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daande
06-03-2010, 04:01 PM
Role of SARMs in Androgen Therapy for Men

Currently used androgenic formulations for replacement therapy are largely restricted to injectable or skin delivery formulations of testosterone or testosterone esters. Marketed injectable forms of testosterone esters (such as testosterone enanthate, propionate, or cypionate) produce undesirable fluctuations in testosterone blood levels, with supraphysiological concentrations early, and subnormal levels towards the end of the period before the next injection, providing an unsatisfactory profile and in some cases undesired side effects. Skin patches do provide a better blood level profile of testosterone, but skin irritation and daily application still limit the usefulness and acceptability of this form of therapy (1, 20, 21, 22). Oral preparations such as fluoxymesterone and 17{alpha}-methyltestosterone are not currently used due to concerns about liver toxicity linked to the 17{alpha}-alkyl group and because of somewhat lower efficacy. Thus, these compounds are considered obsolete (1, 20) and do not represent a viable form of therapy.

The discovery and development of SARMs provides the opportunity to design molecules that are not only orally active, but that target AR in different tissues to elicit the desired activity for each of the key indications benefiting from androgen therapy. The desired activity profile of novel SARMs is described in Table 1Go. For simplicity, we have listed the desired activity in tissues or specific parameters for one specific indication (i.e., male hypogonadism) side by side with a category for selected indications. The latter provides a menu of choices for the design of molecules that can address very specific needs in the treatment of different disorders. Thus, we envision that an ideal SARM for the treatment of primary or secondary male hypogonadism (Table 1Go) would have the following profile: orally active, ideally with a pharmacokinetic profile consistent with once a day administration, capable of stimulating prostate, seminal vesicles, and other sex accessory tissues at doses equipotent to those needed to provide increases in muscle mass and strength and fat-free mass, support bone growth, and maintain/restore libido, virilization, and male habitus. Unlike testosterone which, when converted to DHT in the prostate has an enhanced proliferative activity in relation to other peripheral tissues, these SARMs are not substrates for 5{alpha}-reductase activity, nor do they affect the activity of the enzyme. Other activities that are considered undesirable should be diminished or eliminated, such as potential liver toxicity, blood pressure effects and fluid retention, induction of gynecomastia, and overstimulation of erythropoiesis. On the other hand, use of SARMs for selected indications provides the rationale for developing molecules with distinct tissue specificity. For example, if the target is bone growth in elderly men with osteopenia or osteoporosis, but with no overt signs of hypogonadism, a more anabolic SARM with clear effects on bone and muscle, but lesser activity on prostate or other sex accessory tissues would be more desirable.

Source: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/10/3459#T1

Anyone have any more information on this stuff?

daande
06-03-2010, 04:03 PM
This is an example of a SARM:

BMS-564,929 is an investigational selective androgen receptor modulator, which is being developed by Bristol-Myers Squibb for treatment of the symptoms of age-related decline in androgen levels in men ("andropause"). These symptoms may include depression, loss of muscle mass and strength, reduction in libido and osteoporosis. Treatment with exogenous testosterone is effective in counteracting these symptoms but is associated with a range of side effects, the most serious of which is enlargement of the prostate gland, which can lead to benign prostatic hypertrophy and even prostate cancer. This means there is a clinical need for selective androgen receptor modulators, which produce anabolic effects in some tissues such as muscle and bone, but without stimulating androgen receptors in the prostate.[1]

BMS-564,929 is one such compound currently in early human clinical trials, which is an orally active, potent and selective agonist for androgen receptors (Ki 2.1nM, 20x functional selectivity for muscle tissue over prostate) and in studies on castrated rats it was shown to counteract decrease in muscle mass over time, and at higher doses even increased muscle mass, without significantly affecting prostate tissue.[2] It does however reduce luteinizing hormone levels, which may be a problem in human clinical use.[3]

Selective androgen receptor modulators may also be used by athletes to assist in training and increase physical stamina and fitness, potentially producing effects similar to anabolic steroids but with significantly less side effects. For this reason, SARMs have already been banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency since January 2008 despite no drugs from this class yet being in clinical use, and blood tests for all known SARMs are currently being developed.[4][5]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMS-564,929

Ritch
06-03-2010, 04:13 PM
I think sarms have been out long enough now that if they were a valubale tool, the reviews would be out there. Haven`t heard much, so I`d pass on them.

chan_ho_nam
06-03-2010, 04:26 PM
I tried S4 last spring during and after PCT. I held onto more weight than I normally would coming off, but I still looked much softer. Felt like I was using 250mg test a week, maybe less. On top of that week 2-3 the vision(green tint) problems started being very noticable, I had to cut use week 6 because it was becoming unbearable.

Honestly I wouldn't recommend it unless they resolved that issue. Or maybe one of the other SARMs would work better than S4.

vakker
06-03-2010, 04:58 PM
they are valuable tools to the vendors selling them.

tiramisu
06-03-2010, 08:43 PM
pass.

methadone
07-03-2010, 01:01 AM
i posted up a thread about this month ago...

It's all the hype at elitefitness (yes, i know that forum isn't a good place for info). They have a sponsor there that sells it and all the mods shit on you if you even question thier product (or any of the sponsor's products, for that matter)

They have everyone believing that it doesn't suppress the HTPA at all and it's good to use during PCT. I keep asking for proof (blood work) but all i get all references to people's logs and kicks to the face...heh

bongd
07-03-2010, 04:58 PM
Yeah everyone hypes shit at Elitefitness. I don't bother posting there anymore.

SARMs look promising on paper but are heavily flawed in real life. It's no surprise though, they're not even on the market and we're already ****ing around with research grade SARMs. As tempting as it is I want to find out of it's that PEG-300 or the SARM itself causing the ocular degeneration. I appreciate my eyesight too much to **** around with SARMs at this point.

I'm going to stay on cycle until one comes out and then I'll safely come off the sauce (serious - wife has given approval lol) :D

theboss
07-03-2010, 09:23 PM
pass.

x2

Danger
08-03-2010, 02:36 PM
I hear they work best when injected into the vein on the bottom of your cock.

Solo59
09-03-2010, 04:31 PM
I hear they work best when injected into the vein on the bottom of your cock.

What doesn't?:rolleyes:

Solo