First Cycle

[RagingRandy]

Looking for some advice on my first cycle. As background I am in my early 40's and packing a few extra pounds. I am in the boonies and do not have access to any way to get a true measurement of my BF. I have been lifting on a regular basis for about a year and have seen both strength and size gains.

What I am looking to do is drop some more weight (fat) and get leaner. I am not looking to get huge just lean and trim, MMA style. Actually, I used to train at a club that was one of the foreruners to this style of fighting. My club hosted an event with Royce Gracie. It was pretty cool.

I am more of a runner than lifter though I do not compete. I run for fun. Even with my extra weight I can post respectable times.

I was thinking about starting with a 10 week Test E cycle @ 400\week. Along with that I was going to cycle Clen every 2 weeks. I need to know if this is a decent start. I also need to know about a PCT and something to prevent hair loss. My family is prone to hair loss though I am holding out pretty good.

Thanks in advance

[bigdaddydrew123]

well you dont really need anabolics to get lean and trim.cardio plus training and diet will get you there. if your happy with size and are just looking to trim what you have just keep protein high watch your carbs and drink lots of water.youll be amazed at what diet alone can do especially if you havnt been strict with it b4

[IronRobi]

I completely agree with drew. NO steroid will cause you to burn fat. No matter what anybody tries to tell you. Diet and training will get you there. And not just cardio, lifting weights burns calories too!

[jjmac]

Yep, Test is a waste if your not doing it to gain. Some guys (very rare) can cut fat and gain muscle but I can't explain it. Basically if you want to gain muscle you need to eat huge, and to loose fat simply consume less calories than you burn in a day, eat cleaner do more cardio.

I would just cylce the Clen with a ECA (ephedrine, caffein, aspirin) 2 weeks clen 2 weeks eca, repeat. Eat healthy and up your cardio/training.

I feel you, I hate cardio and low cal diets with a passion but it's the only way, the clen and eca will help a little.

[RagingRandy]

Cardio is covered. I do 40 minutes on the treadmill @ 7 mph daily. As for diet I have bumped up the protein and reduced carbs. The reason I want to build some mass is to help in the weight loss. I know as I get older building and maintaining muscle becomes more difficult.

[fathead]

Yep, Test is a waste if your not doing it to gain. Some guys (very rare) can cut fat and gain muscle but I can't explain it. Basically if you want to gain muscle you need to eat huge, and to loose fat simply consume less calories than you burn in a day, eat cleaner do more cardio.

I would just cylce the Clen with a ECA (ephedrine, caffein, aspirin) 2 weeks clen 2 weeks eca, repeat. Eat healthy and up your cardio/training.

I feel you, I hate cardio and low cal diets with a passion but it's the only way, the clen and eca will help a little.


I disagree fully.

firstly, i like your cycle youve suggested RR. that is a moderate dose for a good amount of time (maybe 12 weeks a bit better but 10 may do).

secondly cycling eca and clen back to back doesnt work, they hit the same receptors and thus this defeats the entire purpose of what jjmac has suggested.

Drew did hit it on the head, you dont NEED gear to cut up, but mma guys, athletes and bb'ers dont NEED gear to cut up either.... but they use it.

Hormones have a lot to do with body composition and they can help you cut up if your diet is in check as well as your training.

Guy with good diet/training/gear > guy with good diet/training/natural.

So make sure you have a specific goal youre trying to reach, decide if you need the gear, and if you do, I have no problem with the cycle youve come up with.

[RagingRandy]

Fathead thanks for the input. Makes sense. Any recommends on the PCT and the hair loss prevention.

[Houstonbc]

If you're serious and it seems you are then i would do the test for sure. Being over 40 and never touched it i think it will give you a nice boost to your training and general well being while dieting. As for pct I always like to use h.c.g. and nolva. Seem as how your dose is pretty moderate I dont think you'll have much of a problem on the rebound

[IronRobi]

Cardio is covered. I do 40 minutes on the treadmill @ 7 mph daily. As for diet I have bumped up the protein and reduced carbs. The reason I want to build some mass is to help in the weight loss. I know as I get older building and maintaining muscle becomes more difficult.

These are 2 different things. In your first thread you said you wanted to lose fat. This one you are saying you want to build some mass. Unless you are part of the incredibly rare and small group with gifted genetics, you are not going to be able to do both at once. It is no secret that "muscle burns fat" as it requires more calories to be maintained. Putting on muscle will increase your basal metabolic rate. If your body is burning 200 more cals per day on it's own just by being alive, then you can potentially burn fat without changing anything else.

My advise to you is pick 1 goal at a time. If you're looking to gain mass your Test only cycle does look just fine. First cycle should always be just test and 400mg/week is not too extreme of a dosage. Based on your age and decreasing Test levels, you could probably get away with 250mg/week and see huge results. If you only want to lose the fat, follow Drew's advise. I've seen that guy on stage and if he says you don't need it to burn fat, I know for sure I would listen to him.

[gottty]

I would try some anvar. Reffer to anabolic refference guide for cycling. I have never tryed it but I hear it works wonders for powerlifters. It doesn't bulk you up and keeps your muscle hard. Only draw back is it costs a little more.

[GTZ3]

anything to compete with Fedor.

In all seriousness for your goals theres really no sense in using the steroids. Some GH would probably be a good way to stay lean, add a bit of muscle, and keep your connective tissue in great shape though, but still nothing improved diet and better training couldnt handle IMO.

New btw, hello all

[RagingRandy]

These are 2 different things. In your first thread you said you wanted to lose fat. This one you are saying you want to build some mass. Unless you are part of the incredibly rare and small group with gifted genetics, you are not going to be able to do both at once. It is no secret that "muscle burns fat" as it requires more calories to be maintained. Putting on muscle will increase your basal metabolic rate. If your body is burning 200 more cals per day on it's own just by being alive, then you can potentially burn fat without changing anything else.

My advise to you is pick 1 goal at a time. If you're looking to gain mass your Test only cycle does look just fine. First cycle should always be just test and 400mg/week is not too extreme of a dosage. Based on your age and decreasing Test levels, you could probably get away with 250mg/week and see huge results. If you only want to lose the fat, follow Drew's advise. I've seen that guy on stage and if he says you don't need it to burn fat, I know for sure I would listen to him.
Sorry for the confusion. I was stating my long term goal. I know there will be steps in between. First step I thought should be to put on some muscle to aid in my final goal of dropping some fat.

[RagingRandy]

I would try some anvar. Reffer to anabolic refference guide for cycling. I have never tryed it but I hear it works wonders for powerlifters. It doesn't bulk you up and keeps your muscle hard. Only draw back is it costs a little more.
I will probably do so at a later date. All the reading I have done says the first cycle should be Test only.

[bigdaddydrew123]

I will probably do so at a later date. All the reading I have done says the first cycle should be Test only.
yes test is always a good first cycle . your first post is a good cycle for gaining some mass and it can also help burn fat if diet is in check. just you never mentioned you wanted to add size as well. dont forget extra muscle is extra calories burned and if you drink lots h2o and keep carbs in check you should be happy witth results.

[fathead]

RR- for hairloss get a script from you doc for finastred or proscar. the 5mg tabs are MUCH cheaper so specify this to your doc... split them into 1/4 (1.25mg each) and take 1 a day every day, you may want to consider taking it for a short period before you start in order to build a bit of a buffer. You can also get this from certain sources, but id go to the doc cause it will be better and probably cheaper.

PCT- i agree with what was suggested by houstenbc pretty much. I find that i dont crash really hard especially on doses like the ones you plan to be using so agressive pct's do me more harm than good.

I personally run nolva 40mg/day for 14 days followed by 20mg/day for 14 more days with arimidex at 1mg everyday, all of this beginning after whatever im taking is clear of my system. HCG can also be tossed in there before you finish your cycle to get everything up and running before you come off.

Many will tell you to take clomid, thats not bad advice, I just hate it and dont think its neccesary for me or worth the sides it can cause.

good luck.

[td1111]

These are 2 different things. In your first thread you said you wanted to lose fat. This one you are saying you want to build some mass. Unless you are part of the incredibly rare and small group with gifted genetics, you are not going to be able to do both at once.
I have terrible genetics, but unintentionally gained some decent muscle when I started my recent cutting cycle, simply eating high protien. Remember, that a steroid "signals" muscle growth, and it can still happen in a lower-calorie environment. The body can use it's own fat for energy and still build muscle with protein.

[RagingRandy]

Thanks for all the advice. I am heading out on vacation in a couple weeks and will start on my return. I will keep you posted with results.