anavar and body fat loss?

[rated_rko]

whos experienced bodyfat loss while running var?
and what dose were u running?

[dremen]

whos experienced bodyfat loss while running var?
and what dose were u running?


Dude hate to burst yer bubble, but var is just like the rest of the AAS out there. It's just a tool to add to diet/training ect.

You want fat loss then run helios or something. That being said if you're doing a cutter and running var around 50mg/ed or more with proper diet/cardio you will love it.

Last cycle i used var with dbol/test ect for bulking and as soon as i added the var it was insane bro.

I just think your question is not quite specific enough to warrant a proper response.

[guest]

the only thing i experience from var is bloat and increased irritability.

[L3]

last var i had made my insides hurt :(

[OntariOMuscle101]

I have used Anavar @ 100mg/ED for last 6 weeks of my 8 week Test Prop cycle and I definately noticed fat loss in my midsection, I did not even try and diet down.

[natenator]

whos experienced bodyfat loss while running var?
and what dose were u running?
AAS does not burn fat.

Oldest myth in the book.

[waderow]

AAS does not burn fat.

Oldest myth in the book.

as a matter of fact, yes they can nate.

certain anabolics, and even test can increase metabolism

[troy_trinity]

test, tren and var all shown to decrease/burn bf in some way or another. They don't do a shitload but they do a little. Like 2% of it.

Anyways- var is shown to reduce visceral fat. Many people say it's bs- other people believe it's true.

[ironwill]

last var i had made my insides hurt :(

I dont know what happened, ive been a var lover forever.....The last time i got bloated to hell, and had semi diarrhea for the entire time??? Dammmit!!!
Digestion issues as well.....

[natenator]

show me a study that specifically says it burns adipose.

[dremen]

show me a study that specifically says it burns adipose.


Nate it's hard to show studies regarding AAS because first off it's illegal and secondly there are only a handfull of studies out there regarding AAS anyways. We are the lab rats bro, besides the docs who test AAS only use tiny amounts either in animals or humans, where as we run WAY higher amounts coupled with other compounds so it's not like there will be any studies done that REALLY help us out.

[ironwill]

I would like to see a study that shows it does not raise your metabolism.....
I know if i eat the same when not on, as i do when on, i get fat coming on and fast.....!!!!
I am talking post pct, and when hormones are normalized, i know the initial higher estrogen levels while on pct add to this effect, but when on my bf levels are much less , when all else is equal....

[dremen]

I would like to see a study that shows it does not raise your metabolism.....
I know if i eat the same when not on, as i do when on, i get fat coming on and fast.....!!!!
I am talking post pct, and when hormones are normalized, i know the initial higher estrogen levels while on pct add to this effect, but when on my bf levels are much less , when all else is equal....

So you think var adds body fat IW?

[natenator]

I would like to see a study that shows it does not raise your metabolism.....
I know if i eat the same when not on, as i do when on, i get fat coming on and fast.....!!!!
I am talking post pct, and when hormones are normalized, i know the initial higher estrogen levels while on pct add to this effect, but when on my bf levels are much less , when all else is equal....
"when all else is equal"

Nothing is ever equal in our worlds. Variables are not controlled like they are in a scientific setting so really you cannot say "all things being equal"

Ya'll can believe what you wish. I choose not to believe that AAS burns adipose but rather creates the elements in the body for various processes to happen which make it appear as though they, specifically, are burning fat.

GH is another discussion alltogether but doesn't fall under the AAS category.

[dremen]

I choose not to believe that AAS burns adipose but rather creates the elements in the body for various processes to happen which make it appear as though they, specifically, are burning fat.


Please explain the processes taking place as you see it.

[waderow]

I would like to see a study that shows it does not raise your metabolism.....
I know if i eat the same when not on, as i do when on, i get fat coming on and fast.....!!!!
I am talking post pct, and when hormones are normalized, i know the initial higher estrogen levels while on pct add to this effect, but when on my bf levels are much less , when all else is equal....

everyone except nate knows this

[natenator]

Please explain the processes taking place as you see it.
I don't know what those processes as I am not that advanced enough in my knowledge of the human body to say what they could be. Are you? Is anyone here? I doubt it.

Either way, I choose not to believe in a miracle drug. You guys are free to do what you wish.

[Praetorian]

AAS do not directly oxidize fatty acids or in other words burn body fat. AAS provide an artificially higher level of androgens in the blood which creates an environment conducive to burning body fat as fuel as long as we are "dieting" per se. As seen with natural bodybuilders when calories drop to a certain level hormone levels will drop as well...ie thyroid, testosterone, HGH etc...thus by circumventing this problem via exogenous hormones we allow more body fat to be used as fuel. This is often misinterpreted as aas burning body fat which is not the case. HGH on the other hand directly mobilizes fatty acids as a side effect...in conjunction with liver mediated IGF-1.
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[dremen]

AAS do not directly oxidize fatty acids or in other words burn body fat. AAS provide an artificially higher level of androgens in the blood which creates an environment conducive to burning body fat as fuel as long as we are "dieting" per se. As seen with natural bodybuilders when calories drop to a certain level hormone levels will drop as well...ie thyroid, testosterone, HGH etc...thus by circumventing this problem via exogenous hormones we allow more body fat to be used as fuel. This is often misinterpreted as aas burning body fat which is not the case. HGH on the other hand directly mobilizes fatty acids as a side effect...in conjunction with liver mediated IGF-1.
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Wow bro you are a welth of information:D

CBB is lucky to have you.

[ironwill]

So you think var adds body fat IW?

no, definitely i do not....

[waderow]

AAS do not directly oxidize fatty acids or in other words burn body fat. AAS provide an artificially higher level of androgens in the blood which creates an environment conducive to burning body fat as fuel as long as we are "dieting" per se. As seen with natural bodybuilders when calories drop to a certain level hormone levels will drop as well...ie thyroid, testosterone, HGH etc...thus by circumventing this problem via exogenous hormones we allow more body fat to be used as fuel. This is often misinterpreted as aas burning body fat which is not the case. HGH on the other hand directly mobilizes fatty acids as a side effect...in conjunction with liver mediated IGF-1.
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A) 3000 cal per day drug free with 4 x 1 hour w/o per week versus B) the exact same with 1 gram of test, and half gram of tren. Will you have less fat in two months with A or B

[rickyboy36]

everyone except nate knows this

Im really not surprised..lol

Like IW said,it does raise your metabolism,but ass is not Directly responsible for it.Taking loads of test or tren for example will make you become like a "heated furnace" and as long as your dieting like Prae said,you will lose fat from it

[dremen]

A) 3000 cal per day drug free with 4 x 1 hour w/o per week versus B) the exact same with 1 gram of test, and half gram of tren. Will you have less fat in two months with A or B

OMG option B sounds so nice... om nom nom:D

[Praetorian]

A) 3000 cal per day drug free with 4 x 1 hour w/o per week versus B) the exact same with 1 gram of test, and half gram of tren. Will you have less fat in two months with A or B

You will have less fat if dieting with option B. You will have a lower BF% with option B if off season....this can be misintepreted as less fat...however that is not accurate....in essence your lean body mass would have risen and your overall BF% would be lower however the actual fat mass should be the same...this is assuming all other things being equal...if that is at all possible.
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[rated_rko]

im just throwing it in the last stretch of my tren and test cycle....ill see what it does...upping my cardio too and tweaking my diet as well

[nitrous]

You will have less fat if dieting with option B. You will have a lower BF% with option B if off season....this can be misintepreted as less fat...however that is not accurate....in essence your lean body mass would have risen and your overall BF% would be lower however the actual fat mass should be the same...this is assuming all other things being equal...if that is at all possible.
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wouldnt the androgen properties of the test and tren create lipolysis?

[#8]

Heres a scientific study I tried on myself once...

I added 60mg of var to my diet for 10 weeks and I got noticeably leaner and more muscular at the same time.

I was not "dieting" nor was I even careful about what I was eating, yet I lost fat.

My 0.02

[bongd]

AAS do not directly oxidize fatty acids or in other words burn body fat. AAS provide an artificially higher level of androgens in the blood which creates an environment conducive to burning body fat as fuel as long as we are "dieting" per se. As seen with natural bodybuilders when calories drop to a certain level hormone levels will drop as well...ie thyroid, testosterone, HGH etc...thus by circumventing this problem via exogenous hormones we allow more body fat to be used as fuel. This is often misinterpreted as aas burning body fat which is not the case. HGH on the other hand directly mobilizes fatty acids as a side effect...in conjunction with liver mediated IGF-1.
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Yes, yes and YES.

For arguments sake I'll tell people that it doesn't directly burn fat and to not count on it. However, if one actually pays attention to their diet then AAS will greatly aid in body recomposition vs not running any steroids.

I look leaner and my muscles have a more 3 dimensional look, but I don't consider them to be "fat burners" by any means. Also when I'm on juice, my metabolism gets cranked, especially when running tren.

[Ritch]

Did somebody say om nom nom?

http://images.tmuscle.com/forum_images/6/b/6b41b_ORIG-collegehumor.393b9c05d9633381d0af084fe8ab1da9.jpg

[nitrous]

come on i'm trying to eat right now haha

[Ritch]

As long as you don`t think about her snatch too much or the smell it must give off, you should be fine...

[tiramisu]

Tren can be a bit deceiving when it comes to body composition. It does a nice job puffing up the muscle internally. You look bigger and harder like you have more muscle but much of this is water inside the muscle cell. As a percentage if you were to measure on a test/tren cycle you could easily have exactly the same total bodyfat but have a lower percentage. Fun with numbers.

I don't think the night sweats can be equated to an increased metabolism. If anything it is far more related to going hypoglycemic while sleeping. Better evening diet management reduces the night sweats impact for me on tren. Although it certainly doesn't solve it. I had some nasty sweats last night.

[nitrous]

I don't think the night sweats can be equated to an increased metabolism. If anything it is far more related to going hypoglycemic while sleeping. Better evening diet management reduces the night sweats impact for me on tren. Although it certainly doesn't solve it. I had some nasty sweats last night.

i thought having too many carbs before bed makes the night sweats worse.. but you are thinking a low gi carb to control your levels a little better would help?

i'm just curious i'm on tren right now (1.5 weeks in an 8 weeker) and havent really had any bad night sweats.. hotter and crazy dreams but thats it

[tiramisu]

High gi carbs generally ensure that I go hypoglycemic. Brown Rice/Sweet Potato etc with Protein (meat) at my evening meal seems to smooth the whole night sweats thing out for me. Sadly that's not in the card for me on the palumbo template I'm currently following.

The carb cut-off and tren are tough for me to do together. I can do it but I wake up soaked.

[nitrous]

High gi carbs generally ensure that I go hypoglycemic. Brown Rice/Sweet Potato etc with Protein (meat) at my evening meal seems to smooth the whole night sweats thing out for me. Sadly that's not in the card for me on the palumbo template I'm currently following.

The carb cut-off and tren are tough for me to do together. I can do it but I wake up soaked.

interesting.. perhaps that cup of oatmeal i'm putting back right before bed explains why i'm pretty dry when i sleep..

[tiramisu]

dunno, if you feel adventuresome you can always give it a try :)

put down some plastic first.

[nitrous]

dunno, if you feel adventuresome you can always give it a try :)

put down some plastic first.

haha i've already been doing it just because its part of my routine.. so far so good