Wanna be a personal trainer? Read this!

[warlock]

So you exercise and like the lifestyle and want to be a PT?

Great!

1) If you want to do it part time : **** off!
You are dealing with people's health and for me any health care provider or lied professional that is not committed to the work is a menace for other people's health. As someone smarter than me said: would you go to a part time cardiologist? why it would be different with a trainer?

2) Walk the walk:
Wanna talk about exercise? you should exercise yourself.
It is a matter of morals for me someone that is fat and wants to tell people how to move and eat should eat and move himself.

If you are a guy and has more than 12% bf (17% for women) you should have a good explanation.

3) Don't bite more than you can chew:
I am no bodybuilder, never trained for a contest and would never train someone for a contest just because it is out of my league.
If I am going to take your money I'll offer a service that is worth it.
Karma is a bitch and if you deceive you clients it will come back for sure.

3) Any certification is a good one:
With few exceptions certifications are pretty much the same: basic stuff that anyone should know about training, physiology, bio-mechanics, professionalism etc
you need a certification for insurance purposes only that's all.

4) Commit to endless learning!
Do you wanna be a Pt or a good one?
a good Pt or a great one?
Paul Chek, Poliquin, Human Kinetics, PT on the Net, here and many other places have good information and resources.
Don't be a moron and stop learning because we never know enough.
the day that you stop learning is the day that you settle for mediocrity and voluntarily settling for mediocrity is pathetic.

5) This is a business.

You should arrive on time finish on time, have a fixed price list, payment options, cancellation policy, biography, resume and all that stuff available for your client right before you start training him.

If you wanna charge people for you time/knowledge you should be the first one to have respect for time and knowledge.

You are not going to a night club there is no need to be supper done, wear perfume, don't eat garlic, BO is disgusting, you clothes/shoes should be clean, you are not a Christmas tree: go easy on the jewelery.

Watch you language: swearing and slang have their place and it is not in your "office".

The Pt that yells at his client is a moron that can not have conversation and explain to his client how pathetic it is to give up on something attainable.

6) Be humble.
You don't know everything and it is not your job to know. It is your job to know where to find the answers therefore you should have a list with the telephone numbers of: MD, sports doctor, clinical nutritionist, osteopath, chiropractor, massage therapist and any other professional that has the answer to you and your clients and be able to refer to the right people.

7) your success depends on you!
There are 3 things that make a PT successful.
- looks: some look so good that people thing that they will look as good though osmosis. Look will definitely attract clients but 2 other things will keep them.
- personality: you can look great but if you are a jerk self centered idiot that gives more attention to your cell phone and a mirror than to your clients you will be done because at some point people realize what a waste it is to be your client. Threat people well. You are not being paid to be their friend but you are supposed to treat them as a customer and keep that in mind.
-knowledge: that is what will give you longevity in this business. knowledge = results. You can be the cutest sweetheart if you can't deliver the goods/promises you are done.
Trainers that have been in the field for a while have a combination of these three things pay attention to them all the time

8) Learn to say no.
You work with the client not for the client.
If some moron wants to see you at 4:30 am: too bad for him.
Training Saturdays at 9 pm? get a life
You in home asks you to move furniture? don't be a clown
You are a fitness professional not a slave. If a demand is too much say no And if you loose the client: great! no one needs toxic relationships.

I don't want to get too much into details but a god rule of thumb is: if you don't like the person you should avoid training her, that can turn you in a sower bitch and the next client pays for that.

9) Keep your ****ing phone/black berry/iphone away!
If I need to explain that to you, you need a lobotomy.:beat

Have a great day

[tiramisu]

1) Given that it's pretty much impossible to actually make a living as a personal trainer unless you live in LA this ensures a zero entry rate.

2) Many of the best coaches on the planet don't look like athletes.

Some of the others are decent general rants. Personally I have yet to meet a PT that had anything for sale that I want to buy. What the average house wife is buying from a personal trainer has nothing to do with strength or fitness as far as I can tell.

[warlock]

1) Given that it's pretty much impossible to actually make a living as a personal trainer unless you live in LA this ensures a zero entry rate. That's precisely how I have been paying my bills for the past 7 years, I know people that do much better than me and other that don't do so well.

2) Many of the best coaches on the planet don't look like athletes. I am talking about PTs not coaches

Some of the others are decent general rants. Personally I have yet to meet a PT that had anything for sale that I want to buy. You are allowed to have your opinion. What the average house wife is buying from a personal trainer has nothing to do with strength or fitness as far as I can tell. They could care less about strength but fitness in their head is related to the way they feel and look

The alarming part of it is that the average lifespan of a Pt as a professional is 2 years because a lot of people have no idea where they are going to work or what they should expect

[Ritch]

Some good points by both posters here so far...

[tiramisu]

Making a living versus paying the bills...
In most cities in Canada I would think that managing
$500 a day, 5 days a week, 40 out of 52 weeks a year is pretty much unpossible.

That's what it takes to gross 100k per annum. While people can often pay their bills on 30-40k a year that's personally not what I call living. A PT needs other sources of income over and above personal training.

[daande]

LOL a PT that makes 100,000 a year at goodlife fitness thats what I wanna see.

[Ritch]

Making a living versus paying the bills...
In most cities in Canada I would think that managing
$500 a day, 5 days a week, 40 out of 52 weeks a year is pretty much unpossible.

That's what it takes to gross 100k per annum. While people can often pay their bills on 30-40k a year that's personally not what I call living. A PT needs other sources of income over and above personal training.

"hooking" up clients can be a way. Taking care of their supp needs can be done as well. Changing their diets can make you more cash... For sure it`s possible to live well off that. I sure would like to know what % of the population makes over 100 grand a year...

[#8]

^^ last figures i checked in canada i believe it was less than 4%....maybe 5%

[tiramisu]

Plenty of people make a fair bit more than 100k a year. It might sound like serious cash if you are 20 but at 40 it's not a lot of money. Mortgages and wive's don't leave a lot left over.

[warlock]

I actually know a few 100k plus trainers.

They have a combination of the 3 determining factors that I already wrote plus a good business sense.

And yes they charge more than 100/h

[warlock]

Making a living versus paying the bills...
In most cities in Canada I would think that managing
$500 a day, 5 days a week, 40 out of 52 weeks a year is pretty much unpossible.

That's what it takes to gross 100k per annum. While people can often pay their bills on 30-40k a year that's personally not what I call living. A PT needs other sources of income over and above personal training.

Good point but the cost of living in different markets is varied as well.

I know a trainer that does very well charging only $60/h, that would get a 30 min consultation with me.

[natenator]

Plenty of people make a fair bit more than 100k a year. It might sound like serious cash if you are 20 but at 40 it's not a lot of money. Mortgages and wive's don't leave a lot left over.
santa clause and the easter bunny hath arrived all in one or so it appears since T here seems to want people to believe that $100K salaries are more the rule than the exception.

For the better part of the past 6-7 years I've made $100K+ (considerably more) but I am definitely the exception in my circle of friends. I won't include my associates because well, if I am making that kind of money chances are those who I associate in my line of work that are equals are also making that kind of money.

I have 2 friends who I know make $100K plus. We are not the rule. We are the exceptions.

[tiramisu]

In my circle it is fairly average. Sadly though it's kind of a glass ceiling in my industry you can hit about 150 and then it's the end of the road as far as salaries go. You need to go independent to get anywhere past that.

[GYMBRAT]

^^ last figures i checked in canada i believe it was less than 4%....maybe 5%

no shiat hey, wow that seems like a low percentage but I can believe it!

It is SO easy to surpass that 100K mark in the Oilfield even at a young age (crazy)

[tiramisu]

Going back to the PT thing. Being self employed and having to manage your own pension, benefits, health care has a real dollar value attached to it. You also have to spend a whole bunch of unpaid time getting business.

If my earning potential after 10+ years in the business was less than about 150k it wouldn't be all that appealing to me. I'd need to have 3 or 4 businesses to make something like that work. The challenge with providing a Service is that it doesn't scale well. You are selling you hours so other than creating some kind of market differentiator that lets you charge a higher rate you are kind of stuck with billable hours X market rate as your cap.

[Talo]

I agree with Tiramisu . 100k is not that much money . I've made more than that over the past 5 years and yes I'm sure I could get by with 60k , but my kids wouldn't be int the sports that they are in and we def wouldn't be taking a holiday once or twice a year.

Anyways , I know where I'm at one of the girls that is training people made almost 80k last year and I'm in a small ( 10,000 people ) town. She is doing nothing special for these people either. She does how ever do what is on Warlocks list . She has respect for her clients , show's up on time and treats the gym like her office and is always there with a smile on her face.

I've seen trainers come and go and you can tell they are only there for themselfs. This girl is different and you can tell. She puts in the time to workout herself a few hours before her clients and then she does what they do. She takes care of her body and that is something that people want in a PT.

I know I could train people on the side , but with my job ( the one that suports my family) I could not give 100% gym time to them and I don't think that is the way to go about it.

Good post , Warlock.

[warlock]

Going back to the PT thing. Being self employed and having to manage your own pension, benefits, health care has a real dollar value attached to it. You also have to spend a whole bunch of unpaid time getting business.

If my earning potential after 10+ years in the business was less than about 150k it wouldn't be all that appealing to me. I'd need to have 3 or 4 businesses to make something like that work. The challenge with providing a Service is that it doesn't scale well. You are selling you hours so other than creating some kind of market differentiator that lets you charge a higher rate you are kind of stuck with billable hours X market rate as your cap.

That's precisely the reason for you to need a good business sense as the model followed by most Pt just doesn't work in the long run.

Being just another boot camp bully is a dead end.

Being the baby sitter of yummy mummy is retard.

The real deal is to find your niche and develop relationships with your clientele in order to have some type of success beyond what the masses are doing

[Delt King]

Interesting thread. I've worked in the industry for 17 years now in different capacities from trainer to club manager to gym owner and have never approached that level of income but you know what, i'm happy, cause i'm doing what i love and i don't get up dragging my ass to work. Around where i live the median family income is only 60g's anyway, and that's two incomes mostly (damn auto manufacturing town).

[Bowlcut]

Most of the people pulling in the big cash have some advanced education whether that be certs, degrees, or lots of reading.

I have a friend who pulls in good money, but is because he knows his shit and gets top tier athletes. He had a few clients drafted to the NHL, but mostly targets wealthy adults who are into triathalon, track, etc.

[monkey]

Median total income, by family type, by province and territory
(All census families) 2006
All census families1
$
Median total income
Canada 63,600
Ontario 66,600
Alberta 78,400
British Columbia 62,600

1. Census families include couple families, with or without children, and lone-parent families.
Source: Statistics Canada, CANSIM, table (for fee) 111-0009.
Last modified: 2009-02-11.

Find information related to this table (CANSIM table(s); Definitions, data sources and methods; The

[warlock]

The whole point of the OP is that if you want to make a living and have longevity as a Pt you should treat it as a profession/business not a hobby.

Now how much you will make as a Pt depends on other factors specially how much you know about training and business

[evoke]

I actually know a few 100k plus trainers.

They have a combination of the 3 determining factors that I already wrote plus a good business sense.

And yes they charge more than 100/h

holy shit, and i thought driving instructors were overpaid

[Ritch]

Sorry but I have hard time believing a trainer is worth $100 and hour. Larry Vinet at pro gym charges way, way less than that. So the person who wants a trainer 4 times a week is gonna shell out $400 a week. They must more money than brains, but maybe not as they have a high paying job so I`m assuming they`re smart, but if they`re smart it shouldn`t be that hard to understand how to train...

[turboturist]

^^ last figures i checked in canada i believe it was less than 4%....maybe 5%

Where did you find this info and what would be the percent that makes >150k?

[warlock]

Sorry but I have hard time believing a trainer is worth $100 and hour. Larry Vinet at pro gym charges way, way less than that. So the person who wants a trainer 4 times a week is gonna shell out $400 a week. They must more money than brains, but maybe not as they have a high paying job so I`m assuming they`re smart, but if they`re smart it shouldn`t be that hard to understand how to train...

Does Larry Vinet have a degree in kinesiology, 5 years studying osteopathy, can deal with any type of injury (disc degeneration, arthritis on the shoulder), has improved international levels speed skaters times? Enough knowledge of Psychology? What type of market is he working in and what is his niche?

As far as I know he is a fantastic athlete. does he have the tools to be a great trainer? Is he a good businessman?

[Ritch]

Does Larry Vinet have a degree in kinesiology, 5 years studying osteopathy, can deal with any type of injury (disc degeneration, arthritis on the shoulder), has improved international levels speed skaters times? Enough knowledge of Psychology? What type of market is he working in and what is his niche?

As far as I know he is a fantastic athlete. does he have the tools to be a great trainer? Is he a good businessman?

I don`t know about Larry`s credentials. But he is a "natural" pro I think. But don`t most trainers make their money off the novice crowd anyways for the majority of their income? I`ve never even seen big guys with a trainer in the gym. So I don`t see how the average joe would even need someone who has all of the above. Although good to have for sure.

One thing I`ve noticed about people with degree`s and shit... They don`t train, so they think stuff is done by the book. Sadly things don`t always workout like that...

I think one should pick and choose what they want to do. Are ostoepaths expected to be good trainers? So why are trainers expected to be versed in what osteopaths do?

[warlock]

I don`t know about Larry`s credentials. But he is a "natural" pro I think. But don`t most trainers make their money off the novice crowd anyways for the majority of their income? I`ve never even seen big guys with a trainer in the gym. So I don`t see how the average joe would even need someone who has all of the above. Although good to have for sure.

One thing I`ve noticed about people with degree`s and shit... They don`t train, so they think stuff is done by the book. Sadly things don`t always workout like that...

I think one should pick and choose what they want to do. Are ostoepaths expected to be good trainers? So why are trainers expected to be versed in what osteopaths do?

Well if you know osteopathy and work as trainer as well you will probably be able to release someone's psoas helping that person to get more hip mobility therefore increasing the jumping capability all in 10 min, that coupled with motor skill training and weight lifting can make a lot of difference to an athlete. So if you have both knowledges you are way ahead of most people.

A kin degree just prepares you to learn, it is a great tool but it doesn't make you a trainer at all.

My whole point with this tread is: if someone thinks that training people is getting a can fit cert and being a booth camp bully that person would better get lost as PT is a serious business and people that take it seriously have a future in the business the rest is rest.

When I am talking about Pt I am not referring to the average big chain employee they are mostly bottom feeders as they may have the best intentions but not the knowledge to back it up.

So if someone is thinking about being a Pt he would better take a look at what I posted and make up his mind whether or not he wants to be successful.

One of the most knowledgeable guys that I know doesn't have a Kin degree, but when he decided to work in the field he just spent money off his credit card to pay for his education, followed up with dedication and commitment. honed his business skills and even though he started a good life nowadays he charges above $100/h and is fully booked.

[physique]

One thing I`ve noticed about people with degree`s and shit... They don`t train, so they think stuff is done by the book.


this is kinda off topic, but sort of on topic. i had a phsiotherapist in yesterday, and the guy had no idea how much a 45lb plate weighed. in fact, the guy didnt no any exercises with weights. all he knew was a few stretchs.
i couldnt beleive this guy had a degree and he was as dumb as a sack of hammers.

my head trainer here, charges $500 for a 12 week program, and $100 for a 1 hour boot camp that runs 5 nights a week. So far he is doing quite well.

[Ritch]

I guess I don`t understand the business to comprehend how these people can keep clients with such a fee. I guess they`re set up in the rich part of town. Good for them if they can charge that much as the idea of spending that much on a trainer when you factor in how expensive just food and supps are is a level of cash I will never have. Good for me though as I`m not dependant on needing a trainer...

Warlock alot of the points you are making are true especially about the person who has a can fit pro cert. Can`t argue that.

[Bowlcut]

I guess I don`t understand the business to comprehend how these people can keep clients with such a fee. I guess they`re set up in the rich part of town. Good for them if they can charge that much as the idea of spending that much on a trainer when you factor in how expensive just food and supps are is a level of cash I will never have. Good for me though as I`m not dependant on needing a trainer...

Warlock alot of the points you are making are true especially about the person who has a can fit pro cert. Can`t argue that.

Well if we go philosophical the reason they stay in business is that these individuals (right or wrong) value the service they get from their trainers more than the $100 in their pocket.

Obviously there are some overpaid guys out there that just live off of fat Jew stay at home moms in Westmount, but give them credit for making some easy cash. The industry is so trendy that in order to make money the vast majority of "trainers" use catchy words like "stability balls", "core specialist", etc to reel in the dumb fish.

[warlock]

this is kinda off topic, but sort of on topic. i had a phsiotherapist in yesterday, and the guy had no idea how much a 45lb plate weighed. in fact, the guy didnt no any exercises with weights. all he knew was a few stretchs.
i couldnt beleive this guy had a degree and he was as dumb as a sack of hammers.

my head trainer here, charges $500 for a 12 week program, and $100 for a 1 hour boot camp that runs 5 nights a week. So far he is doing quite well.

Are you coming back to him?

[Ritch]

I`d just like to know one last thing. How much do people who pay $100 per hour make per year? I`m trying to figure out how big the market is for trainers like that. We were just discussing the % of the population who makes over $100 000. From the responses so far, it`s low. So I really have hard time beleiving a trainer has enough population out there to get and sustain a full days work charging clients at $100 per hour. Something dosen`t make sense here. Please fill me in.

[natenator]

I`d just like to know one last thing. How much do people who pay $100 per hour make per year? I`m trying to figure out how big the market is for trainers like that. We were just discussing the % of the population who makes over $100 000. From the responses so far, it`s low. So I really have hard time beleiving a trainer has enough population out there to get and sustain a full days work charging clients at $100 per hour. Something dosen`t make sense here. Please fill me in.
$100 per hour really isn't much. I pay my hair dresser/barber about $100/hr. $25 for a haircut and she takes 15 mins. I am sure she';d take longer but 15 mins is all I can mentally handle sitting in a chair to get my hair cut before going postal.

So... 4 visits, $25/pop... $100/hr.

LOTS of people make $100/hr. That does not mean just because they make $100 an hour that it's all for them. There are expenses, etc they incur for running their business.

[Ritch]

$100 per hour really isn't much. I pay my hair dresser/barber about $100/hr. $25 for a haircut and she takes 15 mins. I am sure she';d take longer but 15 mins is all I can mentally handle sitting in a chair to get my hair cut before going postal.

So... 4 visits, $25/pop... $100/hr.

LOTS of people make $100/hr. That does not mean just because they make $100 an hour that it's all for them. There are expenses, etc they incur for running their business.

Yeah but are you giving your barber $400 a week, week in week out? This is what I don`t understand. The person who wants a trainer 4 times a week is going to shell that out?

If not, then somebody else, sure. But after so much time I just can`t see a guy being booked day in day out at $100 per hour. The income per person in the population dosen`t justify this. Unless I`m proven wrong with charts by statistics Canada.

[tiramisu]

I would pay a trainer around that for a couple of hours of olympic lift coaching (private seminar) as an example but after about 2-3 hours @ 75$/hour I'd be done. I wouldn't pay $100/hr for a PT.

There seems to be a shitload of money in raping wannabe fitness/figure girls though. The amount of money they spend on their "hobby" is truly amazing.

[Ritch]

I would pay a trainer around that for a couple of hours of olympic lift coaching (private seminar) as an example but after about 2-3 hours @ 75$/hour I'd be done. I wouldn't pay $100/hr for a PT.

There seems to be a shitload of money in raping wannabe fitness/figure girls though. The amount of money they spend on their "hobby" is truly amazing.

To be coached for olympic movements, it would be a great investment for sure. But like you, it would be for 2-3 hours and not at $100 that`s for sure...

[warlock]

I`d just like to know one last thing. How much do people who pay $100 per hour make per year? I`m trying to figure out how big the market is for trainers like that. We were just discussing the % of the population who makes over $100 000. From the responses so far, it`s low. So I really have hard time beleiving a trainer has enough population out there to get and sustain a full days work charging clients at $100 per hour. Something dosen`t make sense here. Please fill me in.

It is a niche market, small niche that is hard to get into.

Being knowledgeable is just the beginning,you have to be in the right neighbourhood, and understand the needs of your clientele.

[Ritch]

It is a niche market, small niche that is hard to get into.

Being knowledgeable is just the beginning,you have to be in the right neighbourhood, and understand the needs of your clientele.

Now you`re speaking logically. Not that you weren`t before... But I was kinda getting the impression that guys who charge $100 per hour and are booked all day long are a common thing.

[natenator]

Now you`re speaking logically. Not that you weren`t before... But I was kinda getting the impression that guys who charge $100 per hour and are booked all day long are a common thing.
no and that's typically why you charge $100 per hour.

When I was a consultant (as my fulltime gig) I charged myself out at $250/hr. I did this for a couple reasons:

1) I have a standard of living that I wish to continue to maintain. That doesn't mean I drive a 6 figure car but rather I like my bank account and investments to keep growing.

2) I don't like working 50; 60 and 70 hour weeks. I like working 20-25 hours a week while being able to maintain my standard of living AND to continue to learn and educate myself in my chosen profession. What I do requires significant learning as new ideas; trends and theories develop thus I must innovate and adjust accordingly to maintain my value proposition.

3) I keep a client base that is absolutely interested and focused on what I can bring to the table. They are blue chip clients who have the money to to invest in my services because they are looking to make more money. In my career, I've typically returned to a client 15-25 times in revenue what they've paid for my services. Yes I am expensive and yes it takes money to hire me but they make the money back and then some. Plus when you spend the kind of money they are it's generally accepted as foolproof that they are going to implement the recommended actions that I put forth.

I'd say #3 is the biggest reason why I charge as much as it does. It ensures I get clients who want to succeed as it's a lot of money to just waste. I'd say it's similar to those who are PT's as well.

[Ritch]

^^^ Gotta disagree there Nate... Your first sentence states "why you typically charge..." It`s already been said that the $100 per hour is not a typical wage... It`s what a very small % of trainers charge. The fact you can charge what you charge is not relevant to trainers here. But I agree that charging a high price attracts clients who are serious about their shit...

If you don`t mind me asking, what kind of consulting do you do to be able to charge $250 an hour?

[natenator]

^^^ Gotta disagree there Nate... Your first sentence states "why you typically charge..." It`s already been said that the $100 per hour is not a typical wage... It`s what a very small % of trainers charge. The fact you can charge what you charge is not relevant to trainers here. But I agree that charging a high price attracts clients who are serious about their shit...

If you don`t mind me asking, what kind of consulting do you do to be able to charge $250 an hour?
I disagee in that $100/hr IS a typical wage. Plumbers, Electricians, Welders, etc, etc, etc, etc. The end person may not make that but their company most likely charges them out at those rates or close to it.

I'm a marketing consultant.

[Ritch]

I disagee in that $100/hr IS a typical wage. Plumbers, Electricians, Welders, etc, etc, etc, etc. The end person may not make that but their company most likely charges them out at those rates or close to it.

I'm a marketing consultant.

Again Nate, you`re not making fair comparisions... The plumber is not making that money off the same person 4 times a week for weeks on end... The welder also. He comes in, does his shit, then leaves.

Kudos to you though on making that cash, you are elite to pull in that kind of dough!

At pro gym nobody charges wages like that. If a gym that size dosen`t have one guy charging that much in a city this big, I have a hard time believing it`s as common as you think to charge $100 per hour. There`s a pro bodybuilder named Rudy who I`m sure dosen`t charge that. I was once trained by a guy who was Poliquin certified and paid under $30 a session, I did buy a package deal off him however. Again please prove to me that the majority of the population can afford the rates that you say are so normal by a trainer. I just don`t see it. The money just isn`t there to support such claims.

[natenator]

Again Nate, you`re not making fair comparisions... The plumber is not making that money off the same person 4 times a week for weeks on end... The welder also. He comes in, does his shit, then leaves.

Kudos to you though on making that cash, you are elite to pull in that kind of dough!

At pro gym nobody charges wages like that. If a gym that size dosen`t have one guy charging that much in a city this big, I have a hard time believing it`s as common as you think to charge $100 per hour. There`s a pro bodybuilder named Rudy who I`m sure dosen`t charge that. I was once trained by a guy who was Poliquin certified and paid under $30 a session, I did buy a package deal off him however. Again please prove to me that the majority of the population can afford the rates that you say are so normal by a trainer. I just don`t see it. The money just isn`t there to support such claims.
I don't have numbers to support it and I wasn't saying the majority of the population can afford it. I going to say though that there are more people making good coin than we'd think.

I find it hard to believe ANYONE other than celebrety or athlete is spending $1600/month on a trainer and I challenge warlock to prove that.

FYI: no one wants to be trained by a pro bodybuilder or someone who is Poliquin certified. They want to look different than we do :D

[ironwill]

Wages, smages....lolol...The more one makes the more one pays, it sucks big time....i dont have a lot more money now than i did when i was making 60 k/yr, granted i have better things, but im thinking more and more about moving to mexico and saying screw it with big wage careers and just living life with legal medications, life is about happiness, and money doesnt bring that.........Now CC and i pay 6 figures to income taxes each yr between the 2 of us..., now that sucks the big one!!!! To much work to little time i say!!!

[Ritch]

^^^ Man do I agree with that. I`d much rather have less money and more free time. The people I see with $$$ are so busy, they can`t enjoy themselves as they work 2 jobs, 6 days a week. I`d rather be dead. Seriously.

[ironwill]

^^^ Man do I agree with that. I`d much rather have less money and more free time. The people I see with $$$ are so busy, they can`t enjoy themselves as they work 2 jobs, 6 days a week. I`d rather be dead. Seriously.

You are right bro....We are very seriously thinking of getting out in 5 or so yrs...Right now im working 60 hours/week at the very minimum, often 70 hours plus....I really do not think it is worth it....No time for sweet dick all...CC travels all over North America and we are apart for quite a spell lately, it was better when things were more simple....We have a great relationship, but we enjoyed our time together when there was more of it...It comes in spurts, so we arent apart every week anymore, but still...Quality over quantity for me....I love my job, just would like more free time for enjoying life......:)
Time to downsize....

[Ritch]

I don't have numbers to support it and I wasn't saying the majority of the population can afford it. I going to say though that there are more people making good coin than we'd think.

I find it hard to believe ANYONE other than celebrety or athlete is spending $1600/month on a trainer and I challenge warlock to prove that.

FYI: no one wants to be trained by a pro bodybuilder or someone who is Poliquin certified. They want to look different than we do :D

Well if the majority of the population can`t afford it, why do you state it`s a normal fee? It`s contradicting.

Warlock did state that it`s a small world of people who charge $100 per hour. And that trainer I took sucked. I may have said this before, but he had me doing the advanced gymnast back routine. You guys seen this routine? What an insult to pay someone to pull out a routine from a book, a routine I already knew. I just didn`t have the balls to talk to him about it, but hey, it`s a lesson learned...

[ironwill]

Well if the majority of the population can`t afford it, why do you state it`s a normal fee? It`s contradicting.

Warlock did state that it`s a small world of people who charge $100 per hour. And that trainer I took sucked. I may have said this before, but he had me doing the advanced gymnast back routine. You guys seen this routine? What an insult to pay someone to pull out a routine from a book, a routine I already knew. I just didn`t have the balls to talk to him about it, but hey, it`s a lesson learned...

Can you put your legs behind your head now from the gymnast routine...I think that would be quite sexxxy!!!:lick

[Ritch]

You are right bro....We are very seriously thinking of getting out in 5 or so yrs...Right now im working 60 hours/week at the very minimum, often 70 hours plus....I really do not think it is worth it....No time for sweet dick all...CC travels all over North America and we are apart for quite a spell lately, it was better when things were more simple....We have a great relationship, but we enjoyed our time together when there was more of it...It comes in spurts, so we arent apart every week anymore, but still...Quality over quantity for me....I love my job, just would like more free time for enjoying life......:)
Time to downsize....

If I could live in Hawaii, I would work any minimum wage job just to be there. If I had a good gym, and everything that goes with it I`d be set. Find a good woman, and that`s all I need.

All the above and that mawe wowee herb they have growing there...

[ironwill]

If I could live in Hawaii, I would work any minimum wage job just to be there. If I had a good gym, and everything that goes with it I`d be set. Find a good woman, and that`s all I need.

All the above and that mawe wowee herb they have growing there...
Damn straight.....Anywhere close to the ocean and beautiful scenery and laid back folks, and gas for my Harley.....Thats where im going....AND, no i do not mean Newfoundland....lolol

[Ritch]

Damn straight.....Anywhere close to the ocean and beautiful scenery and laid back folks, and gas for my Harley.....Thats where im going....AND, no i do not mean Newfoundland....lolol

Sounds great, on that note, back to cleaning the bathroom... Maybe the fumes will give me some hallucinations I`m there! Man I feel funny...

[Ritch]

Ok, this is gonna sound weird, but when I clean my bathroom I use the fantastik anti mildew product, yeah, fascinating stuff... So I cleaned the whole bathroom then took a shower and for some reason I smelled my hands, and they smell like sperm. Seriously. Anyone else notice this?

[treebuilder]

Ok, this is gonna sound weird, but when I clean my bathroom I use the fantastik anti mildew product, yeah, fascinating stuff... So I cleaned the whole bathroom then took a shower and for some reason I smelled my hands, and they smell like sperm. Seriously. Anyone else notice this?

OK.. I am going to retract my recommendation for the free products after this one. How can you use the 'seriously' after 'I smelled my hands, and they smell like sperm'.

So my question is "Is it your sperm that your hands smell like or some other fella's?'

I had to get my 100th post in somehow...

[Big D]

Ok, this is gonna sound weird, but when I clean my bathroom I use the fantastik anti mildew product, yeah, fascinating stuff... So I cleaned the whole bathroom then took a shower and for some reason I smelled my hands, and they smell like sperm. Seriously. Anyone else notice this?

hahaha I know exactly what you mean

[Bowlcut]

Ok, this is gonna sound weird, but when I clean my bathroom I use the fantastik anti mildew product, yeah, fascinating stuff... So I cleaned the whole bathroom then took a shower and for some reason I smelled my hands, and they smell like sperm. Seriously. Anyone else notice this?

The latex gloves are the culprit for me. I was smelling my fingers like they had just been inside a girls veejay.

[Ritch]

The latex gloves are the culprit for me. I was smelling my fingers like they had just been inside a girls veejay.

Better than smelling like jizz!

[Ritch]

hahaha I know exactly what you mean

Big D and I are like "this" (crosses fingers, lol)

[Ritch]

OK.. I am going to retract my recommendation for the free products after this one.

Too late! Ah ha ha ha ha...