winny tabs making me tired

[gqgq]

question for you peeps:

does wiinny tabs make you feel sleepy? i've been on them for 10 days now and i notice my sleep is very deep and i get sleepy frequently. is this normal?

[juced_porkchop]

are you ONLY taking winny?of so probibly shut down of natty test id say.
test is needed for many funtiongs in body and soem estrogen is good/needed for energy along other things and low test= low estro most of time.

whats your cycle look like?

[gqgq]

are you ONLY taking winny?of so probibly shut down of natty test id say.
test is needed for many funtiongs in body and soem estrogen is good/needed for energy along other things and low test= low estro most of time.

whats your cycle look like?
yeah i'm just running straight winny by itself actually. 50mg/day. i normally like cycling my test with deca and alternate with eq. 1st time taking winny. i like it, notice definition and feel good along with my clean diet but i find it strange about the sleepiness.

[gingerbreadman]

yeah i'm just running straight winny by itself actually. 50mg/day. i normally like cycling my test with deca and alternate with eq. 1st time taking winny. i like it, notice definition and feel good along with my clean diet but i find it strange about the sleepiness.


So many people do this - run winny tabs alone. Usually its newbie's (no offense gqgq) just what I've observed. For some reason (likley Ben Johnson one of them) they all want winny and most think it will help loose fat. Proper diet looses fat - not AAS

IMO winny shuts down test and should not be run without test as well

Several of my buddies do it though.......

[Kilburn]

Proper diet looses fat - not AAS



disagree man. when i was stacking tren with other AAS i was staying lean no matter what. could eat junk all day and chug protien shakes full of peanut butter and whole milk and not gain an ounce of fat.

[L3]

i never felt sleepy running orals only (winny included)...infact winny makes me aggressive...


are you getting enough sleep during the night? eating enough?

[gqgq]

i never felt sleepy running orals only (winny included)...infact winny makes me aggressive...


are you getting enough sleep during the night? eating enough?
i find it strange aswell. i've done lots of cycles for many years but 1st time doing winny. i eat very clean and frequent. calories are there. everything is in check. i feel harder, look slightly more defined, attitude, strength etc.

can't put my finger on it. i googled this and read no ware about winny tabs making someone sleepy. lol, i have no clue. my training is more of a fighter regiment, not t bodybuilder, so i do more cardio and speed exercises. can't see how this effects anything either. i'm going to ask my source about this today and see whats up..

[vakker]

I react the same way. Very tired, naps in the day and then 12 hours sleep on top of it. I won't do it again because of this.

If you are a fighter, I would not touch winny. Your joints will be in screaming pain.

[gqgq]

I react the same way. Very tired, naps in the day and then 12 hours sleep on top of it. I won't do it again because of this.

If you are a fighter, I would not touch winny. Your joints will be in screaming pain.
thank you! ok at least i don't feel alone. lol exactly.... i can sleep 12hours 2. deeeeep sleep, major rem. my joint are ok right now, i read it may strengthen them, that would be cool. oh well, gona pop my winny in 5min actually

[gingerbreadman]

If you are a fighter, I would not touch winny. Your joints will be in screaming pain.

This is true too, but I found it takes >8-12 wks before the sore joints kick in for me on winny but when it does.....the house smells like ben-gay even have trouble sleeping.

Also, taking winny with test is completely different than taking winny by itself.

[juced_porkchop]

yeah i'm just running straight winny by itself actually. 50mg/day. i normally like cycling my test with deca and alternate with eq. 1st time taking winny. i like it, notice definition and feel good along with my clean diet but i find it strange about the sleepiness.

how so ?
I just told you why you feel sleepy and tierd.


always use test.
even just 200mg ew

[vakker]

how so ?
I just told you why you feel sleepy and tierd.


always use test.
even just 200mg ew

dude, it wont help.

test doesn't help me when on winny, i think its just a byproduct of a stressed liver.

[Praetorian]

disagree man. when i was stacking tren with other AAS i was staying lean no matter what. could eat junk all day and chug protien shakes full of peanut butter and whole milk and not gain an ounce of fat.

You may disagree but that doesnt mean you are correct....what you are doing is confusing a non aromatizing (androgen)hardener with leaness...very common mistake...aas DO NOT burn fat period...ginger is 100% correct!!!!
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[Praetorian]

how so ?
I just told you why you feel sleepy and tierd.


always use test.
even just 200mg ew

Correct, winny by itself (not smart to begin with) will push endo test down far enough to make you lethargic...especially at that dose...not to mention your joints will take a beating and you are putting yourself at risk of serious tendon injuries.
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[monkey]

Correct, winny by itself (not smart to begin with) will push endo test down far enough to make you lethargic...especially at that dose...not to mention your joints will take a beating and you are putting yourself at risk of serious tendin injuries.
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If he says so you SHOULD listen... most will agree with what you are doing being stupid to begin with anyways...

[bigtavi8]

Winny only cycles drive your testosterone to low levels inducing lethargy like a mad man. I remember even @ 50mg of winny 2-3 weeks in i was falling asleep everywhere like ridiculously lethargic. Couldnt even drive a car. Tried caffeine and a bunch of stims and couldnt hack it. Lesson learned. get test or give up.

[gqgq]

thx for the messages peeps. i have reduced my dosage in 1/2 and will complete my cycle. i don't have access to test right now unfortunately. i'm enjoying the results

[Gettin'r'round]

You may disagree but that doesnt mean you are correct....what you are doing is confusing a non aromatizing (androgen)hardener with leaness...very common mistake...aas DO NOT burn fat period...ginger is 100% correct!!!!
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Check this out:

http://www.ergo-log.com/higherdoses.html

[gqgq]

Check this out:

http://www.ergo-log.com/higherdoses.html
wow, what an interesting article. looks like the magic number is 300mg/wk

[Praetorian]

Check this out:

http://www.ergo-log.com/higherdoses.html

As i said aas DO NOT burn fat period. The article references that a higher level of testosterone(androgen) will yield more fat loss...this is common sense. When a natural bodybuilder diets the first thing that happens due to caloric reduction is a marked decrease in endogenous hormones ie testosterone production. Thus by the addition of exogenous testosterone in enhanced athletes this situation is circumvented...nothing new here. This in no way means that aas including testosterone burn fat...ive posted this numerous times and the argument is stale at best. aas create an artificial environment conducive to fat loss that is all.
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[mo_sco]

totally makes sense...but I've found that a short cycle of it at the end of my cycle (in conjunction with clean diet) really helps to harden me up. Obviously there's still test in my system for 2-3 weeks after last inject and I run only 2-3 weeks of winny the last time and no joint issues. Did notice I got rid of the water retnsion from the test and I started to see my abs and veins again. My experience on winny at the end of cycle was positive and is currently what I am trying as I wind down my 16 week test/deca cycle. Thoughts?