Some help please?

[a_ahmed]

Hey everyone,

I asked this on another forum but they do not really have a TRT section or anything like that. Since it's a state-side site I kind of figured that's even less help and since this is a canuck site I might as well ask here.

Basically I've had it with this... and I needed to vent, thank God I have a wife that cares and is supportive. I also have a real job and so I have to sort this out. I am going to kind of copy paste what I said there..

I feel irritable, easily agitated/upset/angry/moody like a woman PMSing, nagging sometimes, lazy, irritated even if asked stupid simple questions, holy crap emotional...

It happens every few months. And I become very tired, very stressed out easily mega, over smallest of things, sometimes it happens with work stressing me out and compounds the problem some more... causes problems for me at work.

When it comes to overall feeling i feel tired, weak, demotivated, no strength, whole body numb, eating doesn't re-energize me, it just feels like it goes through me and I put on fat easily, hardly put on muscle.. or lose muscle i worked hard for. Very frustrating.

With the fact that my job is 1-1.5hour one way drive in shitty toronto traffic it makes and compounds my stress levels even more.

I was takikng DS lean xtreme (cortisol control/blocker) and almost getting addicted to it as it was the only thing helping me out with stress.. as soon as i'd take it i'd calm down... otherwise i would be a wreck.

I dosed down and haven't taken now for a week and feel not needing it... which is good... i don't want to depend on it.

Last two weeks I could not work out, I took whole week off thinking maybe i overtrained but my training is one muscle per week type of thing. 3 days on, 2 days off. I've been eating 3000 calories daily, and just now to make myself a bit better feeling i've decided ill up to 3600 calories.

I put on fat rapidly, i struggle to takei t off and i struggle to put on muscle but lose it rapidly too. I'm 25, 6'2 and 180lbs~

[a_ahmed]

I've had this kind of shit before I ever even did a cycle. Being honest I've done one short 3 week cycle of hdrol at 125mg (which is basically oral turinabol roughly equilavent of 50-60 i guess?) however I had to get off it due to injury. I've had proper PCT but some complications due to hand being handicapped unable to train, eating went whack and i lost the gains.

I did liquid nolva+otc test boosters for pct for 6 weeks. Felt fine other than libido being gone. The libido never quite came back but I got 'used to it'.

I've had this come and go on me from time to time.

From when I was teenager, I remember in high school I felt like shit/depressed/weak when I was vegeterian for two years (stupidity). After I started eating meat I felt great.

Then on/off I would get these occurrences from time to time. Now that I'm married and working at a real job it's really impacting me negatively.

Before I did my cycle I felt like utter crap... plain and simple. It was near the end of ramadan/fasting first two-three weeks I felt FANTASTIC while fasting, in fact, I gained muscle while fasting (how go figure but I'd eat ALOT morning, and ALOT evening -- lol yup some people CAN bulk during ramadan haha). I lifted right after eating and was full of energy and zeal. I kept getting stronger. Then around third week just suddenly I completely shut down. From beast mode to completely useless mode. So I thought okay maybe because I'm fasting and well it's just not meant to be so after I finish fasting I'll get back on it. So weeks passed and nothing, I am completely shut off, moody, emotional, weak, fat coming on, strength lost. Right around that time I also got so stressed out that I ended up messing up something with my boss at work which was negative for my job although we went through this and are cool now but as you will see this has major frickin impact on my quality of life/relationships/overall well being/etc...

So consequently shortly after I did my first cycle around that time, needing something to boost me, I needed to to break a plateau, I kept going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth with this kind of crap. I thought it was just normal or I was doing it wrong or something... Anyways from day one on hdrol I felt AMAZING, never EVER better in my life. Energy level, rest, strength, aggression, I just plain felt alpha... I could literally sleep 3 hours and feel rested... weird as all hell. Never better in my life.

I exploded muscularly in a short period of time and I lost significant fat while eating 3700 calories a day. It was just ridiculously noticeable. mood, everything, nothing NOTHING could stress me. I went from 182lbs 15%bf to 195lbs 14% or less bf in three weeks. No bullshit. I FELT amazing I LOOKED amazing.

EVERY workout felt like it counted, and every workout was mad aggression I was totally beast mode... wife was like woah I freaked her out. I felt good alright...

It was just that noticeable, my stomach shrunk, although I still had it but... and my delts/biceps were visibly toned, I was VERY hard overall body, I was VERY aggressive/strong.

This was 125mg hdrol and formestane and i was taking lean xtreme (why dont ask me, newbness) but overall i felt UNBELIVABLY fantastic.

Then I got an injury that handicapped me from working out and I decided to stop, it kinda stressed me out and my nolva was stuck in shipping so for almost a week I was nolva-less. I was on otc for a week which did nothing to me and I felt mega depressed/stressed just like now or before, etc... I then got my nolva and gradually it felt like I was better but I lost ALL my frickin gains, again I felt weak, numb, no feeling of muscles, it went down the shitter and fat piled up. The injury complicated things and I could not work out and I thought damn I screwed up and lost the gains became 180ish and fat came back. I did nolva for like 4-5 weeks (1st wek being crap otc stuff). Libido is the one thing that never really came back honestly though.

I then decided alright I'll be natural and I'm gona struggle... although this opened my eyes. So I decided before I bulk I'm going to go for 10% bf. So for like three months I did mad cardio and I got down to I guess 12%bf-ish and 165lbs... i lost alot of mass. Noticably leaner however I looked like shit, I got obese two years into marriage and I lost it all rapidly 125lbs from 290lbs to 165lbs... so I have loose skin that gives me the illusion always that I'm fat... i hate it like all hell.

HOWEVER I still had plenty fat... and i lost alot of muscle (was on EC stack). Pictures still were OKAY... proof that I went a long ways but wth... i did not come close to 10%bf and i did this for three months straight? Keto didn't do it for me :-/ Go figure.

If I ate even a little bit of carbs I would get fat fast... and no muscle.

Then january came and I became really stressed due to work i put on fat.. pathetic... and I got the same mood/feeling/strength problem so i associated it again with stress and so did the doctor, i did blood tests, tests came out and he said 'everything is fine' which is bullcrap in my dictionary any longer.

I took natty test boosters and this seemed to help me out feeling more energetic and eventually i got that 'aggression' feeling while lifting back which is really what makes me progress...

So sure enough I stopped it and after a while here I am again and I feel crap again.

It's like a roller coaster I gain fat, i lose muscle, i gain the fat fast and at the stomach. I struggle back and forth to lose fat and i end up losing muscle, i try putting on muscle and i put on shit load of fat. What the ****? Following diet to the t and same shit whatever I listen to people's advice.

So pretty much low carbs and healthy fats made me 'stable' but then I end up being skinny fat. Ridiculous.

I don't know I'm ranting now .. but I'm frustrated...

Believe me, I am so dedicated... struggle alot in whatever endevour I do, and this is a put me downer but I still struggle through... but this has become a serious ****ing problem in my life.

I am feeling just as bad as when I came off of hdrol if not worse. The thing is though I've had this up/down prior to any cycle use just it's getting more severe when it happens.

I have a real job and a wife, I can't afford to keep having these things happening over and over again it affects my overall quality of life :S Working out aside (as it affects that as well).

[Ritch]

If this is happening to you every 2 months or so, it`s clear to me you need a week off every 6-8 weeks.

[a_ahmed]

I kind of ranted to my wife and said all I said here too LOL... she is actually quite supportive thank God.

More than working out is how I feel mentally/physically and how it affects relationships to those around me, work, performance, etc... overall the whole package is what bothers me though but man... it has to be hormonal and I guess my doc is just shitty...

Hopefully this saturday I will go to another better (hopefully) doc and get an endocrinologist specialist... this can't go frickin on... I am contemplating opening up to him about my hdrol cycle too, I mean why not... just straight up with him about the whole history of how i felt in hs, the rapid obesity when i got married lol, the ups and downs with this all together and now that I'm finally noticing it when it really matters and of course the body effect it has on me even when im ever so fully dedicated working out, eating healthy, being scrutinous about it all...

All the symptoms I feel point to stress + low test at least on how i feel vs what i've read... however the stress seems sometimes unrealistic, even the smallest things can turn me upside down and maaan if it makes me naggy and emotional like a woman i hate it. lol

The other thing is i have low sperm count and my wife and I have been trying to fall pregnant since 2007. Her tests checked out but mine were healthy but low sperm count. The fertility place actually gave me multi vitamin and maca natty test booster believe it or not. That was the first time I ever tried a multi and natty test booster lol... i definetely noticed energy increase/libido/better work outs.. so since then i never stopped taking a multi. Unfortunately that did not help us fall pregnant http://www.********************/images/smilies/frown.gif We did a test again when asked and the sperm count was still low http://www.********************/images/smilies/frown.gif

They offered us invitro fertilzation which is like 15,000$ and not gauranteed and that does not include all the supposed meds :S

I'm concerned if I go on TRT (if that be the problem and the case) how that would affect my sperm count too or if we have to travel how TRT would be administered/rules of other countries/sources lol..

If I'm not mistaken LH/FSH would sky dive to low levels.... if im ever on trt... but HCG should help? Maybe the doc would advice HCG?...

What local doctors, family/clinic, endocrinologist, whatever would you guys recommend?

The last doc all he did was test my free test.... not estriodal or bound test or whatever... stupidity...

it happens as such that it completes me wrecks me mentally and physically on and off...

And honestly i've never felt better in my life than when i was on cycle of that oral turinabol like clone... even though it was a short period but man i felt amazing... but going trt concerns me as i want to get my wife pregnant too.. but this is really causing havoc daily for me...

[a_ahmed]

If this is happening to you every 2 months or so, it`s clear to me you need a week off every 6-8 weeks.

I can't quit my job or change my circumstances in that respect... or take such time off...

[Ritch]

I can't quit my job or change my circumstances in that respect... or take such time off...

I meant from the gym...

[a_ahmed]

You do realize this is not because of the gym right? However it affects my work/gym/personal life/overall well being/whatever-wise and its unspecified and can last a while and that I do not feel normal at all during these times. I've tried to base it on work stress/burden, which I cannot avoid or escape, I've tried to base it on it being completely mental and in the mind but I am pretty good at fighting the mind/psychological things and overcoming things mentally.

This makes me iritable, lazy, exteremly weak, overall i have trouble with this not just from time to time it becomes worse in these moments but it is constant more or less. To the point that I am rolling around in a bed lazyily feeling depressed/moody/easily irritated. The gym doesn't do this to me. Gym makes me feel good lol. No gym = worse. Sleeping like a mad man for a whole week and still feeling the same crap? Etc...

I did take a week off training completely and could barely do what I did several weeks back. It's not just a I'm tired/i need rest type of thing. That's simple, when I feel like that I just take a few days extra off and am as good as new.

[revolution187]

hey bud trt would prob make ur sperm count even lower, go on google and find out what might increase sperm count. if i recall correctly clomid might make ur wife more fertile and u as well, ever heard of tribulus? some of your probs sound psychological so no amount of pills or shots will help u with that. get in touch with ur spiritual side learn to not freak out when under stress just take a step back and ask urself "im in a situation i cant control what can i do to ride this out? lastly i hope u aint fishing bro, no one on this site is gonna pm u offering u stuff. REMEMBER GOOGLE IS UR FRIEND

[Ritch]

Then your problem is beyond what I can help you with.

[a_ahmed]

Dunno what u mean by fishing LOL... if you mean sources, i have sources for stuff and that's not what i want...

I want to find a doctor locally that is good for this kind of stuff, hormonal stuff, trt, etc.. and know what he's talking about.

What I've had in my experience in last few years is obviously that doctor are just smart guys that learned/memorized alot but don't know everything. Basic frickin nutrition stuff some of the docs didn't know/don't know... I mentioned keto diet and doc didn't know... etc... shitty for me.

So when it comes to this well... i forget if i mentioned in the posts but the fertility clinic we went to offered no clomid/hcg/hmg options... just straight up 15,000$ invitro fertilization like wtf...

They made me pay like tripple prices (didnt know at the time) for maca herbal test booster and multi vitamin.... that was it...

I've tried natty test boosters for sure they help oh yeah... i get more aggressive (good) and more energetic, more rested, better overall life feel, but only specific natty test boosters (higher dose) which i can only get state side so it becomes all costly in the end that way (hah if only supplements were covered under insurance) still it uncovers a potential hormonal deficiency... to just feel normal and proactive that i need somthing like that :-/

I was hoping some of yous would locally recommend doctors for this kind of thing... as well as who would know about steroids/etc.. as i only did one hdrol/oral turinabol short cycle... and followed up with proper SERM (nolva) but so that i dont get a doc who i open up to about all this and he misunderstands/or gets wrong ideas, etc... or doesnt have a clue when i talk about tamoxifen citrate or clomifene citrate or hcg or hmg or whatever....

My stupid doc just did free test blood test and no other great specifics... so my free test could be high but what about test, free test, LH, FSH, , estradoil, dhea/dhea-s, igf-1, shbg, etc...

wife is a nurse lol.. so i read some of this stuff from her notes as well as personal curiosity since i love bodybuilding/human biology/anatomy...

It's my frickin well being and i dont need false analysis or prescription for problems... i bet most docs would put me on some anti depressant pro-serotonin/dopamine and call it a day... everything is about fixes not root causes...

Either way I'm concerned as I want to make sure I make my wife pregnant first... then if i have to be trt for life just to feel normal... so be it... if nothing else helps...

[a_ahmed]

sheesh so no good doctors that locals can recommend? My whole point of asking/talking/ranting was to find local help/others with similar issues :-/ ah well.......

[L3]

holy shit dude thats a lot of writing

[vakker]

you should work on getting to the point, as I didn't read a lick of that rant

[Delt King]

sheesh so no good doctors that locals can recommend? My whole point of asking/talking/ranting was to find local help/others with similar issues :-/ ah well.......

What's local for you?

[monkey]

1) I gave up reading your stuff.. take a writing course and get to the point if you want help on a forum..

2) not sure if that was mentioned.. but go see a doc.

JUDGING BY SOME OF THE RETARDED POSTS COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE A THOUSAND POSTS MAKES ME REALIZE THAT ADVICE ON THE INTERNET SHOULD BE ACCEPTED CAREFULLY..

OR ELSE WED BE ALL INJECTING TREN DECA IN OUR BICEPS

[warlock]

1) stop eating sugar and processed food in general
2) stop taking caffeine all together
3) go to bed before 10pm and sleep 8h
4) work out 2 days on 2 days off - push/pull full body
5) be smart with your cardio
6) meditation saved my life (pm me for details)
7) medical doctors will take a look at you exams and look for whatever is into a range. Your personal range is different from that given chart
8) If your symptoms persist and no medical doctor find anything pm me and I will give you the info of a good naturopath

[a_ahmed]

1) stop eating sugar and processed food in general (stopped a long long time ago)
2) stop taking caffeine all together (I dont like coffee anyways only green tea)
3) go to bed before 10pm and sleep 8h (I go to bed 9pm and sleep 9 hours)
4) work out 2 days on 2 days off - push/pull full body (Already doing 3 days on 2 days off and sometimes 3 days off, push/pull and legs split)
5) be smart with your cardio (I do it on the 3 days 40 minutes)
6) meditation saved my life (pm me for details) (Spiritiual side of things is fine but the peace of mind is hard to get with work and travel to work and i cant do anything about that)
7) medical doctors will take a look at you exams and look for whatever is into a range. Your personal range is different from that given chart (My doctor said im fine on my tt and it was something like 11, i had one person pm me a doctor/specialist in burlington... he had something along those lines and he is 33, i just turned frickin 25 i feel like utter shit) In fact this whole week I slept 10-11 hours.... i feel like shit as soon as i wake up.
8) If your symptoms persist and no medical doctor find anything pm me and I will give you the info of a good naturopath

This whole week im working afternoon until 10... and so as soon as i get home i sleep and i sleep alot.. but when i wake up i feel like shit... amongst the other things... i feel the worst in the morning in fact by the evening i feel better and i feel more energy in the evening its weird. In fact all my co-workers obviously notice so they are liek whats up and it irritates me, everything irritates me or stresses me out.. so obviously it shows on my face...

I'm hoping to see that guy that I was recommended through pm, the guy didnt post in the thread but read my posts... I am just not sure if he will be open saturday...

From a workout perspective i watch what i heat, how i eat, when i eat, how much i eat, i know its the first things people always attack, or how much you sleep or how you work out, how you rest, but i follow it to the t that most normal people dont understand (normal aka regular fat no exercise/no weightlifting/no whatever activity ppl).

Trust me I dont eat processed crap or junk food for along long long time and i am struggling to put on mass as well as take off the fat, been back and forth trying to 'bulk' and trying to cut... naturally... and its been an utter shit nightmare... then when i do make progress i shut down and just suddenly put on fat fast and lose the muscle/strength fast... and then for weeks i have to either work to lose the fat or work to regain the little muscle i put on. It's frustrating.

I haven't had morning wood since early high school and of course this is not something guys talk about on their lunch at work LOL but I'm going to guess most guys still get their morning wood... that's ****ed up... I don't get as strong erections either, wifey not complaining but I don't feel good about it. I used to be pretty horny all the time then in the last 2 years I'm almost like completely no car zone when it comes to it wtf even if I try to get myself horny takes effort that's retarded I'm only 25.

When it comes to working out, it also frustrates me struggling to get the results I want when I'm putting in the time and effort to it. I don't want to be skinny fat... for the rest of my life lol, with cloths on people compliment me if I'm working out because I have broader shoulders/chest vs waist but.. still.. compared to most weight lifting guys I look crap and the whole fat thing is just nuts. I've even been on keto for 3 months... anyways dont want to rant more... but its just all together frustrating. The aggression feeling and focus when i lift is just not there its a struggle in itself... and thats the ultimate feeling that i enjoy when i lift.. what really makes me progress.

My other concern with this issue is I want my wife and I to have a child so I have a low sperm count and all the docs i went to did jack shit for us except suggest invitro fertilization, no hcg, hmg, clomid or nolva or any of that so im dealing with clueless folks...

Straight up right now, its friday... i went to sleep like 11 yesterday i woke up this morning 8:30am... now its 9am... im feeling tired and energyless... confused.... its a shitty feeling. Most of my afternoon shifts are very very laid back and easy i barely do anything even... so wth? It makes me inactive, lazy, and i HATE being inactive or lazy... i have to be on the move and energy... the more lazy i am or inactive the more i remain like that... working out really helps me out otherwise if i wasnt working out all together i'd be ten times worse, if i wasnt taking multi vitamin id be again worse... but all these things fundementally dont attack how i feel just all natural/nothing happening just even sleeping... damn man... anyways ill stop now... its frustrating...

[BDH]

It seems to me that you keep coming back to "work and travel and I can't do anything about that"... as much as we all need to make a buck and pay the bills, sometimes mental health is more important... if you really can't find different work, you might be like the thousands of people who will just be miserable the rest of your life and regret not doing something about it as you get older...

To be honest, at 25, a career change isn't unusual... perhaps a smaller city and slower pace would give you peace of mind...

Also, you seem hell-bent on having a kid... perhaps wait until you get your own shit straightened out before bringing something into the world that will only make things more stressful... having a child will only lessen your chances at a career change and bring more worries into your household...

Best of luck... you seem to be stuck in a rut and it sounds like you are looking to outside sources for answers, when, I think, the answer lies inside you...

[a_ahmed]

well bro i am actively looking for other things for myself job-wise... but nothing right now so in that respect i got to keep working. Would be nice if i could just take some time off simply but that I can't do i have some debts and things of that sort to really worry about i want some financial freedom. I know everyone does but I want that taken care of and I'm making progress on that. About the kids well, plenty of friends of mine got kids by now and are making less than me they are doing fine... my wife and i really want a kid... :)

I love physical activity, working out, if it were up to me I'd train martial arts full time like i did before marriage lol, now if only i could get paid doing that or running my own gym that'd be sweet :) I would love to run a gym... do what i love... full time :)

However I am trying to do everything I can in my current situation to aleviate any of these symptoms.. from eating the stereotypical good stuff, watching how im eating and all that to trying to be persistently active/working out/etc... to getting enough sleep... but my body is just not responding well and in turn it affects me mentally too.

I mean it's 11am now, I am still yawning/feeling numb... for the heck of it i actually played a stretching video from p90x (lol), usually stretching is no brainer for me but the whole time i've been yawning/feeling numb and feeling like falling asleep dry eyes and all that... its ridiculous... just stretching... and yet i got a good 10.5hrs of sleep... but i feel tired/numb... i got work at 3pm... ironically by the evening i feel better.... :-/ go figure...

[monkey]

Whens the last time you took a vacation??? I mean like couple weeks, take a [plain and go **** off somewhere??

Reading your last post.. I was somewhere near tht once.. ( not that bad and I was outting on muscle.. more the mental side).
Took three months off, went back packing... saved my ass sicne it allowed me to unwind.

[fourarms]

[QUOTE= the whole time i've been yawning/feeling numb and feeling like falling asleep dry eyes and all that... its ridiculous... just stretching... and yet i got a good 10.5hrs of sleep... but i feel tired/numb... i got work at 3pm... ironically by the evening i feel better.... :-/ go figure...[/QUOTE]

Either there's a high level of toxic gas or carbon monoxide in your house....
or your wife is slowly poisoning you for the insurance payout.

[a_ahmed]

It was march 2 weeks.... yup not too long ago... and I'm asking the boss end of may. Then for the rest of the year that's it.. shitty i know.

fourarms: LOL, no we've got carbon monoxide detecters and the wife is not poisoning me :P Could make for an interesting movie i guess

[a_ahmed]

Update this morning, I couldn't handle it no more I have very little purus labs recycle left (natty booster) so I broke down and took it. INSTANTLY I felt better.

I took some caps pre-workout and let me put it this way. I broke PR on legs day, I did it all in 20 minutes. I ran 1 hour for 3.5miles.

I feel so good right now, full of energy, not tired one bit.

Totally ****ed up hormones = answer.

Can't wait to see the specialist.

Prior on the other hand I was feeling horrible and I didn't want to ruin the time I was spending with my wife... I felt depressed for no reason so I popped 3 pills... i felt better then later I took 2 more prior to workout.... workout was flying... mood up and energy up like I can't possibly explain...

[cog]

Either there's a high level of toxic gas or carbon monoxide in your house....
or your wife is slowly poisoning you for the insurance payout.

Something in your enviroment..off-gassing from carpets,paint?

[a_ahmed]

lol... read post above.

In fact I just ran 1.5miles in 20 minutes I'm feeling f'n fantastic! I am 100% convinced something is up with my hormones and I know myself pretty well/listen to my body.

It doesn't make sense to be depressed/emotionally/naggy/energyless/yawning/lazy/irritated/weak/tired 24/7 that's just ****ed up. With nutrition in check, regular exercise (in fact hardcore dedication), constant rest (9 hours every day).

Addendum to earlier post, I ran for an hour after legs work out. And still right now I don't feel tired I feel great. I don't feel horny though LOL.. one would expect from a natty booster that.

[Aaron_37]

I keep telling you it's the vegetables! :D

[cog]

Time to buy stock in that natty booster outfit I guess,eh?Regardless of 9 hours of "sleep" something is interfering in the quality of sleep,really doubtful any natty booster could instantly make you feel that much better.

[a_ahmed]

well today around 1ish i started feeling tired/yawning/dry eyes again.. unfortunately im out of that natty booster.

It's recommended dose is 2x2 pills a day. However, the actual purus labs reps even say to take 3x3 which is what really works for me. And as much as id love to say its all placebo/in the mind, its definitely not. I feel instantly better shortly afterwards unexplainably....

Thing is i ran out of it today so i only had two pills... didn't help that much so i ended up sleeping... i was suppose to work chest/shoulders/tris.... woke up now and well im going to push myself ot work out but i dont expect as an energetic work out as yesterday. I am feeling not horrible horrible like the whole last two weeks but i am constantly yawning/dry eyes... which then makes me feel very tired... I have some other natty boosters but they dont do what this natty booster does and simply looking at it... the ingridients don't match... the only other product that felt close was CEL pct assist... again not in it's normal dosage but 3x3... however the purus labs natty booster feels stronger and again comparing ingridients recycle has more variety + more g per ingridient vs pct assist...

[vakker]

^Your sir are an idiot. The section is dubbed HRT although conveniently used for steroids by most one would think that people would ask about HRT and HRT related problems/solutions. That being said I've gotten the answer I needed from someone that was not a douchebag. Secondly I work out/lift weights and noticing strength loss/other problems it only makes sense to go to some forums where you might find people who relate.

Secondly about the natty booster, yeah like I need it to live right? So I have to stock up on it all the time. You completely missed the whole point and are just a douche. I did actually order some until I see that doc and see what he may prescribe me as well as what the results will be of all my hormone levels. It is not a permanent solution obviously. Thanks anyways ;)

the power of suggestion is much more powerful than your natty booster or whatever garbage has become your miracle cure.

[a_ahmed]

Well update... to those that were attacking me and slandering me (posts got deleted by mods) fu....

I FINALLY got my appointment with my endo who specializes as recommended by a fellow member here (God bless thank you William!)... ive started injecting HCG and i already feel better.

Pretty much ALL the symptoms I was experiencing were on the list of symptoms...

Basically i put on a lot of fat and lost alot of muscle/strength in a very short time even started having recently joint and bone pains... terrible... not to mention lack of libido, (btw never get morning wood since high school), amongst other things... long story short well... my work outs according to my log have been worse and worse... less weight, less volume/reps, less routines, heck even less days as i was too exhausted/fatigued even if i slept 9-10 good hours id wake up shit...

Well... as soon as i injected placebo or not... soon afterwards ive started feeling better... workouts are rocking, i feel good even now at work sense of peace, euphoria, warmth in body, just how i felt in high school lol...

Doc has prescribed me this for 2 months and then we'll do blood work again... i want my wife to fall pregnant so we're working on that too... long term though i just might have to be on trt eh but we shall see.. or worst case scenario temporarily hcg+test until wife is pregnant then test by itself...

I am just greatful I discovered this, researched it enough and found a solution... imagine if im feeling crap now at 25... how id be feeling at 40-50... im kind of person that likes to be active and lifting weights is like my #1 hobby... would suck to suck now and basically fail miserably in life physically 40-50.. hell no.. i wana be lifting when im frickin 80 LOL :)

Anyways I have some sense of relief... since april until recently ive been in a nightmare physically and mentally as a result too... RETARDED doctors offering anti depresants and even a psychologists are clueless ****ing morons who would ruin your life ten fold with their ignorance.

[Ritch]

Just curioius, what`s the protocol the doc prescribed to you with the hcg?

[brawler32]

Hey Ahmed, its me William (yes my real first name) am glad you decided to go see the good Dr. Stick with his plan and follow his advice along with all the required tests and HRT he prescribes and you will be fine. I was doing HCG Solo 3X a week 400IU subq but it did not raise my Bioavailable testosterone high enough for my age so he added Testosterone Enanthate weekly shots and DAMN do I feel great mentally and physically. However I think I may need an Aromatase Inhibitor like Letrozole or so due to some water retention but I will ask him when I see him and try not to go the underground route. Remember to take time out the day to relax, pray and spend quality with your family and friends. When you go back to see the good Dr. ask him about prescribing some HMG for you (Google it) or read below

BIO-HMG™</STRONG> (Menotropins) stimulates the growth and maturation of follicles in women and also induces an increase of the oestrogen levels and a proliferation of the endometrium. In men it stimulates the spermatogenesis by acting on the production of the androgen binding protein in the seminiferous tubules of the sertoli cells.

In Men: BIO-HMG™ (Menotropins) is indicated for the stimulation of spermatogenesis in men who have primary or secondary hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism.


My friend was having fertility - Low Sperm Count issues and borderline low LH and FSH tests and the Good Dr. Treated with with HCG and HMG and his wife is currently pregnant. HMG is crazy expensive though and you will need to order it as most Pharmacies do not carry them.

Stay in touch and let me know how everything goes. Remember HRT is a long term committment so stay the course and don't give up.

[a_ahmed]

yeah i had trouble getting hcg too... ended up finding (ordering next day) at wallmart pharmacy... f'n 200 bux or something 3x 10,000iu vials... but insurance covered most of it so i paid 10 bux LOL (thank God). Got slin pins for 10 bux too (suppose to be 33 but insurance covered it too LOL siick)

I went with my wifey and we saw both docs the one with the b in the name (lol i forget was it?) and dr k. they said there is another doc they work with who comes sundays only for fertility speciality... so we're booked i guess two weeks from now to see him. I'll keep that in mind.

I'm only hcg, eod at .5cc (.5ml)... and i mixed the 10,000iu vial with the 10ml bacteriostatic water so that is i guess 500iu eod then? Suppose to do 2 months of this then do blood work and see for changes.

[brawler32]

Glad you finally saw the Dr. Did your blood work come in and how was it?
If you can find a Costco near by you can get HCG and other gear dirt cheap and their dispensing fee is only $4.11. Watch out for estrogen related gyno, water retention, etc from the HCG. I am 30lbs overweight, currently 230lbs @ 6ft Tall and would like to drop to 200lbs and lose all this belly fat. I started a Low Carb diet and dropped 7lbs in two weeks but had serious carb withdrawals for the first 3 days. I started another post asking how to reduce Estrogen levels with Scrips or Natural Supps but no one gave any decent recent response. Tomorrow I will be picking up my Delatestryl and start on Monday, just wish I could get hold of some Estrogen Blocker, maybe will have to wait to see the Good Dr. in six weeks. Please if anyone has any info on natural supps to lower estrogen please respond.

Thanks

[japh]

Why are you curious Ritch? lol

[a_ahmed]

Oh you put on 30lbs while on hcg? daymn... i dont want more fat lol one of the things that happened to me was muscle loss AND fat gain and im hoping this'll help me out the other way around haha

well letrozol, aromasin some things that come to mind.. formestane...

[brawler32]

No, I did not gain weight on HCG, I actually started dieting and losing weight naturally prior to HCG but somedays just did not have the drive or motivation to get in the gym, I am just curious about the estro side effects from HCG. Most times patients end up on HCG, TRT and AI as that is considered the gold standard in HRT, especially in the US. How are you feeling since the HCG?

[Ritch]

Why are you curious Ritch? lol

because on another forum somebody with similar problems as Ahmed was prescribed a once a week shot of 800iu`s. Didn`t make any sense to me. But 500iu eod seems like a good idea.

[a_ahmed]

i wonder how i should change up my diet or how much i should eat while on hcg to kind of take advantage of it lol... might as well... so much f'en fat :(

I'm feeling okay, i am going to inject today (excited), it does have a long half life (sort of) so i guess over time it'll get better... ultimately doc told me test+hcg is the way to go im okay with it i guess but i wana get my wifey preggers first lol. Then I can use my test-e I got and reap the gaainz >_> joke aside... hopefully in these two months my mood can improve and drive overall... but getting back muscle and losing ton shit of fat will be a mood elevator in itself.

Edit: Just to add I had a descent work out yesterday gotta admit and i felt like i coulda kept going more, i felt more aggressive while lifting which is imo very important... that drive... gona take a while to gain back all my strength/etc.......

I have 3 vials of test-e 250mg/ml, 1 hcg 10,000 vial (non prescribed), pharma clomid (non prescribed) and 2x 80 pills of est methyl vol (sdrol/superdrol -- dimethylmasteron)... that would definetely make me gain the strength/size/lose fat lol.. but i dun think i should do that :-/

I dropped strength/size on everything... weights/reps... well went frmo 300lbs squats to 200lbs struggling lol... yeah thats gay... and tons of fat around belly/mid section/love handle (:(). Weight went up from like frickin 170-175 to like 190 now and its not muscle boo :(

Today I am doing squats which i havent in a long time since this problem now since april.. more or less.. cuz i felt like im gona get crushed plus too exhausted.

I am also trying a new program as suggested by the doc... 75% max-ish weight... while doing 3 reps continously with 20second breaks in between for like 20 minutes... seems to stimulate me well so far... we shall see and ill gradually increase weight...