Do you believe Flex Wheeler was myostatin deficient?

[bottleneckblooz]

I call bullshit on that claim. I also call bullshit on his kidney failure being caused by a genetic condidtion.

[Mr.Freeze]

not true

[shortfatugly]

this topic was covered on another site, in great depth, there was even an interview with the author of the scientific study in which wheeler and a bunch of other like minded knobs participated . The owner of Balco for whatever reason, offered up this motley group of bums are subjects for the study.

The scientist involved was actually quite naive about bodybuilders and hadn't realized that steroids were part of the regimen. He was certain that he would discover that all these wonder athletes were incredibly naturally genetically gifted and unique.

He was astounded when he found absolutely nothing of interest in these bodybuilders. NOthing. They were normal in every area imagineable.

Wheeler was a second tier bodybuilder who only rose to greatness on the back of massive amounts of synthol injections into but not restricted exclusively to:

1. his "cannonball ' deltoids,
2. his middle back.
3. his rear deltoids
4. his upper outer chest
5. his calves
6. his amazing biceps..

other that shawn Ray, no other professional called Wheeler out on his synthol use . MOst likely due to the fact that many other people were using it as well.

This URBAN MYTH about wheeler's myostatin status is of his own making. HE seems to be the one spreading this rumour. In my opinion, kenneth Wheeler is Fricking DELUSIONAL. He has read his own press so much and blown his own horn that he now believes the lies. He doesn't even know what is true anymore.

I think that Wheeler is going to have a breakdown and collapse into complete insanity within 10 -15 years. unless he figures out the lies from the real man. He's pathetic.

He had no intensity in the gym. IT is legend how he simply coasted in the gym and relied heavily on steroids, pain killers and other things, apart from the synthol to get thru his daily routine.

There was absolutely nothing more he could have done had he trained even smarter though. his genetics WERE horrible: skinny, narrow shouldered, bad calves. With lots of juice and some training, his good points ( what a great leg sweep, small narrow waist and he had good biceps prior to synthol injections ) did come up. But nothing he did could compensate for his lack of upper chest thickness and lack of back width, narrow shoulders and all the rest.

HIs 1993 Arnold win in which he looked incredible and every bit a mutant - it is now pathetic as this was his peak due to his usage of synthol.

This is not a case of BEn JOhnson who did what everyone was doing. The use of synthol goes beyond the use of steroids. With steroids, you still have to train and eat correctly, do cardio etc. With synthol, you get muscles within days and don't have to do a thing other than slowly inject.

there are other threads that deal with whether people think synthol use is cheating.

[shortfatugly]

his name Flex came not from his muscles but from his flexibility in his martial arts.

He could do the splits or was very flexible with his legs.

He is/was a pretty good martial art competitor.

When he is not out fighting car-hi -jacking ninjas on his way to the Mr. Olympia or falling on knitting needles, you could find him checking out the price of synthol.

[bottleneckblooz]

When he is not out fighting car-hi -jacking ninjas on his way to the Mr. Olympia or falling on knitting needles, you could find him checking out the price of synthol.


LOL, that pretty much sums it up. I agree 100% w/ your posts.

[Houstonbc]

its pretty funny how hes in all those supplement ads now sporting the shirt with the slogan "NATURAL FREAK'

[shithead]

Crazy...he even talks crazy now.

Awesome in his prime though.

[guest1]

I called him out on the synthol use over at MD and got no reply . Methinks if he was at all innocent he may have responded to a regular Joe with nothing but scorn and denial . He was great and maybe deserved an Olympia or two but the bottom line was that he often did not come in at anywhere near his best . Instead he tried to overcompensate by using synthol when by his own admission he wasn't the hardest trainer in the pro ranks . **** him and his kidneys .

[MuSuLPhReAk]

flex natural....lol

[shortfatugly]

what i find amusing- but not really surprising- is that so many people who should know better are repeating this complete bullisht nonsense. Not us here but apparently a professor at some university was telling his class that Flex wheeler is an example of a person who is myostatin deficient or whatever the fcuk.

It's complete nonsense and you'd think that he'd know better but he was probably some middle age wannabe who ended all his sentences with " peace out" to try to fit in with the boys and girls. Trying to be cool, he dropped that bomb about Wheeler to his students in his class.

The professor is a complete asshat and any student who knew the truth immediately realized what an insecure cretin the professor was. He was trying to curry favor with the crew by pretending to know something about something.

ANgus' point is a good one- should he have won an olympia, this would have been something to talk about as the topic of synthol would have been front page and center.

Ray wouldn't have been able to keep his mouth shut seeing as how Wheeler made a fortune out of being on synthol. Ray kept quiet mostly about the little wins and even ignored the Arnold 93' but had Wheeler won the olympia, Ray would have had verbal diarhhea about Whiner's synthol use.

The sport wouldn't have changed but Wheeler would be more infamous than famous. His name would forever be linked to synthol use and cheating. Its' hard to imagine the idea of cheating in bodybuilding but " pulling a wheeler " would be synonymous with getting away with a fast one.

Thankfully he always come in a little soft and with a fat or watery ass/hamstrings at the Olympia.

I believe that it was Chris Cormier who said that Wheeler was going to kill himself by his use of "exotic drugs" in his attempt to catch Ronnie Coleman. it was almost true.

edited in so it didn't bump this again,

AFter Wheeler realized his time was up- so to speak- he blamed his poor showing on politics and his body's non-reaction to steroids - he made a big announcement that he was retiring from BB. He then decided to enter the Mr. Olympia without using any steroids/drugs of any kind. I think that year he finished 5th.

THe facts about his being ' natural' : he never came off. I don't remember how it was discovered but it was discovered that he was loaded with gear!

He fessed up in a couple of articles and ads: he said that he couldn't figure out why ANYONE would want to train without being on steroids. He said that he had a couple of workouts without being on juice and he hated it. He couldn't stand working out without drugs helping him. He wrote that he was sore and was in pain from the workouts.

So he went back on and didn't tell his sponsors. I think that most people "in the know" realized that he was lying about his drug use but few people really care.

Now he thinks that he is a great photographer: perhaps but only if he can somehow inject synthol into the lens.

THe guy is a huge flake and doesn't seem able to remember his lies.

He lies about things or he'll say the most ridiculous lie in order to cover his ass, not even caring if it appears crazy, and then afterwards completely forget whatever it was that he said.

It appears now that he doesn't remember that he admitted to using steroids while promoting his bad ass self as being natural.

He attracts a certain personality person who worships him. From what I remember of him back in the day- he had very few friends but many hangers-on who quickly disappeared when the lights grew dim. Not many people could tolerate him.

Many people tried to help him for some reason- not realizing that Wheeler is a nutbar who wouldn't listen to anyone.

BBing attracts a great many people just like this unfortunately. Its an obsession minded sport so we get obsessive type people. But some take it a little too far.

or far too far in Whiner's case.

Somewhere , deep inside that flaky mountain of a man, there is a terrified little boy with his hand caught in the cookie jar, all the while telling people that :

1. he is not trying to steal the cookies,
2. it's not his hand that is in the jar.
3. its not a jar.
4. they are not cookies.

[dainbramaged]

you almost sound like you know him personally..?

[SteveMan]

interesting. Looking beyond him on a personal level I think he needs a little more recognition for what he brought to the table. He managed to craft one hell of a body, regardless of the methods he used.

[D-S]

All top pros use synthol...to be able to compete its a must...its actually a great substance to use, if done properly...it stretches the muscle fascia, slowly disapiates and new muscle grows into the open space....again if done properly, just like any other drug..use with care and caution

[O-Train]

All top pros use synthol...to be able to compete its a must...its actually a great substance to use, if done properly...it stretches the muscle fascia, slowly disapiates and new muscle grows into the open space....again if done properly, just like any other drug..use with care and caution

This is off topic but what does everyone think of extreme stretching? It's basically stretching under load directly after you finish exercising with that muscle group. So if you workout chest you would then grab a couple dumbells and drop into the bottom of a fly position and hold it for 60-90 seconds. It's supposed to stretch the fascia surrounding the muscle because of the tension and increased localized blood flow. I've only seen it in DC training but it could be used by a others also.

I have no idea if it works and there isn't really anything in the way of scientific information but the synthol thing makes me wonder. Personally I have been growing (naturally) quite a bit since I started doing extreme stretching but it would more likely be any number of other factors.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

18-0 no.

[SteveMan]

This is off topic but what does everyone think of extreme stretching? It's basically stretching under load directly after you finish exercising with that muscle group. So if you workout chest you would then grab a couple dumbells and drop into the bottom of a fly position and hold it for 60-90 seconds. It's supposed to stretch the fascia surrounding the muscle because of the tension and increased localized blood flow. I've only seen it in DC training but it could be used by a others also.

I have no idea if it works and there isn't really anything in the way of scientific information but the synthol thing makes me wonder. Personally I have been growing (naturally) quite a bit since I started doing extreme stretching but it would more likely be any number of other factors.

I did a chest routine that ended with holding flys for 90 sec for 3 sets. Didn't notice a difference to be honest.

[Musclehead]

This isn't a serious question is it?

[Ritch]

Just wanted to add that he is my favorite all time. I don`t care that he uses synthol, like mentioned they all do. Nor do I care if you can`t see all the seperations in the rear delts. Not a fan of looking ultra ripped anyways. If that were the case guys like Palumbo would be pro. The structure has has is just amazing. His all time best pics are in this thread.

Was dissapointed to hear him admit that he was using stuff when he said he was natural, he does indeed seem to change his stories. Said he was natural, then said he was only on hrt, then upped the hrt doses... Can`t be easy when you`ve been on for so long and aggressive. Watched him on youtube doing some routines and seemed to be very cocky hence the asshole wheeler attitude we all hear about and confesses he was. But that`s all good c`ause he found God now right?

All in all he was one of the best yet only made the covers of the mags something like 2 or 3 times. All the drugs they take and fake friends can alter one`s ego, I have no problem with that. Just think of the average joe who does a cycle gets jacked and you seen a new person come out. Anyway I know I would be a little phat headed if I were him.

[Nicknroll]

LOL this thread make me laugh a bit ......you gyus have to know that more then the half of the pro BBeers are myostatin deficient......all BBers that are not strong enough for their size are myostatin deficient...its not an urban legend lol that is just a fact.... I had an hour talk with Charles Poliquin about that.......Ronnie is a monster and he work his ass off to get there hes not myostatin deficient......Dorian Yates on the other side is myo def. why anyone cannot be on this very big stage.....you think its normal to put 10-15 lbs a year while doing 2-3 shows a year NOT......maybe Flex was myo def and maybe not i just never saw him train.....Im with Charles Poliquin this weekend i will ask him hes taught on that one....and i will come back with is word....

[Ritch]

But wouldn`t someone who is myodeficient be already big before lifting weights? Flex and Dorian were skinny before lifting. I think they just have great genetics and receptors for gear.

[broken7]

Flex myostatin deficient my ass. He's one of my fav bodybuilders but come on what a crock of shit. If he was really myostatin deficient he wouldn't have needed to juice his brains out for two decades. Have you guys seen the Begian blue bull ? That is in fact a myostatin deficient breed and they are real. Google for images and If you think they are photoshops you can watch bigger stronger faster where they go see one in person.

Anyone heard of Michael Lockett ? He claims to be natural, walks around with an 8 pack and lean glutes year round, eats poorly and not much. If he is in fact natural he likely has a myostatin deficiency.

[guest1]

this topic was covered on another site, in great depth, there was even an interview with the author of the scientific study in which wheeler and a bunch of other like minded knobs participated . The owner of Balco for whatever reason, offered up this motley group of bums are subjects for the study.

The scientist involved was actually quite naive about bodybuilders and hadn't realized that steroids were part of the regimen. He was certain that he would discover that all these wonder athletes were incredibly naturally genetically gifted and unique.

He was astounded when he found absolutely nothing of interest in these bodybuilders. NOthing. They were normal in every area imagineable.

Wheeler was a second tier bodybuilder who only rose to greatness on the back of massive amounts of synthol injections into but not restricted exclusively to:

1. his "cannonball ' deltoids,
2. his middle back.
3. his rear deltoids
4. his upper outer chest
5. his calves
6. his amazing biceps..

other that shawn Ray, no other professional called Wheeler out on his synthol use . MOst likely due to the fact that many other people were using it as well.

This URBAN MYTH about wheeler's myostatin status is of his own making. HE seems to be the one spreading this rumour. In my opinion, kenneth Wheeler is Fricking DELUSIONAL. He has read his own press so much and blown his own horn that he now believes the lies. He doesn't even know what is true anymore.

I think that Wheeler is going to have a breakdown and collapse into complete insanity within 10 -15 years. unless he figures out the lies from the real man. He's pathetic.

He had no intensity in the gym. IT is legend how he simply coasted in the gym and relied heavily on steroids, pain killers and other things, apart from the synthol to get thru his daily routine.

There was absolutely nothing more he could have done had he trained even smarter though. his genetics WERE horrible: skinny, narrow shouldered, bad calves. With lots of juice and some training, his good points ( what a great leg sweep, small narrow waist and he had good biceps prior to synthol injections ) did come up. But nothing he did could compensate for his lack of upper chest thickness and lack of back width, narrow shoulders and all the rest.

HIs 1993 Arnold win in which he looked incredible and every bit a mutant - it is now pathetic as this was his peak due to his usage of synthol.

This is not a case of BEn JOhnson who did what everyone was doing. The use of synthol goes beyond the use of steroids. With steroids, you still have to train and eat correctly, do cardio etc. With synthol, you get muscles within days and don't have to do a thing other than slowly inject.

there are other threads that deal with whether people think synthol use is cheating.


Great post . Synthol is for lazy ****s.