ECA vs. Clen/t3

[5abi]

Hey All,

How would you compare the effectiveness of ECA vs Clen or ECA vs Clen/T3??

HOw about the sides? EC causes about zero known sides to me.

Regards

[btufts]

absolutely hate EC/ECA, makes me jittery and pissed off/anxious around 6pm onward. Clen alone is great, no sides for me but a few nose bleeds every once in a while. but no jitters or moodiness at all

[Ritch]

I`m almost positive the polls will favor the clen/t3 route.

[Praetorian]

Comparing ECA to T3/clen stack is like comparing a Chevy Sprint to an Audi R8...not even close.
ECA has terrible sides and is abused to the maximum. Cortisol levels rise through the roof, adrenal stress is very high and can lead to adrenal fatigue..not good. cardiac issues can result as well as ECA stack is a non specific beta agonist which will act upon heart, brain, blood pressure etc
Clen is a much more potent fat burner with much less sides that will usually subside after a week if it is used correctly. Clen is a beta 2 specific agonist and is not a stimulant...it does not raise blood pressure it lowers it.
P

[btufts]

Comparing ECA to T3/clen stack is like comparing a Chevy Sprint to an Audi R8...not even close.
ECA has terrible sides and is abused to the maximum. Cortisol levels rise through the roof, adrenal stress is very high and can lead to adrenal fatigue..not good. cardiac issues can result as well as ECA stack is a non specific beta agonist which will act upon heart, brain, blood pressure etc
Clen is a much more potent fat burner with much less sides that will usually subside after a week if it is used correctly. Clen is a beta 2 specific agonist and is not a stimulant...it does not raise blood pressure it lowers it.
P

love the comparison of cars... didn't know clen lowered blood pressure, i got quite a few nose bleeds while taking it

[fathead]

prae- can you think of a reason that clen is making me feel like absolute death? ive used in in the past with great results, but this year and last, both times ive gone on it (tried multiple brands and types) i just feel terrible. i get bad muscle aches all over my body, bad neck pain, feels like test flu almost. and this is on a dose 1/5 what i used to take...

taurine?

[Praetorian]

prae- can you think of a reason that clen is making me feel like absolute death? ive used in in the past with great results, but this year and last, both times ive gone on it (tried multiple brands and types) i just feel terrible. i get bad muscle aches all over my body, bad neck pain, feels like test flu almost. and this is on a dose 1/5 what i used to take...

taurine?

Ramping up too fast, too high a dose, it will leach taurine so good idea to supplement with it, get plenty of sodium and drink plenty of water. Ramp up slowly to no higher than 120mcg daily...that should take 6-8 weeks.
P

[fathead]

Ramping up too fast, too high a dose, it will leach taurine so good idea to supplement with it, get plenty of sodium and drink plenty of water. Ramp up slowly to no higher than 120mcg daily...that should take 6-8 weeks.
P

i used to ramp up to 150mcg or so. im taking 25mcg and its giving me these side effects, and it doesnt matter if its tabs, liquid etc...

if i was to take taurine, is there a period of time i would need to be taking it for before it helped out? is there a "buffering" zone for such a supplement?

[Praetorian]

i used to ramp up to 150mcg or so. im taking 25mcg and its giving me these side effects, and it doesnt matter if its tabs, liquid etc...

if i was to take taurine, is there a period of time i would need to be taking it for before it helped out? is there a "buffering" zone for such a supplement?

You should feel the effects of taurine in hours.
P

[5abi]

how about clen alone?

[Praetorian]

how about clen alone?

What about it?
P

[btufts]

how about clen alone?

works great

[5abi]

turned out to be a great discussion, i guess i my next question should have been phrased "clen vs eca" and the compared effectiveness and sides

[JonnyO]

Wow I was just talking about how I love the ECA over Clen/T3. I feel great on it, no jitters or anxiety compared to clen which will give me headaches, jitters and my heart pounds for hours on end. T3 just makes me feel like complete crap after a while, it really drains me esp when used with the clen.

As far as effectiveness, Id give it to Clen/T3 obviously but as for sides ECA I feel way better with.

[btufts]

Wow I was just talking about how I love the ECA over Clen/T3. I feel great on it, no jitters or anxiety compared to clen which will give me headaches, jitters and my heart pounds for hours on end. T3 just makes me feel like complete crap after a while, it really drains me esp when used with the clen.

As far as effectiveness, Id give it to Clen/T3 obviously but as for sides ECA I feel way better with.

weird, i guess they work different with different people, ECA made me feel like i wanted to sucker punch an orphan after it wore off

[Praetorian]

Wow I was just talking about how I love the ECA over Clen/T3. I feel great on it, no jitters or anxiety compared to clen which will give me headaches, jitters and my heart pounds for hours on end. T3 just makes me feel like complete crap after a while, it really drains me esp when used with the clen.

As far as effectiveness, Id give it to Clen/T3 obviously but as for sides ECA I feel way better with.

The headaches and jitters will normally go away after a week to ten days...that is if you ramp up slowly and dose correctly....most dont. As for the heart pounds that is due the lowered blood pressure which the heart responds by increasing volume to compensate. That will also subside if dosed correctly. Much of the sides with ECA are not felt until it is too late...once you go off...then stressed adrenals lead to all sorts of issues...weight gain, depression, anxiety, etc.
P

[JonnyO]

The headaches and jitters will normally go away after a week to ten days...that is if you ramp up slowly and dose correctly....most dont. As for the heart pounds that is due the lowered blood pressure which the heart responds by increasing volume to compensate. That will also subside if dosed correctly. Much of the sides with ECA are not felt until it is too late...once you go off...then stressed adrenals lead to all sorts of issues...weight gain, depression, anxiety, etc.
P

I always start off low, 20mcg. And as you, I like to use it for long periods of time with no breaks and ya some sides do subside after a while, but that combo really drains me. But cannot argue its effectiveness.

[gingerbreadman]

I relied on ECA stack for preworkout energey and occasional fat burner for over a year straight. Wound up passing out in the ER with no blood pressure and hemoglobin of 66 due to angiodysplasia (internal bleeding). Be careful. Hope my warning saves someone else's mistakes.

[ubcpower]

I relied on ECA stack for preworkout energey and occasional fat burner for over a year straight. Wound up passing out in the ER with no blood pressure and hemoglobin of 66 due to angiodysplasia (internal bleeding). Be careful. Hope my warning saves someone else's mistakes.

Was this diagnosed as being attributed to solely the ECA?

[gingerbreadman]

Was this diagnosed as being attributed to solely the ECA?

No, but suspected. I took alot. From Jan '09 to Aug '09 likley average 6 ECA/wk. Aug '09 added 1 baby aspirin AM & PM to go with 250mg niacin. Feb-Apr '10 upped the ECA to 2x/day average of likley 8-12x/wk. Therefore some days 800+mgs uncoated aspirin intake. Apr 15th wound up in ER with hemoglobin of 66. Had bleeding symptoms I recall back as far as Feb '10 (black stool) so I was bleeding slowly off & on for ~ 2 mths. My case is a bit extreme, therefore the aspirin is the most suspected contributor.

[R-Money]

ECA vs clen/t3 is like saying; coke or pepsi and a blowjob.

[pblade]

ECA vs clen/t3 is like saying; coke or pepsi and a blowjob.

thats just awesome lol