advice for my brother to lose fat? low dose test + EC + anavar?

[pblade]

Hello everyone, I'm so glad to be on Canadabodybuilding I love this place. Today my brother asked me for some advice to send him into a direction to help aid in fatloss. He is currently on HRT, so pct is not an issue. He has a high BMI but he is very muscular under the fat, because he was very athletic when he was younger. I didn't want him to run a average dosed test cycle 500mg/week to cut down because too much aromatization with high bodyfat percentage.

I'm trying to get him to lose a good 40 pounds of fat, to prepare him so that he can possibly run a cycle to bulk up next time. Now he really wants to lose fat with the way he is speaking to me, but since he works a full time job it's hard for him to be in the mood. I don't want him to go too crazy, so how would:
200mg test e week Weeks 1-10(split into two 100mg shots)
Ephedrine 25mg Caffeine 200mg Twice a day. 2 weeks on 1 week off
Anavar 50mg Weeks 5-10

How would that sound something relatively simple and safe to help reduce 40 pounds of bodyfat with a strict diet as well? I only considered anavar so it will help maintain his muscle mass as well and I hear it has some fat burning properties. any advice guys?!?

[icey_boi]

Have you thought about helios?

It works VERY well at helping shed fat in a hurry.

[pblade]

well i know it's a mixture of clen and yohimbine, my brother has tried clen before but it didnt mix too well for him. He was very jittery and his sleep got messed up big time, so I thought i would try something mild and effective. I myself have not used clen but I also don't hear too many good comments about it, but if it is advised over EC stack, I would like some opinions .

[tiramisu]

How about diet and exercise?

[The Brick]

How about diet and exercise?

This.

[PdH]

This.

Agreed.

[faller]

How about diet and exercise?

Who woulda thought :hu

[treebuilder]

My suggestion, only because it is working for me, is to have him join the forum, ask questions, solicit one of the coaches here, start a log and endure the challenge. Seriously, the money would be better spent (and less of it) with one of the coaches learning how to do it and change the habits first. IMHO

cough cough (Delt King) cough cough

[MMASTAR]

just go with the 200 mg test since he is on HRT anyway and fix his diet. There should be no reason for him to be fat while on HRT, throw in some cardio, use some fat burners if need be, he doesnt need more steroids, does he even lift? Sounds like a case of lazy to me.

[declan]

just go with the 200 mg test since he is on HRT anyway and fix his diet. There should be no reason for him to be fat while on HRT, throw in some cardio, use some fat burners if need be, he doesnt need more steroids, does he even lift? Sounds like a case of lazy to me.

+1 Get him to lift heavy again no crazy crash cardio regimen.

[bongd]

Nothing that'll jack up his heart like ECA, bro. He's a fat ass. He needs to lose the easy fat but oh... say, reducing his calories by a consistent few hundred each day? Is that hard? Absolutely not. 30-60 minutes of moderate activity, shit, even walking! And he will lose some weight.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for fat people who've tried nothing and end up fresh out of ideas. Until he can nail the basics, I don't think he should put any supraphysiological levels of steroids in his body - just what the doctor prescribes to keep his hormones where homeostasis should have them. ECA? **** no. Losing that weight and taking ECA is going to be bad for the heart. I know people will disagree but **** them. Better to be safe than sorry. He can enjoy having an aesthetic physique for many more years just by spending a couple extra months not jumping the gun with the drugs.

My two cents.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

A proper diet and workout regime will help him achieve his goals in a much healthier way. No need for AAS to achieve that and the effects will be much longer lasting.

[evoke]

train more, fix diet, imo

[wmk]

Medical studies show that men given anavar lost fat off of their midsections without exercise. The men were middle aged or older and already had low test levels, hence the study.

After they were taken off anavar, they kept their midsection fat off long term. having said that they only lost a few inched off of their waist line after 3 or 4 months of taking a lower dose of anavar.

With cardio and a keto diet. I have lost 2-3 inched in 30 days off of my midsection. It was sure a lot cheaper doing it this way than paying for anavar.

As for upping the test to 200mg, I think that is a great idea. I had low test many years ago and when I went on hrt therapy my energy went up, I felt like living again, life was no longer grey and getting back to the gym was way easier. The test itself in men with low test levels help reduce fat.

[wmk]

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for fat people who've tried nothing and end up fresh out of ideas.
My two cents.

I agree with you, however sometimes it is a medical situation. I was diagnosed with low test years ago and before I knew what was wrong with me, the effects of low test slowly crept up on me. Some of my symptoms were: Low energy, no zest for life, life seemed grey, did not get much enjoyment out of anything including going to the gym... which I always loved. I started putting on weight, didn't want to see friends, and slept a lot. When I went on hrt therapy, life was again exciting, got my energy back, made it back to the gym and felt like my old self again.

I think their are a lot of guys out there that suffer low test and then they start getting fat. The processed foods, chemicals, hormones, pesticides, herbicides, xeno-estrogens, and other environmental factors are interfering with our natural hormones. More so than anyone would ever realize. There are rivers in the US where the fish lost their sexes and became hermaphrodites due to the birth control being flushed down the toilet through urine. We drink the same water, the pharmaceuticals are never filtered out.

Now I am not sure about what the cause was for the op's brother but I am just saying that sometimes there are more things going on in the background and we should never judge or generalize.

Peace

[faller]

As for upping the test to 200mg, I think that is a great idea. I had low test many years ago and when I went on hrt therapy my energy went up, I felt like living again, life was no longer grey and getting back to the gym was way easier. The test itself in men with low test levels help reduce fat.

You know if he wants to up his test to 200 i'm kinda curious what his weekly HRT is now. He could well be running an HRT that is too low...

[icey_boi]

well i know it's a mixture of clen and yohimbine, my brother has tried clen before but it didnt mix too well for him. He was very jittery and his sleep got messed up big time, so I thought i would try something mild and effective. I myself have not used clen but I also don't hear too many good comments about it, but if it is advised over EC stack, I would like some opinions .

Its not a mix of clen and anything bro.
Ita Alburerol(sp) yohimbine and other things. Look it up bud i think its something you should look into.

[bongd]

I agree with you, however sometimes it is a medical situation. I was diagnosed with low test years ago and before I knew what was wrong with me, the effects of low test slowly crept up on me. Some of my symptoms were: Low energy, no zest for life, life seemed grey, did not get much enjoyment out of anything including going to the gym... which I always loved. I started putting on weight, didn't want to see friends, and slept a lot. When I went on hrt therapy, life was again exciting, got my energy back, made it back to the gym and felt like my old self again.

I think their are a lot of guys out there that suffer low test and then they start getting fat. The processed foods, chemicals, hormones, pesticides, herbicides, xeno-estrogens, and other environmental factors are interfering with our natural hormones. More so than anyone would ever realize. There are rivers in the US where the fish lost their sexes and became hermaphrodites due to the birth control being flushed down the toilet through urine. We drink the same water, the pharmaceuticals are never filtered out.

Now I am not sure about what the cause was for the op's brother but I am just saying that sometimes there are more things going on in the background and we should never judge or generalize.

Peace

I'm sorry to hear about your situation but that's not an excuse for the general population. Things are the same they were 30 or 40 years ago. We're just lazier and use more drugs.

With the advent of scientific breakthroughs and the flood of information, everything has a pretty little label aka excuse. If someone's fat and slothful, it's because they have a thyroid problem now. If they're a blithering mess of shame, it's because they have clinical depression.

What people need nowadays is a swift kick in the ass. The mind is a strong thing. If people have no will, they're hopeless. Everyone has a problem and that's why they're fat, have cardiovascular disease, type II diabetes, asthma, metabolism problems, depression, etc, etc. No one is accountable but there needs to be some accountability.


Sorry, but I just don't have any empathy. I've been skinny, I've had low test, depression, etc. What did I do about it? Nothing but whipped the sand out of my vagina and got my shit in gear. I'm 23 with a solid career, brand new home, getting married, amazing family, happy as shit and I couldn't ask for more. It's not because I'm gifted or have good genetics, it's because I'm not a sobbing sack of shit and I get it done. There's no excuse. Medical problems or not. If it's that, get on some drugs that everyone's so quick to abuse. People are so selective with what they complain about. Being around people like that just makes me sick.

[wmk]

I'm sorry to hear about your situation but that's not an excuse for the general population. Things are the same they were 30 or 40 years ago. We're just lazier and use more drugs.

With the advent of scientific breakthroughs and the flood of information, everything has a pretty little label aka excuse. If someone's fat and slothful, it's because they have a thyroid problem now. If they're a blithering mess of shame, it's because they have clinical depression.

What people need nowadays is a swift kick in the ass. The mind is a strong thing. If people have no will, they're hopeless. Everyone has a problem and that's why they're fat, have cardiovascular disease, type II diabetes, asthma, metabolism problems, depression, etc, etc. No one is accountable but there needs to be some accountability.


Sorry, but I just don't have any empathy. I've been skinny, I've had low test, depression, etc. What did I do about it? Nothing but whipped the sand out of my vagina and got my shit in gear. I'm 23 with a solid career, brand new home, getting married, amazing family, happy as shit and I couldn't ask for more. It's not because I'm gifted or have good genetics, it's because I'm not a sobbing sack of shit and I get it done. There's no excuse. Medical problems or not. If it's that, get on some drugs that everyone's so quick to abuse. People are so selective with what they complain about. Being around people like that just makes me sick.


You make some great points about accountability and the quick excuse syndrome. You are right and people need to take a good look at themselves in the mirror and take to take a look at the mental gymnastics that they play. I guess I should have asked the OP how old is brother was because age makes a difference in how I'd offer advice.

If he is in his mid 30's or older, and he is on HRT because he was medically diagnosed with low test then his problems may have started with the low test. However, if he is just lazy looking for a quick fix then he needs that kick in the ass you were talking about. I assume because he was on HRT that he already has a condition.... Even low test is a bit subjective because what came first, "the low test" or "the fat". If the fat came first then naturally test will be lower and estrogen will be higher. Once the weight loss and exercise start then the test should come up again. If the low test came first then it goes back to my experience, which is solve the medical problem then everything else should fall into place.

[pblade]

Btw guys he is on hrt cuz he was living with very low testosterone and had hypothyrodism so I would contribute both to his weight gain. I know u guys get pissed when u hear problems like this regarding quick fatloss but he is new to having energy once again in life and lost his mental edge to lose after trying many times without any progress due to his previous condition. I keep trying to motivate him anyone want to give me ideas or options?

[PdH]

I keep trying to motivate him anyone want to give me ideas or options?

I don't know Bro. The concept of external forms motivation is vastly over-rated IMO. Sometimes people just need to wallow in their unhappiness until they can't stand it anymore. When they decide they are willing to do what it takes to make the changes necessary, then additional forms of motivation could be effective. That's not to say that people should not receive support, but in my mind, support is the opening of a door, the moving of a roadblock, or providing a map. Success in any endeavor comes from within. :)

[pblade]

I agree with you and I appreciate your comment. I suppose he is on the right step now by just purchasing a gym membership though it has only been used once! He keeps telling me he wants to lose weight and whenever the issue comes up I notice his mood change . I can understand it must of been hard due to low test and hypothyroidism in the past and it seems to have plummeted his will to keep healthy. I need a correct push for him to show now that he is on hrt and supplementing his thyroid meds progress will occurr.

[bongd]

Btw guys he is on hrt cuz he was living with very low testosterone and had hypothyrodism so I would contribute both to his weight gain. I know u guys get pissed when u hear problems like this regarding quick fatloss but he is new to having energy once again in life and lost his mental edge to lose after trying many times without any progress due to his previous condition. I keep trying to motivate him anyone want to give me ideas or options?

Not trying to slam him too hard, but what came first the chicken or the egg? Did the issue occur before he put on the weight or was a result thereof? Usually it's the latter.

That being said, he's on HRT now so that's not an excuse anymore. Get him jacked up. Get him all fired up. Help him with a solid diet plan and go train with him. Show him how to do his lifts properly and give him lots of best practices. That's what he needs, not a drug regimen. His doctor has him on one so don't **** it up by self prescribing other drugs. I'm sure the doctor will be pissed if you do that.