2 cycles cant decide

[Dragon1911]

Stats
31 years old
5'10"
190lbs
BF 12%

Been training 10+ years and have hit the wall.
Ive tried 5x5, Max-OT and a am currently on a 5 day on 2 day off schedule.

Monday-Chest
Tues-Back
Wed-Legs
Thurs-Shoulders
Friday-Arms

The reason i say i have hit the wall is i am having an extremely hard time getting a pump in the gym and growth has stopped.
Cycle history is 1 cycle of Sust and dbol about 7 years ago which i made some decent gains but was about 24 at the time.

Diet is clean consisting of oatmeal, eggs, brown rice, sweet potatoe, chicken, lean red meat. greens and fish, current macros at 40/40/20 for a total of 3500 calories per day.

Cant decide whether to go with one of the 2 following cycles.

1) TestE at 500mg per week for 10 weeks
or
2)Push it to 15weeks and add EQ in at 4-600mg per week
I like the thought of the added strength gains and vascularity.

PCT will vary depending on cycle
1)Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 and aromasin on hand to help during if bloat becomes an issue or with Nolva at the end.
2)HCG at week 16-18 around 750iu E3D then week 19-24
Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 again with Aromasin on hand to harden up during or at the end with the Nolva

Any help would be greatly appreciated

[L3]

i vote #2 with lower eq, like 300 a week..

[Dragon1911]

300 a week?

Have you run something similar with good results?

[budthespud]

Test E 500 mgs /week for 10-12 weeks !!
You don't need that much hcg ........250 every tthird/fourth day should be enough. Run it 2 weeks after your last shot of test. Then follow up with Nolva for PCT.

This is only your 2nd cycle so follow the KISS priniciple. ( Keep It Simple Stupid):beat

[Dragon1911]

Sorry Bud i wont be using the HCG for the test only cycle the PCT's are listed 1 and 2 to coincide with the 2 different cycles.

Sorry for the confusion.

[L3]

yep my first run with eq was 300... apetitle through the roof, running 150 EOD now, and am noticing more vascularity but my bf is lower as well

also, you should HCG regardless of which cycle you go with...

[Dragon1911]

Thanks man ill run the HCG for either then.
Maybe ill run it at 250iu twice a week throught instead of after that way i can wait my 2 weeks and jump into PCT without it.

[bigtavi8]

Go number 1 on that list and see how it goes to be back on since its been 7 years. Everything is bang on so just get your foot in the door (agian) then get complicated with it. After 7 years 500mg of test is gonna feel like the first time all over again.

[stacked]

I would go with the first cycle but run it for 12 weeks not 10.
Test E 500mg/week
Hcg starting week 2 250iu x 2/week
AI on hand
PCT 40/40/20/20/20 Nolva

[evoke]

I would go with the 1st, but add HCG for pct.

[Dragon1911]

What do you guys think about running the TestE for 10 weeks then to finish off add 3 weeks of prop at 100mg EOD wait a week and go into PCT.

I know its not the norm but was wondering if anyone has done anything like this.

[revolution187]

i dont see anything wrong with what ur proposing but to me it would make more sense to start with prop, what are u trying to accomplish by ending with prop? are u hoping to start pct sooner because prop will be out sooner? there is nothing wrong with ending with prop though but if i was given a choice i would start with it

[Ritch]

I`d start with it, and end with it. Get to pct sooner, end sooner, do another cycle sooner.

[Dragon1911]

Yeah main goal would be to jump into PCT sooner as i would be coming off prop and enth at the same time due to the esters and could start right into PCT.

I guess a jump start with prop could'nt hurt either

[L3]

or you just use prop the entire way through.. EOD pokes for the win :)

[Dragon1911]

Ive heard pinning EOD is good for all esters as it keeps blood levels stable=less sides.

I was thinking of pinning TestE Mon-Wed-Fri skip weekends
and if i add the prop pin EOD including weekends

[nii]

pinning TestE Mon-Wed-Fri skip weekends


I wouldnt suggest this, you may notice sides going from E2D to E3D then back. Stick to E2D or E3D, dont mix and match for convenience.

[Dragon1911]

I wouldnt suggest this, you may notice sides from going from E2D to E3D then back. Stick to E2D or E3D, dont mix and match for convenience.

Even with the enathate ester?

[Delt King]

I wouldnt suggest this, you may notice sides from going from E2D to E3D then back. Stick to E2D or E3D, dont mix and match for convenience.

agreed

[Dragon1911]

ok cool

[Avitoholis]

Starting with prop is a good idea, finishing with prop is an even better idea. After the prop ester clears the Test E will already be gone and then you can jump right into PCT. Or you could just do what L3 suggested and use prop the entire cycle which I think is a fantastic idea if you don't mind the pinning frequency. Use HCG throughout your cycle to avoid as much testicular atrophy as possible. Personally I would add the EQ at around 300-400mg per week, it is quite a mild steroid and will increase your endurance and appetite not to mention give you additional muscle gains. Don't get me wrong, you will likely make some serious gains with just the Test alone but I don't think EQ will overly complicate things. Just my opinion...

[Dragon1911]

Yeah im leaning towards the TestE at 500 and EQ at 300 a week.
The increased appetite and vascularity is appealing.

[Dragon1911]

If i was to start with prop would i reduce the TestE to 300 and add 200mg of prop to start to keep total at 500/week and then as i ramp up the E ramp down the prop?

Or simply add the prop at say 50mg eod with the enth at 500mg/week which would put me up to 700mg for the first 2 weeks and then drop the prop and stay at 500mg TestE for the duration.

[Avitoholis]

Option B looks good. If you really take into consideration the ester length of your Test E, it will actually accumulate in your body. After the first couple of weeks, if you shoot 250mg e3d, you will have an average of 900mg of test floating around your body. Check this link http://pct.befit4free.net/

[Dragon1911]

That calculator is pretty cool.
You can play around with dosing schedule to find the most stable blood profiles.
I moved from E3D to EOD and it droped the most Test in in the system to almost 700mg.

Nice find