Cissus quadrangularis during PCT

[Memo]

Ive been using 4g a day of Cissus quadrangularis 5% ketosteroid, but i was wondering if cissus could be suppressive on the hpta. My friend is doing the same, both of us are into pct, I am 36 days into it, he is 4 days, and both of us have very very high sex drive from cissus. Is it counter productive for my pct to supplement with an androgenic/anabolic substance?

I found out that only steroid that attach to human steroid receptors in the cytosol should cause suppression. Steroids from plants typically have large functional groups on the 17th carbon atom which specifically interferes with this binding.

Ultimately, plant-sterols as they do not function in a manner which will induce a negative feedback within the HPTA.

Is this right? Anybody know more about this?

[wan2lrn]

I wish it had the same effect on me. I've been using it for about 3 weeks now and my sex drive hasn't changed, still on the low side. Now I realize that I am probably a lot older than you are and maybe need to increase my dosage.

[Ritch]

I`ve read it`s actually good to use it during pct. I think in slightly higher doses some claim it to be anticatabolic as it reduces cortisol levels. On most days, I`m getting the same amount as you. I`ve tried going higher in doses but this stuff is a laxative as well.

So far it`s helped my left shoulder, so I`m going to keep taking 1.2 grams 3 times a day.

[Memo]

I am using the stuff from Trueprotein, its quite expensive. I was planning on staying on it for 5 months and going back on testosterone after. Wan2lrn I am 25, but I am not sure if it has an influence. Cissus should not boost testosterone, but has active compound that binds on receptors.

[Ritch]

expensive? If me, the penny pincher of the board can run it, I don`t think the stuff is expensvie. I paid $40 for 500 grams. That`s like a 5 month supply. So less than $10 a month. How much did you pay for what amount?

[Memo]

Can you PM me where you got this? i paid like 50g for 22$. I ordered the caps for a friend and he lost his job and could not afford it anymore when I got it for him so decided to use it.

TP has 500g for 45$. I will probably buy that next time since I know their stuff works

[Ritch]

A $5 difference is not really worth paying the shipping costs that will come from ordering from another place as the rates always start at $20.

[daande]

he got 50g for $22 not 500g for $22

[Ritch]

he got 50g for $22 not 500g for $22

what? That sucks. And not even a 14 day supply.

[Memo]

he got 50g for $22 not 500g for $22

Yeah TP sells capped product for 22$ 50g or bulk powder 9$ for 100g.

[Ritch]

The powder dosen`t taste that bad. Just make sure you put the powder on our tongue. Don`t let it go between your teeth and gums. But it kinda tastes like hot coco.

[bongd]

The ketosteroids are plant sterols, they're not androgenic steroids. I do believe cissus is marginally anabolic though. It is literally the BEST supplement out there. It actually WORKS as advertised.

This, along with creatine monohydrate and beta alanine are excellent. People under-appreciate them because they expect steroid like gains, but it's their loss. Take them for what they're worth. The small difference they make are worth it, considering how cheap they are.

I've been advocating cissus for years. Anytime my shoulders or joints act up I hop on this stuff. Megadosed it for a few days and my recurring shoulder pains went away. I sometimes get a little more aches on cycle than I do when I'm off, but this stuff takes the cake.


At the risk of sounding like a snake oil salesman, tell all your friends about cissus. I can't stand seeing a good buddy in the gym massaging their shoulder or complaining about tendinitis!! Especially when there are cheap supplements like cissus that'll help. I'm going to get some for my black lab/sheppard. I have my fiance on this because of a car accident, as well as her parents as they're pretty old now.

[musclehead123]

The ketosteroids are plant sterols, they're not androgenic steroids. I do believe cissus is marginally anabolic though. It is literally the BEST supplement out there. It actually WORKS as advertised.

This, along with creatine monohydrate and beta alanine are excellent. People under-appreciate them because they expect steroid like gains, but it's their loss. Take them for what they're worth. The small difference they make are worth it, considering how cheap they are.

I've been advocating cissus for years. Anytime my shoulders or joints act up I hop on this stuff. Megadosed it for a few days and my recurring shoulder pains went away. I sometimes get a little more aches on cycle than I do when I'm off, but this stuff takes the cake.


At the risk of sounding like a snake oil salesman, tell all your friends about cissus. I can't stand seeing a good buddy in the gym massaging their shoulder or complaining about tendinitis!! Especially when there are cheap supplements like cissus that'll help. I'm going to get some for my black lab/sheppard. I have my fiance on this because of a car accident, as well as her parents as they're pretty old now.


What your "mega dose" and how do u take it? Few doses throughout the day?

[KoN]

Where's the cheapest place to get it?

[kloan]

So... this is a recommended product for use during PCT? When I'm finished this cycle, I'm gonna need all the help I can get. Starting to make a list now of the natural stuff I can take along with the Nolva, Aromasin and HCG (HCG prior to PCT of course).

[bongd]

Nutraplanet.com has great prices on it. It's also not limited to being a "PCT" addition, it's great for on cycle when things get stiff and sore. I take it a couple times a year and I'm always amazed at how well it works.

My bro actually just mentioned it at dinner tonight. Said he's been taking it for two weeks and he's throwing up the 110lbs and 115lbs dumbbells again, and I remember him always complaining about a bum shoulder. I started taking mine just a couple weeks ago too! Just an extra two servings the first few days then three servings, then maintenance dose. I use USPLabs cissus. The extra high extracts have mainly keto-3-sterols or some shit, I think the other sterols are important too so I stick with around 10% extracts or so.

[KoN]

I want the powder but TrueProtein only has caps as far as I can see, and the next best I found was Primaforce Bulk Cissus 100 g for 19.99. Anyone have anything better?

edit: Just found it but I don't want to get raped by customs. Anyone know a domestic source?

[MMASTAR]

trueprotein has no customs fees..

[Memo]

trueprotein has no customs fees..

x2

[methadone]

my left shoulder always kills....

can one be on this year round?

[Memo]

my left shoulder always kills....

can one be on this year round?

I think so

[methadone]

Which one exactly is everyone's fave? ive googled up a bunch and have come up with 50%, 30%, 20% but not 10% or anything

thanks

[Memo]

i use TP cissus, never tried anything else. its 500g for 44$ if you take 3-5g a day you have 3-4 months supply

[methadone]

thanks bro, ill order some up

the thought of being able to military press without my left shoulder feeling like its going to explode excites me

[methadone]

well, i finally got it in today. man this shit tastes horrible...ah well cant taste it when it's mixed into my protein shake.

so it didnt come a measuring spoon or anything...so im using baking spoons. Is at 1.2ml spoon = 1.2grams? im going to take, say i dont know, how does 3.5 grams a day sound boys?

im taking it cause of my shoulder..

[Ritch]

my bottle says 1.2 grams per 1/4 tablespoon. So 3 servings a day is a place to start. I can`t believ you actually put that stuff in you protein shakes, sick man... I`ve noticed if the teaspoons I take are too heaping, I get the shits, which sucks because if I want to take more I then have to dose 4 servings a day, and that`s getting annoying...

When you throw it down your hatch, aim for the back of your tongue and make sure it`s in the middle. If it gets between your cheeck and your teeth, then you suffer the wraph of disgustingness of the cissus. I did cap some, and it`s major ****ing pain in the ass. The powder gets sticky and I`d even wear a mask to avoid breathing in the airborn particles. So I save the caps for my pre bed dose as it`s the last time of the day I feel like messing with powders.

Good new, the stuff works like equi did on my shoulder.

[Memo]

Would it be more effective to use it with deca or they will compete with receptors?

[Ritch]

Would it be more effective to use it with deca or they will compete with receptors?

If cissus competed for the same receptors as deca, wouldn`t that mean using just cissus would cause shutdown of your htpa? Since I doubt that`s true, I`ll take a logical guess and say no.

Dosen`t deca increase collagen production of synthesis in the body to heal injuries? I`ve never heard of cissus increasing collagen synthesis but don`t know the exact mechanisms of how it works. I know it does produce an analgesic effect on the body making you think you`re cured when you first start taking it. Also helps repair bones fractures but again, I have no idea how.

[methadone]

ah ****, i dont taste **** all almost...it's disgustingness gets lost between the ground up oatmeal, olive oil, and chocolate peanut butter protein flavours...lol

[Ritch]

My stuff is 5% extract and it`s working nicely. The highest I`ve seen is 10%.

[Ritch]

Are you still taking 3x1.2g's/day? Can't just take it all at once? Have you noticed any other effects other than joint pain suppression?

Don`t take it all at once! I guess you missed the part about me pissing brown water out of my ass by simply taking doses higher than 1.2 grams ( the 1/4 teaspoons were simply much more heaping than usual. No other effects have been noticed. Some talk of the cissus pump, but getting a pump for me has never been a problem.

[Memo]

Some higher extract are not always better. I would stick to what I know works, TP product worked for me so far. I Cannot speak for any other brand since i never tried anything else. Take it for what its worth.