1st cycle... just wanna see what you think...

[Marc]

Hi im new to this site and was recommended here by a friend of mine.

I am 21, been training seriously for 3 years now and have done my research into gear. I am planning to run 500mg of Test Cyp for 12 weeks while at the same time running Clen for 8 weeks (2 weeks on 2 weeks off) starting in Week 5 of my cycle. Nolva for PCT (40/40/20/20)

this is what my cycle is going to consist of:

Week 1-4
500mg Test Cyp.
per week

Week 5-6
500mg Test Cyp per week
day 1&2= Clen @ 60mcg
day 3&4= Clen @ 80mcg
day 5&6= Clen @ 100mcg
day 7&8= Clen @ 120mcg
9&10= Clen @ 100mcg
11&12= Clen @ 80mcg
13&14= Clen @ 60mcg

Week 7
500mg Test Cyp.
day 1-7
Benadryl @ 50mg (or 100mg? ive heard differing opinions for the purpose of effectiveness)

Week 8
500mg Test Cyp.
Clen off
Benadryl off

Week 9&10
500mg Test Cyp per week
day 1&2= Clen @ 60mcg
day 3&4= Clen @ 80mcg
day 5&6= Clen @ 100mcg
day 7&8= Clen @ 120mcg
9&10= Clen @ 100mcg
11&12= Clen @ 80mcg
13&14= Clen @ 60mcg

Week 11
375mg Test Cyp.
(1st injection @ 250mg and 2nd injection of the week @ 125mg)
day 1-7
Benadryl @ 50mg (or 100mg? ive heard differing opinions for the purpose of effectiveness)

Week 12
250mg Test Cyp
Clen off
Benadryl off

Week 13-16
PCT
Nolva @ 40/40/20/20

That is the general idea that I have for my cycle. I have also seen that 10mg/week of Nolva while on my cycle will help with gyno and tenderness.. is this something good to do? My diet is clean and I think that this cycle will do me wonders for a first try. Im looking to gain some size and mainly cut.. I wanna see abs for the first time in my life! Any thoughts and comments will be much appreciated.
Cheers
Thanks

[dremen]

Hi im new to this site and was recommended here by a friend of mine.

I am 21, been training seriously for 3 years now and have done my research into gear. I am planning to run 500mg of Test Cyp for 12 weeks while at the same time running Clen for 8 weeks (2 weeks on 2 weeks off) starting in Week 5 of my cycle. Nolva for PCT (40/40/20/20)

this is what my cycle is going to consist of:

Week 1-4
500mg Test Cyp.
per week

Week 5-6
500mg Test Cyp per week
day 1&2= Clen @ 60mcg
day 3&4= Clen @ 80mcg
day 5&6= Clen @ 100mcg
day 7&8= Clen @ 120mcg
9&10= Clen @ 100mcg
11&12= Clen @ 80mcg
13&14= Clen @ 60mcg

Week 7
500mg Test Cyp.
day 1-7
Benadryl @ 50mg (or 100mg? ive heard differing opinions for the purpose of effectiveness)

Week 8
500mg Test Cyp.
Clen off
Benadryl off

Week 9&10
500mg Test Cyp per week
day 1&2= Clen @ 60mcg
day 3&4= Clen @ 80mcg
day 5&6= Clen @ 100mcg
day 7&8= Clen @ 120mcg
9&10= Clen @ 100mcg
11&12= Clen @ 80mcg
13&14= Clen @ 60mcg

Week 11
375mg Test Cyp.
(1st injection @ 250mg and 2nd injection of the week @ 125mg)
day 1-7
Benadryl @ 50mg (or 100mg? ive heard differing opinions for the purpose of effectiveness)

Week 12
250mg Test Cyp
Clen off
Benadryl off

Week 13-16
PCT
Nolva @ 40/40/20/20

That is the general idea that I have for my cycle. I have also seen that 10mg/week of Nolva while on my cycle will help with gyno and tenderness.. is this something good to do? My diet is clean and I think that this cycle will do me wonders for a first try. Im looking to gain some size and mainly cut.. I wanna see abs for the first time in my life! Any thoughts and comments will be much appreciated.
Cheers
Thanks


Bro no need for clen for a first timer IMHO and no need to run nolva during cycle unless you feel/see signs of gyno. Cough syrup bro....lol, cmon man no need for that either...lol

Keep it simple man 500mg/ew 1-12 followed by nolva @40mg/ed 14-17 then 20mg/ed 17-18.

[inxs]

What's with the cough syrup bro !

[rickyboy36]

What cough syrup are you guys reffering to?There isnt any(unless he edited it..??)..benadryl has Ketotifen(or its generic version) and is used for the purpose up upregulating the beta receptors from using clen.

But why clen in the first place???Are you dieting?If not,do not use it.You need a surplus of calories to grow.

Please show us your diet.

[gregdoucette]

What week u going to do nolva starting at 40 and are u gonna do 40 a day or 40 a week. looks like u mentioned 10 a week while on.

[Delt King]

No need to run nolva while on cycle unless you start feeling a problem coming on.
Clen shouldn't be ramped up but not down on 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Many here will run it straight through upping 20 every week.
Benadryl (Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride) i'd run every night 50mg before bed.
I'm also assuming that this is a cut otherwise you're wasting your time with clen.

[Marc]

Yeah thanks guys... this cycle is mainly for cutting... but I do wanna keep and gain some size from the test. The benadryl, like Rickyboy said, is for upregulating the beta receptors from being on clen. My diet is gonna be high protein low carbs so as to avoid unnecessary or unwanted excess weight gain.

@Delt King: "Clen shouldn't be ramped up but not down on 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Many here will run it straight through upping 20 every week." Can you explain this a little more to me? Im a bit confused at what you mean by this.. but I want some more insight because this seems interesting.

@GregDoucette:
I am going to start the Nolva @ 40mgs/day on the Monday of week 13 and on the monday of week 15 I will come down to 20mgs/day for another 2 weeks. I am getting my FINAL test cyp shot either on the thursday or friday of week 12, so I figured id start the PCT on the monday because thats when my next shot would have been anyways.. is this good? or should I start the PCT on the same day as my last injection?

I appreciate all the help guys.. Im glad I came to this site because you guys know your stuff.

[Delt King]

Day 1 and 2 20
Day 3 and 4 40
Day 5 and 6 60
Day 7 and 8 80
Day 9 and 10 100
Day 11 to 14 120
then off for two weeks

[Marc]

oh okay... perfect.. so then Im guessing I can start a little higher and depending whether or not I can handle it i can ramp up to 140? Like start of day 1&2 with 40mcg and end on day 11-14 with 140mcg? Cause I have done alot of reading and the dosage of clen is about what you can handle... but I probably will stick with what you have posted here... thanks for the help Delt King

[Marc]

Starting April 1st... will update with photos and info after im done the cycle.. thanks again for everyone's opinion...

[rickyboy36]

Starting April 1st... will update with photos and info after im done the cycle.. thanks again for everyone's opinion...

goodluck man..and keep us posted on the cough syrop :P..loll

[Praetorian]

Hi im new to this site and was recommended here by a friend of mine.

I am 21, been training seriously for 3 years now and have done my research into gear. I am planning to run 500mg of Test Cyp for 12 weeks while at the same time running Clen for 8 weeks (2 weeks on 2 weeks off) starting in Week 5 of my cycle. Nolva for PCT (40/40/20/20)

this is what my cycle is going to consist of:

Week 1-4
500mg Test Cyp.
per week

Week 5-6
500mg Test Cyp per week
day 1&2= Clen @ 60mcg
day 3&4= Clen @ 80mcg
day 5&6= Clen @ 100mcg
day 7&8= Clen @ 120mcg
9&10= Clen @ 100mcg
11&12= Clen @ 80mcg
13&14= Clen @ 60mcg

Week 7
500mg Test Cyp.
day 1-7
Benadryl @ 50mg (or 100mg? ive heard differing opinions for the purpose of effectiveness)

Week 8
500mg Test Cyp.
Clen off
Benadryl off

Week 9&10
500mg Test Cyp per week
day 1&2= Clen @ 60mcg
day 3&4= Clen @ 80mcg
day 5&6= Clen @ 100mcg
day 7&8= Clen @ 120mcg
9&10= Clen @ 100mcg
11&12= Clen @ 80mcg
13&14= Clen @ 60mcg

Week 11
375mg Test Cyp.
(1st injection @ 250mg and 2nd injection of the week @ 125mg)
day 1-7
Benadryl @ 50mg (or 100mg? ive heard differing opinions for the purpose of effectiveness)

Week 12
250mg Test Cyp
Clen off
Benadryl off

Week 13-16
PCT
Nolva @ 40/40/20/20

That is the general idea that I have for my cycle. I have also seen that 10mg/week of Nolva while on my cycle will help with gyno and tenderness.. is this something good to do? My diet is clean and I think that this cycle will do me wonders for a first try. Im looking to gain some size and mainly cut.. I wanna see abs for the first time in my life! Any thoughts and comments will be much appreciated.
Cheers
Thanks


500mg test should be run straight through...no need to ramp down the last few weeks....PCT can be started 1 week after your last test shot of 500 mg.
If you say this is a cutting cycle your diet and cardio will be far more important then the drugs you use. You need to be in a calorie deficit which means you will be working at maintaining muscle and losing fat...not building.
For the optimal fat loss effects the clen should be run through the 16 weeks....ramping up much more slowly. Benadryl or any type of ketotifen product is not necessary when doing this as your beta 2 receptors do not down regulate that fast especially with a slow ramp up. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is slowing fat loss dramatically. I would also suggest a small amount of HCG prior to the nolvadex for quicker recovery...1000iu EOD for a total of 5 shots...then start the nolva.
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[anabolicboobies]

cutting on your first cycle...... life must sucks for some guys

[MMASTAR]

if you cant see any abs then you should cycle...but on a bike, not with drugs.

[fathead]

if you cant see any abs then you should cycle...but on a bike, not with drugs.

bwahahhahahahahahaahahhaaaaahhaah goody

[japh]

Just my 2 cents. If I could do it all over again knowing what I know now, I'd do this.

Figure out first how to diet down and see abs ablolutely drug free, not even any otc fat burners. From there I'd start my bulk. 500mgs a week for a MINIMUM of 12 weeks.

I personally would have done a 20 week cylce knowing what I know now and let my body and mind settle in to what it is I was doing. You'll just be getting into it otherwise when it'll be time to stop.

A lot of people say the first cycle is the best. For me it was, take advantage of that. I responded to my first cycle like no other since but it was only 5 weeks. lol

My bench went up 50lbs My squat and deadlift went up approximately 100. I gained 15lbs on the scale while looking VISIBLY leaner. The strangest thing about it was I had no muscle soreness the whole time after marathon workouts. Thats NEVER happened since. This was all on less than 500mgs a week average of karachi sustanon. Back then it was suggested to pyramid dosages. lol