Anavar PCT and during?

[logan666]

Currently 170lbs. 5'8
15%-20% Body fat- Guessing (never had an accurate measurement)
25 years old, in the gym for nearly 2 years solid.
Diet is about 80% clean, better than most but could use a little tweaking not gonna lie.

Thinking of doing a Var cycle as I am not looking to get huge, just a little more solid while bringing that body fat percentage down.

I started quite light 2 years ago (140lbs) and have been basically bulking over the past 2 years. Now I have that bulky, skinny/fat look going on which is quite disappointing to see in the mirror after 2 years of work. Yes I am bigger which was the overall goal, now I want to get that structured defined look as I am happy with the overall size.
I am a hardgainer that struggled to get this much weight and has made my wallet quite light with all the food and supplements while still being quite unhappy with my body.
Time to get cut! :bch



40mg ED/8 weeks
Supplement with Shotgun V3 (nos/creatine) Read creatine stacks well with var.
Fish oils
Animal pak multi
Greens (supplement with protein, might as well have extra veggies too)
Optimum pro complex protein.

Now I was thinking of adding in Trib or something similar to keep the little guy happy while on cycle. Any thoughts on this?

I have been reading different opinions on the PCT. nolva or clomid, some say nothing, some just say use OTC stuff. Can I please get some PTC advice?

Any opinions or help is appreciated. Please don't tell me to take something else or to start taking test like everyone does. I did my research and for my goals it sounds like anavar is my best choice. Just looking for some advice on the cycle itself and the PCT..etc. As well the side effects and ways to prepare myself to avoid them as much as possible (things like tribulus..etc).

Thanks

[logan666]

Forgot to add my training consists of a Push/Pull routine 4 days a week. Mostly compound, heavy/low rep workout. 15 mins cardio at the end of every session.

Planning to add in a 5th day of just cardio to help with the cut while increasing the cardio on all of the other days.

[#8]

that was my exact same first cycle dude. i had zero libido issues at all with var, and i didnt need to take any trib or anything. i didnt even do a pct, which was dumb, but i didnt get any sides. thats a fairly mild cycle and you shouldnt need much more than some clomid/nolva for a couple weeks after perhaps although im no pct expert.

my advice would be to go 400mg a week of test to stack with that var and your gains will be 10x better, especially for fat loss.

good luck.

[logan666]

that was my exact same first cycle dude. i had zero libido issues at all with var, and i didnt need to take any trib or anything. i didnt even do a pct, which was dumb, but i didnt get any sides. thats a fairly mild cycle and you shouldnt need much more than some clomid/nolva for a couple weeks after perhaps although im no pct expert.

my advice would be to go 400mg a week of test to stack with that var and your gains will be 10x better, especially for fat loss.

good luck.


What type of results did you have running just the var?

I don't want to run test on my first cycle, especially since I am not really trying to gain size anymore. Also, I am looking for more permanent steady gains, which I read that anavar produces. Not sure how test holds up over time without having to cycle over and over...

Anyone have an opinion on which one to run PCT.. Nolva or Clomid?

[TapOut]

I would just stick with the nolva...i honestly dont think there would be no need for clomid :)

[Seth]

Var made me look very good. Rock hard actually. Weight gain on the other hand was okay but nothing great. It'll help you maintain your mass while you cut. 8 weeks on orals is a long time though, plus 40mg is a very low dose for var. I did between 70 and 100mg/d. It's also very expensive. I know you don't want to hear it, but you should try test only :p

Just my opinion/experience though

[logan666]

Var made me look very good. Rock hard actually. Weight gain on the other hand was okay but nothing great. It'll help you maintain your mass while you cut. 8 weeks on orals is a long time though, plus 40mg is a very low dose for var. I did between 70 and 100mg/d. It's also very expensive. I know you don't want to hear it, but you should try test only :p

Just my opinion/experience though

Did the "rock hard" body last? Everywhere I read it says how anavar is pretty much all permanent gains. Just wondering how your body kept when off for an extended time.

[logan666]

Whats your diet exactly? (wondering because you say you're a "hardgainer")

My diet consists of whole grains, high protein, high calories (healthy calories).
Was taking a gainer shake every morning. Casein protein before bed every night. Other than that I would be eating 6 meals a day sticking to high protein in every meal and whole grains like quinoa or whole wheat pastas. I tried to get in as much fruit as I could daily as well, on top of the fruit and veggies I supplement with Veggie greens as getting in the veggies is a weakness for me. Also had fish oils in there.

I would try to get around the 3500 calorie mark daily.
200 Grams protein minimum.
12 bottles water daily

I stayed away from junk food altogether like fast food, snacks..etc. I am not a sweets guy either so those were easy to keep out of my diet.

[Seth]

Did the "rock hard" body last? Everywhere I read it says how anavar is pretty much all permanent gains. Just wondering how your body kept when off for an extended time.

The gains pretty much stayed because there's almost no water gain with var. But the rock hard pumped all the time look doesn't last.

[gregdoucette]

Actually 40 is alot if uve never done anything ever and u stat taking 40 a dya ull feel like superman.

[Seth]

personally I barely feel it at 50/d, but it is true I'm heavier than the op. I wouldn't take over 40 for 7 weeks though. The liver wouldn't like that

[BenT]

I have used var alone at 60/d for 8 weeks. I have also used it in combination with test.

Alone, it made me more vascular, muscles harder, and made me lose fat. I got toned and fit looking, not bigger. No, noticeable weight gain.

[BenT]

I have used var alone at 60/d for 8 weeks. I have also used it in combination with test.

Alone, it made me more vascular, muscles harder, and made me lose fat. I got toned and fit looking, not bigger. No, noticeable weight gain.

Oops. Yeah, I did clomid only PCT - no HCG or anything. was fine - no depression or major change really and was pretty vascular for a few months after.

Then I got lazy and pigged out.

[logan666]

Thanks for all the input everyone. The "toned" look is more or less what I am going for here, so this sounds like a good choice once again.

Has anyone tried Trib or any other over the counter product to help bump their libido while on var? This is the most common problem I am reading while taking var, libido loss.

Also I was thinking of throwing in some liv52 just for the extra liver protection, is there anything better or different OTC that you guys would recommend before using Liv52?

[BenT]

Thanks for all the input everyone. The "toned" look is more or less what I am going for here, so this sounds like a good choice once again.

Has anyone tried Trib or any other over the counter product to help bump their libido while on var? This is the most common problem I am reading while taking var, libido loss.

Also I was thinking of throwing in some liv52 just for the extra liver protection, is there anything better or different OTC that you guys would recommend before using Liv52?

I had zero libido issues - it affects people differently.

I just used milk thistle for liver protection, as well as omega-3. Var is not as toxic to the liver as other orals, it is commonly prescribed for long-term usage (months not weeks) for AIDS patients to prevent muscle wasting. My liver enzymes were slightly elevated after 8 weeks, getting towards upper limit of normal range, nothing my doc was concerned about. Keep alcohol to an absolute minimum though.

[logan666]

It seems like this is a never ending struggle to find a solid answer about anavar pct. I have basically been researching for months now holding off on starting a cycle as I have been told over and over to research first....
Every forum I read gives different answers! I'm losing my sh*t, lol. All because I want to "play it safe".. Well, safe as I can get it at least.

I was planning on taking Nolva, CEL cycle assist, CEL pct assist, and multi, fish oils and the usual supplements during my pct. (except for cycle assist will be during).
This will be from a 6 week var cycle now.

I just got flamed for posting about my cycle on another forum as they said I "need to research more" as nolva is totally useless for var pct.:help
I have researched till my eyes started bleeding and I feel like I am in the same position. Can someone with some expert advice or experience please tell me if Nolva helps with shutdown/suppression?
I was leaning towards Nolva for the less sides than Clomid and I keep reading that clomid is an outdated pct..etc..etc..

I think I researched too much that everything just contradicts everything and everyone just gives half ass answers or tells me to "RESEARCH MORE"!:confused:
I don't know about you but I thought asking questions in forums was "doing my research!"
Please, my fellow Canadians, put me out of my misery!!!!!!!..............................

[bigtavi8]

The reason the research is conflicting is because people who use AAS would not waste their time posting pct about a anavar only cycle. It is just a newb thing because in reality oral only cycles never amount to much gains and usually lead to the person just sucking it up and doing test. But back to the topic. If you run the var for 6 weeks a suitable pct would be
Nolvadex week 1-40mg ED
week 2-40mg ED
Week 3-20mg ED
Week 4-20mg ED

Thats definitly more than enough nolvadex and a sufficient pct to recover from an anavar only cycle. Stop making things more complicated then they are. Get var, and nolva and run it then do this pct. Then when your ready to make real gains get out the test.

[fathead]

you need to worry much less about your ideal anavar cycle pct and worry A LOT more about your diet.

taking var will not make you "toned". altering your diet will. and eating whole grains and gainer shakes and as much fruit as you can will result in the skinny fat physique you currently have becoming skinnyfatter

i dont think you need to research var or pct anymore, i think you have enough of a handle on it to make your own decision about how to run it, youll never get a consistent answer on these boards because there is more then one way to skin a cat and everyone has an opinion as to which is the "right way"

you need to research the basics of nutrition and how the body works in order to achieve you goals

[natenator]

you need to worry much less about your ideal anavar cycle pct and worry A LOT more about your diet.

taking var will not make you "toned". altering your diet will. and eating whole grains and gainer shakes and as much fruit as you can will result in the skinny fat physique you currently have becoming skinnyfatter

i dont think you need to research var or pct anymore, i think you have enough of a handle on it to make your own decision about how to run it, youll never get a consistent answer on these boards because there is more then one way to skin a cat and everyone has an opinion as to which is the "right way"

you need to research the basics of nutrition and how the body works in order to achieve you goals
you're wrong.

It's all about the drugs doncha know

[fathead]

you're wrong.

It's all about the drugs doncha know

shhhhh. if the secret gets out all the fatties and lazies will look just as good as us short cut using, easy route taking "steroid users" do