Chinese negotiations with a kidnapper

[physique]

'I have 3 demands or I'll kill the boy!'

[physique]

Negotiators assess the situation from next door.

[physique]

Head Negotiator dispatched

[physique]

Negotiations begin

[physique]

Negotiations concluded

[physique]

In this country, we would block off the street, take 12 hours to talk him out of it, spend $5 million giving him a fair trial, and pay his food and lodging for life.


No wonder their products are cheaper than ours

[shithead]

I agree!

[shithead]

I dont think we'd spend 5 million for a fair trial.

Maybe we would. How much do trials cost anyway? I know if you are accused they cost a hell of a lot!

[MizzFitt]

We spend stupid amounts of money on criminals!! It something like over $100,000.00 per year just to have one person in jail. It is their food, guards and tv and all that other crap they get! I can think of way better things to spend my tax dollars on!

[champcar99]

there are so many things wrong with your thoughts on this...SO MANY

[shithead]

I'm sure this is a copy, but I would like you to elaborate please.

[RJ*]

there are so many things wrong with your thoughts on this...SO MANY

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[BAM]

Too bad the cop didnt fall too for bonus points.

[Boost]

Too bad the cop didnt fall too for bonus points.

LOL!!!!!!!!

[champcar99]

Too bad the cop didnt fall too for bonus points.

no kidding..

[champcar99]

no one has the right to kill anyone ...That wouldnt happen in Canada...I don't care how much it cost to keep a mother ****er in jail..for a socitey to think its ok to kill to save tax dollars is just ****in insane...For one how do you know this dude isnt bi polar, need meds. or mentally handicapped , but who cares lets shoot the **** and get him out of our hair... Go live in states or a 3rd world country..if you like unjustified killings.

[shithead]

If a childs life is in danger, I say bring out the snipers.

[gojimmygo]

no one has the right to kill anyone ...That wouldnt happen in Canada...I don't care how much it cost to keep a mother ****er in jail..for a socitey to think its ok to kill to save tax dollars is just ****in insane...For one how do you know this dude isnt bi polar, need meds. or mentally handicapped , but who cares lets shoot the **** and get him out of our hair... Go live in states or a 3rd world country..if you like unjustified killings.

I agree we shouldn't be killing people to save tax dollars(except maybe repeat rapists) but if someone has a kid at gunpoint what do you expect.Should we be more concerned about someone who might be bi-polar,off meds or handicapped with a gun or the innocent kid who's scared shitless. For me personally the choice would be instant, whatever it takes to protect the kid.

[ergie]

IMO thats how things should happen here as well.

[Freebsd1977]

I say we do that to Paul Bernardo and Paula Homolka!

[physique]

we have so many repeat offenders in this country, its time we brought 3rd world law here. I have a email too where it shows a kids arm being crushed because he stole from a store. champcar probably thinks thats too extreme too. but personally if u commit a crime there should be more of a punishment then sitting in a jail cell with all the rights in the world, 3 square meals a day doing your time. our law system is a complete farce!
We should have a 2 strike rule for petty crimes, 1 time you are caught, okay, go easy on them for a chance to reabilitate, 2nd time, depending on the crime, u should be mained in some way. whether its your arm being crushed for stealing, or lined up and shot!

Yes i said it, i wish we had capital punishment here, and real capital punishment, not this crap where they are found guilty and sit in jail for 10 years jumping through legal bs to appeal. **** that. u are guilty, get your last meal that night and shoot or gas the **** the next day!

there are career criminals out there doing petty crimes that i hate to tell u will never reibilitate themselves. again gas them afetr so many strikes! waste of air these people are, so why keep them alive? i can name numerous familys in the town i live in that this should happen too.

same can be said for drug users, you overdose 1st time okay we help u and try to get u off the smack, 2nd time, little harsher sentence. 3rd time, let them die!(and make sure they know this at the 2nd time they do it. next one mr/mrs, paramedics wont help u. compete waste of time and air these people are.

i am sure i will get lit up for this post, but these are my feelings, and i am sick of my tax dollars being spent so poorly when it comes to major and petty crimes and the punishments given. 3rd world countries, hell even european countries have harsher penalties for crimes, and it works, check there track record for crime and punishment against canada's.

[shithead]

Wow! your fvckin nuts bro!

[shithead]

we have so many repeat offenders in this country, its time we brought 3rd world law here. I have a email too where it shows a kids arm being crushed because he stole from a store. champcar probably thinks thats too extreme too. but personally if u commit a crime there should be more of a punishment then sitting in a jail cell with all the rights in the world, 3 square meals a day doing your time. our law system is a complete farce!
We should have a 2 strike rule for petty crimes, 1 time you are caught, okay, go easy on them for a chance to reabilitate, 2nd time, depending on the crime, u should be mained in some way. whether its your arm being crushed for stealing, or lined up and shot!

Yes i said it, i wish we had capital punishment here, and real capital punishment, not this crap where they are found guilty and sit in jail for 10 years jumping through legal bs to appeal. **** that. u are guilty, get your last meal that night and shoot or gas the **** the next day!

there are career criminals out there doing petty crimes that i hate to tell u will never reibilitate themselves. again gas them afetr so many strikes! waste of air these people are, so why keep them alive? i can name numerous familys in the town i live in that this should happen too.

same can be said for drug users, you overdose 1st time okay we help u and try to get u off the smack, 2nd time, little harsher sentence. 3rd time, let them die!(and make sure they know this at the 2nd time they do it. next one mr/mrs, paramedics wont help u. compete waste of time and air these people are.

i am sure i will get lit up for this post, but these are my feelings, and i am sick of my tax dollars being spent so poorly when it comes to major and petty crimes and the punishments given. 3rd world countries, hell even european countries have harsher penalties for crimes, and it works, check there track record for crime and punishment against canada's.

Problem with this is, the easiest person to hang for a crime is someone who has been in trouble before. This would cause innocent ppl to be executed.

I kinda believe in capital punishment...but not for repeat offenders of petty crimes! Fvck, half the ppl I went to school with would be dead!

[champcar99]

physique if your worried about tax dollars being wasted ,take a automatic weapon on go to the nearest politcal office and let lose and don't stop at one do them all, even the parliment buildings is a good place too start..NO ONE WASTE MORE MONEY THAN OUR GOVERNMENT, NO ONE RIPS U OFF MORE THAN OUR GOVERNEMENT, YEA AT A 120 LITRE , 10 BUCKS FOR SMOKES, 20 BUCKS A CASE OF BEER THE LIST GO'S ON AND ON.......YEA WHO'S THE ****IN THIEF BRO..

[shortfatugly]

well, its a funny story in a shocking sort of way. HOwever, the guy in the GREY SHIRT , tethered by a rope may indeed have been negotiating with the previously alive kidnapper. However, negotiations took a decidedly different turn when buddy in the BLACK SHIRT showed up. His negotiations were a bit more abrupt.

So something happened in between the grey and black. There is a good joke in there somewhere about things being grey and black .. but I am not going there.

Who knows how long the negotiations were. Maybe the now dead guy said or did something between life and his death that lead to this situation.

Unless of course, buddy went in to change his shirt prior to blasting the guy in the head.

The kidnapper may have had mental problems or was just plain stupid as how many kidnappers purposefully put themselves in the open like that? He was just asking for a sniper to take him out. Usually though, it is not a 'kill shot' but a wounding shot.

I remember watching a vid about a US sniper who shot a handgun out of a criminal's hand. This was done from about 500 meters. The criminal was shocked as hell.

China- tough on crime. GREat place to have the olympics though.

killing retards,
3rd world poverty to 3/4 of their population.
human right abuses.
killing dogs while terrifying them to near death, stacking them up in their locked cages- one on top of each other.
PLEASE NO ONE POST THAT VIDEO LINK ANYMORE. I HAD NIGHTMARES FOR WEEKS. ITS NOT FUNNY SO PLEASE DON'T POST IT.

I am not sure if it was china or some other asian country but those boys are just cruel and heartless. It's not the fact that they eat dogs as that is bad enough. It's the joy and almost ****ing orgasm some of the guys were having while abusing the dogs..

China... great place to be.

[dainbramaged]

To be forthright, I believe in capital punishment but only when it's been proven exhaustively that a person is guilty. The one thing I find curious is this, many people find it reprehensible to sentence a criminal to capital punishment after they'd committed a capital crime yet would suggest incarceration for life is a fitting punishment. Now, victim's rights aside which would be a major issue to discuss with this issue, how is it more "humane" to lock a person up in a cell (privileges aside) for the rest of their lives until they are dead vs. capital punishment which has the same end result. No, I'm not dealing with tax dollars here either. I'm talking about locking someone away for life, the end result being they die in prison vs. capital punishment. We don't even do that to animals, (though I'm sure there are groups out there that would wish it otherwise..) If the end result's the same, isn't it more "humane" to punish them immediately rather than locking them away for the rest of their lives when they can only expect the same end result? At this point, I realize the issue of parole would come up. I personally do not believe parole should ever be an issue for capital crimes, if you've committed such a crime and a judge/jury issued a sentence after an exhaustive court case then the full sentence should be carried through. Don't care if you've had 'good behaviour' or have been 'rehabilitated' or anything like that..don't get me wrong, it's a good thing for that specific individual themself and it's certainly a personal accomplishment, but it should be a moot point for society as a whole.

The whole issue of mental instability is another can of worms too. It's probably because we're all already unbalanced and it's so subjective.

[shithead]

Pretty good points bro, physique was talking about killing repeat offenders for petty crimes. Thats more left wing than Nick Foligno.

[dainbramaged]

Pretty good points bro, physique was talking about killing repeat offenders for petty crimes. Thats more left wing than Nick Foligno.

Well, I may not take it that far but I do agree that the system isn't working when repeat offenders do just that...repeat. If you can consistently commit the same crime(s) time and again with the realization that the punishment will only be minor, then somethings gotta change. Chain gangs anyone? j/k, maybe.

[shithead]

I agree somewhat. For these guys the benefits outweigh the risks.

Why wouldnt they continue down that road? As they've already been labeled convicts.

Other then executing them, what would be the next best option?

[bigdaddydrew123]

you can tell chinese dont negotiate every time you order a combo... no substitutions. must be a genetic trait

[MizzFitt]

" Hahahahaha!!! NIce Drew!!" lol

[turboturist]

no one has the right to kill anyone ...That wouldnt happen in Canada...I don't care how much it cost to keep a mother ****er in jail..for a socitey to think its ok to kill to save tax dollars is just ****in insane...For one how do you know this dude isnt bi polar, need meds. or mentally handicapped , but who cares lets shoot the **** and get him out of our hair... Go live in states or a 3rd world country..if you like unjustified killings.

So what your saying is if someone had a gun to your kids head and you had the chance you wouldn't shoot that said person? Who gives a fuk if he/she has a mental disability, it is a child that was threatened and he deserved what he got.

[shithead]

you can tell chinese dont negotiate every time you order a combo... no substitutions. must be a genetic trait

When I was young I called the local chinese restaurant to see if they could give me a deal on ten egg rolls, here's the response I got:

"Egg wolls one dolla, no deows! Why you call me on fwiday night, piss me off?!?"

[physique]

Pretty good points bro, physique was talking about killing repeat offenders for petty crimes. Thats more left wing than Nick Foligno.

actually i am talking about the whole system. what dainbramaged said is great,. but if u are guilty,(like witnessed up the ying yang, or DNA evidence or countless other eveidence that says u did it, you shouldnt get to jump thru legal bs for years on end, just gas them next day. simple!

as for petty crime offenders, okay maybe i was too harsh, but where do u draw the line? 1 single family in this small town the kids have rap sheets that are 20 plus pages long! i hate to tell ya, but they will never rehibilitate. so why do we as a society bother? why should they get a 6 month jail term and then back on the street doing the same crimes the day they are let out? so tax payers pay for there jail time, and business owners insurance goes up thanks to these fools. Christ there needs to be some form of "SEVERE" punishment. and jail time just aint it.

as for you champcar, thanks for telling me something i already know about out government. but going postal with a weapon isnt going to fix jack shit, then next group of clowns that are votted in will do "EXACTLY" the same thing. rob us blind while we take it up the ass! Is there a way to fix there over spending and stealing from us? personally i think no, we are ****ed either way, doesnt matter who is in power.

as for you saying no one has the right to kill anyone, wake up man! people do this in Van on a weekly basis! It should be a eye for a eye, if you ki8ll someone and you are found guilty of 1st degree murder, then you should be killed! why should you get to live your remaining days on earth on my tax dollar? with 3square meals a day, tv,movies, exercise facilities, computers, congital vists? **** that, die the next day asshole! no way our government should give you life in prison with more rights then people who obey the laws.

heres one for ya champcar, a farmer in whitewood saskatchewan, is asked to help out 3 natives whos car broke down on the side of the road. he goes with them and they kill him for no apparant reason. 2 of the 3 get 1 year sentences, and the guy who killed the farmer gets 3 years for murder! is that fair? 3 years for taking another persons life? even 25 years shouldnt be enough. only sentence i see as fair would be, would be DEATH! and i am sure others on this site have there opinions. in the end there is really no fighting this argument as it cant be won for capital punishment, as there are too many human right activists in this country that continually say, what about their rights. bah!

in the end you have your reasons for being against capital punishment, and i have mine for it. I am tired of the brutal sentences for harsh crimes.

[physique]

I agree somewhat. For these guys the benefits outweigh the risks.

Why wouldnt they continue down that road? As they've already been labeled convicts.

Other then executing them, what would be the next best option?

maybe try cutting off limbs! u steal u loose a hand. u rape u loose your cock,
you touch a child you die!

i wonder how many people would think twice before they did a crime if there was REAL punishment.

guess we will nevre know, as the bleeding hearts of canada will make sure of that.

whats funny its these same people that will question certains sentences on crimes and complain that criminals have more rights. like make up your mind already on your true stance.

[physique]

and to think this all started over a thread i posted in FUN.

[Boost]

and to think this all started over a thread i posted in FUN.

Haha. Too much testosterone around here! :D

For real, if my sister was in danger and threatened in this way, I would save her without killing the guy IF I had the chance. I would be happy with a good beating. If killing him was the only option, I would do so without hesitation.

[mandarb11]

I agree with capital punishment in open and shut cases where there is no question of guilt. The problem is such hardline policies don't work even in the thrid world countries that have no human rights. Take one of our arab/muslim countries, people are killed daily for murder, rape (or even being raped), etc, and yet it still happens all the time! Some people will do things no matter the punishment whether because they are simply crazy or think they will get away with it.

I do not agree that smaller crimes warrant such harsh penalties as many people who steal, as an example, especially in 3rd world countries do so to survive. So is it Ok to kill someone who steals for survival? It is the sick ****s that are convicted of rape or murder then get released and do it again.....you know they can not be fixed and their continued presence in this world threatens others lives then it is a reasonable position to allow capital punishment.

Not to mention such tactics as we saw in the pictures often result in the victims themselves being killed or injured. Remember in countries like China, even Russia (remember the Checchens that held a school and another time a theatre hostage...) they go in shooting everyone, victims as well. They know there will be no repercussions to them and they feel that such a strong response will prevent future occurances (why would a person take a hostage if they know it will not help them) and yet this happens over and over again.

So although capital punishment is necessary in certain circumstances it does not in an of itself prevent crimes!

[Boost]

So is it Ok to kill someone who steals for survival?

No IMO.

[shithead]

and to think this all started over a thread i posted in FUN.

I'm not bustiin' ya up Phys, actually I'm gald you speak from your heart.
No bullshit. Even if your views can be considered overzealous and radical.

If everyone thought the same way....these forums wouldnt exist. That or they'd be pretty lame.

[Gib]

"take a automatic weapon on go to the nearest politcal office and let lose and don't stop at one do them all"

Posted by the same guy who said:

"no one has the right to kill anyone"

Yeah, protect that poor guy with the gun, who may or may not be retarded, but go kill politicians.

[warlock]

i wonder how many people would think twice before they did a crime if there was REAL punishment.



Nothing would change, criminal are no t intelligent to start with. If someone is intelligent and has a criminal mind he will go into politics.

No one commits a crime thinking about what will happen when he will get caught, the whole premise of doing i is that they think they will never get caught.

Dead is a barbaric punishment in my opinion, if you kill a killer doesn't make you less of a killer!

But I have to agree with Physique when he says that this people should not just sit around and have everything given to them.

If the purpose of jail is to punish, I don't believe that there is worse punishment for a thief than make him work; if it is rehabilitate start making them productive members of society as soon as possible.

I don't believe that they should be forced to work but 2 options should be given:

1) voluntary work in order to pay for his "stay"
2) stay in solitary confinement in a really small cell.

I do believe that real criminals (homicide, rape, child molesters, republican politicians) should have only one right: the right to shut up and keep quiet.

[warlock]

"take a automatic weapon on go to the nearest politcal office and let lose and don't stop at one do them all"

Posted by the same guy who said:

"no one has the right to kill anyone"

Yeah, protect that poor guy with the gun, who may or may not be retarded, but go kill politicians.

Take your time and reread his post and you will understand the posts not just of the words.

Pretty much anything that we say can be misunderstood if off contest.