do gains stop after wk10?

[revolution187]

hey guys i was on iron mag forum and apparently someone claims after week 8-10 gains "peeter out", but no one from this forum has ever said anything about that, is this true? why would people do 20 weekers if gains slow right down after 10 weeks, what are ur guys experiences, at what week do ur gains slow?

[rated_rko]

solidify gains...or eat more and make more..thats what i did for last yrs cycle of mine

[revolution187]

i see said the blind man to his deaf wife while watching their quadriplegic son do backflips on the front porch

[kloan]

pish posh. eat more
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[L3]

switch compounds and or test esters if you're that worried

[theboss]

solidify gains...or eat more and make more..thats what i did for last yrs cycle of mine

true words.

[bigtavi8]

On slow esters typically week 6-15 is the peak. I dont believe that gains stop after week ten whatsoever. There is no dramatic drop in blood level testosterone so why would gains be affected. Becoming adapted to the higher test level. NOpe.Your body in 10 weeks will not adapt to such a superphysiological amount of test. So IMHO and just common sense that seems to be wrong but i could be off base.

BUT it may seem like gains come to a halt because of the original first 3-4 weeks you bloat up because you just started.

[theboss]

On slow esters typically week 6-15 is the peak.

thats a pretty wide spread you got there......lol

[bigtavi8]

hahah the word peak is all wrong. I dont no what word i mean but thats when the shit feels like it really kicks ass and is at full potential. The PEAK per say i dont no but i mean thats when i notice the gains to really pour on. 6-15. That was coupled with a very high amount of clean calories tho.

[tiramisu]

So how much do you actually gain in a 12 week or even a 20 week cycle. 3 or 5 pounds of muscle is likely what you get. The rest is water or fat. That you stop pumping extra water into your muscles after a couple of months doesn't have a strong correlation to the muscle synthesis as far as I can tell.

In a year I may put on 10 or 12 pounds of real muscle at the same body fat if I'm lucky. This year I did. Next year maybe not.

[dremen]

hey guys i was on iron mag forum and apparently someone claims after week 8-10 gains "peeter out", but no one from this forum has ever said anything about that, is this true? why would people do 20 weekers if gains slow right down after 10 weeks, what are ur guys experiences, at what week do ur gains slow?

If you switch up your lifting routine every 8 weeks or so and your diet is up to par then gains should still be slow n steady.

[tiramisu]

I can't believe I removed dremen from my ignore list to read this.

Why oh why oh why would you be changing your lifting routine? This is just wrong.
C'mon dremen, stop saying shit like this.

If you are on a good productive routine there is absolutely no need to be changing it. In the last 3 years I have used 3 routines. Starting Strength, 5x5, and DC. The only one that required changing was Starting Strength when I outgrew it after 18 months.

If you are changing routines every 8 weeks I can promise you that you are limiting your gains on whatever program you are attempting to use.

[dremen]

I can't believe I removed dremen from my ignore list to read this.

Why oh why oh why would you be changing your lifting routine? This is just wrong.
C'mon dremen, stop saying shit like this.

If you are on a good productive routine there is absolutely no need to be changing it. In the last 3 years I have used 3 routines. Starting Strength, 5x5, and DC. The only one that required changing was Starting Strength when I outgrew it after 18 months.

If you are changing routines every 8 weeks I can promise you that you are limiting your gains on whatever program you are attempting to use.

Well if you don't like what I say put me back on ignore and STFU bro.

There are some of us who penefit from switching things up every few month. To each there own I would hope.

[Big D]

I can't believe I removed dremen from my ignore list to read this.

Why oh why oh why would you be changing your lifting routine? This is just wrong.
C'mon dremen, stop saying shit like this.

If you are on a good productive routine there is absolutely no need to be changing it. In the last 3 years I have used 3 routines. Starting Strength, 5x5, and DC. The only one that required changing was Starting Strength when I outgrew it after 18 months.

If you are changing routines every 8 weeks I can promise you that you are limiting your gains on whatever program you are attempting to use.


x2 .. dremen try to spend more time reading then posting bro, what T just posted is great advice. you should give a try.

[dremen]

x2 .. dremen try to spend more time reading then posting bro, what T just posted is great advice. you should give a try.

Look im not knocking anyone im just saying i prefer to switch things up in my routine quite often. Some people say prop should be done ED others EOD, some say tren is ok to run with deca while some say not to.

It's not like im running around the board telling people to use dirty needles or to drink protein shakes every hour of the day or to do a 1000 sets or anything like that so take it easy.

Some members say a 3 day per week routine is good for bulking while others say that routine would just make them fat so again i must say to each there own.

Lotta hate on this board:flowers

[OntariOMuscle101]

I know some guys who run 20 week 500mg Test cycles and run dbol for 1st 3weeks, middle 3 weeks and last 3 weeks @ 20-30mg/ED. So all throughout the cycle your gaining, presuming your bulking.

[Solo59]

Look im not knocking anyone im just saying i prefer to switch things up in my routine quite often. Some people say prop should be done ED others EOD, some say tren is ok to run with deca while some say not to.

It's not like im running around the board telling people to use dirty needles or to drink protein shakes every hour of the day or to do a 1000 sets or anything like that so take it easy.

Some members say a 3 day per week routine is good for bulking while others say that routine would just make them fat so again i must say to each there own.

Lotta hate on this board:flowers
You shouldn't drink protein shakes every hour??:eek:

Solo

[tiramisu]

No Dremen, you are telling people to change a workout routine, every 8 weeks when on average it takes a couple of weeks just to get your weights and volumes figured out and a good 6-8 weeks to even get into the swing of a good workout program.

What you are suggesting is just stupid. It's not a different strokes for different folks kind of issue. You are back on ignore so I won't see your stupid reply but quit telling people to do things that are just simply wrong.

[dremen]

You shouldn't drink protein shakes every hour??:eek:

Solo


No shit...lol;)

[declan]

hey guys i was on iron mag forum and apparently someone claims after week 8-10 gains "peeter out", but no one from this forum has ever said anything about that, is this true? why would people do 20 weekers if gains slow right down after 10 weeks, what are ur guys experiences, at what week do ur gains slow?

This is a bold claim, do they have a study to back it up? I believe there are certain compounds that you have to run longer than 12 weeks to actually fully benefit from it i.e. EQ.

BTW, just wait for the Vets and competitors to chime in, I would trust their words since they actually had success and experience on running long cycles.

[Rrrrolla]

So how much do you actually gain in a 12 week or even a 20 week cycle. 3 or 5 pounds of muscle is likely what you get. The rest is water or fat. That you stop pumping extra water into your muscles after a couple of months doesn't have a strong correlation to the muscle synthesis as far as I can tell.

In a year I may put on 10 or 12 pounds of real muscle at the same body fat if I'm lucky. This year I did. Next year maybe not.

I agree... Although I am lucky to get 5 pounds of muscle in a year, and my doses are relatively high. If someone gains 20 pounds on a cycle it's likely 18 pounds of water, unless its your first couple cycles maybe.

[revolution187]

cum on vets, get out of "the naughty place" and lets hear what u gotta say about this situation lol

[Solo59]

I may not "gain" after 10 weeks or so, but I am still hardening and leaning, with occasional increased vascularity.

Solo

[Ritch]

Your post really got me thinking whether long ester stroids are worth it. The gains you make past 10 weeks are minimal and you`re just making your recovery tougher. For that I say it`s not worth it. But with long esters you have no choice to do long cycles as they take a long time to start working. Unless you stay on for the feel good effect, I see little point.

[vakker]

I usually stangnate around 10 weeks.

[revolution187]

thanks for the help guys...why does everyone hate on dremen so much? just curious, but then why is it that people always tell you that u must do eq for a minimum of 14 weeks? and it takes long estered tests like 6 weeks to really kick in, so does this mean u are only getting 4 weeks of actual growth? so technically should i just stick to prop cause it kicks in in 2 weeks from now on so i have growth from week 2-10? just asking and wondering im not trying to step on toes here, also i was gonna start on test,eq and var for 15 weeks and i was gonna add var the last 7 weeks with the test and eq, should i start the cycle with anavar included and do it for the first 7 weeks? im confused now

[dremen]

thanks for the help guys...why does everyone hate on dremen so much? just curious, but then why is it that people always tell you that u must do eq for a minimum of 14 weeks? and it takes long estered tests like 6 weeks to really kick in, so does this mean u are only getting 4 weeks of actual growth? so technically should i just stick to prop cause it kicks in in 2 weeks from now on so i have growth from week 2-10? just asking and wondering im not trying to step on toes here, also i was gonna start on test,eq and var for 15 weeks and i was gonna add var the last 7 weeks with the test and eq, should i start the cycle with anavar included and do it for the first 7 weeks? im confused now

Prop starts working the first week bro. I can feel it after 48 hours and after 5-7 days it's working like a charm:)

Keep it simple bro, test/1-15, EQ/1-14, var 1-5 or 7 if you want. Lots of people say not to go over 4-5 weeks for orals, but an extra 2 weeks ain't gunna hurt you so give er shit if you want man.

IMHO i would'nt even bother with the EQ unless you already have it on hand. I would use a light dose of tren rather then EQ, but thats just me.

And if you decide to use test-e for this 15 week cycle that's perfectly fine. 500-650mg's a week of test and 300-400mg's a week of tren will be an awesome cycle bro and 5-7 weeks of anavar tossed in there as well and you're laughing.

Hope this helps brudda and feel free to ask more questions:D

[JonnyO]

cum on vets, get out of "the naughty place" and lets hear what u gotta say about this situation lol

Your going to get different answers from everyone, the best way is to find out for yourself instead of listening to people who reply without much experience.

[Ritch]

^^^ True enough, and I`ll admit I fall into the category you speak of...

[Big D]

Your going to get different answers from everyone, the best way is to find out for yourself instead of listening to people who reply without much experience.

thats true, everyone reacts different. i've done quite a few cycles and still learning shit about myself.

[revolution187]

**post like this are unwelcome on the site, even as a joke**
MP

[revolution187]

sorry mp, it was a corny joke, wont happen again

[Big D]

was it about me ?? :mad:

[revolution187]

yes big d i was talking smack about u and mp got annoyed i guess he is being protective of his "boy" LOL Just kidding

[j-dub]

some good posts in here.

jmo. gains never stop. motivation, persistence and tenacity applied to every workout and meal proves this.

do cycles become less effective over time? not really, we do. new users or recreational users of AS will get what old guys would call freakish results. veteran users get less noticeable results which is to be expected. the newness of the boost has been lost in the vets as the body adapts to the varying increases of supplemental exposure. this leads to different stacks being formulated to help support the varying subtleties in everyone's own system. i believe the future will show that longer cycles are more beneficial to improving health and maintaining an active lifestyle.
adding and cutting in most cases 25% of your body weight many times over the course of your life is not a good thing. but that is what wins trophies.
if you can train at the same intensity and motivation 6 months into a cycle as you did when you were still at week 4, gains will continue all else remaining equal.

look at this way. arnold did his medsd in moderate to high levels while he competed, he likely also dabbled with high levels for a few of his films T2 T3 notably. look at him now, he looks like hell and he ain't too old.
now take stallone, he's been using steady for over 30 years in mild doses, he is well into his 60's and still looks decent

i'm not endorsing either one of these buttnuggets, just using for examples.

[Ritch]

How do you know about Arnold`s and Stallone cycling?

[Danger]

I think generally that shorter cycles are better for short term gains which makes sense, at least to me.

I however think the cause of the problem has far less to do with the drugs that are used and FAR more to do with the mentailty of people useing a short term musle building strategy which will always be less effective in the long term.

[revolution187]

hey j-dub thats a new one lol "butnuggets" i cant wait to use it haha

[Vitamin S]

i believe they don't stop but may slow down

to counter act try

1. switch gear or esters
2. eat more clean food ie. protien healthy fats to add to caloric intake
3. change ur supplements maybe throw in different brands of supps
4. change workout routine/intensity throw in some power movements
5. patience

[sinbad]

I've done both short and long cycles. I'll tell you from first hand experience that gains do not stop after week 10. If you're talking about weight, then yes, it's about the time you'll stop the huge spurt in weight but you'll be getting gains at week 20 also, they are just different.
Those who have done long cycles know what I'm talking about.