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turboturist
12-04-2010, 06:49 PM
The main event was the most surprising fight of the night—by a gargantuan margin.

Again, I’m a big believer that anything can happen in the Octagon. Yet, if someone told me that Anderson Silva was going to run away from Demian Maia for nearly a full round, I would have asked if they had received permission to leave the insane asylum.

Silva jumping on his moped wasn’t the only first for the champion. He also set two new UFC records. Thus, there was a little bit of everything—good, bad and ugly.

Let’s start with the positives.

Silva continues to both set and extend UFC records. Saturday’s win added to his growing legacy of greatness.

Maia was his eleventh consecutive win, adding one more to the record he took from Royce Gracie and Jon Fitch in August of last year. The closest threats to catch him are Lyoto Machida, who currently sits at eight, and both Gray Maynard and Georges St-Pierre sit at seven. Cain Velasquez has won six in a row. Nobody else is within five wins. Silva may be able to remove GSP from the equation if a rumored matchup between the pound-for-pound rulers materializes in the future.

In addition to extending his record for consecutive wins, Silva established a new standard of greatness for consecutive successful title defenses. He was tied with Matt Hughes and Tito Ortiz with five consecutive successful defenses coming into UFC 112. He now stands alone with six. Keep in mind that he also has three non-title wins during that stretch—two in special attractions at light heavy and one at middleweight when Travis Lutter failed to make weight, which altered the proposed championship bout to a three-round non-title affair.

Say what you will about his effort in Abu Dhabi, but fans must recognize that Silva remains as close to unbeatable as any fighter we have in the UFC.

Now, it’s time to move to the bad.

It is crystal clear after Saturday’s fight that Silva has no idea how to deal with a counterstriker. Silva is an extreme counterstriker. He is expert at capitalizing on an opponent’s mistake with fight-ending salvos. He is not, by contrast, comfortable forcing the action.

Fans have made a lot about Silva’s perceived aggressiveness in the first two rounds. I disagree. His aggression was limited to feints and taunts. He repeatedly came within striking distance of his foe but refused to pull the trigger. He threw just enough jabs and straight left hands to bloody and batter his foe, though he certainly did not try to bring the action to a sudden conclusion.

His attacks through the first two rounds reminded me a lot of Mike Tyson’s 1987 title fight against Tyrell Biggs. Tyson had a healthy dislike for Biggs, who had defeated Tyson in the amateurs and then lit into the undisputed heavyweight champion with venomous trash talking in the weeks leading up to their title fight. Tyson battered Biggs mercilessly with lone power punches, though the savage combinations that made him one of the most feared heavyweights in history were noticeably absent. Tyson admitted afterward that he carried Biggs for several rounds so that he could inflict additional punishment in an attempt to prove a point.

Silva claimed to be doing the same thing with Maia, who apparently made comments that pulled at the core of the champion’s pride. I’m willing to buy into that theory to a degree, but I think the bigger factor in the first three rounds was Maia’s refusal to attack with reckless aggression, something that Silva deals with better than anyone in the world. If Silva truly wants to go down in history as the best to ever step into the cage, he needs to learn how to take the lead, otherwise all of his fights against counterstrikers run the risk of being lackluster engagements.

Of course, let’s not forget about the ugly.

First and foremost, I cannot believe that I witnessed Silva running circles around the ring in the final round. Maia was attacking with punches, and Silva wanted nothing to do with him. Keep in mind that Silva’s standup skills are exponentially superior to those of Maia. Had he planted his feet and gone to war, the fight would have ended with a spectacular knockout. Yet, he chose to run. And I’m not exaggerating either. Toward the end of the round, referee Dan Miragliotta actually paused the action and warned the champion that if he continued his antics, he would lose a point. That has only happened a handful of times in the history of the UFC, and the fact that it happened due to Silva’s unwillingness to engage with a fighter not know for his striking is probably the most stunning turn of events that I’ve ever witnessed in the Octagon.

Only Silva knows why he was running. Of course, I have a theory.

The champion admitted afterward that Maia surprised him with his punches. I’m going to take that one step further. I think that Maia hurt him on several occasions with left crosses on the button.

I can think of three distinct moments when Maia landed beautiful left hands squarely on Silva’s jaw. I also remember the look on Silva’s face when those punches connected. He was surprised. If he wasn’t comfortably ahead on points, maybe he would have engaged at that moment. But again, that is not his temperament.

Thus, he remained passive, which allowed Maia to land a few more punches. Silva is lucky that he was facing Maia because the challenger lacks any real juice in his punches. I’ll say it now and will not back down from the statement: had he faced his original opponent and allowed those shots to land, he would have been knocked out with the first one.

That’s right, I said it. Vitor Belfort would have beaten Silva if he were the one throwing those left hands. Belfort, like Silva, is a counterstriker. He greatly prefers to react to an opponent’s attack than to initiate the action, though he will cautiously press forward if there is no other choice.

The difference between Belfort and Maia is that Belfort has knockout power in his punches. The best thing that happened to Silva’s legacy was Belfort pulling out of the fight due to an injured shoulder that required surgical repair. The problem, though, is that Belfort will be ready to go later this summer, and he poses the most significant threat for Silva in the division, bar none. Go back and watch Belfort’s middleweight bouts. He is absolutely destroying guys at this weight, and there is no reason to think that he won’t destroy Silva if the champion doesn’t figure out how to deal with counterstrikers.

Was Saturday night the first sign of weakness in man previously perceived to be unbeatable? Will he actually suffer his first UFC loss in his next bout? Will that bout be at middleweight against Belfort, at welterweight or middleweight against GSP or at a weight north of middleweight against a monstrous opponent? Will Silva respond to this effort by giving the fans a career-defining effort next time out? I don’t know the answers to any of those questions, but I am waiting with baited breath to see what happens because I’m sure Dana White has something in store for the champion in his next fight. That much I’m sure of.

guest
12-04-2010, 08:38 PM
good read.

BAM
12-04-2010, 08:39 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tan6_vitor-belfort-highlights_extreme

turboturist
12-04-2010, 09:11 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tan6_vitor-belfort-highlights_extreme

Its a nice highlight but does not show his recent dominance at MW, his last 4 of 5 fight ended in TKO or knockouts. The one over Lindland was brutal.

He def has the tools to press that action and beat Silva.

We seen what he did to Franklin.

here is the lindland fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiETcFxbLrg

physique
13-04-2010, 02:32 AM
his lack of respect for the sport and what he does in the ring is growing tiresome.
fans are already talking about not watching pay per views if he is fighting in, and dana isnt happy either.

it wont be long before the ufc says by by spider, as they wont let their bottom line be affected for long.

Bowlcut
13-04-2010, 10:00 AM
his lack of respect for the sport and what he does in the ring is growing tiresome.
fans are already talking about not watching pay per views if he is fighting in, and dana isnt happy either.

it wont be long before the ufc says by by spider, as they wont let their bottom line be affected for long.

Smart post.
UFC is sports entertainment and it is hard for people to spend money watching Silva fight.

champion99
13-04-2010, 10:27 AM
Smart post.
UFC is sports entertainment and it is hard for people to spend money watching Silva fight.
I agree..

turboturist
13-04-2010, 10:36 AM
The thing is if you get rid of the guy then anybody that holds the belt after him will be considered a paper champ because they never beat Silva. And I dont think they will risk this either.

It was said that they might be putting him on the undercard.....

natenator
13-04-2010, 10:48 AM
The thing is if you get rid of the guy then anybody that holds the belt after him will be considered a paper champ because they never beat Silva. And I dont think they will risk this either.

It was said that they might be putting him on the undercard.....
Pretty pathetic to have a champ and once your poster boy as an undercard.

Part of paying him what he is paid is the fact a fighter can draw and if he cant draw then he is not worth his payout. I suspect when it comes time to renegotiate Dana will put in contract provisions that his payout is dependent upon PPV income. If no one wants to watch his PPV then he doesn't get paid that much.

Anyone think he's doing this on purpose to get out of his UFC contract and go fight for another organization?

evoke
13-04-2010, 11:05 AM
They will never pair him up with a BJJ specialist again, i'm sure.
They're going to give Anderson someone who will engage, like the way they gave him Griffin after the Leites fight.
I hope they give him Vitor, or someone at LHW.

turboturist
13-04-2010, 02:03 PM
Pretty pathetic to have a champ and once your poster boy as an undercard.

Part of paying him what he is paid is the fact a fighter can draw and if he cant draw then he is not worth his payout. I suspect when it comes time to renegotiate Dana will put in contract provisions that his payout is dependent upon PPV income. If no one wants to watch his PPV then he doesn't get paid that much.

Anyone think he's doing this on purpose to get out of his UFC contract and go fight for another organization?

From what I understand is with the way the UFC's contracts are written the champs have a long standing contract that can not be terminated be either side unless it goes to court, or if someone breaches the contract which then leaves the door open for legal ramifications.

So if Silva wants out he needs to lose so he can leave and if the UFC want him to leave they need to find someone to beat him. Not sure if I understand that the right way or not.

And Dana already mentioned in a couple interviews that he could be the first champ to fight on the undercard.

cog
13-04-2010, 02:28 PM
Pretty pathetic to have a champ and once your poster boy as an undercard.

Part of paying him what he is paid is the fact a fighter can draw and if he cant draw then he is not worth his payout. I suspect when it comes time to renegotiate Dana will put in contract provisions that his payout is dependent upon PPV income. If no one wants to watch his PPV then he doesn't get paid that much.

Anyone think he's doing this on purpose to get out of his UFC contract and go fight for another organization?

Yes.Maybe he would like to go fight Fedor?

JacktheThriller
14-04-2010, 03:11 AM
that was a bust card anyway, edgar fight had action but no danger, hughes fight just went on way to long, silva fight was sad i turned it off

evoke
14-04-2010, 11:17 AM
If Anderson runs from his opponent one more time, I would agree with Dana putting AS on the undercard.

He's an extremely talented athlete, but this running bullshit has to stop.

Summary of the Maia fight:

http://i44.tinypic.com/mujt6s.jpg

rob66679
15-04-2010, 08:26 PM
From what I understand is with the way the UFC's contracts are written the champs have a long standing contract that can not be terminated be either side unless it goes to court, or if someone breaches the contract which then leaves the door open for legal ramifications.

So if Silva wants out he needs to lose so he can leave and if the UFC want him to leave they need to find someone to beat him. Not sure if I understand that the right way or not.

And Dana already mentioned in a couple interviews that he could be the first champ to fight on the undercard.

I know a UFC Champion can't leave with the title..... Don't know if he can be cut though.
I don't think theres any provision in any UFC contract that doesn't **** the fighter in the ass though.

You guys said it.... Sports entertainment, just like the WWE.
**** Dana White, he's a greedy pig.

champion99
15-04-2010, 08:40 PM
I just watched a interview with Dana and he states if silva pulls that shit again he's going to cut him from the UFC

Praetorian
16-04-2010, 02:05 PM
I know a UFC Champion can't leave with the title..... Don't know if he can be cut though.
I don't think theres any provision in any UFC contract that doesn't **** the fighter in the ass though.

You guys said it.... Sports entertainment, just like the WWE.
**** Dana White, he's a greedy pig.

They sure can be cut and have...see below:

Shamrock sued UFC over having one fight left on his contract and getting cut. UFC not only defeated Shamrock in civil court, but the judge in the case (Susan H. Johnson) awarded Zuffa’s motion to get all their court costs covered. That means Ken Shamrock is stuck with a $175,000 legal bill. For Shamrock, it’s a disastrous ruling given his reportedly perilous financial situation.

This is what Dana said Tuesday...

A message has been sent to UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva. Fight or go home.

UFC president Dana White announced on Tuesday, when appearing on ESPN's “Jim Rome is Burning,” that Silva would face top contender Chael Sonnen for his next fight, and if he pulls any of the antics that he did at UFC 112, he will be cut.

First up on the agenda was the official announcement that Sonnen, who has long lobbed strong words towards Silva, would be the next fighter to challenge Silva for his title belt.

"He's got a real tough fight coming up. His next fight's going to be against Chael Sonnen, and Chael Sonnen's one of these guys who's not going to lay back, not do what these other guys (did)," White told Rome.

He believes that Sonnen's style will not allow for any showboating or avoidance, as Silva showed in his last fight with Demian Maia.

"When he's been in this position when these types of fights have happened, it's been against real good jiu-jitsu guys, guys that want to get the fight to the ground. Well, Chael Sonnen's going to want to take this fight to the ground, but he's going to double leg him and bring him down," said White.

"Personally, I really believe that he was embarrassed by what happened that night, maybe he did have a mental breakdown, I don't know what happened in the ring. All I can say is I know his next opponent isn't going to be a guy who's going to lay back and let him do stuff like that."

Regardless of the opponent, a message has been sent, and White wants Silva to hear it loud and clear.

"If he ever acts like that again in the ring, I will cut him," said the UFC president. "I don't care if he's the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I don't care if he is the middleweight champion. I will cut him, absolutely."

There was no date announced for the Silva vs. Sonnen match-up, but it's likely for a summertime affair between the two middleweight competitors.



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rob66679
16-04-2010, 11:19 PM
What can you say?
Its great for the fans to watch the best possible matchups, and its horrible for the fighters who have to fight 4 times a year to make 1/10 of what Floyed Mayweather makes for a single fight.
Mayweathers last fight he made 30 million, Lesnar's the highest paid UFC fighter at 400k per fight win or lose.

Watching the UFC for me is like shopping at Wallmart. You know in your heart your contributing to something wrong but you do it anyway.

Dana White is a parasite.

turboturist
17-04-2010, 01:30 AM
They sure can be cut and have...see below:

Shamrock sued UFC over having one fight left on his contract and getting cut. UFC not only defeated Shamrock in civil court, but the judge in the case (Susan H. Johnson) awarded Zuffa’s motion to get all their court costs covered. That means Ken Shamrock is stuck with a $175,000 legal bill. For Shamrock, it’s a disastrous ruling given his reportedly perilous financial situation.

This is what Dana said Tuesday...

A message has been sent to UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva. Fight or go home.

UFC president Dana White announced on Tuesday, when appearing on ESPN's “Jim Rome is Burning,” that Silva would face top contender Chael Sonnen for his next fight, and if he pulls any of the antics that he did at UFC 112, he will be cut.

First up on the agenda was the official announcement that Sonnen, who has long lobbed strong words towards Silva, would be the next fighter to challenge Silva for his title belt.

"He's got a real tough fight coming up. His next fight's going to be against Chael Sonnen, and Chael Sonnen's one of these guys who's not going to lay back, not do what these other guys (did)," White told Rome.

He believes that Sonnen's style will not allow for any showboating or avoidance, as Silva showed in his last fight with Demian Maia.

"When he's been in this position when these types of fights have happened, it's been against real good jiu-jitsu guys, guys that want to get the fight to the ground. Well, Chael Sonnen's going to want to take this fight to the ground, but he's going to double leg him and bring him down," said White.

"Personally, I really believe that he was embarrassed by what happened that night, maybe he did have a mental breakdown, I don't know what happened in the ring. All I can say is I know his next opponent isn't going to be a guy who's going to lay back and let him do stuff like that."

Regardless of the opponent, a message has been sent, and White wants Silva to hear it loud and clear.

"If he ever acts like that again in the ring, I will cut him," said the UFC president. "I don't care if he's the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I don't care if he is the middleweight champion. I will cut him, absolutely."

There was no date announced for the Silva vs. Sonnen match-up, but it's likely for a summertime affair between the two middleweight competitors.



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I never said they would have a problem cutting a fighter, but a champion is different at least I thought so. Ken Shamrock was not a champion when he got cut.

And since when did anyone start believing what Dana White says.....

turboturist
17-04-2010, 01:32 AM
I also think they need to give Vitor the shot he deserves before he had his surgery before some other schmo gets it.

rob66679
17-04-2010, 06:57 PM
I also think they need to give Vitor the shot he deserves before he had his surgery before some other schmo gets it.

Just to play Devil's advocate, I don't really think knocking out a completely shot Rich Franklin should automatically make him the #1 contender.
Vitor looks really good when he wins because he's a stand up fighter, but he's also a pretty one dimensonal guy....I don't think Silva would have much trouble.

guest
17-04-2010, 08:55 PM
yeah, Vitor really went for a shit there for a few years, it's going to take a bit more from him to win back my vote.

turboturist
17-04-2010, 09:27 PM
yeah, Vitor really went for a shit there for a few years, it's going to take a bit more from him to win back my vote.

Really? Even with his performance in the last three fights....

Not that Martin, Lindland, and Franklin are special but shit he knocked them all out pretty quickly.

guest
17-04-2010, 10:09 PM
Really? Even with his performance in the last three fights....

Not that Martin, Lindland, and Franklin are special but shit he knocked them all out pretty quickly.

well, even though he gave lindland temporary cerebral palsy and knocked martin and Franklin into next week......i think silva would have done as much or more to them but faster and more precisely.

vitor also likes to counter punch, could make for a boring fight.

turboturist
18-04-2010, 07:37 PM
well, even though he gave lindland temporary cerebral palsy and knocked martin and Franklin into next week......i think silva would have done as much or more to them but faster and more precisely.

vitor also likes to counter punch, could make for a boring fight.

Well its not often we disagree when it comes to fighters so I am kinda hoping this happens sooner that later now....

After Silva knocks the politician out hopefully Vitor is his next test.

turboturist
18-04-2010, 07:39 PM
And just to be an ass Vitor knocked Franklin out quicker than Silva, :), at least in the last one.

guest
18-04-2010, 09:13 PM
And just to be an ass Vitor knocked Franklin out quicker than Silva, :), at least in the last one.

not in such a spectacular fashion though! :D

i don't think Vitor is useless, i know he is good, i just have some doubts about him KOing Silva. but at this point i would love to see anyone KO Silva, Chael or Vitor, and bring him back to earth.

rob66679
18-04-2010, 10:19 PM
And just to be an ass Vitor knocked Franklin out quicker than Silva, :), at least in the last one.

Silva did it first though, before Rich knew how to lose.
Sometimes fighters get a beating and they are never the same after, and IMHO Silva ruined Franklin in those fights.

cog
18-04-2010, 10:46 PM
For his own sake I really think Franklin should retire while he can still clearly consider it.

turboturist
18-04-2010, 10:47 PM
Silva did it first though, before Rich knew how to lose.
Sometimes fighters get a beating and they are never the same after, and IMHO Silva ruined Franklin in those fights.

Can't argure with logic, I just feel Vitor is at the top of my list to beat Silva. I had a couple others in mind until SF this weekend, and jones has good shot as well IMO.

turboturist
18-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Although I still think mousassi would give him arun as well.

rob66679
19-04-2010, 01:36 PM
Can't argure with logic, I just feel Vitor is at the top of my list to beat Silva. I had a couple others in mind until SF this weekend, and jones has good shot as well IMO.

I think Silva/Belfort would be very interesting to watch, especially if Silva stood with him. That could be a hell of a fight.

Jones has looked unstoppable so far, he demolished Vera and that deaf guy.
Theres a ton of guys at 205 too.

cog
19-04-2010, 08:48 PM
Although I still think mousassi would give him arun as well.

Wow.

cog
19-04-2010, 08:49 PM
I think Silva/Belfort would be very interesting to watch, especially if Silva stood with him. That could be a hell of a fight.

Jones has looked unstoppable so far, he demolished Vera and that deaf guy.
Theres a ton of guys at 205 too.

Jones.

turboturist
19-04-2010, 09:39 PM
Wow.

Ya, He would have to come in in better shape than he did this weekend but the dude is young and has skills. You dont win 16 fights in a row without being a good fighter.

cog
21-04-2010, 09:40 PM
I was impressed by those whip-like blows from his back....