Time for another cycle - its been a while :)

[BigDane]

So its probably been about 7 years now since i've done any sort of AAS and I'm starting to get the urge again.

Probably because I'm 33 and I'm feeling OLD lol. Well, not really old but you know the feeling.....less energy, tougher to make gains, tougher to lean out, sore for days after workouts, aches and pains, strength down. All part of hitting the 30's I guess.

I was thinking about doing something along the lines of 500mg Test per week for 12 weeks. That would be the base. Then I wanted to add either some anavar, tbol, EQ along with possibly some HCG or proviron with nolva and aromasin on hand but I'm not too sure exactly how to incorporate it.

I'm 6'2, 230lbs, prob around 15% right now. I'm not looking to get massive, just to improve my strength which should result in a bit of size and drop some fat.

Obviously diet and cardio will be a big part of the equation too and the plan is to eat clean and keep up with my regular 5x week cardio.

Am I thinking along the right lines with a cycle like this? Thanks in advance for any input.

[bluesteal]

were you planning on taking the anavar to kick start and then the tbol at the end of your cycle. or were you just going to pick one or the other?

[BigDane]

The plan was just one or the other but what ever works best for what I am trying to attain. Just looking for some input.

[dremen]

So its probably been about 7 years now since i've done any sort of AAS and I'm starting to get the urge again.

Probably because I'm 33 and I'm feeling OLD lol. Well, not really old but you know the feeling.....less energy, tougher to make gains, tougher to lean out, sore for days after workouts, aches and pains, strength down. All part of hitting the 30's I guess.

I was thinking about doing something along the lines of 500mg Test per week for 12 weeks. That would be the base. Then I wanted to add either some anavar, tbol, EQ along with possibly some HCG or proviron with nolva and aromasin on hand but I'm not too sure exactly how to incorporate it.

I'm 6'2, 230lbs, prob around 15% right now. I'm not looking to get massive, just to improve my strength which should result in a bit of size and drop some fat.

Obviously diet and cardio will be a big part of the equation too and the plan is to eat clean and keep up with my regular 5x week cardio.

Am I thinking along the right lines with a cycle like this? Thanks in advance for any input.

Test-e/600-750mg/EW 1-16
EQ/500-600mg/EW 1-15
Var or Tbol/50mgED/1-4
Aromasin/12.5mg/EOD 18-22
Nolva/30-50mg/EOD 18-22

[bluesteal]

i would say go with the Var and from what ive been told/seen tbol works better near the end of your cycle, and if you wanna drop a bt of fat var is good for cutting up. but the cycle above looks good

[L3]

^^^ what point is the ignore function if you guys keep quoting that retard!

[bluesteal]

Nolva every other day? wtf

and I'm guessing those last 2 lines are PCT, so the 16th week is still on, which means weeks 17 and 18 should be off, PCT should start week 19. and i'd suggest running both compounds everyday...

nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks)
aro 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5 (5 weeks)

3 weeks seems a bit long before starting a pct.. the halflife of test e is 14days so why would you wait an extra week before starting a pct it should be 2 weeks.. unless im missing something here lol?

[bluesteal]

lol wow im amazing at math..

[Memo]

actually nolva has a long half-life a EOD dosage could work, but aromasin has a 27h half life you MUST dose ED

[dremen]

actually nolva has a long half-life a EOD dosage could work, but aromasin has a 27h half life you MUST dose ED

Aromasin EOD is just fine. Im not knocking you bro, but maybe you need to read up on it a bit more. EOD dosing works and helps the wallet as well.

[revolution187]

quit hating on dremen people he seems to know what he is doing

[L3]

quit hating on dremen people he seems to know what he is doing

someone who claims to run 150MG liquid var a day and "LOVES HIS ROIDS" and looks like this:



should NOT be giving drug advice, let alone ANY advice in general



btw dremen, nice gyno you got going there. i see your nolva EOD protocol worked rly well for you :tu

[kloan]

I feel the love.

[kloan]

Aromasin EOD is just fine. Im not knocking you bro, but maybe you need to read up on it a bit more. EOD dosing works and helps the wallet as well.

I'm not so sure about that. During a cycle it's fine to dose EOD, but not during PCT. I think it's important, especially with it's half life, to keep things consistent during that time.

As well, 12.5mg is not enough. It's recommended to run 25mg ED during PCT. At least for the first 2-3 weeks. Compared to other AIs, Aromasin doesn't seem to be as harsh with side effects so why mess around with not using enough?

Oh, and about saving money.... don't do AAS if you can't afford to have everything you need, with extra to spare. A lesson I've had to learn the hard way a couple times now. Always stock more than you need.. just in case.

[MMASTAR]

you would get more out of the var if you ran it week 4-8 once the test is fully kicked in.

[dremen]

someone who claims to run 150MG liquid var a day and "LOVES HIS ROIDS" and looks like this:



should NOT be giving drug advice, let alone ANY advice in general



btw dremen, nice gyno you got going there. i see your nolva EOD protocol worked rly well for you :tu


Wow L3 you really are the lowest of the low. How I look has nothing to know with what I know. How many trainers are out there that know there shit, but don't look at that great, answer lots.

The fact you relate how one looks to what one knows just shows how full of yourself you are and how deep your in insecurities really go.

Im not here to start shit or bash other members, but you sure as shit seem to be.

Sad sad lil man.

[natenator]

Wow L3 you really are the lowest of the low. How I look has nothing to know with what I know. How many trainers are out there that know there shit, but don't look at that great, answer lots.

The fact you relate how one looks to what one knows just shows how full of yourself you are and how deep your in insecurities really go.

Im not here to start shit or bash other members, but you sure as shit seem to be.

Sad sad lil man.
speaking of little... how are those 16" arms of yours?

[dremen]

speaking of little... how are those 16" arms of yours?

Sure that all you want to bug me about nate? Cmon man im SURE you would love to point out everything else that's "wrong" with me cause it seems you get off on talking me down.

I guess this is how CBB operates huh?:confused:

[waderow]

speaking of little... how are those 16" arms of yours?

I am thinking 15"

[waderow]

Sure that all you want to bug me about nate? Cmon man im SURE you would love to point out everything else that's "wrong" with me cause it seems you get off on talking me down.

I guess this is how CBB operates huh?:confused:

that shot sucked too Dremen

[L3]

How many trainers are out there that know there shit, but don't look at that great, answer lots.
list some names, and their client base... im interested to see :)

also lets see someone who you've trained, and their results?



Im not here to start shit or bash other members, but you sure as shit seem to be.
im just concerned about the health and safety of the newer members here, taking advice from someone who advocates taking Dianabol for a year straightb because in his opinon its safe



Sad sad lil man.

:laugh

[BigDane]

Thanks for all the input thus far. Few more ???'s......

If I were to run a 15 weeker 600mg Test/600mg Eq would it be OK to run var for the first 5 weeks and the last 5 weeks, taking 5 weeks off in the middle to give the liver a break? Is this break long enough? I'm hoping i'll get a bit more of a jump start to the cycle using var at the beginning and then using it at the end to help harden up.

Also, I'm concerned about the Eq messing with my sex drive. I've read a few posts where taking it in conjunction with test can sometimes reduce the testosterone's positive effect on libido. If this is the case, I may just drop the Eq as its been quite some time since I've done any AAS and I'm really looking forward to the libido boost and sense of "well being" you experience with test. Is this something to worry about? Would using HCG or Proviron help at all with this?

[waderow]

EQ will give you its own well being feeling. Full, and large. Keep your test dose up and you wont have labido issues.

var is good 5 on 5 off or 15 on IMO if using liv 52 and milkthistle

hcg for pct

[BigDane]

To avoid the libido issue the test should be higher than the EQ. Also you'll want to run test 1 week longer than EQ because of EQ's longer ester (so PCT will start 2 weeks after last test shot, and 3 weeks after last EQ shot)

i'm not really sure about the var question, alot of it would depend on what dose you plan on running for those 5 week periods


I was thinking 60mg var a day for five weeks at the beginning and five weeks at the end of the cycle

[bluesteal]

50mg ED would suffice, due to the test/EQ combo

[BigDane]

I was thinking 60mg var a day for five weeks at the beginning and five weeks at the end of the cycle

50mg what?

Proviron?

Sorry, talking about quite a few different things here :)

[bluesteal]

50mg var first week 1-5 then week 10-15

[BigDane]

50mg var first week 1-5 then week 10-15

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

[waderow]

var is weak. you could go up to 100

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Not cool ganging up on a member. If you disagree or see something wrong with his post, it would be useful to the rest of the readers if you would correct it or state your opinion why you think it is wrong. The original poster isn't the only one learning in these threads.

The bottom line is if you keep attacking someone's posts without backing it up with a correction or some solid facts to the topic on hand, the post is useless. Remember, you are not the only ones reading here. Once you were learning too. So for those that are just learning, it would be wise to post up in a mature fashion instead of calling someone a retard and posting up nothing else useful.

I cleaned up some of this thread.

[BigDane]

Thanks again for all the advice in this thread.

I've been doing a bit more reading and I'm starting to contemplate using prop instead of enanthate. Dryer gains and more of a kick from the get go.

I've never really done a cycle where i've had to pin eod though. Plan would be to cut the prop with the eq to help with the pain.

Thoughts on this?

[dremen]

Thanks again for all the advice in this thread.

I've been doing a bit more reading and I'm starting to contemplate using prop instead of enanthate. Dryer gains and more of a kick from the get go.

I've never really done a cycle where i've had to pin eod though. Plan would be to cut the prop with the eq to help with the pain.

Thoughts on this?


I would stick with enen bro unless you are willing to put up with the EOD injections. EOD injects can be a BITCH if you're not use to it. Test is test bro so prop won't do anything different for you then enen aside from kicking in faster.

Besides if you're gunna run EQ test-enen would be a better option over the prop IMHO.

[natenator]

Not cool ganging up on a member. If you disagree or see something wrong with his post, it would be useful to the rest of the readers if you would correct it or state your opinion why you think it is wrong. The original poster isn't the only one learning in these threads.

The bottom line is if you keep attacking someone's posts without backing it up with a correction or some solid facts to the topic on hand, the post is useless. Remember, you are not the only ones reading here. Once you were learning too. So for those that are just learning, it would be wise to post up in a mature fashion instead of calling someone a retard and posting up nothing else useful.

I cleaned up some of this thread.
How about if your make a statement it should be backed up with solid reasoning and facts?

Some people just shouldn't be handing out advice on subjects which DO have an impact on someone's health.

[natenator]

I would stick with enen bro unless you are willing to put up with the EOD injections. EOD injects can be a BITCH if you're not use to it. Test is test bro so prop won't do anything different for you then enen aside from kicking in faster.

Besides if you're gunna run EQ test-enen would be a better option over the prop IMHO.
Just because enan and cyp are long ester doesnt mean they should not be shot EOD. Stable blood levels are important and you have more stable blood levels with EOD shots than with twice weekly.

I stay stick with EOD for anything unless a suspension. EOD is not that big of an issue. ED, however, is.

[dremen]

Just because enan and cyp are long ester doesnt mean they should not be shot EOD. Stable blood levels are important and you have more stable blood levels with EOD shots than with twice weekly.

I stay stick with EOD for anything unless a suspension. EOD is not that big of an issue. ED, however, is.

There is nothing wrong with 2x week shots with long esters nate.

[natenator]

There is nothing wrong with 2x week shots with long esters nate.
And I say optimal protocol is EOD administration.

[kloan]

Just because enan and cyp are long ester doesnt mean they should not be shot EOD. Stable blood levels are important and you have more stable blood levels with EOD shots than with twice weekly.

I stay stick with EOD for anything unless a suspension. EOD is not that big of an issue. ED, however, is.

If I didn't hate injections so much, I'd be doing EOD injections with my Test Cyp and Deca. I can feel the changes in levels by the time it's ready for my next injection. Half-lifes be damned, I definitely notice it.

[Big D]

nate has a good point, everything should be shot atleast EOD

you get alot less side effects with EOD shots when using enan.

gyno flairs up for me when I do 2x week shots, but EOD I never have a problem.

[dremen]

Well i guess im giving out shit advice when i recomend enen and cyp 2x a week then(every 3.5 days)....lol

To each there own man.

[natenator]

Well i guess im giving out shit advice when i recomend enen and cyp 2x a week then(every 3.5 days)....lol

To each there own man.
No one is saying the advice you gave on twice/weekly administration is shit. It's just not optimal.

Just as eating cold cuts the odd time when dieting isn't shit advice but it is most definitely not optimal.

Stop being so sensitive.

[dremen]

No one is saying the advice you gave on twice/weekly administration is shit. It's just not optimal.

Just as eating cold cuts the odd time when dieting isn't shit advice but it is most definitely not optimal.

Stop being so sensitive.

:lick

[Solo59]

To avoid the libido issue the test should be higher than the EQ.
I think this is bromythology that grew out of the fact that EQ efficiently blocks the production of endogenous testosterone. However, EQ is not a "testosterone blocker" in that it will not block the effects of self-induced exogenous testosterone. Try running 600 mg EW of EQ with 400 mg of Test e EW and put yourself in situations where your libido can be tempted. My friend, it will jump to attention at all the temptations.;)

Solo

[Solo59]

Just because enan and cyp are long ester doesnt mean they should not be shot EOD. Stable blood levels are important and you have more stable blood levels with EOD shots than with twice weekly.

I stay stick with EOD for anything unless a suspension. EOD is not that big of an issue. ED, however, is.

Totally unnecessary, until you are a professional BB & a perfectionist who attempts to get as much effect out of every little detail. Long esters work over a longer time, and that's just a fact. Some say injecting twice a week for things like EQ & Test e is unnecessary, but my experience has shown me that twice a week for each avoids any sense of hormone fluctuation and — you know what else? — it works like damn!:cool:

Solo

[dremen]

Totally unnecessary, until you are a professional BB & a perfectionist who attempts to get as much effect out of every little detail. Long esters work over a longer time, and that's just a fact. Some say injecting twice a week for things like EQ & Test e is unnecessary, but my experience has shown me that twice a week for each avoids any sense of hormone fluctuation and — you know what else? — it works like damn!:cool:

Solo

Dude I could'nt have said it any better myself:D

Green.