is the 1 rep max.....Dont do it, resist the temptation, if i cant do something at least 2 reps with a proper warm up, i stay away, and i am happy to say, great joints and great muscle function and feel......I have broke my back L-5, and had neck spasms, pulled muscles and injuries from car wrecks, and contact sports...I rehabbed myself and no issues yet......

[ironwill]

You must be reading impaired today or just looking to start shit so I will let your silly little digs go :)

I don't see excuses. I see reality. I cannot train like I used to. I'm finding ways to train smarter and still make solid gains but hey if you think those are excuses then that's perfectly fine by me.

BTW: By suggesting that I'm making excuses you're also suggesting that Gymbrat and drdnj are making excuses as well:

OOOOOhhhhh, im not talking about those 2 cats ......Im talking to you as you are the guy always cracking down on folks and expressing your great vast knowledge and all this experience compared to everyone else, yet you NEVER back it up, i find this strange....
Great respect for GB and Dr. but they dont throw around the great experience card or preach to us regularily...You are funny, you argue with a guy, then try and bring them to your side by quoting them in your post and make me the bad guy...We figured you out long ago dude, your shit dont work....haha, but think what you will...Thats all that matters......bazinga....!!!;)

[L3]

this thread is way more entertaining than my work

:popc

[JonnyO]

I'll say as well, that I was a lot stronger in my early 20's than I am now, and at points naturally stronger too! I also played football then. But I am a hell of a lot muscularly larger now than I was then, and thats all I really care about. Has been that way for a long, long time now and one of the reasons I have been injury free...well free from injury in the gym that is. I've never had a major or even a really close call in the gym because I train with my mind not my ego.

I always tell guys I train, when they get their workout program from me, that a lot of the younger guys at the gym prolly get a kick out of some of the weights I use in the gym. But they have a long ways to go to get as big as me.

I think a lot of guys who are stronger are afraid to train any differently because of the rush and possibly the attention they get when pushing a lot of weight, people looking at them, etc, etc. When they try a different training style, say higher volume, TUT etc, their weights may go down from what they were using before, and to them makes them feel as if they arent training as hard because they arent pushing those huge weights.

My training partner was just like that, in the frame of mind he needed to push heavy weight regardless of form and all that. After changing his way of thinking finally he's now bigger than he's ever been, he has no nagging injuries anymore.

Also a note, the last few shows I tended to slack off a bit and didnt train as heavy as I was able to at the time...thsi was a mistake and I believe I lost size doing this. So for now on myself and anyone I train, I suggest keeping your strenght up as long as you can as the contest nears so you dont lose size.

And Nate whats gotten these guys all pissed at you was your unecessary comment that T was a pussy when he was younger...comments like thats not needed.

[natenator]

And Nate whats gotten these guys all pissed at you was your unecessary comment that T was a pussy when he was younger...comments like thats not needed.

Point taken :)

It was actually meant in jest and not as an actual insult. We all have times where we've pussied out by not training as hard as we could. Usually happens in the beginning of our training careers. I am no different and thankfully got with a bunch of guys not long after I started that taught me to be better I had to challenge myself to be better.

Side note: (and as you mentioned) challenging ones self to be better through strength alone is not the only way. As you mentioned, high volume, TUT are 2 great ways to really develop the muscle.

[cog]

Hey Nate,did you break your neck,or did somebody else....just kidding,I agree with Nate and Jonny,gotta work with what you have,no fun living crippled...

[natenator]

Hey Nate,did you break your neck,or did somebody else....just kidding,I agree with Nate and Jonny,gotta work with what you have,no fun living crippled...
he he he. Just mine

[ironwill]

Preventive is the key, dont succumb to pressure or ego, lift whats comfortable and do your best, try and use good form and focus on negatives......The big lifts that hurt, dont go balls out...JO makes great points...Stay away from 1 rep maxes.....Once youre hurt, it takes a long time to get over the injury and a good chance it will reoccur.....Stay healthy and you can lift as heavy as you are able for many, many yrs!!!
John meadows has some great TUT and hi volume stuff i was doing and it worked real well, not as heavy as DC stuff, but it worked like a hot damn, nice switch from DC style....

[cog]

Preventive is the key, dont succumb to pressure or ego, lift whats comfortable and do your best, try and use good form and focus on negatives......The big lifts that hurt, dont go balls out...JO makes great points...Stay away from 1 rep maxes.....Once youre hurt, it takes a long time to get over the injury and a good chance it will reoccur.....Stay healthy and you can lift as heavy as you are able for many, many yrs!!!
John meadows has some great TUT and hi volume stuff i was doing and it worked real well, not as heavy as DC stuff, but it worked like a hot damn, nice switch from DC style....

That's good advice...now if we could always just keep our balls in our back pockets....

[L3]

That's good advice...now if we could always just keep our balls in our back pockets....

but then where would we keep our wallets?

[natenator]

but then where would we keep our wallets?
front pocket to make the pipe look bigger.

Come on man!

[tiramisu]

This thread is fun. How many posters are doing tren on their spring cycles?

[natenator]

This thread is fun. How many posters are doing tren on their spring cycles?
no tren here :) I haven't touched it in a few years!

[GYMBRAT]

Someone disagrees with your line of thinking and you make threats suggesting they are lucky they are behind a computer screen?

That's pretty childish.

As for mouthpiece... where have you been? lol Thankfully I have knowledge and experience which backs up my mouth.

I have respect for bud but no fkn need to dissagree wit everything that everyone has to say....besides the "oldman" strength saying is just that, a saying! come on now, and no threats here just got a lil pissed and I appolagize for that and that only ;)

as for childish lol look back on some of youre post my friend...(not saying mine have been any better at times)

[GYMBRAT]

This thread is fun. How many posters are doing tren on their spring cycles?

oh umm me but just a tiny bit ;) :hu

[ironwill]

This thread is fun. How many posters are doing tren on their spring cycles?

lol, there hasnt been a bit of a ruckus on here for awhile, good for the soul sometimes:hu....tren sucks......Now NPP on the other hand....

[GYMBRAT]

lol, there hasnt been a bit of a ruckus on here for awhile, good for the soul sometimes:hu....tren sucks......Now NPP on the other hand....

I forgive and forget within 2 minutes, and it is good for the soul!

BUT tren rulz!!

[ironwill]

ME too, ive actually only been pissed on the board for real maybe 3 times since ive been here.....otherwise its just banter/fun etc....,
I must say its the first time i saw you snap on a forum, thats a good thing....lol...Im scared to hang with you on the hogs now, dont get road rage bro!!!lolol, jk, youre good peeps IMO....

[GYMBRAT]

ME too, ive actually only been pissed on the board for real maybe 3 times since ive been here.....otherwise its just banter/fun etc....,
I must say its the first time i saw you snap on a forum, thats a good thing....lol...Im scared to hang with you on the hogs now, dont get road rage bro!!!lolol, jk, youre good peeps IMO....

LOL Thanks bro, We are alot a like I think bro haha, I'm not the type to snap over silly shit but hey I'm human ;)

Short notice but, what are you guys doing for a few days around June 1-2ish, Me and some bros are going for a trip through the Kooteneys for the fk of it?

[natenator]

group hump? err hug?

[GYMBRAT]

group hump? err hug?

lol of course natester haha its all good brutha!! :beer

[Big D]

awesome thread,

you guys shouldnt get pissed at all , this isnt real life. :)

[ironwill]

awesome thread,

you guys shouldnt get pissed at all , this isnt real life. :)

Why you son of a.......:flowers

Group hump all around!!!:lick

[ironwill]

LOL Thanks bro, We are alot a like I think bro haha, I'm not the type to snap over silly shit but hey I'm human ;)

Short notice but, what are you guys doing for a few days around June 1-2ish, Me and some bros are going for a trip through the Kooteneys for the fk of it?

Working, otherwise, yeah....We just got back from the kootenays, thats where cc and i just moved from.....Know the area well.....Will be a great ride....July long wknd we are heading out there and on to the Vanisle to see some friends and chill....If youre up for that, let me know...!!!

[GYMBRAT]

DAMN work eh lol, no worries brutha, yeah short notice sorry guys!!

half my fam is on Van Isl, so yeah lemme know fore sure man that could be doable yup :)

[drdnj]

group hump? err hug?

I prefer private humps with Mr.O. sorry

[natenator]

I prefer private humps with Mr.O. sorry
you exclusionary bastard! lol

[L3]

I prefer private humps with Mr.O. sorry

Dio's jacked nowadays huh

lol

[cog]

This thread is fun. How many posters are doing tren on their spring cycles?
That has nothing to do with anything.
:)

[JonnyO]

I love tren, it actually makes me calm. And Im as mellow as they come normally. Cut me off in traffic, well thats another story...

[Victor85]

IMO some huge ass dudes might have achieved great muscular development and are just maintaining what they got without the possible injuries that can happen with insane poundages.(plus using heavy weights require another huge dude to spot or two somewhat strong regular schmoes).

Like DeltKing said, some guys are getting for comps. and they cant be swinging/throwing around heavy weights.

[guest]

i just read the last 4 pages of this thread.....i want a refund.