Phil Heath - 7 years

[519Muscle]

Seen this somewhere else thought i'd post it here, imo he has the best genetics in bodybuilding. (03-10)

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[#8]

that is the difference between pre GH abuse and post GH abuse. Freaky ****ing growth. Unreal.

[L3]

progress pics are the best, esp when its the pros!

good post

[natenator]

that is the difference between pre GH abuse and post GH abuse. Freaky ****ing growth. Unreal.
you are a tool and an ignorant one at that.

Once again a someone who has no clue what it takes to make it to that level. Genetics yes. Drugs, sure. But consistent hardcore training and serious eating day after day, month after month, year after year.

There are no missed training days. There are no missed meals. Period.

[steve_d]

that is the difference between pre GH abuse and post GH abuse. Freaky ****ing growth. Unreal.

the other thing you have to remember is that this is a 23 yr old compared to a 30 yr old. This isn't pre vs post gh looks like. For all we know, he could have had GH in the pre pictures.

[Ritch]

Now that`s pure muscle. His waist hasen`t gotten bigger, this guy represents bodybuilding well. Great physique, looks good and is well spoken.

[champion99]

you are a tool and an ignorant one at that.

Once again a someone who has no clue what it takes to make it to that level.
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OUCH

[JifeLacket]

Drugs are just the icing on the cake.. in bb'ing they are a little more important for size, maintaining muscle etc etc but its like any other sport.. genetics, and hard ****ing work and dedication like nate says.

[sinbad]

Incredible transformation. He'll be Mr. Olympia eventually.

[Prisoner#22]

His only draw back is the same that Levrone's was. His clavicle length is not long enough to win overalls ever. period. H looks really good but when compared from the back a lot of guys have better width than him, and he can't really overcome that, But I think he will be in the top 5 for a lot of years.

[C.Cruise]

you are a tool and an ignorant one at that.

Once again a someone who has no clue what it takes to make it to that level. Genetics yes. Drugs, sure. But consistent hardcore training and serious eating day after day, month after month, year after year.

There are no missed training days. There are no missed meals. Period.

Concur, very well said.

[Mastagon]

awesome progress on his legs

[C.Cruise]

said it right in this months MD;
"sometimes when you open up MD and see pictures of Branch, Kai, or Jay Cutler........
but have you seen these 3 guys bust their assess for almost 20 years, and have you seen them go through disappointments, obstacles, and challenging situations"

Everyone likes to think there is a miracle stack or secret to packing on the sheer size that these guys have, but they have all been at it for a long time....

Do the math... If Jay has been a bodybuilder for almost 20 years.... 5 lbs of muscle gained per year= 100 lbs ....5 X 20= 100 so you take someone who was once 200 lbs and over 20 years is now 300 lbs off season.

[Jazzy]

Wow...Very impressing, what a difference! O_O

[#8]

lol i agree he worked hard. but i feel as if some of those guys looked better pre serious drug abuse like the old coleman, and the old H.

when they get freaky huge I can no longer attribute it to JUST hard work, otherwise arnold would have been 295 lean too.

[rickyboy36]

lol i agree he worked hard. but i feel as if some of those guys looked better pre serious drug abuse like the old coleman, and the old H.

when they get freaky huge I can no longer attribute it to JUST hard work, otherwise arnold would have been 295 lean too.

Give me the exact same thing that heath took those last three yrs and i guarantee you i wont even come close to gaining as much as he did.Even if i doubled,tripled his doses and became a mega abuser it still wouldnt matter.I could train like him..eat like him and do every other tiny little thing he did/does and it still will be pointless.Its all genetics in his case(of course with hard work and good diet) and im pretty damn sure he didnt/doesnt abuse GH or steroids anymore than what other professionals dose with.And even if he did "abuse",it would not account for that massive muscle gain.It might represent 5% of what he gained and thats "IF" he did in fact mega abuse more than "the norm".

People still cant their facts right about steroids..They will only help you to a certain point.Thats all....

[BAM]

*cough* are people saying that drugs did not play a 'significant' role in the development of Heaths body?

[#8]

^^ seriously? hard work, dedication, and genetics. he has all of those things for sure. but it simply cannot be said that these guys dont have access to better and stronger drugs than did the BB of the earlier ages.

[Ritch]

Give me the exact same thing that heath took those last three yrs and i guarantee you i wont even come close to gaining as much as he did.Even if i doubled,tripled his doses and became a mega abuser it still wouldnt matter.I could train like him..eat like him and do every other tiny little thing he did/does and it still will be pointless.Its all genetics in his case(of course with hard work and good diet) and im pretty damn sure he didnt/doesnt abuse GH or steroids anymore than what other professionals dose with.And even if he did "abuse",it would not account for that massive muscle gain.It might represent 5% of what he gained and thats "IF" he did in fact mega abuse more than "the norm".

People still cant their facts right about steroids..They will only help you to a certain point.Thats all....

5% you say? Please tell me that`s sarcasm. You think they would risk their health and lives for 5% of extra muslce?

[rickyboy36]

5% you say? Please tell me that`s sarcasm. You think they would risk their health and lives for 5% of extra muslce?

To answer your question:yes and yes.At that stage all you care about is getting bigger and winning..especially if you know you have the potentiel of going far.Of course this is not everyone,but in many cases yes.To them they dont see it as a risk really.They see it as a means to an end.

How much muscle do you think a pro is going to gain in a yr even with an abusive mega dosing schedule??12-14lbs perhaps??Compared to what..10lbs?..It wont give you that much more than what your body was going to give you if you hadent abused the substances..especially when someone is already pretty big.In Heath's case..he has the genetics to get big fast..without mega dosing.And if he did mega dose,it wouldnt of added on much more than doing the way he did it.But people are inclined to think that because we rarely see people getting big that quickly.

[rickyboy36]

^^ seriously? hard work, dedication, and genetics. he has all of those things for sure. but it simply cannot be said that these guys dont have access to better and stronger drugs than did the BB of the earlier ages.

Yes you are right,they have access to better drugs.But that to me isnt mega dosing or abusing.They just have access to better stuff which in turn helps them put on muscle faster.Maybe in the future with myostatin(spelling?) future bodybuilder will be much bigger than today.Will we call that abuse as well?Or just a shift in "technologies" so to speak..

[rickyboy36]

*cough* are people saying that drugs did not play a 'significant' role in the development of Heaths body?

Drugs play a significant role in EVERYONES body.But in Heath's case it more than just drugs.It his genetic reaction to the drugs.

[Ritch]

To answer your question:yes and yes.At that stage all you care about is getting bigger and winning..especially if you know you have the potentiel of going far.Of course this is not everyone,but in many cases yes.To them they dont see it as a risk really.They see it as a means to an end.

How much muscle do you think a pro is going to gain in a yr even with an abusive mega dosing schedule??12-14lbs perhaps??Compared to what..10lbs?..It wont give you that much more than what your body was going to give you if you hadent abused the substances..especially when someone is already pretty big.In Heath's case..he has the genetics to get big fast..without mega dosing.And if he did mega dose,it wouldnt of added on much more than doing the way he did it.But people are inclined to think that because we rarely see people getting big that quickly.

Well if you don`t think guys who are already big who start mega dosing don`t get significant results, I say look no further than Ronnie and Kai...

[rickyboy36]

Well if you don`t think guys who are already big who start mega dosing don`t get significant results, I say look no further than Ronnie and Kai...

I agree Ritch..but 4-6lbs extra at that stage compared to what they would of achieved otherwise is what "most" would get with mega dosing.And Yes,that would be considered "significant".Im telling you,most wont gain much more than that.Some on the other hand mega dose day in and day out,just to acquire that extra 4 lbs just so they can remain within the pack.They do this cause of faulty genetics,and of course reap the harsh conditions that go with it.Heath's body allows him to pack on "more" mass and perhaps more than the traditional 4lbs that others get mega dosing.And yes,you are right about Ronnie,he was one of them that responded well(so to speak) to high doses.

I guess what im saying is that Most pro's have very good genetics towards drugs and such.Its just that heath has INCREDIBLE ones for gaining mass quickly,regardless of what he takes.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Well if you don`t think guys who are already big who start mega dosing don`t get significant results, I say look no further than Ronnie and Kai...

People should get their heads out of their asses, really, synthol, mega-dosing of anabolics and growth hormone factors and the king of hormones, insulin, are all prevalent in the top bodybuilders and all the way down to amatures fighting for pro-cards, most of these guys cruise on a gram of test and have probably done so since they started, Ronnie Coleman turned pro natural, yeh sure, whatever, ****in prove it already. Genetics shmetics, if you stuck me in a cage fed me 12 pounds of food a day and all I did was eat and train 2 hours a day and while I slept an intravenous solution of testosterone and growth hormone was trickled into me I would get pretty ****ing big after 7 years and so would everyone else here Then we would find out how rare bodybuilding genetics really are.

[Ritch]

People should get their heads out of their asses, really, synthol, mega-dosing of anabolics and growth hormone factors and the king of hormones, insulin, are all prevalent in the top bodybuilders and all the way down to amatures fighting for pro-cards, most of these guys cruise on a gram of test and have probably done so since they started, Ronnie Coleman turned pro natural, yeh sure, whatever, ****in prove it already. Genetics shmetics, if you stuck me in a cage fed me 12 pounds of food a day and all I did was eat and train 2 hours a day and while I slept an intravenous solution of testosterone and growth hormone was trickled into me I would get pretty ****ing big after 7 years and so would everyone else here Then we would find out how rare bodybuilding genetics really are.

This is just going to turn into a pissing match. Can I prove what I said? No. Can you back up your statements? I doubt it. It`s all speculation.

[Ritch]

I agree Ritch..but 4-6lbs extra at that stage compared to what they would of achieved otherwise is what "most" would get with mega dosing.And Yes,that would be considered "significant".Im telling you,most wont gain much more than that.Some on the other hand mega dose day in and day out,just to acquire that extra 4 lbs just so they can remain within the pack.They do this cause of faulty genetics,and of course reap the harsh conditions that go with it.Heath's body allows him to pack on "more" mass and perhaps more than the traditional 4lbs that others get mega dosing.And yes,you are right about Ronnie,he was one of them that responded well(so to speak) to high doses.

I guess what im saying is that Most pro's have very good genetics towards drugs and such.Its just that heath has INCREDIBLE ones for gaining mass quickly,regardless of what he takes.

Good post, again it`s speculation but agrees with my logic.

[#8]

People should get their heads out of their asses, really, synthol, mega-dosing of anabolics and growth hormone factors and the king of hormones, insulin, are all prevalent in the top bodybuilders and all the way down to amatures fighting for pro-cards, most of these guys cruise on a gram of test and have probably done so since they started, Ronnie Coleman turned pro natural, yeh sure, whatever, ****in prove it already. Genetics shmetics, if you stuck me in a cage fed me 12 pounds of food a day and all I did was eat and train 2 hours a day and while I slept an intravenous solution of testosterone and growth hormone was trickled into me I would get pretty ****ing big after 7 years and so would everyone else here Then we would find out how rare bodybuilding genetics really are.

this is pretty much what i am saying also. i do not have the patience or the dedication to achieve the level of any competitive bodybuilder let alone a pro, but the level of drug use is one of if not the biggest factor. look how many "natural" bodybuilders there are out there who claim to never have touched sauce. they are MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller than even the smallest pro of their class. ones genetics dictate only so much i feel. H got to where he was by living it, and working hard, but he NEVER would have gotten there without GH and whatever else he was using.

[Ritch]

What I really find dumb and I can`t help but fall into this category myself is that we judge how the person looks. If he has nice lines and a pleasing physique, we all assume they`re low dosers... But when we see a guy like Markus we all assume he`s a heavy user.

Flex Wheeler had a very pleasing physique and admited to heavy and non stop use of steroids so who`s to say Phil is going easy on the stuff? Either way, the freak show will go on...

[#8]

Everyone keeps chiming in how good the genetics are of these pro's, but I remember reading more than a handful of stories about pro's who were hospitalized due to amounts of drugs / dosages they were taking. experiencing liver / kidney failure and heart problems and so on. havnt there been a few pro's who have straight up just died during their road to a show due to amounts of shit they are taking? i remember hearing about one guy who was apparently using "40iu" of GH a day when he died. speculation, but is it THAT off?

[rickyboy36]

Everyone keeps chiming in how good the genetics are of these pro's, but I remember reading more than a handful of stories about pro's who were hospitalized due to amounts of drugs / dosages they were taking. experiencing liver / kidney failure and heart problems and so on. havnt there been a few pro's who have straight up just died during their road to a show due to amounts of shit they are taking? i remember hearing about one guy who was apparently using "40iu" of GH a day when he died. speculation, but is it THAT off?

Jersey..no one is arguing with what you are saying.Many bodybuilders megadose in order to get those few extra pounds to either keep up,or to blow away the competition(or at least thats what they think they can do).But thats not we are disucssing in this thread.We are talking about Phil Heath and his extreme growth these past few yrs.If phil didnt have the genetics to grow extremely fast..then he would of never attained what he did...even if he megadosed.Ill give you an example:Take all the pro bodybuilders you want..put them all together with the same conditions and give them these monstrous doses of whatever you can think of.You will be surprised by how many of them that dont really put on that much muscle.Would they of put on the same amount without the abuse?Of course not,but the numbers arent as high as people would think.Do this day in and day out however,and in 10yrs,this amount is very significant for sure...even if those megadoses gave you 3 lbs a year extra on avaerage.

But some respond DAMN well to megadosing and pack on a shit load of muscle in a very short period of time..much more than the average 3lbs.Again,this responsiveness is GENETIC.. and if it wasnt then EVERYONE would grow like Heath.The contrary is true as well.Some dont need alot to grow and some have gone really far on stage with "reasonable"doses.Did Heath megadose?I have no ****ing clue and to think otherwise would be pure specualtion on my part like Ritch mentioned.But one thing i do know about Heath is that his body is predestined to pack alot on REGARDLESS if he abused or not.There are people out there who are pros..or who are pro quality that dont have to go really that high thanks to what their body gave them.

And by the way what is "abuse" or a "megadose".This to me is pretty relative.1 gram of test can be called abusive for some,where as others find that 3-5grams is the norm for a pro.Also,Does it become abusive when we add GH,INSULIN and IGF as well??Is there a certain level or cut off point that would describe it?To me it would be when your Overall doses(not the number of compunds necessarily) far exceed the aveage joe blow who is at YOUR LEVEL..So if i was comparing myself to you and 80% of others who are all on the same level..and i was taking 3 grams..and you guys 1 gram,then i would call that megadosing.If 80% of pros take 3grams..then say a guy like ronnie takes 6 grams,then ronnie is the abuser,or megadoser..not the other 80% who are at 3 grams.This of course does not take into consideration health issues..cause if it did..then you would have to go by BLOOD WORK to determine what abuse is FOR THAT PERSON.This again would change BIG time from one person to the other.My body might be able to take 3 grams of test and running orals constantly with out harming it at all..while others at 1 gram might do some signifcant damage in the long run.

[#8]

^^ so what you're saying is he gassed himself up the wazoo and responded well. Pretty much exactly what i said.

perhaps they should make some way of implementing a dosage maximum or something and allow usage in the sport, but only to a certain level. then we might see who really is "gifted". obv that will never happen.

[Adonis13]

sure heath has "gifts" as many of us do. but taking away from the work he has put in is kind of ignorant. i know a lot or retards who use more then 2000mg of test a week let alone what ever else they are using and they look like children. don't forget that heath also played 4 years of level 1 ball. point being the guy knows what hard work is. at 5'7 he was given no gifts to be an awesome basketball player. yet he was. im sure alot of guys on here have to deal with the day in day out bullshit of their friends and people at the gym saying "well i'd be that strong" or "id be that big and cut if i was on steroids". its ****ing bullshit listening to these little jelous people try to make excuses for not having a strong work ethic and taking away from guys like this.

[buildinthaskinnys]

If everyone thinks he got so much bigger over the last few years because he upped his dose of test, then you all need to be re-educated.

[#8]

^^ thats not what I think. This thread got off topic. I respect the guys gains and size for sure and I could probably never come close to anything like that, but I will never know.

[declan]

The difference between us and the pros is our LIFESTYLE! Who here could dedicate their lives to bodybuilding or could afford to? That is one reason they continue to grow, they live bb, they breath it and often sacrifice everything; health, relationships, family, freedom, to accomplish such goals and dreams. It is their full time job, so they have to be good at it too!

As for the drugs, who knows what they take... Does it matter?