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http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
Hindus are similar.Catholics used to be taught that all other people would surely go to hell.:)
I don't think you read the document.
I did read it.Lots of people have racist views about one group or another,it's a free country,you can pick and choose.Right?
Hindus are similar.Catholics used to be taught that all other people would surely go to hell.:)
I did read it.Lots of people have racist views about one group or another,it's a free country,you can pick and choose.Right?
Hell still exists in the Bible, It hasn't changed.
I can only assume that you are of Jewish decent else you would be outraged when reading the racist doctrine which Jewish people believe and teach in their synagogues from their 'secret' holy books. I'm not saying anything hateful about Jews in this thread, I am merely exposing them for the racists that they are. It is their racist religious teachings that partially fuel my resentment tward them.
Last I checked, promoting racism is pretty much frowned upon in the west. At least, that's what the Jewish run media has told me all my life.
Hypocrites?
j-dub
11-05-2010, 09:18 AM
meh, its religion, what do you expect???
personally, if it is written by man, it is flawed. hence why the world is as ****ed up as it is. sheep will tell you we need more religion, i'm no sheep, and i don't hold one religion over another as superior. every religion is evil when corrupted by its followers.
meh, its religion, what do you expect???
personally, if it is written by man, it is flawed. hence why the world is as ****ed up as it is. sheep will tell you we need more religion, i'm no sheep, and i don't hold one religion over another as superior. every religion is evil when corrupted by its followers.
I disagree that you group these racist teachings with all other religions.
natenator
11-05-2010, 10:23 AM
this old chestnut again?
yawn
:)
this old chestnut again?
yawn
:)
This is new material Nate. ;)
j-dub
11-05-2010, 11:05 AM
I disagree that you group these racist teachings with all other religions.
that is your right, you are free to do so. just check the history books and you will see all kinds of misgivings. racist? that is an interpretation.
that is your right, you are free to do so. just check the history books and you will see all kinds of misgivings. racist? that is an interpretation.
Not if you consider Jew a race, which I do for the most part. The religion is passed by the mother so there is a genetic component. Converts are not considered full jews by born jews. More like token jews.. Poor people can't join. Its more of an exclusive club than a religion.
If not racist, at the least it is discriminatory. My point is, they look down on the rest of us like we are garbage, yet claim.. we jews are poor victims and at the same time run the world through their tight nepotistic network which has held all the power in the world from the beginning of time.
The old adage"Give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves".
Take a look at the the power people of Bay St. BAM.You will find plenty of Anglo Saxon Christians.
Take a look at the the power people of Bay St. BAM.You will find plenty of Anglo Saxon Christians.
I'm sure there are some of these in the pile you mention:
Crypto-Judaism is the secret adherence to Judaism while publicly professing to be of another faith; practitioners are referred to as "crypto-Jews" (origin from Greek kryptos - κρυπτός 'hidden.'). The term crypto-Jew is also used to describe descendants who maintain some Jewish traditions of their ancestors, often secretly, and while publicly adhering to other faiths.
Anyhow, my point is, the Talmud is Blatantly racist and supremist. Do you agree? or Disagree?
Stay on topic please.
Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam), shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man (Adam).
"Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man (Adam)? No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man" (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are not called man (Adam)."
In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.
The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).
Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam), [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not called men (Adam)."
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).
From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."
Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical, anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry.
In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.
The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted interpretation.
Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a. Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).
Doesn't mention Anglo Saxons.I don't believe the people I speak of are crypto-jews,many are Anglicans...the point is,you don't have to be Jewish to be involved in any of the kinds of business that Jews are involved in...they certainly have good connections...most are just people running a business and paying bills like anybody else,or professionals.I can't dial up the pope...:)
Yes Yes, all power people are not jews, but most of the ones at the top are at least part jewish and they do control everything that is important. Banks, Media, Hollywood, Commerce etc. Jews arent stupid.. they dangle Obamas etc in front of the masses, but the people that surround obama are jews and israeli sympathizers. I guarantee a jew writes Obama's speeches.
Anyway, were getting off topic my point is, the Talmud is Blatantly racist and supremist. Do you agree? or Disagree?
Stay on topic please.
Yes.They want to keep their people Jewish.As in "Who is a Jew".They want a strict core.But many disregard this and have gentile wives.Just look at Hollywood.
Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
Where a Jew Should Do Evil
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.
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You don't say what time period these are from.Middle ages?What are people to think of the actions of Christians during the crusades and the inquisition?
The Talmud still says the same things in it as it always did. The teaching are the same. To deny the Talmud is to deny Judaism.
This thread is not about people using religion to manipulate people. This thread is about racism in the jewish holy books. Again, try to stay on topic.
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with. On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
rob66679
12-05-2010, 06:49 PM
Yes Yes, all power people are not jews, but most of the ones at the top are at least part jewish and they do control everything that is important. Banks, Media, Hollywood, Commerce etc. Jews arent stupid.. they dangle Obamas etc in front of the masses, but the people that surround obama are jews and israeli sympathizers. I guarantee a jew writes Obama's speeches.
Anyway, were getting off topic my point is, the Talmud is Blatantly racist and supremist. Do you agree? or Disagree?
Stay on topic please.
Almost every religion is biased against everyone not from that religion.
Well, pretty much all of them.
I don't think Jews are any different than Evangelical Christians in terms of trying to blur the line between church and state, just maybe that they've been more successful at getting their agenda across.
I do def think that America's and our own foriegn policy is very biased towards Israel. There is a double standard that plain to see.
Is the Talmud racist? No more so than the old or new testaments.
They are all equally ****ed.
So after reading all that shit, nobody will actually say that it is racist.. wtf?
If those were scriptures from the Koran, you guys would be all over it.
faller
13-05-2010, 02:01 AM
So after reading all that shit, nobody will actually say that it is racist.. wtf?
I think mostly we just don't give a ****. :D
I think mostly we just don't give a ****. :D
Ahem.. I wasn't talking to your goyim ass you damn dirty ape. I was talking to the humans. ;)
Why get ugly about it?
I'm not, that was a joke..
a dash of "non-jews are not human" and a pinch of "planet of the apes"
I guess you missed the ";)"
BAM you must feel like superman.
BAM you must feel like superman.
Explain.
rob66679
13-05-2010, 05:46 PM
So after reading all that shit, nobody will actually say that it is racist.. wtf?
If those were scriptures from the Koran, you guys would be all over it.
No, I wouldn't.
I could go and get 50 ****ed up passages from the old testament, but I'm too lazy so if you're interested you can look for yourselves.
The end solution....ban all religion. Been far to big of a problem for far too long. Live your life based on logic and what makes scientific sense, not about what some guy who's never been seen or heard says.
It would be pretty ****in simple for him to just come down and set things strait, would take him what 5 minutes? but no, he'd rather watch us kill each other over what we interpret his plan as.
2000 ****in years since Christ ( supposedly ) and he can't find 5 minutes. WTF.
If you go to Church, you're a sheep. A mindless ****in sheep who can't think rationally or logically.
Thats my bored rant, feel free to respond lol.
I could go and get 50 ****ed up passages from the old testament, but I'm too lazy so if you're interested you can look for yourselves.
The old testament is before Christ and is essentially a historical document of the jews and is meaningless to Christianity. There was no Christianity before Christ existed. I suggest that these 50 passages you are thinking of are the doings of Jews, not Christians.
No, I wouldn't.
The end solution....ban all religion. Been far to big of a problem for far too long. Live your life based on logic and what makes scientific sense, not about what some guy who's never been seen or heard says.
It would be pretty ****in simple for him to just come down and set things strait, would take him what 5 minutes? but no, he'd rather watch us kill each other over what we interpret his plan as.
2000 ****in years since Christ ( supposedly ) and he can't find 5 minutes. WTF.
If you go to Church, you're a sheep. A mindless ****in sheep who can't think rationally or logically.
Thats my bored rant, feel free to respond lol.
I think you misundertand the thread topic. Nobody is debating the validity of religion in society or the existence of God. The discussion is regarding whether or not the religious teachings of the talmud are racist and supremist.. you know, like Nazi propaganda.
Explain.
Do you think you might have made it on to a list of some sort?Anyhoo,we don't know context,maybe it was written after they got the boot from one of those european cities that purged Jews from their midst several times.Maybe the rabbi was feeling a little burned.And you can't deny that Anglo Saxons have felt that they were indeed superior to all other men on this planet as well.The conduct of white christians over the past 500 years gives little licence to preach...
Do you think you might have made it on to a list of some sort?
For quoting the Talmud and posting facts about Jews and Judaism. (shrug) So be it.
Anyhoo,we don't know context,maybe it was written after they got the boot from one of those european cities that purged Jews from their midst several times.Maybe the rabbi was feeling a little burned.And you can't deny that Anglo Saxons have felt that they were indeed superior to all other men on this planet as well.The conduct of white christians over the past 500 years gives little licence to preach...
So the Talmud is the word of the Jew and not the word of Yahweh?
For quoting the Talmud?
Well,just the general drift of things from time to time.Some might feel you're a little obsessed.
No, I wouldn't.
I could go and get 50 ****ed up passages from the old testament, but I'm too lazy so if you're interested you can look for yourselves.
The end solution....ban all religion. Been far to big of a problem for far too long. Live your life based on logic and what makes scientific sense, not about what some guy who's never been seen or heard says.
It would be pretty ****in simple for him to just come down and set things strait, would take him what 5 minutes? but no, he'd rather watch us kill each other over what we interpret his plan as.
2000 ****in years since Christ ( supposedly ) and he can't find 5 minutes. WTF.
If you go to Church, you're a sheep. A mindless ****in sheep who can't think rationally or logically.
Thats my bored rant, feel free to respond lol.
I don't go to church very often,I made up for it when I was young,but if I lived in a small town I might.I still think it lends something to a community.
I don't go to church very often,I made up for it when I was young,but if I lived in a small town I might.I still think it lends something to a community.
Do you recall any racism being preached at any of these non-jewish sermons you attend?
Here is an updated link to essentially the same content as the original link at the top which no longer functions.
http://www.rense.com/general21/tal.htm
Just for the record,I have only attended Catholic,Anglican and other assorted Protesant ceremonies.It's not common now,bit in the 19 th century invoking the name of Christ to justify colonialism was common,natives and blacks needed the hand of God.My granparents came from Scotland,I have heard it in all it's glory BAM.
You too seem confused about the question at hand. The question is, "Is the doctrine in the Talmud blatantly racist and Supremist?"
Can you re-read the passages I have posted and give me a yes or no answer.
rob66679
14-05-2010, 07:10 PM
The old testament is before Christ and is essentially a historical document of the jews and is meaningless to Christianity. There was no Christianity before Christ existed. I suggest that these 50 passages you are thinking of are the doings of Jews, not Christians.
I think you misundertand the thread topic. Nobody is debating the validity of religion in society or the existence of God. The discussion is regarding whether or not the religious teachings of the talmud are racist and supremist.. you know, like Nazi propaganda.
A lot of what Evangelical Christians today are preaching today is Old Testament.
I could find you 50 equally messed up passages from the New Testament too, if I wasn't a lazy guy.
rob66679
14-05-2010, 07:14 PM
You too seem confused about the question at hand. The question is, "Is the doctrine in the Talmud blatantly racist and Supremist?"
Can you re-read the passages I have posted and give me a yes or no answer.
What your doing is no different than Waderow quoting a bunch of passages from the Koran and trying to paint all Muslims with that brush.
Its a loaded question and you know it.
Are those racist yes they are. But no more than anyone else.
And that is in reference to the passages you quoted, not the faith as a whole.
I could find you 50 equally messed up passages from the New Testament too, if I wasn't a lazy guy.
Wrong! Nothing like that brutal shit from the Talmud.
Are those racist yes they are. But no more than anyone else.
It's one thing to be racist, but to have a Holy Book with shit like that in it that is still taught? I mean really?
MuSuLPhReAk
15-05-2010, 07:14 AM
Bam, I've gotten complaints on this thread. They are valid complaints too.
The problem with these threads is it will bring out the worst in people and cause members to ultimately attack one another. I'll have to lock her down and ask you to refrain from posting these types of threads. I know you feel very strong about this stuff but it is overall unhealthy for the board.
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