Interesting read on Islam

[#8]

Food for thought or scare mongering? You decide.


Islam Explained in Layman's Terms

Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: the Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
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> Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
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Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
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Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
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When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
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Here's how it works:
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As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part being regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0..6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
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At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
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> This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
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From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For
example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring
in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
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At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
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When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
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After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
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At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
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From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of nonbelievers of all other religions (including nonconforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
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After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is ongoing in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
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100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
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Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
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'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

(It is recommended that everyone should read THE HAJ by Leon Uris. Then you will understand why there will never be peace in the Middle East.)
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It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
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Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
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Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
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Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the hen house. The wolves will be herding the sheep!
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Obama Appoints two devout Muslims to homeland security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already? Obama and Janet Napolitano Appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).
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NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...?
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Just wondering.
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Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??

That should make our homeland much safer, huh?
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Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago? Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?
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Please forward this important information to any who care about the future of our Country

[warlock]

A bit of distortion of reality but the basic line of though is real.

[Gilmour]

Pretty much sums it up. Why the hell we are in Afghanistan trying (pretending) to bring stability and democracy is beyond me. The only way that will ever be achieved is to replace the whole country's citizenship with non Muslims. They've been living in the dark ages for thousands of years and always will. Bring the troops back home and send them where they may make a difference.

[buildinthaskinnys]

The percentage of muslims in canada is high due to immigration mostly, their birth rate is not high here in canada, but in crappy countrys like morocco and afghanistan as it always has been, and there are actually more christians added to the worlds population every day than muslims, partially due to the fact that there is almost twice as many converts, and christianity is found in all of the countries of the world where as islam is not. I think canada needs to close its borders to alot of these countries where the people are coming in unskilled, cant speak english and with hands wide open, lower taxes and allow canadian citizens to focus more on families like the good ole' days.

[waderow]

muslims as a group do not report their religion on census forms.

[Gilmour]

muslims as a group do not report their religion on census forms.


Too busy praying to Mohammed the rapist prophet to fill out the forms.

[vakker]

boarders on hate speech. nothing is fact, just Islamic words mixed in with arbitrary stats.

[waderow]

boarders on hate speech. nothing is fact, just Islamic words mixed in with arbitrary stats.

i bet this offends you too vakker.

there is nothing hateful in the truth. its all fact, and either you are a muslim, or an idiot.

[vakker]

i bet this offends you too vakker.

there is nothing hateful in the truth. its all fact, and either you are a muslim, or an idiot.

I'm not offended, I could give a shit, but I know when something is trying to be manipulative rather than informative.

PS. Change it to informative, PROVE its ALL fact.... the population number, the pattern of acts....prove it. Go find some citations.

[waderow]

i have read my books, and followed my world events, and made my conclusions. I am no going to do an essay just so you can get your head out of the sand. Look into it yourself

[PdH]

i have read my books, and followed my world events, and made my conclusions. I am no going to do an essay just so you can get your head out of the sand. Look into it yourself

Never mind.

[vakker]

i have read my books, and followed my world events, and made my conclusions. I am no going to do an essay just so you can get your head out of the sand. Look into it yourself

No, I'll just assume all of your thoughts are invalid and everything you speak about is conjecture and bullshit.

I am not sure if you know this, but 80% of this board thinks you are a giant retard 54% of the time. I know, I asked everyone. Trust me.

[rob66679]

No, I'll just assume all of your thoughts are invalid and everything you speak about is conjecture and bullshit.

I am not sure if you know this, but 80% of this board thinks you are a giant retard 54% of the time. I know, I asked everyone. Trust me.

i have read my books, and followed my world events, and made my conclusions.

The above statement is true 73% of the time. Unless its a tuesday following a long weekend, in which case it falls to 68.7%.............. I mean everybody knows this, its common knowledge.

[waderow]

time will tell then I guess?


and Vakker.... why are you so concerned about me? you want to **** me or something? you asked everyone? lol wow. get a life man

I dont give a rats ass about you and could care less what you think. same goes for 80% of the board 54% of the time haha

I dont come here to try and convince idiots anything. you cant.... that is why they are called idiots.

a few smarter guys are cognizant about what is happening in the world, and hopefully one day the christians will put a stop to the domination ambitions of islam

one man on a body building forum is insignificant. I am no threat to you vakker... and rob. The threat is what I, and others are trying to warn you about... and that threat is to our children, and our grand children

[Gilmour]

time will tell then I guess?


and Vakker.... why are you so concerned about me? you want to **** me or something? you asked everyone? lol wow. get a life man

I dont give a rats ass about you and could care less what you think. same goes for 80% of the board 54% of the time haha

I dont come here to try and convince idiots anything. you cant.... that is why they are called idiots.

a few smarter guys are cognizant about what is happening in the world, and hopefully one day the christians will put a stop to the domination ambitions of islam

one man on a body building forum is insignificant. I am no threat to you vakker... and rob. The threat is what I, and others are trying to warn you about... and that threat is to our children, and our grand children


I like the cut of your jib young sir.

[Gilmour]

boarders on hate speech. nothing is fact, just Islamic words mixed in with arbitrary stats.
How's this for hate speech? The Quaran states that Mohammed was 52 years old when he ****ed a 9 year old girl, Aisha, because Allah presented her to him in a dream and Allah told him to. Mohammed - child rapist. 100% truth if the Quaran is accurate.

[BAM]

How's this for hate speech? The Quaran states that Mohammed was 52 years old when he ****ed a 9 year old girl, Aisha, because Allah presented her to him in a dream and Allah told him to. Mohammed - child rapist. 100% truth if the Quaran is accurate.

In defense of Mohammed, everyone was ****ing 8 year olds back in the day.

Christians, Jews etc..

[waderow]

In defense of Mohammed, everyone was ****ing 8 year olds back in the day.

Christians, Jews etc..

but grown muslim men still are

[vakker]

I don't really wanna **** you, but if thats what it takes to show everyone what a bitch you are, then sure. Being cognisant of world events and inventing status to make them into something palatable doesn't make it true, it just means you took something out of context to fit your agenda.

you want to be a retard, go ahead.



time will tell then I guess?


and Vakker.... why are you so concerned about me? you want to **** me or something? you asked everyone? lol wow. get a life man

I dont give a rats ass about you and could care less what you think. same goes for 80% of the board 54% of the time haha

I dont come here to try and convince idiots anything. you cant.... that is why they are called idiots.

a few smarter guys are cognizant about what is happening in the world, and hopefully one day the christians will put a stop to the domination ambitions of islam

one man on a body building forum is insignificant. I am no threat to you vakker... and rob. The threat is what I, and others are trying to warn you about... and that threat is to our children, and our grand children

[revolution187]

that consensus thing seems like total propaganda to me, it would be like some muslim coming up with stats for roman catholic priests molesting kids or the pope wearing $5000 dollar shoes and then preaching about world hunger, every race, culture and religion has their version of "white trash" that unfortunately speak for the majority, i know lots of mainstream muslims who hate the fanatics, i know lots of east indian who despise the the air india bombers how come people dont call all irish people terrorists after what the IRA did. The taliban are not religious at all they are defending their opium fields but illiterate rednecks from the west think the americans and canadians are there to help and all this shit, dont listen to that crap, the americans need to get control of afgahnistan so they can run a pipeline thru there to the indian ocean, thats why they armed the afghans when the russians attacked they just wanted it preserved for themselves. 15 of the 19 hijackers were from saudi arabia yet no one goes there looking for terrorists, if u do research some of those supposed hijackers hav been accounted for and found alive and we stupidly pay $1.12 per litre of gas when a barrel only costs $60. these politicians need illiterate and uneducated people like some of u so they can push their oppressive tactics on u and i. u cant blame a religion for a few peoples misdeeds, if that were the case we can christians evil because of what they did during the crusades...WATERWARCRIMES.COM

[kloan]

time will tell then I guess?


and Vakker.... why are you so concerned about me? you want to **** me or something? you asked everyone? lol wow. get a life man

I dont give a rats ass about you and could care less what you think. same goes for 80% of the board 54% of the time haha

I dont come here to try and convince idiots anything. you cant.... that is why they are called idiots.

a few smarter guys are cognizant about what is happening in the world, and hopefully one day the christians will put a stop to the domination ambitions of islam

one man on a body building forum is insignificant. I am no threat to you vakker... and rob. The threat is what I, and others are trying to warn you about... and that threat is to our children, and our grand children
I'm convinced. :flowers

*phew*... that was a close one. :cool:

[warlock]

When was the last time that Catholics where slashing people's throats due to a "misrepresentation" of Jesus?

FYI I am atheist

[waderow]

I don't really wanna **** you, but if thats what it takes to show everyone what a bitch you are, then sure. Being cognisant of world events and inventing status to make them into something palatable doesn't make it true, it just means you took something out of context to fit your agenda.

you want to be a retard, go ahead.

If you dont want to **** me, then why are you stalking me?

BTW, how do you know these stats aren't correct? They gave examples of countries in the varying degrees of unrest solely due to islam. What is so outrageous?

PS calling me a "bitch" over the internet is not tough

[Gilmour]

In defense of Mohammed, everyone was ****ing 8 year olds back in the day.

Christians, Jews etc..


Possibly, but no one is still praising them for it. Muslims love Momo for it.

[kloan]

Hahaha... "Momo"

[vakker]

If you dont want to **** me, then why are you stalking me?

BTW, how do you know these stats aren't correct? They gave examples of countries in the varying degrees of unrest solely due to islam. What is so outrageous?

PS calling me a "bitch" over the internet is not tough

Right, so you can't or won't prove them to be correct so you'd rather flip the question and make me prove they are incorrect stats?

okay, you officially lost the argument. jihad jihad berka berka.

PS. stop flirting with me.

[PdH]

Right, so you can't or won't prove them to be correct so you'd rather flip the question and make me prove they are incorrect stats?


It's Waderow's standard tactic. Divert and attempt to place the onus on the other party. He's too lazy to search for facts from reliable sources, so he just beaks off about what he read in the National Post or saw on Fox News. Sorry Waderow, but you're a living, breathing redneck stereotype.

[#8]

In defense of the stats, they were written in this guys book, and he has a PhD. I dont think he made these numbers up for the sake of being anti muslim. There has to be some truth to what he is saying.

[revolution187]

hey Warlock, u asked when the last time catholics slashed throats over religion? they dont, but they do fuk kids, the pope even apologized for cover ups yesterday. the stuff u see in the middleast has nothing to do with religion, its all about power and the guys at the top taliban, bin laden, irans pres, paskistans security(isi) are not muslims they just use islam as a platform to push their genocidal tendencies, they brainwash illiterate people becuase their information and internet type communication either does not exist or it controlled, also when u bomb someones family u create a "terrorist" when in a diff situation he had nothing against us, the people over there think we are all christian fanatics because thats what their govt tells them, over here we are told they are islamist fanatics, do u see what is going on, both parties(citizens) are being lied to by the powers that be and sadly alot of us are buying it and hating each other on false pretenses do urselves a favour and go on google and type in "Loose change movie"

[revolution187]

hey #8 dont beleive people cause they have phd's osama bin laden, saddam hussein and his sons all had phd's, u dont need a phd to be credible u just need common sense and freedom of expression, like what we are practicing on this forum

[dremen]

87% of the time it works everytime:D

[rob66679]

but grown muslim men still are



And its quite popular still among Roman Catholic Priests worldwide apparently.

[rob66679]

When was the last time that Catholics where slashing people's throats due to a "misrepresentation" of Jesus?

FYI I am atheist

look up the army of god and the tactics they use, the IRA, or any Christian fundamentialist group..... Islam definitely doesn't have the monopoly on crazy.

Re. the Authors PHD..... Educated and intelligent are two different things.
I think GW Bush has an ivy league degree....... Harvard I thinks.

[revolution187]

ONE MANS TERRORIST IS ANOTHER MANS FREEDOM FIGHTER

[waderow]

ONE MANS TERRORIST IS ANOTHER MANS FREEDOM FIGHTER

freedom fighters do not target children

[tiramisu]

What I'm getting out of this thread is that there aren't a lot of muslim bodybuilders on this forum.

[BAM]

freedom fighters do not target children

The Americans kills just as many children.

[waderow]

Sorry Waderow, but you're a living, breathing redneck stereotype.

from the guy who cries like a little bitch when someone uses an indian stereotype in your earshot.

you ****ing loser. can dish it, but cant take it. Just like any so called minority out there. You are all so quick to bash, but once you get it back, its HRT and lawyers, and demands, and generally a whole bunch of being a big ****ing baby.

[tiramisu]

The Americans kills just as many children.

Many many more, but that's obviously incidental.

[jack_krauser]

Wade you are one ****ing annoying little bitch.

[natenator]

from the guy who cries like a little bitch when someone uses an indian stereotype in your earshot.

you ****ing loser. can dish it, but cant take it. Just like any so called minority out there. You are all so quick to bash, but once you get it back, its HRT and lawyers, and demands, and generally a whole bunch of being a big ****ing baby.
I only recall one time he said he didn't like the indian remarks. Where are the others? I'm obviously out of the loop!

[rob66679]

Many many more, but that's obviously incidental.

It doesn't matter in Wade's world because Muslim children don't count.

500k dead civilians in Iraq but hey, they were in a terrorist country right? Everybody knows Saddam had WMD's ( because the Americans gave him them ) and everybody knows Iraq was involved in 911, right?

Life must be SO much easier when you live in a black and white world. Nothing to figure out, its all good guys and bad guys, terrorists ( Muslims ) and freedom fighters ( whoever we give aid to ) hard working people
( whites ) and people who live off other peoples hard work and Liberal handouts ( Minorities ).


At least PDH makes an HONEST living, and actually pays taxes on what he makes. I think some people should think about that...........

[rob66679]

What I'm getting out of this thread is that there aren't a lot of muslim bodybuilders on this forum.

Muslims are the easy target these days, everywhere.
Not many around, not many people willing to defend them. If he made the same remarks about Black people or Jews it would strike more of a nerve.... notice how fast the thread about Jewish people was locked?

[PdH]

from the guy who cries like a little bitch when someone uses an indian stereotype in your earshot.

you ****ing loser. can dish it, but cant take it. Just like any so called minority out there. You are all so quick to bash, but once you get it back, its HRT and lawyers, and demands, and generally a whole bunch of being a big ****ing baby.

Heh, heh. Thanks for illustrating my point yet again. Actually, you're not a redneck Waderow, you don't really deserve the 'esteem' of the title with all the bitchy whining and complaining you do on a consistent basis. Wah, there's too many non-white people here, wah, there's too many people that don't think like I do, wah, everyone's disrespecting what my daddy taught me. Wah, I must maintain the illusion of the sanctity of my father's ideology in order to have a life that makes sense. Pinkneck bitch.

Now, have a little emotional tirade like a kid having a temper tantrum on the department store floor.

[PdH]

freedom fighters do not target children

Since when? Name a freedom fighter force that never killed women and children. Name one.

[vakker]

Now, have a little emotional tirade like a kid having a temper tantrum on the department store floor.

quoted for hilarity

[kloan]

Since when? Name a freedom fighter force that never killed women and children. Name one.

Killed or targeted? Sure back in the day, 'Nam for example, some guys lost their marbles and shot women and children.

But today they're usually casualties of war. Roadside bombers don't give a shit who they kill.. the bigger body count, the better.

[BAM]

Killed or targeted? Sure back in the day, 'Nam for example, some guys lost their marbles and shot women and children.

But today they're usually casualties of war. Roadside bombers don't give a shit who they kill.. the bigger body count, the better.

*cough*

They American's label everbody they kill in Iraq and Afganistan as a terrorist.

[vakker]

Killed or targeted? Sure back in the day, 'Nam for example, some guys lost their marbles and shot women and children.

But today they're usually casualties of war. Roadside bombers don't give a shit who they kill.. the bigger body count, the better.

every talked to a solder? they kill people for fun.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Edging toward termination. Try to keep it clean guys.

[kloan]

*cough*

They American's label everbody they kill in Iraq and Afganistan as a terrorist.

I'm not so sure about that Bam. Are you really suggesting that American soldiers are targeting children?

[PdH]

Killed or targeted? Sure back in the day, 'Nam for example, some guys lost their marbles and shot women and children.

But today they're usually casualties of war. Roadside bombers don't give a shit who they kill.. the bigger body count, the better.

Drop a bomb in a city and you're KNOWINGLY going to kill women and children.

[waderow]

Drop a bomb in a city and you're KNOWINGLY going to kill women and children.

are you crying about this?

anyways, open your eyes and view some youtube footage of engagements from drones or manned aircraft and you will see the diligence that the US puts into not having collateral damages. But, the terrorists use human shields from time to time, so some die unfortunately.

but, a bitch like you will want more proof right? want an essay right?

[waderow]

Wade you are one ****ing annoying little bitch.

Im sorry..and who are you?

[rob66679]

I'm not so sure about that Bam. Are you really suggesting that American soldiers are targeting children?

I wouldn't suggest that American soldiers are targeting children..... However some estimates go as high as 500k dead civilians in Iraq.
I would consider any civialian killed in an illegal war a war crime,targeted or not. For that matter, every day in Iraq is a crime.
As defined by the Geneva Convention, which America signed.

We could also get into war crimes by proxy...... IE funding and supporting regimes and nations known to commit them.
Financial support of Israel would be a good place to start, especially in light of recent developments.

[waderow]

Muslims are the easy target these days, everywhere.
Not many around, not many people willing to defend them. If he made the same remarks about Black people or Jews it would strike more of a nerve.... notice how fast the thread about Jewish people was locked?

there you go again with your jew hate....

jews arent killing people. muslims are

[rob66679]

are you crying about this?

anyways, open your eyes and view some youtube footage of engagements from drones or manned aircraft and you will see the diligence that the US puts into not having collateral damages. But, the terrorists use human shields from time to time, so some die unfortunately.

but, a bitch like you will want more proof right? want an essay right?

So I guess the 500k dead civialians in Iraq were from due diligence?
Thats some pretty precise shit right there......

[waderow]

So I guess the 500k dead civialians in Iraq were from due diligence?
Thats some pretty precise shit right there......

they are killing each other as fast as they can.... the US have killed very few

[PdH]

Waderow, my point is based on intellectual analysis and informed consideration. Go watch youtube or play spirograph. By the way, the U.S. house passed the health reform bill today. I bet that raises your blood pressure a few points.

[rob66679]

there you go again with your jew hate....

jews arent killing people. muslims are

Really?

Jew hate?

Elaborate on that. I stated that Israel gets more aid than any other nation on earth.... debate.

I stated that they are in violation of more international laws than any other nation on earth..... debate.

When did I state anything I wasn't willing to back up, or say anything negative about Jewish people? debate?

[kloan]

Drop a bomb in a city and you're KNOWINGLY going to kill women and children.
Well you're still not getting the point. Waderow said 'target'. The US military is NOT targeting men, women and children. They're trying to target terrorists.

Meanwhile, the muslim radical extremist terrorist sacks of shit bomb anyone they feel like. They do target innocent men, women and children.

The difference seems pretty clear to me.

[rob66679]

they are killing each other as fast as they can.... the US have killed very few

Really?
Based on what information from what source?

[rob66679]

Not necessarily.

Terrorists target men, women and children. They don't care who they kill. The US military is trying to target terrorists, not men women and children. Meanwhile, some people keep trying to muddy the line between the two. There is no possibility of doing this. All you're going to achieve is to weaken your argument, if you even have any.

I don't see why anyone would bother trying to defend these 'people'. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who thinks it's ok to bomb people for the sake of their beliefs deserves to be killed. They're not worthy of the gift of life.

Heres my argument.... seeing as we all know now that WMD's were a flat out lie..... who's the terrorist? The Iraqi resistence or American soldiers involved in an illegal war?

[kloan]

Heres my argument.... seeing as we all know now that WMD's were a flat out lie..... who's the terrorist? The Iraqi resistence or American soldiers involved in an illegal war?
Dangit, you quoted me before I could finish my edit.

I don't support the presence of the US in the middle east. Please don't think because I'm responding to a comment and trying to clarify that particular point that I'm suggesting that they're justified in their initial attack and their prolonged presence there.

I'm merely trying to distinguish the difference between the mentality of the US military and the terrorists. I don't imagine for a second that the majority of the US military is as cold, calculated and heartless as the ones bombing their own people for the sake of making a point.

[cog]

If there was no oil there nobody would care.

[BAM]

Dangit, you quoted me before I could finish my edit.

I don't support the presence of the US in the middle east. Please don't think because I'm responding to a comment and trying to clarify that particular point that I'm suggesting that they're justified in their initial attack and their prolonged presence there.

I'm merely trying to distinguish the difference between the mentality of the US military and the terrorists. I don't imagine for a second that the majority of the US military is as cold, calculated and heartless as the ones bombing their own people for the sake of making a point.

No man.. its the bombings

not the ground forces

[PdH]

Well you're still not getting the point. Waderow said 'target'. The US military is NOT targeting men, women and children. They're trying to target terrorists.
Meanwhile, the muslim radical extremist terrorist sacks of shit bomb anyone they feel like. They do target innocent men, women and children.
The difference seems pretty clear to me.

You drop a bomb on a city you are targeting civilians. Women and children are civilians. Seems pretty clear to me.

Using chemical weapons, phosphorous, and napalm in Falluja, blocking aid convoys, strafing houses with high caliber ammunition before entry, and the destruction of water, sanitation and other infrastructure are all considered actions that kill civilians. I'm not saying the actions of those on the other side are any more humanitarian, but let's call it like it truly is. The U.S. is not in Iraq for altruistic reasons and American soldiers aren't any less barbaric than other soldiers. To think they are is truly naive.

[kloan]

You drop a bomb on a city you are targeting civilians. Women and children are civilians. Seems pretty clear to me.

Using chemical weapons, phosphorous, and napalm in Falluja, blocking aid convoys, strafing houses with high caliber ammunition before entry, and the destruction of water, sanitation and other infrastructure are all considered actions that kill civilians. I'm not saying the actions of those on the other side are any more humanitarian, but let's call it like it truly is. The U.S. is not in Iraq for altruistic reasons and American soldiers aren't any less barbaric than other soldiers. To think they are is truly naive.

Well I'll submit some of their tactics are sloppy, and as a result innocent people are killed by them. The US has no business being there, but I still think they're the lesser of two evils.

[jack_krauser]

Im sorry..and who are you?

Member at CBB just like you.

[#8]

^^ exactly. at least after the US wins wars they help develop your nation into something prosperous and beneficial to the rest of the world. ie. Japan

[Gilmour]

they are killing each other as fast as they can.... the US have killed very few
True. Muslims have killed more Muslims than anybody else has and always will.

[waderow]

You drop a bomb on a city you are targeting civilians. Women and children are civilians. Seems pretty clear to me.

Using chemical weapons, phosphorous, and napalm in Falluja, blocking aid convoys, strafing houses with high caliber ammunition before entry, and the destruction of water, sanitation and other infrastructure are all considered actions that kill civilians. I'm not saying the actions of those on the other side are any more humanitarian, but let's call it like it truly is. The U.S. is not in Iraq for altruistic reasons and American soldiers aren't any less barbaric than other soldiers. To think they are is truly naive.

Your emotional opinion noted. But all lies. Can you back up this BS?

[waderow]

Really?
Based on what information from what source?

You back up your BS and ill back up mine

[warlock]

So there is no Muslim threat to the world?

There was no throat slashing due to cartoons?

Terrorism and Islam are just a coincidence?

Death by stoning is not barbaric?

Human rights violations based on religion are not happening?

Women treated as 2nd class citizens is normal?

Violence as way to coerce people into religion is something normal?

State and clergy should be together?

Where have I been?

IRA is a religious fundamentalist group?

I am so misinformed and have no common sense, I am sorry!

[PdH]

Your emotional opinion noted. But all lies. Can you back up this BS?

No Waderow, I just made it all up, like I do everything else I post.

[waderow]

No Waderow, I just made it all up, like I do everything else I post.

nice double standard... a typical liberal trait.

You post up a whole bunch of outright liberal anti-war propaganda, with outrageous atrocities and accusations of war crimes.... but you cant back up anything. Not a word.

I post a few warnings about a muslim threat that is well documented, and I have you and your puppy dogs all at my throat demanding an education on Islam.

Fuuuuuck you are pathetic

[PdH]

Alright Skippy. Here's a few places to start. Let me know if you want more. I've included a few of your standard conservative news sources just to ensure balanced reporting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4442988.stm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1508360.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq

http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/americas/us/war_crimes_fallujah.html

http://dissidentvoice.org/Nov05/Napalm-Iraq.htm

http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-forces-used-chemical-weapons-during-assault-on-city-of-fallujah-514433.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1115-03.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10901.htm

http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/214

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/incendiary-weapons-the-big-white-lie-515664.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread101096/pg1

http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/Fallujah911.htm

http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-whitney021204.htm

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/en/body.asp

http://www.globalaging.org/armedconflict/countryreports/middleeast/iraq/weapon.htm

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/11-20-04/discussion.cgi.4.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/

http://www.albasrah.net/warcrimes.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2004/11/14/1242970.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3464.htm

http://www.uncanny.net/~wsa/iraq1.htm

http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/iraqsummary.htm

http://www.energygrid.com/society/2004/11gh-iraqhealth.html

http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans22.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3826487796319021454#

[waderow]

Alright Skippy. Here's a few places to start. Let me know if you want more. I've included a few of your standard conservative news sources just to ensure balanced reporting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4442988.stm mixed reports, and unsubstantiated use of WP as a chemical weapon. Picture looks more like an illumination device to me. but anyways, who cares.... as (see next point)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200511/s1508360.htm "White phosphorus is a conventional munition. It is not a chemical weapon. They are not outlawed or illegal."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq redundant...and also...who cares as "White phosphorus is a conventional munition. It is not a chemical weapon. They are not outlawed or illegal."

http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/americas/us/war_crimes_fallujah.html ignored due to complete bullshit propaganda site (Biased)

http://dissidentvoice.org/Nov05/Napalm-Iraq.htm should be ignored, but 1. wasnt "napalm". was an upgraded form of it, but really who cares when: "A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm" (wasnt civilian targets)

http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/ ignored due to complete bullshit propaganda site (Biased)


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-forces-used-chemical-weapons-during-assault-on-city-of-fallujah-514433.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1115-03.htm ignored due to complete bullshit propaganda site (Biased)


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10901.htm ignored due to complete bullshit propaganda site (Biased)


http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/214 not sure what you are looking at here, BUT ther is is nothing to see here anyways. Its all just a bunch of interviews with bloggers, and liberal propagandists. BTW.... I love how some commander or LT. in the field makes a statement from a grunts point of view, and then all of a sudden the Lib bloggers are "BREAKING NEWS!!! US ADMITS USE OF bla bla bla" lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/incendiary-weapons-the-big-white-lie-515664.html redundant

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread101096/pg1

http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/Fallujah911.htm redundant

http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-whitney021204.htm

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/en/body.asp

http://www.globalaging.org/armedconflict/countryreports/middleeast/iraq/weapon.htm

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/11-20-04/discussion.cgi.4.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/

http://www.albasrah.net/warcrimes.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2004/11/14/1242970.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3464.htm

http://www.uncanny.net/~wsa/iraq1.htm

http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

http://www.bis.doc.gov/policiesandregulations/iraqsummary.htm

http://www.energygrid.com/society/2004/11gh-iraqhealth.html

http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans22.html

took a brief look see, and made some points. Mostly bullshit you posted there, but a few articles with substance about WP, which btw was anticlimactic. Who cares about the assault on Falluja. Isnt this about 500K dead civilians? War crimes? Bush the antichrist?

Lieutenant Colonel Steve Boylan, a US military spokesman in Baghdad, said 71 US troops were killed in Fallujah during the offensive launched on November 8.

I guess those so called innocent civilians werent so innocent?

The US military has estimated that 1,200 to 1,600 insurgents were killed in the offensive. According to the insurgents, it was all women and children, but they forgot to take pictures. Now.... Pdh. Can you account for the other 498400 civilians if we are going to believe the insurgents that there was no combatants killed in falluja?

[PdH]

Your willful blindness is beyond discernment. Do you even have the capacity to think? Conservative media reports denials, and then much later when documents are exposed, confirmation by the pentagon of illegal uses (targeting civilians) of white phosphorous and napalm. Yet you completely discount it and fall in line with anything they report. You'd make a good SS disciple or a great head sheep.

[waderow]

Your willful blindness is beyond discernment. Do you even have the capacity to think? Conservative media reports denials, and then much later when documents are exposed, confirmation by the pentagon of illegal uses (targeting civilians) of white phosphorous and napalm. Yet you completely discount it and fall in line with anything they report. You'd make a good SS disciple or a great head sheep.

I would say the same about you. I have already posted countless items pertaining to islam, in various threads. Always ignored by you bleeding heart sheep.

Now... Where exactly did the pentagon confirm using napalm and WP on civilians? lol

BTW...pdh...why are you so mad? Youre not on the bottle again are you? calm down bro. SS disciple??? pffft. Chancellor maybe

[PdH]

I have no love for Islam or Sharia law. In fact, I despise Sharia law and don't much care for any organized religion. That said, I wont ignore the reprehensible actions of those in the western world simply b/c I have more in common with them.

I haven't worked out since the accident which may be affecting my mood. I'll try to keep that in mind.

As for the confirmation, read the stories and then piece the facts together. Analysis and synthesis.

[waderow]

I have no love for Islam or Sharia law. In fact, I despise Sharia law and don't much care for any organized religion. That said, I wont ignore the reprehensible actions of those in the western world simply b/c I have more in common with them.

I haven't worked out since the accident which may be affecting my mood. I'll try to keep that in mind.

As for the confirmation, read the stories and then piece the facts together. Analysis and synthesis.

I have read plenty, and have followed the situation from day 1.

I have come to my own conclusions based on logic, and an ability to see past the Liberal propaganda machine which has skewed so many of you gullible student types.

You guys play right into the hands of the muslims who have been crying wolf for years against Israel, and have mastered their ability to tug on the heart strings of the weak. Swaying you simple folk was easy for them.

Afganistan was a terrorist hub, and required international policing after it began to affect the rest of the world. Ignoring the terrorist roots in the country is as you say "willful blindness". Additionally, the Taliban regime was a disgusting oppressive savage dictatorship, which caused more human rights atrocities then 1000 iraq wars. You would think bleeding hearts like yourself would be all for this military action.

Iraq was a cluster **** and was led by a belligerent and hostile government that was contributing to international crime, had a history of violence and creating hostility in the region, had UN sanctions against it and violated them willfully, and had WMD's. The WMD's were hidden or exported to Iran or Syria, but they did in fact exist. You may recall some war crimes on some Kurdish people? You may recall that the Iraqi army in the late 80's carried out a genocidal and chemical attack against women and children? You cry for bushes head on a plate for a little WP, but you think that this behavior is fine? WTF? So Iraq had killed nearly 200K kurds, and done so with chemical weapons? Should they not pay the piper? So Iraq had WMD and had a history of using them. Should they not pay the piper? So Iraq had a history of attacking and instigating WARS with peaceful neighbors. Should they not pay the piper? Iraq had terrorist ties. Should they not pay the piper? Iraq violated UN resolutions with contempt. Should they not pay the piper?

The reason the Iraq war is in so much conflicting discussion, is solely due to the Lib propaganda machine, and their amazingly effective efforts in undermining the republicans preceding this new democratic government, which btw is looking more and more like a communist dictatorship every day.



How on earth can you people see things so differently then I?

[warlock]

Afganistan was a terrorist hub, and required international policing after it began to affect the rest of the world. Ignoring the terrorist roots in the country is as you say "willful blindness". Additionally, the Taliban regime was a disgusting oppressive savage dictatorship, which caused more human rights atrocities then 1000 iraq wars. You would think bleeding hearts like yourself would be all for this military action. Does it mean that we should invade Zimbabwe and Saudi Arabia as well?

The reason the Iraq war is in so much conflicting discussion, is solely due to the Lib propaganda machine, and their amazingly effective efforts in undermining the republicans preceding this new democratic government, which btw is looking more and more like a communist dictatorship every day.
Americans can learn one thing or two from communists like education and healthcare.


....

[waderow]

....


are they attacking the rest of the world?

like it has worked so well in communist countries?

[warlock]

Saudi arabia is the greatest financer of terrorism in teh world but they have 3 rtillions of dollars in teh States tehrefore no one will touch them.

Zimbabwe is not in a conflict of interest with americans tehrefore they don't care as long as they can make their buck.

Well Americans are always attacking anyone that doesn't think like them even other Americans.

Cuba has an educational system and health care that outs shame in the USA.

[waderow]

Saudi arabia is the greatest financer of terrorism in teh world but they have 3 rtillions of dollars in teh States tehrefore no one will touch them.

Zimbabwe is not in a conflict of interest with americans tehrefore they don't care as long as they can make their buck.

Well Americans are always attacking anyone that doesn't think like them even other Americans.

Cuba has an educational system and health care that outs shame in the USA.

Have you ever been to Cuba? Not a place I want anything to do with, even if they do have white sand, and good rum.

Shit hole comes to mind. But, I guess just like everything else in the world...lets blame the USA right?

So the USA doesn't trade with them because they are a communist dictatorship. Isnt pure socialism/communism supposed to be self sufficient?

PS Everywhere Islam exports terror. My point from the start

[RagingRandy]

Cuba has an educational system and health care that outs shame in the USA.
As a person that has traveled to Cuba more times than I can remember and have a wife who is Cuban I can speak about this from first hand experience. You are deluded along with that moron Michael Moore.

The Cuban health care system is in disarray. They do not have any modern diagnostic equipment and medication is scarce. I needed to send my MIL glucosamine from Canada because it was unavailable on the island. I used to take Extra-strength Tylenol down for a doctor friend who was ecstatic because "it was the good stuff" as it was 500mg per tablet.

The educational system is better than most countries at Cuba's financial level. I will agree to that. But, as internet is illegal to have in private residences you are relying on the education from the government and unable to challenge what your are being taught. This alone makes me question the validity of their education system. That and having people educated but not having jobs for them to use those skills is of no value.

[vakker]

He backed his up. You said you would too, come on, you keep wanting others to do it yet you won't. Put up or shut up time.



took a brief look see, and made some points.

[vakker]

are they attacking the rest of the world?

like it has worked so well in communist countries?

When did Iraq attack the USA?

China seems to be doing okay with its adoption of communism.

[#8]

^^ lol yeah, no human rights violations there going on by the hundreds of thousands. Have you ever talked to anyone who lived in china for an extended period of time that wasnt well off?

not such a great place.

[rob66679]

I have read plenty, and have followed the situation from day 1.

I have come to my own conclusions based on logic, and an ability to see past the Liberal propaganda machine which has skewed so many of you gullible student types.

You guys play right into the hands of the muslims who have been crying wolf for years against Israel, and have mastered their ability to tug on the heart strings of the weak. Swaying you simple folk was easy for them.

Afganistan was a terrorist hub, and required international policing after it began to affect the rest of the world. Ignoring the terrorist roots in the country is as you say "willful blindness". Additionally, the Taliban regime was a disgusting oppressive savage dictatorship, which caused more human rights atrocities then 1000 iraq wars. You would think bleeding hearts like yourself would be all for this military action.

Iraq was a cluster **** and was led by a belligerent and hostile government that was contributing to international crime, had a history of violence and creating hostility in the region, had UN sanctions against it and violated them willfully, and had WMD's. The WMD's were hidden or exported to Iran or Syria, but they did in fact exist. You may recall some war crimes on some Kurdish people? You may recall that the Iraqi army in the late 80's carried out a genocidal and chemical attack against women and children? You cry for bushes head on a plate for a little WP, but you think that this behavior is fine? WTF? So Iraq had killed nearly 200K kurds, and done so with chemical weapons? Should they not pay the piper? So Iraq had WMD and had a history of using them. Should they not pay the piper? So Iraq had a history of attacking and instigating WARS with peaceful neighbors. Should they not pay the piper? Iraq had terrorist ties. Should they not pay the piper? Iraq violated UN resolutions with contempt. Should they not pay the piper?

The reason the Iraq war is in so much conflicting discussion, is solely due to the Lib propaganda machine, and their amazingly effective efforts in undermining the republicans preceding this new democratic government, which btw is looking more and more like a communist dictatorship every day.



How on earth can you people see things so differently then I?

Because you're a typical redneck conservative..... You see things in such a black and white way its scary, and you willingly choose to ignore the whole other side.

If you're going to bring up the whole Iraq/Saddam's a bastard issue, you need to remember who gave Saddam WMD's in the first place. You need to remember who reinstated diplomatic ties a few months after he gassed people.
Saddam was a creation of America.
And as long as he was gassing Iranians ( another issue you should research ) America was fine with it.
It only became a problem when he threatened America's oil supply ( Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

And the most amazing part of all this hypocritical bullshit is how you bring up violated UN resolutions as a justification to invade..... If thats the bar we're going by Israel should have been invaded 20 years ago ( the most violations of anybody by far ).
But we all know on Wade's world Israel is a great example of white people working together towards a common goal.

So you can sit there and say invading Iraq was for the greater good, blah blah blah........ But the root cause of all this shit was for the greater good IE stopping communism.
You should look up Einstein's definition of insanity.

[vakker]

^^ lol yeah, no human rights violations there going on by the hundreds of thousands. Have you ever talked to anyone who lived in china for an extended period of time that wasnt well off?

not such a great place.

so what you are asking me, is if I have talked to any person who went and lived in a poor area of china for fun? or talked to a poor Chinese farmer?

gonna have to say no. but with the flip side of that, ever live on a reservation?

[rob66679]

^^ exactly. at least after the US wins wars they help develop your nation into something prosperous and beneficial to the rest of the world. ie. Japan

Or they just have the CIA overthrow your elected government, and install whatever dictator they feel will suit their own interests.
Saddam was certainly beneficial..... he even gave them an excuse to gain access to a huge supply of oil on his way out.

[RagingRandy]

China seems to be doing okay with its adoption of communism.
I am not even sure where to begin. I am making the assumption (correct me if I am wrong) that this refers to financial. A nations well-being can not be solely judged on its economic power. This is a trap most here and elsewhere fall into. They feel if all is well economically that the government of the day is doing it's job. I would suggest that is at the economic good times that we turn our attention to social responsibility to a greater degree. Economic stability is one way that China has kept its people in line. Let us not forget our history as it was Hitler who brought Germany out of a financial depression. This gained him favour with the people, all the while committing untold atrocities. People would turn a blind eye to what was going on socially because they were "doing ok".

The Communism in China today is not the hard-line Marxist Communism of the past. Today free enterprise is allowed. In the past people even advocating such a thing were killed for their beliefs. The Communism of China has changed with the times. It needed to to survive. I would liken it more to Socialism than true Communism.

People are still repressed for their beliefs whether it be political or religious. A truly strong country or even person welcomes dissension.

[waderow]

Because you're a typical redneck conservative..... You see things in such a black and white way its scary, and you willingly choose to ignore the whole other side.

If you're going to bring up the whole Iraq/Saddam's a bastard issue, you need to remember who gave Saddam WMD's in the first place. You need to remember who reinstated diplomatic ties a few months after he gassed people.
Saddam was a creation of America.
And as long as he was gassing Iranians ( another issue you should research ) America was fine with it.
It only became a problem when he threatened America's oil supply ( Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

And the most amazing part of all this hypocritical bullshit is how you bring up violated UN resolutions as a justification to invade..... If thats the bar we're going by Israel should have been invaded 20 years ago ( the most violations of anybody by far ).
But we all know on Wade's world Israel is a great example of white people working together towards a common goal.

So you can sit there and say invading Iraq was for the greater good, blah blah blah........ But the root cause of all this shit was for the greater good IE stopping communism.
You should look up Einstein's definition of insanity.

if I give you a gun, its a guarantee you kill someone and become a murderer right?
****ing liberals are so stupid

[Gilmour]

so what you are asking me, is if I have talked to any person who went and lived in a poor area of china for fun? or talked to a poor Chinese farmer?

gonna have to say no. but with the flip side of that, ever live on a reservation?
Are you comparing a reservation to China? Gimme a break.

[Gilmour]

So there is no Muslim threat to the world?

There was no throat slashing due to cartoons?

Terrorism and Islam are just a coincidence?

Death by stoning is not barbaric?

Human rights violations based on religion are not happening?

Women treated as 2nd class citizens is normal?

Violence as way to coerce people into religion is something normal?

State and clergy should be together?

Where have I been?

IRA is a religious fundamentalist group?

I am so misinformed and have no common sense, I am sorry!


No, you are bang on in your thinking bro. You have summed up Islamic fundamentalists quite accurately. They are savages and have been since Islam was created. Not all of Islam, not all Muslims, very few in fact. The fundamentalists are completely mad though. Scum of the earth.

[#8]

Are you comparing a reservation to China? Gimme a break.

exactly.

[Sandwiches]

in-dubitably :) lol

[warlock]

Have you ever been to Cuba? Not a place I want anything to do with, even if they do have white sand, and good rum. You are entitled to have your likes and dislikes

Shit hole comes to mind. But, I guess just like everything else in the world...lets blame the USA right? I refuse to engage in this type of childish behaviour. You are much smarter than this

So the USA doesn't trade with them because they are a communist dictatorship. Isnt pure socialism/communism supposed to be self sufficient? They trade with anyone that will represent profit (China is a piece of crap and best buddies with the USA)

PS Everywhere Islam exports terror. My point from the start Agreed 100%


...

[warlock]

I believe that like most groups there are the rotten apples in it.

The fanatic-bomb-blasting-women-molesting-child-abusers-"mohamed-certified" muslism are beyond that point they are poisonous apples: one bite and you are done!

It happens that if you have 10.000 fanatic of any other religion they will say a lot of crap, disturb society and so on. Muslims are no joke and inside their insanity killing is admitted as something sacred. Yes they may be a minority but they are the most dangerous type because they have no respect for life, not other people's life, their own family or theirs.

Every other religion has insane people with insane ideas, in their case they have violent actions therefore they are a real treat to every and anyone.

The incapability of the Muslims in containing their own insane litter is quite disturbing and for me poses a real immediate treat. Unfortunately in a PC society nothing will be done and this illness will continue to spread.

It is a matter of values in the PC society the values are of acceptance and respect.

Their values a re somewhat different

[BAM]

Allied forces that die over there are not dying over there for me. They aren't fighting for me, they are fighting for some rich jews. They are dying for rich jews.
They are killing for rich jews.

The highway of hero's should be renamed.

I tried to avoid this thread.. but

"The Light is GrEeeeeeeeN"!

http://prothink.org <----------------

[faller]

THIS JUST IN!!

Muslim suicide bombers in Britain are set to begin a three-day strike on Monday in a dispute over the number of virgins they are entitled to in the afterlife. Emergency talks with Al Qaeda have so far failed to produce an agreement.

The unrest began last Tuesday when Al Qaeda announced that the number of virgins a suicide bomber would receive after his death will be cut by 25% this February from 72 to only 60. The rationale for the cut was the increase in recent years of the number of suicide bombings and a subsequent shortage of virgins in the afterlife.

The suicide bombers' union, the British Organization of Occupational Martyrs ( or B.O.O.M.) responded with a statement that this was unacceptable to its members and immediately balloted for strike action. General Secretary Abdullah Amir told the press, "Our members are literally working themselves to death in the cause of Jihad. We don't ask for much in return but to be treated like this is like a kick in the teeth".

Speaking from his shed in Tipton in the West Midlands in which he currently resides, Al Qaeda chief executive Osama bin Laden explained, "We sympathize with our workers concerns but Al Qaeda is simply not in a position to meet their demands. They are simply not accepting the realities of modern-day Jihad in a competitive marketplace.

Thanks to Western depravity, there is now a chronic shortage of virgins in the afterlife. It's a straight choice between reducing expenditure and laying people off. I don't like cutting wages but I'd hate to have to tell 3000 of my staff that they won't be able to blow themselves up."

Spokespersons for the union in the North East of England, Ireland , Wales and the entire Australian continent stated that the strike would not affect their operations as "There are no virgins in their areas anyway".

Apparently the drop in the number of suicide bombings has been put down to the emergence of that Scottish singing star, Susan Boyle - now that Muslims know what a virgin looks like that they are not so keen on going to paradise.

[BAM]

Apparently the drop in the number of suicide bombings has been put down to the emergence of that Scottish singing star, Susan Boyle - now that Muslims know what a virgin looks like that they are not so keen on going to paradise.
[/B]

haha

[rob66679]

if I give you a gun, its a guarantee you kill someone and become a murderer right?
****ing liberals are so stupid

Stupid is giving Saddam chemical weapons and then expecting him to act responsibly with them.
Stupid is invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam on the pretext of securing the WMD's that AMERICA gave him.
Where is the ****in logic?


Thats the weakest response I think I've heard yet out of you........and thats saying something.

You could get into the legitimacy of the UN, how you selectively back its resolutions as a justifycation for war, or why arming dictators with WMD's is a good idea.
But in typical redneck conservative fashion, you'll just duck the questions that don't fit into your black and white world and keep slinging.

[Gilmour]

Stupid is giving Saddam chemical weapons and then expecting him to act responsibly with them.
Stupid is invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam on the pretext of securing the WMD's that AMERICA gave him.
Where is the ****in logic?


Thats the weakest response I think I've heard yet out of you........and thats saying something.

You could get into the legitimacy of the UN, how you selectively back its resolutions as a justifycation for war, or why arming dictators with WMD's is a good idea.
But in typical redneck conservative fashion, you'll just duck the questions that don't fit into your black and white world and keep slinging.


There is no logic, I agree. The reason for going to Iraq had nothing to do with WMD or Saddam being behind 9/11. Oil and a family vendetta is about all it adds up to. **** , there tunred out to be no WMD and anyone who thinks Bush thought there was WMD there is bonkers. WMD and 9/11 were just convenient justifications for invading Iraq.

[cog]

We westerners have been after Iraqi oil for close to a hundred years now.

[evoke]

THIS JUST IN!!


Thanks to Western depravity, there is now a chronic shortage of virgins in the afterlife. It's a straight choice between reducing expenditure and laying people off. I don't like cutting wages but I'd hate to have to tell 3000 of my staff that they won't be able to blow themselves up."


lol what a tough job they have

[faller]

lol what a tough job they have

Wander what their life insurance coverage costs..

[BAM]

*cough* afterlife insurance