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Gettin'r'round
21-05-2010, 10:35 AM
Oxandrolone as a slimming aid

Steroids like oxandrolone not only build muscle mass, they also break down body fat. One problem with the former effect is that much of the muscle mass that has been built up disappears once the athlete stops taking oxandrolone. According to research done in 2004 at the University of Southern California, the fat loss effect of oxandrolone does not have this drawback.

Oxandrolone

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Early in the 21st century American endocrinologists, financed partly by the government and partly by oxandrolone manufacturer Savient, studied the effects of modest doses of oxandrolone on elderly men. The researchers wanted to establish how effective and safe oxandrolone really is. Although the study involved non-active men who were above 60, it did produce information that is interesting for chemical athletes.

The study showed that men gain muscle mass and lose fat mass if they take oxandrolone for 12 weeks, but also that 12 weeks further on the muscles built up have disappeared again. But the fat that was lost stays away. Most of the benefit of a course of oxandrolone is derived in the first six weeks of the course. So the researchers are in favour of short six-week courses of oxandrolone.

The study that is the subject of this article looks in more depth at the value of oxandrolone as a slimming aid. The men lost 1.8 kg fat during a 12-week course of oxandrolone, where the daily dose was 20 mg.

VAT = abdominal fat; SAT = subcutaneous fat; P thigh = fat on the hips; D thigh = fat on the upper legs, above the knee; P IMF = intramuscular fat in the trunk; D IMF = intramuscular fat in the arm and leg muscles.

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The table below shows how much of the fat had returned 12 weeks after the oxandrolone course had finished: less than 17 percent. That means that 83 percent of the weight lost stayed off.

http://www.ergo-log.com/plaatjes/oxfatloss3.gif

So maybe oxandrolone has more potential as a diet drug than as a muscle builder, the researchers sigh [forgetting that a 2-kg fat loss over a 12 week period is perfectly possible without taking steroids].

The more fat the men had lost, the lower their insulin level before a meal. This is a positive sign. A low pre-meal insulin level means that you are sensitive to insulin, and is associated with fewer inflammatory processes.

http://www.ergo-log.com/plaatjes/oxfatloss4.gif

Ten years earlier endocrinologists discovered that a modest dose of oxandrolone reduces fat mass in men over 40, while men given a low dose of testosterone-enanthate build up more fat. [Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1995 Sep;19(9):614-24.]

Source:
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct; 89(10): 4863-72.

Praetorian
21-05-2010, 11:32 AM
Complete BS! Dont miss the part that says it was financed by Searle...unbelievable!! If you believe this skewed study I know of some prime ocean front property in Saskatchewan...going cheap.

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GYMBRAT
21-05-2010, 12:58 PM
No shiat!!! Lol

bongd
21-05-2010, 06:03 PM
Complete BS! Dont miss the part that says it was financed by Searle...unbelievable!! If you believe this skewed study I know of some prime ocean front property in Saskatchewan...going cheap.

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It's right up there with those ads suggesting that high fructose corn syrup really isn't that bad... I wonder who made those commercials, eh? :lick

No one should ever be afraid to question studies.

_Ragnar_
21-05-2010, 08:35 PM
I love it. Var = fat loss while Test e = fat gain. Thats some good shit!!

GYMBRAT
21-05-2010, 08:41 PM
I shed fat while on test e for real ;)

revolution187
21-05-2010, 09:03 PM
Complete BS! Dont miss the part that says it was financed by Searle...unbelievable!! If you believe this skewed study I know of some prime ocean front property in Saskatchewan...going cheap.

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i've been looking for ocean front property in saskatchewan for a long time now!!! pm me so we can discuss a price for it

dainbramaged
22-05-2010, 09:07 AM
Even if the study is crap, there might be one redeeming feature. Imagine the company trying to promote oxandrolone as a fat burner. There might be no stomach for an anabolic product on the market but the hordes will come out en mass for something to shed those pounds.

cog
22-05-2010, 02:42 PM
It would be the gateway anabolic.

nisser
22-05-2010, 02:44 PM
Yes, the fat loss is permanent. Just take it for a little bit then eat all the cake you want for the rest of your life. Life is that easy!

juced_porkchop
22-05-2010, 06:17 PM
There is NO SUCH THING as: "Permanent fat loss"

you can gain it right back with a shit diet if you stop eating right.

bongd
23-05-2010, 08:55 AM
If you want to retard fat cells, diet hard on T3 and GH and HOLD your conditioning there for a while. Just like it's easier to puff up when you're already fat, if you're super lean and happen to puff up it's easier to deflate.

May sound like a little bro science but the longer you stay lean and conditioned, the easier it is. It's a far cry from permanent fat loss but it's the most realistic thing you can do.

riccosuabe
09-06-2010, 07:03 PM
Complete BS! Dont miss the part that says it was financed by Searle...unbelievable!! If you believe this skewed study I know of some prime ocean front property in Saskatchewan...going cheap.

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hahahaha!! it is pretty hilarious how people will believe any shit if it has fat loss in the title!!

cog
16-06-2010, 08:52 PM
If you want to retard fat cells, diet hard on T3 and GH and HOLD your conditioning there for a while. Just like it's easier to puff up when you're already fat, if you're super lean and happen to puff up it's easier to deflate.

May sound like a little bro science but the longer you stay lean and conditioned, the easier it is. It's a far cry from permanent fat loss but it's the most realistic thing you can do.

I believe there is some truth in this.Apparently older fat deposits are "brown fat"harder to mobilize apparently.