My first cycle

[Saint]

hello everyone, a lil bout me, i've been training naturally for about 5.5 years, and i've tried many different methods of training, different methods of dieting, and rested alot to make my body grow to its fullest. I've gotten to the point where my body doesnt change no more (i know every one says this to use as an excuse) and so i decided to start my first and last short cycle. So i was wondering if anyone can give me a lil feedback on what they think. I will be doing Eq and Test.

I chose test enanthate at 500 mgs a week, and i chose Eq at 400 mgs a wk. and the cycle will only be about 6-7 wks. long, followed by some nolvadex.

My first week i will run test at 300 mgs, and eq also at 300 mgs. ( was told to ease into it)

Weeks 2-6 i will bump the compounds up to test enan. 500, and Eq to 400

On my final week, i will drop the amounts to look like my first week, so, test enan at 300, and eq at 300, about 1.5-2 weeks i will start my PCT of nolvadex.

Nolvadex will look as follow ( please help adjust if needed);
week 1 - 40mgs
week 2 - 30mgs
week 3 - 20mgs
week 4 - 10mgs

So after all that being said, i was just wondering how much weight does everyone think i will gain from this cycle, and how much of it i will keep, assuming that my diet and training is near perfect.

thanx everyone

[Houstonbc]

hey dude i think you should make your cycle a few weeks longer as you will most likely be just starting to see some gains around week 4 if i was you i would extend it to 10-12 wks other than that looks good

[Saint]

hey dude i think you should make your cycle a few weeks longer as you will most likely be just starting to see some gains around week 4 if i was you i would extend it to 10-12 wks other than that looks good

thnx for the feedback, but here's my problem, for that cycle ^^^ ( 6 wks. it will cost me $260), so times that by two to get 12 weeks, and i dont wanna spend that much money on steroids. the guuy only sells 6 weeks at a time, and money is an issue and thats all i can afford now, plus i'm worried that the longer the cycle, the unhealthier, no?

[Houstonbc]

well i just think it would be a bit of a waste sure youll probably gain a few lbs in that time but i know for me it took about 5 weeks on test e to notice any gains at all. I would hold off til you have enough dough and hit it hard man. At those doses you shouldnt have anything to worry about health wise man. you will get what you pay for i highly advise you to pony up and do it right if youre gonna do it

[IronRobi]

well i just think it would be a bit of a waste sure youll probably gain a few lbs in that time but i know for me it took about 5 weeks on test e to notice any gains at all. I would hold off til you have enough dough and hit it hard man. At those doses you shouldnt have anything to worry about health wise man. you will get what you pay for i highly advise you to pony up and do it right if youre gonna do it

I wouldn't advise talking exact prices on a public forum, but I do agree with the advise given by Houstonbc. Save up and hold off until you have enough to do 10-12 weeks. At the 6 week mark, you will just start seeing the effects of the test, and at that point you'll wish you had more.

IF you really don't want to extend it out, you do have a pretty good looking cycle there. Nice and basic as all first cycles should be. You should see some results.

[Kiem]

Hold off until you can get enough for a 10-12 week cycle especially with EQ. EQ takes a long time to kick in and you most likely won't see full benefits until 12 weeks or more. The 400mg dose for EQ is pretty mild so you can run it longer without much concern.

[Saint]

thanx everyone, now you guys really got me thinking of doing 10-12 wks. couple questions. Why not talk about prices on here?, is it raelly bad?

How does my pct look? good? and if decide to bump up the cycle to 10-12 wks. should i follow the exact pct that i have posted, or bump it up a lil more>??

Just to let everyone know, as i posted earlier, this is my FIRST and LAST cycle i'm EVER gonna do. I only need to do this to give me a lil boost and that lil bit of size that i was working so hard to achieve but couldnt get nothing from naturally. Thanks everyone, fill me in as much as you guys can, cause once i start the cycle, i'm sure i'll have plenty of questions. bye :hu

[MizzFitt]

I agree! Make your first one a good one! Your first cycle is always the best and you will never get that back.

[bigdaddydrew123]

your first time test alone would be a good cycle . save money from eq buy more test do 10 to 12 weeks of test.this way you know how your body responds to test,next time add something with it.this way if you get any sides you know exactly what it is .

[SiLvErBaK]

I agree! Make your first one a good one! Your first cycle is always the best and you will never get that back.

that's not true.

however, do stay on 8-12 weeks, the test will take 2-4 weeks to start noticing strength and size gains. th eq takes a while longer to kick in. I used250mg/week of karachi sustanon my first cycle, at age 22, 6'-0", 200lbs and put on 20 lbs. it changed my phsyique, trainning everything. to have used 500/week i wouldn't have put on 40 pounds - - - more is not always better. that's alomst 1 gram of drugs/week for your first cycle. you won't need all that. i'd keep the enanthate at 300/week, use deca instead of eq at 200-300/per week, and do it for 8-10 weeks. do some research on pct. eat lots.

[AlbertaBeef]

Go back to Mr 6-week-cycle sales man and trade your EQ for test. Then give him a poke in the snoot for us all for selling stupid cycles and not acting a little more responsible for what he's peddling.

[fathead]

first of all, I would definitely do more research before you start your first cycle as you dont seem to know what you are doing.... that is why we're here so youve come to the right place... just a little late.

if money is an issue, dont do a cycle. save some money and do it right!

as said, test alone will be your best bet for a first cycle and it will be the most cost effective as well.

500mg test enanth or cyp/wk for 10 weeks minimum, 12 weeks ideal.

pct to follow.

[shithead]

Personally I would take a mild anabolic in my first cycle.
I have always found that the more juice you do the more you have to take to have an effect.

Saying that, in my first I took steris test prop 100mg/ml and it worked great! Hurt like a bitch too!

[gustavo77]

If you are worried about cost just run a test cycle with mabe an oral kick start for a few weeks...no need for two injectables on the first run...if your diet is good, you will grow like crazy off a first cycle of test.

[Saint]

that's not true.

however, do stay on 8-12 weeks, the test will take 2-4 weeks to start noticing strength and size gains. th eq takes a while longer to kick in. I used250mg/week of karachi sustanon my first cycle, at age 22, 6'-0", 200lbs and put on 20 lbs. it changed my phsyique, trainning everything. to have used 500/week i wouldn't have put on 40 pounds - - - more is not always better. that's alomst 1 gram of drugs/week for your first cycle. you won't need all that. i'd keep the enanthate at 300/week, use deca instead of eq at 200-300/per week, and do it for 8-10 weeks. do some research on pct. eat lots.

so you don't agree with my pct outlook??... i've been researching and asking others on they're opinions, and they told me wut i have posted, wut kind of idea do you have in mind??... also, on a website that i was researching, it said that test should be at minimal of 500 a week, which is why i decided to go with that, and why switch Eq for decca, if Eq is a lil bit safer, btw thanx to everyone for they're responses, but it seems like i'm getting mixed responses and kinda getting confused, i mean i had it all planned out on how much to take and how to run it, etc.... but it seems everyone has they're own ideas, how am i ever gonna decide. and please please please remember that this is the ONLY time i'm touching AAS, i dont plan on going back to them once i'm done this cycle.

[SiLvErBaK]

so you don't agree with my pct outlook??... i've been researching and asking others on they're opinions, and they told me wut i have posted, wut kind of idea do you have in mind??... also, on a website that i was researching, it said that test should be at minimal of 500 a week, which is why i decided to go with that, and why switch Eq for decca, if Eq is a lil bit safer, btw thanx to everyone for they're responses, but it seems like i'm getting mixed responses and kinda getting confused, i mean i had it all planned out on how much to take and how to run it, etc.... but it seems everyone has they're own ideas, how am i ever gonna decide. and please please please remember that this is the ONLY time i'm touching AAS, i dont plan on going back to them once i'm done this cycle.


I'm the type of guy that is always promoting "health awarness" with these drugs, low doses of gear, hard training, discipline. do what u want but...U DO NOT NEED THAT MUCH CRANK TO ACHEIVE YOUR GOALS!!! it's your first cycle bro, u would realize your goals with 250mg/week of test for 8-10 weeks. I like gustavo's reply of just sticking with test, that is good advice. drop the eq and just use test. 500mg/week of enanthate will show you a whole other world. I'm 29 now, i'm 6'-0" 260lbs. 12-15% bf. i'm currently taking enanthate at 100mg eod,(and 50mg prop eod) this is prob my 15-20 cycle, i still grow very well, strength increases dramatically, and i still feel great. i'm not sold on the efficiency of nolvadex post cycle. hcg would be great, but u probly won't need it. I use supps with tribulus, avena sativa, rhodiola rosea in them, which seem to work well for my needs, but i also don't do half the amount of drugs most of the guys here suggest.
Belive me, once you've finished you're cycle, assuming it did the trick, u will want to again.

[Saint]

I'm the type of guy that is always promoting "health awarness" with these drugs, low doses of gear, hard training, discipline. do what u want but...U DO NOT NEED THAT MUCH CRANK TO ACHEIVE YOUR GOALS!!! it's your first cycle bro, u would realize your goals with 250mg/week of test for 8-10 weeks. I like gustavo's reply of just sticking with test, that is good advice. drop the eq and just use test. 500mg/week of enanthate will show you a whole other world. I'm 29 now, i'm 6'-0" 260lbs. 12-15% bf. i'm currently taking enanthate at 100mg eod,(and 50mg prop eod) this is prob my 15-20 cycle, i still grow very well, strength increases dramatically, and i still feel great. i'm not sold on the efficiency of nolvadex post cycle. hcg would be great, but u probly won't need it. I use supps with tribulus, avena sativa, rhodiola rosea in them, which seem to work well for my needs, but i also don't do half the amount of drugs most of the guys here suggest.
Belive me, once you've finished you're cycle, assuming it did the trick, u will want to again.


thanx, but at the beginning of the post, u said to take 250 mg, then near the middle u told me to follow gustavo's advice at 500, so which one, 250 i would assume. And you are positive that 250 will do me wonders, assuming my diet and training is near perfect?? I plan on adding about 20 lbs from this btw. .. and if 250 is all i need to get to that, then that's all i need i guess

[IronRobi]

thanx, but at the beginning of the post, u said to take 250 mg, then near the middle u told me to follow gustavo's advice at 500, so which one, 250 i would assume. And you are positive that 250 will do me wonders, assuming my diet and training is near perfect?? I plan on adding about 20 lbs from this btw. .. and if 250 is all i need to get to that, then that's all i need i guess

For a first cycle you should still grow really good at 250. The lower the dosage, the less chances there are for sides as well normally.

[SiLvErBaK]

thanx, but at the beginning of the post, u said to take 250 mg, then near the middle u told me to follow gustavo's advice at 500, so which one, 250 i would assume. And you are positive that 250 will do me wonders, assuming my diet and training is near perfect?? I plan on adding about 20 lbs from this btw. .. and if 250 is all i need to get to that, then that's all i need i guess


o.k. bro, i meant follow gustavo's advice on using test only. Here's what u do...ditch the eq altogether it's a waste of time and money (this time), and stick with your enanthate. It will take 2-4 weeks before you start noticing size or strength, so eat well, train hard, and be patient. inject 100mg every monday, thursday, and saturday. this will be 300mg/week, this is considered a very safe dose, so i wouldn't worry about sides at all. If you are very suseptible to acne right now, expect some when you use the test, even a small hormonal change will have this effect. other than that, if your hair is fine now, and you don't grow tits normally then you'll be more than fine with this dose. if u get sick of the injects 3 times/ week then go 300mg every monday. The thing with enanthate is it remains active in your system up to 2 weeks after the last injection but, many will tell u, myself included, enanthate works better being injected every 3-4 days- -at least, it helps keep blood levels more stable, allowing for better results. So if you can inject every mon.thurs.sat and keep it that way throughout that would be optimal. start your pct 2 weeks after last inject. don't listen or be pushed around by some of these lockeroom meatheads wanting to make some quick money either. Do this routine, it is very easy to follow, and i think(assuming your juice isn't garbage) you'll be quite pleased. let us know how it goes

[Big D]

you should really look into finding a diffrent source, selling you gear for 6 weeks at a time dosent make sence.

[Saint]

o.k. bro, i meant follow gustavo's advice on using test only. Here's what u do...ditch the eq altogether it's a waste of time and money (this time), and stick with your enanthate. It will take 2-4 weeks before you start noticing size or strength, so eat well, train hard, and be patient. inject 100mg every monday, thursday, and saturday. this will be 300mg/week, this is considered a very safe dose, so i wouldn't worry about sides at all. If you are very suseptible to acne right now, expect some when you use the test, even a small hormonal change will have this effect. other than that, if your hair is fine now, and you don't grow tits normally then you'll be more than fine with this dose. if u get sick of the injects 3 times/ week then go 300mg every monday. The thing with enanthate is it remains active in your system up to 2 weeks after the last injection but, many will tell u, myself included, enanthate works better being injected every 3-4 days- -at least, it helps keep blood levels more stable, allowing for better results. So if you can inject every mon.thurs.sat and keep it that way throughout that would be optimal. start your pct 2 weeks after last inject. don't listen or be pushed around by some of these lockeroom meatheads wanting to make some quick money either. Do this routine, it is very easy to follow, and i think(assuming your juice isn't garbage) you'll be quite pleased. let us know how it goes

thanks alot for the walkthrough man. appreciate it, so basically i should do wut u told me for 12 wks. at 300 mg.. and like you said, pokin myself 3 times a week is a bit too much for a first timer..lol.. maybe twice a week. every 2.5 days. So in all honesty, how much should i expect outta this cycle, lets assume diet and training is perfect, should i expect 25-30 lbs??... or less. another thing is, when i was researching test enan. i read that it takes abotu 500 mgs per week for it to work, anything under is waste of time and not as effective. and here you are telling me that 300 does it ( which is really wut i wanna do), any input ? And how much can i expect to lose once i come off forever??

[SiLvErBaK]

thanks alot for the walkthrough man. appreciate it, so basically i should do wut u told me for 12 wks. at 300 mg.. and like you said, pokin myself 3 times a week is a bit too much for a first timer..lol.. maybe twice a week. every 2.5 days. So in all honesty, how much should i expect outta this cycle, lets assume diet and training is perfect, should i expect 25-30 lbs??... or less. another thing is, when i was researching test enan. i read that it takes abotu 500 mgs per week for it to work, anything under is waste of time and not as effective. and here you are telling me that 300 does it ( which is really wut i wanna do), any input ? And how much can i expect to lose once i come off forever??

if your expecting 30 pounds of weight gain you're gonna either have to get fat or use a strong oral like anadrol or dbol with the test. trust me, at 300mg/week u will gain around 20 lbs. given your training and diet are acceptable. if u are set on 500/week then do . it might make the difference of a couple pounds in the end. you'll only keep what your genetic limit allows. if genetically your body can hold 20 - 30 pounds more muscle then you'll keep most of what u gain as long AS your still eating right and training hard and u do proper pct. remember 5-7 pounds of it will be water so that will come off and you may put on 1 or 2 pounds of fat so in the end it will be around 10 pounds of true muscle. the only reason guys are so large is because they don't usually come off, or at least they are on for most of the year. if your gonna start and quit with this cycle you'll only keep what your bodys predetermined genetic makeup, and diet allows for.

[SiLvErBaK]

the safest thing u ca do is start low..see how u respond..then bump it up if need be.

[Saint]

here's a thought that's been bugging me all day, its a really noobish question, but please dnot flame me.. lol... would taking any kind of testosterone for say 12 weeks and taking good pct affect my chances of having kids in the future, serious question

[Houstonbc]

no dude

[SiLvErBaK]

here's a thought that's been bugging me all day, its a really noobish question, but please dnot flame me.. lol... would taking any kind of testosterone for say 12 weeks and taking good pct affect my chances of having kids in the future, serious question

crank can temproarily decrease spermatogenesis, in other words while u r on u may have a lower sperm count. it will not affect the future. i've gotten my wife pregnant twice while on.

[gustavo77]

crank can temproarily decrease spermatogenesis, in other words while u r on u may have a lower sperm count. it will not affect the future. i've gotten my wife pregnant twice while on.

Just got my girl prego while on last Jan..

[SiLvErBaK]

Just got my girl prego while on last Jan..


lol! yup, here i am thinking "nah, she proly won't get pregnant...i'm on juice"....then bam! 2-3 weeks later she's like i missed my period...again.

**** this will be number 4 for me, in august. i'm gettin fixed after that.

[Saint]

hey guys, thanks for all your help, but i dont think i will be getting my stuff from the "6 weeks cycle:" guy..... i found someone else who sells shit for 12 weeks, so i will be buying eq, test enan, and nolva for 420 cndn.. wut u guys think, rip off/???.. i need feedback asap so i can get a hold of him, thanx all

[Houstonbc]

prices are a no no bro
plus no one could tell ya anyway as you dont say the quantity!

[SiLvErBaK]

hey guys, thanks for all your help, but i dont think i will be getting my stuff from the "6 weeks cycle:" guy..... i found someone else who sells shit for 12 weeks, so i will be buying eq, test enan, and nolva for 420 cndn.. wut u guys think, rip off/???.. i need feedback asap so i can get a hold of him, thanx all

bro, u don't by cycles per"8 weeks", or "10 weeks". your gonna get ripped off man.

[Saint]

prices are a no no bro
plus no one could tell ya anyway as you dont say the quantity!

hey man, i always wondered why posting prices were such a big deal on here, fill me in

[Saint]

bro, u don't by cycles per"8 weeks", or "10 weeks". your gonna get ripped off man.

wut u mean, then how do u buy them?? well wut i really meant to say is each vial will have enough for 12 weeks, is that better??

[Houstonbc]

let me put this very clear for you......you will be buying more than likely either buying a vial that contains 10ml or perhaps 20ml's in them or maybe you are buying "amps" which generally contain 1ml per amp. so ya you buy your gear by amp or vial price. what you're going to be taking in 12 weeks experienced users would take in 4 or something you get what im saying?

[Houstonbc]

hopefully that helps you understand more

[Saint]

let me put this very clear for you......you will be buying more than likely either buying a vial that contains 10ml or perhaps 20ml's in them or maybe you are buying "amps" which generally contain 1ml per amp. so ya you buy your gear by amp or vial price. what you're going to be taking in 12 weeks experienced users would take in 4 or something you get what im saying?

i understand wut u are saying now, but are u an experienced user who takes all that in 4 weeks?? and are u sayin that it is a rip off, and like u said, it is a vial that i will be paying for.

[IronRobi]

hey man, i always wondered why posting prices were such a big deal on here, fill me in
With all the recent busts all over the world, talking pricing and naming UGL's can draw a lot of unwanted attention and potentially risk good reliable sources. So out of respect to them we don't. If you want to know if your stuff is good, or the price is paid is proper, it's always best to e-mail a mod using some form of secure mail.

[Houstonbc]

i dont know if i would i was just looking for an example but ya i probly would :)

[jjmac]

cause once i start the cycle, i'm sure i'll have plenty of questions

I would say you need to read up on AS for at least another 6 weeks every day before you do anything, it sounds like you don't know what your getting into just yet. You shoud know everything before the cycle not after you run into problems during it.

[Saint]

question: i already started my test cycle, just had my first shot, and i also got sick couple days before the shot, sore throat and a bad flu, went to the doctor and got sum antibiotics, was wondering, is it ok/safe to be mixing antibiotics with AAS???

[bigdaddydrew123]

yes you can mix them , you have 2 choices though you could just delay your start as you have only had 1 shot. or just keep going because it willtake 4 or 5 weeks anyway to kick in by then you will feel better.there iis evidence antibiotics will block some of your anabolics but i was on both and did not notice any diff. if it was me id just restart when your better but no big deal either way as long as you feel you can train and eat properly

[Saint]

big problem guys, i went to three different shopper drug marts here in windsor, and none of them carry 23 gauge 1.5 long syringes, i asked if they know where i can get them from, they said no one makes them. wtf........ all i got right now is 1 inch long and my next injection is 2morrow and i really wanna do it in the glute, so i was wodnering if the 1 inch is ok to use on the glutes????

[Saint]

any 1???????????????

[bigdaddydrew123]

check injection thread which was just posted.depends on how fat you are for glutes. you can order your pinz online right off of this site. you should of had all your shit together b4 you started, big rookie mistake , rookie

[Houstonbc]

1 " is probably fine as long as you arent fat make sure you push it all the way in

[IronRobi]

and if you are fat, use 22g 1.5"... your ass can't feel a difference between 22 and 23