Test enanthate really painful.

[pblade]

I am on hrt, and i bought a vial from a source to start a cycle. I never had any problems with injection pain with my HG testosterone, but I have shot twice so far with this new vial . once in my right glute, and my left quad. I am literally crippled, i feel like someone hit me with a tire iron and I am limping when i walk. Will the pain eventually subside or it will last the whole time like this because it will really affect my workouts?

[natenator]

cut it with some sterile oil.

[waderow]

I am on hrt, and i bought a vial from a source to start a cycle. I never had any problems with injection pain with my HG testosterone, but I have shot twice so far with this new vial . once in my right glute, and my left quad. I am literally crippled, i feel like someone hit me with a tire iron and I am limping when i walk. Will the pain eventually subside or it will last the whole time like this because it will really affect my workouts?

brutal. what is the dose per ml?

seems to be crashing

[natenator]

ahh true. It could be crashing - didn't think of that.

Stick a pin in it and bake at 250 degrees for 15mins and see if that helps.

[bongd]

Stick it in the trash and buy a different brand. I wouldn't try salvaging it. Sounds like you'll get an infection if you keep using that shit.

[rickyboy36]

First off,is your vial all cloudy?Second,if your vial isnt cloudy and it did crash inside of you then the pain would be the next day or so.If it hurt while injecting,then its probably the "BA" that caused it..unless of course its a high concentration per CC.Either case,you can dilute it by adding in some oil.Just do the math afterwards to know how many mgs are per ml

[pblade]

It is 250mg/ml from a UG lab and the pain is there 3-4 days after brutally. My quad inflamed so could that mean that the oil didn't all absorb? Shall I try heating the vial under hot water next inject? Or is it that a high BA content will also inflame the injection site plus the pain?


P.s it is not cloudy so i presume it has not crashed.

[GYMBRAT]

sounds like the ba to me bro, the pain will subside but you will have it all over again next inj so I'd follow what nate said and try that out.

....or what bongd posted works as well haha

[rickyboy36]

It is 250mg/ml from a UG lab and the pain is there 3-4 days after brutally. My quad inflamed so could that mean that the oil didn't all absorb? Shall I try heating the vial under hot water next inject? Or is it that a high BA content will also inflame the injection site plus the pain?


P.s it is not cloudy so i presume it has not crashed.

Im not sure if baking it will eliminate some of the BA,but if you do,dont forget to Vent your vial.If baking doesnt work..add some oil..this will dilute it and your BA% will be less.

[GYMBRAT]

x2

[pblade]

What is it meant by baking it? What sort of process will I need to run. And just as plan b if I will end up diluting it with some oil to lessen the pain where would I be able to purchase the oil other than research sites because I do not want to wait
for the order and just fix the pain quick.

Btw why would the pain eventually subside gymbrat? Will my body begin to accept the high BA or the high testosterone lvls will quickly recover any pain?

[kloan]

unlikely you'll get used to it.. it's going to be painful every time.
how the **** these cumquads can mess up a simple thing like this is beyond me.

god, i can only imagine how shitty their cookies would taste if they cant even get a simple Test recipe right.

[Kilburn]

250 is fairly concentrated. HG is usually only 50-100 from what iv seen. higher concentration of hormone=more pain.

it could also be that your body isnt used to the carrier. is it EO? because alot of people dont tolerate that stuff very well.

my first cycle ever with T400 i was crippled. i could hardly walk. a 5 minute walk would take me 20-30 minutes. your body gets used to it tho. after 4 or so weeks it gets less and less until its not even noticeable.

im sorta shocked everyone says to chuck it out. i thought we all went through this pain period? anyway my advice is to stick it out, the pain will eventually go away.

[pblade]

I'm thinking I will end up purchasing a different vial soon, but I don't want to waste my money so I have no choice but to run this for a few weeks.

is it fine to mix different brands of test e? i suppose it wouldn't be an issue?

I'm actually afraid to do my next injection because I never knew how much I appreciate walking, I missed some events today because I couldn't use my legs very efficiently.

[kloan]

250 is fairly concentrated. HG is usually only 50-100 from what iv seen. higher concentration of hormone=more pain.

it could also be that your body isnt used to the carrier. is it EO? because alot of people dont tolerate that stuff very well.

my first cycle ever with T400 i was crippled. i could hardly walk. a 5 minute walk would take me 20-30 minutes. your body gets used to it tho. after 4 or so weeks it gets less and less until its not even noticeable.

im sorta shocked everyone says to chuck it out. i thought we all went through this pain period? anyway my advice is to stick it out, the pain will eventually go away.
umm... 250 isn't concentrated, that's a typical dose. plenty of HG test is 250mg/ml. everything i have right now has been painless, while one of them being a 200/200 blend. it's all how it's made.. some people are morons and **** up the simplest of recipes.

t400 is something else altogether... i've rarely seen someone say that didn't hurt. EO is another possibility since so many are sensitive to it.. i've personally never tried EO-based gear because i don't know one way or the other.. knowing my luck, it'd probably hurt like hell.

I'm thinking I will end up purchasing a different vial soon, but I don't want to waste my money so I have no choice but to run this for a few weeks.

is it fine to mix different brands of test e? i suppose it wouldn't be an issue?

I'm actually afraid to do my next injection because I never knew how much I appreciate walking, I missed some events today because I couldn't use my legs very efficiently.

it's fine to mix...

[pseclint]

take it to the guy u bought it from, your chemist sucks

[pseclint]

more than likely though with a nub thread like this your poking sucks

[L3]

the bayer HG enanthate i used in MX hurt like a mofo...way more painful than my regular stuff...left nice lumps too.....was cool tho never used an amp before :)

[Kilburn]

umm... 250 isn't concentrated, that's a typical dose. plenty of HG test is 250mg/ml. everything i have right now has been painless, while one of them being a 200/200 blend. it's all how it's made.. some people are morons and **** up the simplest of recipes.

t400 is something else altogether... i've rarely seen someone say that didn't hurt. EO is another possibility since so many are sensitive to it.. i've personally never tried EO-based gear because i don't know one way or the other.. knowing my luck, it'd probably hurt like hell.


it's fine to mix...

could also be the BA content. i know in UG gear it's usually alot higher. i think his body just isnt used to UG gear. stick it out, the pain will go away soon. you could also try cutting it with sterile oil or with other roids. deca or EQ usually isnt too painful.

[troy_trinity]

err.... OP show a pic of the area. It could be an infection. Is it blotchy red and kind of scattered?

1- you bake the test at 225 degrees farenheit for 20 mins.
2- you filter it into a sterile vial.

if this doesn't work throw it out.

[pblade]

It's not red though 3 days after i'm still crippled fro
this UG gear. I dunno if I should take another inject. How exactly do I bake it? What is the process and benefit of baking it?

[rickyboy36]

It's not red though 3 days after i'm still crippled fro
this UG gear. I dunno if I should take another inject. How exactly do I bake it? What is the process and benefit of baking it?

Ok look..it isnt that hard.First off,the idea of baking it is too make the surplus of BA evaporate so that the total % of BA is lower.The theory here is that your BA% is too high now..and high BA% HURTS!!

Put your vial on a cookie tray and stick a needle(unscrew one from one of your syrigues) into your vial.This serves as a vent.You have to do this or the vial might explode from the heated pressure.Bake it for 30-45mins at 225F.No need to refilter anything.It has already been filtered.Leave it in your vial.If you want to test it after,then i say inject 1/2 the amount in two places and take it from there.If it still hurts then you will have to add oil to it.No need to order anything online,just go to your local health store and buy some grapeseed oil.It DOES NOT have to be sterile oil,but get the organic if you can.The BA in your vial will take care of any Bacteria thats in the GPS oil,which rarely has any at all.Then after,just in case,wait 2 days before injecting to give the BA the chance to destroy any bacteria that was deposited inside the vial.If you have a filter,you may want to filter the oil you put in,but you dont have to.The oil has been already been filtered by the company.

On a side not,when making your own homebrew,dont buy into having to get sterile vials and paying the extra cash for them.The unsterile vials are extremely clean and will become sterile the moment you dump your filtered gear inside.Again,its the BA(alcohol) that does the sterilizing and the filtering takes out the junk that would normaly be in the hormone itself

To see if your glute is infected,give it a few days.Ive had major inflammation that went all the way down to my knee after injecting my glute.sometimes it took 2 weeks to get it back to normal.If the liquid was injected between the muscle and fat,this is what can happen.If after a week its still extremely red and hot and is still getting bigger,then go to the hospital bro..

Goodluck!

[waderow]

Ok look..it isnt that hard.First off,the idea of baking it is too make the surplus of BA evaporate so that the total % of BA is lower.The theory here is that your BA% is too high now..and high BA% HURTS!!

Put your vial on a cookie tray and stick a needle(unscrew one from one of your syrigues) into your vial.This serves as a vent.You have to do this or the vial might explode from the heated pressure.Bake it for 30-45mins at 225F.No need to refilter anything.It has already been filtered.Leave it in your vial.If you want to test it after,then i say inject 1/2 the amount in two places and take it from there.If it still hurts then you will have to add oil to it.No need to order anything online,just go to your local health store and buy some grapeseed oil.It DOES NOT have to be sterile oil,but get the organic if you can.The BA in your vial will take care of any Bacteria thats in the GPS oil,which rarely has any at all.Then after,just in case,wait 2 days before injecting to give the BA the chance to destroy any bacteria that was deposited inside the vial.If you have a filter,you may want to filter the oil you put in,but you dont have to.The oil has been already been filtered by the company.

On a side not,when making your own homebrew,dont buy into having to get sterile vials and paying the extra cash for them.The unsterile vials are extremely clean and will become sterile the moment you dump your filtered gear inside.Again,its the BA(alcohol) that does the sterilizing and the filtering takes out the junk that would normaly be in the hormone itself

To see if your glute is infected,give it a few days.Ive had major inflammation that went all the way down to my knee after injecting my glute.sometimes it took 2 weeks to get it back to normal.If the liquid was injected between the muscle and fat,this is what can happen.If after a week its still extremely red and hot and is still getting bigger,then go to the hospital bro..

Goodluck!

bad advice bro, ignore these home brew instruction. sorry man, but telling someone to not use sterile vials and to not sterilize and only to rely on BA is not smart

[natenator]

bad advice bro, ignore these home brew instruction. sorry man, but telling someone to not use sterile vials and to not sterilize and only to rely on BA is not smart
Agreed. He talks out his ass so much it's not funny.

[tiramisu]

Ok look..it isnt that hard.First off,the idea of baking it is too make the surplus of BA evaporate so that the total % of BA is lower.The theory here is that your BA% is too high now..and high BA% HURTS!!

Put your vial on a cookie tray and stick a needle(unscrew one from one of your syrigues) into your vial.This serves as a vent.You have to do this or the vial might explode from the heated pressure.Bake it for 30-45mins at 225F.No need to refilter anything.It has already been filtered.Leave it in your vial.If you want to test it after,then i say inject 1/2 the amount in two places and take it from there.If it still hurts then you will have to add oil to it.No need to order anything online,just go to your local health store and buy some grapeseed oil.It DOES NOT have to be sterile oil,but get the organic if you can.The BA in your vial will take care of any Bacteria thats in the GPS oil,which rarely has any at all.Then after,just in case,wait 2 days before injecting to give the BA the chance to destroy any bacteria that was deposited inside the vial.If you have a filter,you may want to filter the oil you put in,but you dont have to.The oil has been already been filtered by the company.

On a side not,when making your own homebrew,dont buy into having to get sterile vials and paying the extra cash for them.The unsterile vials are extremely clean and will become sterile the moment you dump your filtered gear inside.Again,its the BA(alcohol) that does the sterilizing and the filtering takes out the junk that would normaly be in the hormone itself

To see if your glute is infected,give it a few days.Ive had major inflammation that went all the way down to my knee after injecting my glute.sometimes it took 2 weeks to get it back to normal.If the liquid was injected between the muscle and fat,this is what can happen.If after a week its still extremely red and hot and is still getting bigger,then go to the hospital bro..

Goodluck!


HORRIBLE ADVICE BE VERY AFRAID RUN AWAY

So let's be clear. Baking will NOT evaporate the BA out of the solution. Once the BA is in solution it is pretty unremovable.
This "theory" is simply incorrect.

BA does not make things sterile again this is completely and utterly WRONG WRONG WRONG. Bacteriostatic means that it reduces new growth of new bacteria. BA does not STERILIZE
UNSTERILIZED UNSEALED VIALS ARE NOT STERILE holy shit wad **** stupid

The only possible justification for baking is as part of a sterilization process and is mostly unnecessary if you are making your own and using .2 micron filters and lab sterilized sealed vials. If you were super obscenely crazy anal the filter/then bake process is the way to go as 1) you remove all possible bacteria 2) you kill any remaining bacteria 3) the BA is bacteriostatic so if any bacteria is then introduced it will not grow explosively.

IT IS the .2 Micron filter that DOES THE STERILIZING almost all bacteria are removed through the filtering process as bacteria are almost all larger than .2 micron

I'm a step 1 and 3 guy at the moment, as I mix my own and use lab sealed vials.

[rickyboy36]

HORRIBLE ADVICE BE VERY AFRAID RUN AWAY

So let's be clear. Baking will NOT evaporate the BA out of the solution. Once the BA is in solution it is pretty unremovable.
This "theory" is simply incorrect.

BA does not make things sterile again this is completely and utterly WRONG WRONG WRONG. Bacteriostatic means that it reduces new growth of bacteris. BA does not STERILIZE
UNSTERILIZED UNSEALED VIALS ARE NOT STERILE holy shit wad **** stupid

The only possible justification for baking is as part of a sterilization process and is mostly unnecessary if you are making your own and using .2 micron filters and lab sterilized sealed vials. If you were super obscenely crazy anal the filter/then bake process is the way to go as 1) you remove all possible bacteria 2) you kill any remaining bacteria 3) the BA is bacteriostatic so if any bacteria is then introduced it will not grow explosively.

IT IS the .2 Micron filter that DOES THE STERILIZING almost all bacteria are removed through the filtering process as bacteria are almost all larger than .2 micron

I'm a step 1 and 3 guy at the moment, as I mix my own and use lab sealed vials.

...Use a sterile vial bro if you want to be safer..use steril oil too if you want.Make sure everything is sterile and you'llbe 100% sure!

And by the way,i never said to use unsealed vials..you use sealed vials all the time.Just saying

[natenator]

Wow wow and wow again!!Ok bro..ill clear this up for you.First off keep your ""****ing stupid wad" comments to yourself.A filter DOES NOT DOES NOT DOES NOT strerilize!!It REMOVES particles that are bigger than the filter.The ba DOES DOES DOES sterilize(or render useless) whatever the **** you want to clean.Just like when you take your alcohol swab and pass it over the rubber part of the vial.I agree,the BA stops other growth from happening,and neutralizes what ever is in there.The point is,he will not get infected.

And yes my dear friend,you do not have to use sterilized vials to put your gear inside.You could if you want,but you dont have to.Like i said,the Ba will render everything useless once it comes in contact with it.Ive been doing this for 3 yrs dear sir,and have been on many home brewing forums and this is the method that is used.

So before coming in here with your stupid ****ing remarks,make sure you know what the **** you are talking about!
yeah, and you also believe cold cuts are perfectly acceptable when dieting.

Discussion over. You lose.

**** OFF

[rickyboy36]

bad advice bro, ignore these home brew instruction. sorry man, but telling someone to not use sterile vials and to not sterilize and only to rely on BA is not smart

Waderow,thanks for at least having the courtasy of being respectful with your comments.Yes,if he wants to use sterile vials he can..but the Ba renders everything useless bro.All you need to do is give it 48 hours.Just like the oil you buy from a grocery store.You agree with the fact that the oil doesnt have to be sterile right?The same reasoning goes for that too.The Ba will render whatever is in there useless.

Edit:be 100% safe..not 99% the way i do it.Use everything that is sterilzed.Bake if you want.Do what you have to to make sure everything is eliminated

[rickyboy36]

yeah, and you also believe cold cuts are perfectly acceptable when dieting.

Discussion over. You lose.

**** OFF

puahaha..funny guy you:)You truly hate it when we disagree with you eh?90% of what you know about keto is from Prae anyways,so stop taking all the ****ing credit for it asshole:).

Second,every frigging thread you come into,theres always this negative attitude.You either look for fights,or fight back with the person who disagrees with you.Do you really thing you're king shit here nate..loll.Man,life must be really frustrating for ya eh:P.Could be the roids too.As i see it,you're the loser with no life..really sorry about that..

[natenator]

puahaha..funny guy you:)You truly hate it when we disagree with you eh?90% of what you know about keto is from Prae anyways,so stop taking all the ****ing credit for it asshole:).

Second,every frigging thread you come into,theres always this negative attitude.You either look for fights,or fight back with the person who disagrees with you.Do you really thing you're king shit here nate..loll.Man,life must be really frustrating for ya eh:P.Could be the roids too.As i see it,you're the loser with no life..really sorry about that..
I ran keto 3 times before doing it the right way with Praetorian. Fouad Abiad knows what he knows because of working with the likes of Laura Binetti (I've worked with her also), Chad Nichols and now Hany Rambod.

Does that mean he shouldn't help people?

I am fine with discussion and I am perfectly fine with those of high mind (Wade, Delt King, Ritch, Tiramisu, JohnnyO etc, etc, etc, etc debating with me as that's how I learn and grow. What I am not fine with is stupid ****ing morons like you being a dip shit who couldn't find a clue with a flashlight and a pair of hands.

You know nothing. You give bad advice. You're an idiot.

Now great, I feel like Wade here going off the deep end when in reality am in a great mood! So I'll blame my rant on you being a big ****ing shit-for-brains and leave it at that.

[rickyboy36]

I ran keto 3 times before doing it the right way with Praetorian. Fouad Abiad knows what he knows because of working with the likes of Laura Binetti (I've worked with her also), Chad Nichols and now Hany Rambod.

Does that mean he shouldn't help people?

I am fine with discussion and I am perfectly fine with those of high mind (Wade, Delt King, Ritch, Tiramisu, JohnnyO etc, etc, etc, etc debating with me as that's how I learn and grow. What I am not fine with is stupid ****ing morons like you being a dip shit who couldn't find a clue with a flashlight and a pair of hands.

You know nothing. You give bad advice. You're an idiot.

Now great, I feel like Wade here going off the deep end when in reality am in a great mood! So I'll blame my rant on you being a big ****ing shit-for-brains and leave it at that.

Like i was saying..you like stirring the pot.Go read every post you have ever made.Always some negative comment that ends up with everyone fighting.Admit it--you love the action.:)Your life is so godamn boring bro that this is what actually makes you happy.I dont know how many times musclephreak had to close a thread Cause of you.In essence what im tryin to say is act your age,stop stirring the pot and stop taking credit for shit you had no idea about before.:)

Have a nice day:)

[natenator]

Like i was saying..you like stirring the pot.Go read every post you have ever made.Always some negative comment that ends up with everyone fighting.Admit it--you love the action.:)Your life is so godamn boring bro that this is what actually makes you happy.I dont know how many times musclephreak had to close a thread Cause of you.In essence what im tryin to say is act your age,stop stirring the pot and stop taking credit for shit you had no idea about before.:)

Have a nice day:)

Never claimed anything as my own you dumb ****.


I am no pro and I do not do this for a living. I simply enjoy helping people (contrary to what many of you think) and hearing how happy and stroked L3 is on how he looks right now is what makes me smile. My experience comes from my own practical experience and that of working with others like Laura Binetti, Fouad and recently Praetorian and if I can help people from what I have learned then I'm happy to help.

I'd wish you a nice day too but really I could care less if you actually dropped dead so I'd just be lying if I did wish you a nice day.

[rickyboy36]

Never claimed anything as my own you dumb ****.



I'd wish you a nice day too but really I could care less if you actually dropped dead so I'd just be lying if I did wish you a nice day.

I love you too:)

Sorry pblade about your thread.I advise you that anytime you see the name "nate" in any thread that chances of it ending nicely are not in our favor.Thats just the way it is with him.Ask any guy here.They all know him and will agree.He just very neagtive about everything.I feel sorry for him actually...i really really do

[tiramisu]

The following is not opinion or bro science:

The current medical standard for sterile filtration is .2 microns. In this case, sterile is defined as having filtered out all bacteria. Dead bacteria pieces and virii may still flow through the filter. There was an older standard for sterile filtration .45 micron but it didn't filter out a specific group of small bacteria so the standard was raised.

The addition of BA @ .9% commonly used by pharmaceutical companies creates a Bacterio-static solution. This means that the bacteria will not multiply uncontrollably in this solution. Hence BACTERIA-STATIC. It does not create a sterile environment but it definitely keeps things from getting worse than they began.

The addition of a heat process could potentially actively kill bacteria in solution. The reason I say potentially is that it will depend on the temperature and duration. The problem with a heat only approach is the the dead bacteria carcasses will still exist in the solution being injected. While dead bacteria is generally a heck of a lot better than live bacteria the body's anti-immune system can recognize this as a strange foreign body and can result in allergic type and autoimmune reactions.

If I were not using lab sterilized sealed vials and crimping my own, I would both filter and heat but it's far simpler for me to use lab sterilized vials for personal use. The only good reason I can see for crimping is if you are a ugl. If you are making up a big batch of test for your own use 50 and 100 ml sealed jugs work just fine.

Now there are heroin junkies out there that inject intravenously from a dirty spoon and manage not to kill themselves but it's not a practice to be recommended.

[rickyboy36]

The following is not opinion or bro science:

The current medical standard for sterile filtration is .2 microns. In this case, sterile is defined as having filtered out all bacteria. Dead bacteria pieces and virii may still flow through the filter. There was an older standard for sterile filtration .45 micron but it didn't filter out a specific group of small bacteria so the standard was raised.

The addition of BA @ .9% commonly used by pharmaceutical companies creates a Bacterio-static solution. This means that the bacteria will not multiply uncontrollably in this solution. Hence BACTERIA-STATIC. It does not create a sterile environment but it definitely keeps things from getting worse than they began.

The addition of a heat process could potentially actively kill bacteria in solution. The reason I say potentially is that it will depend on the temperature and duration. The problem with a heat only approach is the the dead bacteria carcasses will still exist in the solution being injected. While dead bacteria is generally a heck of a lot better than live bacteria the body's anti-immune system can recognize this as a strange foreign body and can result in allergic type and autoimmune reactions.

If I were not using lab sterilized sealed vials and crimping my own, I would both filter and heat but it's far simpler for me to use lab sterilized vials for personal use. The only good reason I can see for crimping is if you are a ugl. If you are making up a big batch of test for your own use 50 and 100 ml sealed jugs work just fine.

Now there are heroin junkies out there that inject intravenously from a dirty spoon and manage not to kill themselves but it's not a practice to be recommended.


Ok,much better:).Thank-you for sharing that.Yes,my methods are old school but they work.I have never had an infection in 3 yrs,nor have i heard any other people who use this method have any as well.Yes,better methods have evolved;like the use of a .22 micron filter.I still use a.45 however.Much easier to filter,easier flow.As for the non sterile "sealed" vials i have,i do heat them before.Ill stick like 50 in the stove and Voila..they're done.Plus with the BA,it pretty much assures everything is rendered useless(bacteria).

I just realized i did not mention that i baked my vials when home brewing and can understand the concern you guys had for the guy who posted this.Sorry,that was my fault.

Even though my method of home brewing is not 100% safe,i think its safe enough to do.Are there safer ways yes.The safest way would be to use HUMAN GRADE..and ditch the powders and UG sources all together.I mean do we really know whats in those CHINESE powders...But we dont ditch them cause we are ready to take that small calculated risk that nothing will happen in order to save us money.This pretty much goes for a lot of things we do here.Hardly anyone here goes for bloodwork;to me that would probably be the most important thing of all.But people dont,cause statisticaly speaking the risks are low something will happen.People would rather be careful and save money instead

[nitrous]

The following is not opinion or bro science:

The current medical standard for sterile filtration is .2 microns. In this case, sterile is defined as having filtered out all bacteria. Dead bacteria pieces and virii may still flow through the filter. There was an older standard for sterile filtration .45 micron but it didn't filter out a specific group of small bacteria so the standard was raised.

The addition of BA @ .9% commonly used by pharmaceutical companies creates a Bacterio-static solution. This means that the bacteria will not multiply uncontrollably in this solution. Hence BACTERIA-STATIC. It does not create a sterile environment but it definitely keeps things from getting worse than they began.

The addition of a heat process could potentially actively kill bacteria in solution. The reason I say potentially is that it will depend on the temperature and duration. The problem with a heat only approach is the the dead bacteria carcasses will still exist in the solution being injected. While dead bacteria is generally a heck of a lot better than live bacteria the body's anti-immune system can recognize this as a strange foreign body and can result in allergic type and autoimmune reactions.

If I were not using lab sterilized sealed vials and crimping my own, I would both filter and heat but it's far simpler for me to use lab sterilized vials for personal use. The only good reason I can see for crimping is if you are a ugl. If you are making up a big batch of test for your own use 50 and 100 ml sealed jugs work just fine.

Now there are heroin junkies out there that inject intravenously from a dirty spoon and manage not to kill themselves but it's not a practice to be recommended.

great info.. and amusing thread

[Kilburn]

jesus crist. just man up and inject it. iv been through this sht, your body gets used to it and the pain goes away. and yes swelling is to be expected, it does NOT mean it's infected. i swaer some of these guys are just trying to scare you. one shot i did in my quad it swelled up so much it was nuts but it goes away after 5-7 days.

if you really cant take the pain just cut with sterile oil. or if you have any painless human grade, just cut it with that 50/50. i guarantee problem solved if you do that.

[pblade]

The bottle shows the list of products used, what do u guys think looks normal for a painless product?

Testosterone enanthate 250mg
benzyl benzonate 20%, benzyl alcohol 2%, grapeseed oil (no amount)

[tiramisu]

The bottle shows the list of products used, what do u guys think looks normal for a painless product?

Testosterone enanthate 250mg
benzyl benzonate 20%, benzyl alcohol 2%, grapeseed oil (no amount)

Oddly there is no need for the benzyl benzoate in a 250 mg/ml solution of testosterone enanthate. Test E will dissolve in oil without the additional BB. The 2% BA is pretty much the ugl standard for bacteria. Why the tendency to double the pharmaceutical standard is used I don't really know. The 2% BA is not uncomfortable. the 20% BB could cause some irritation and I have no idea why they put it in there.

[Beachmuscle]

Damn, if I home brewed I would filter everything. Including the grapeseed oil your going to cut it with. The BA may "kill" any bacteria (debatable according to studies), but what about any fine particulate matter, dust, or any other random particles that may end up injected into your muscle causing irratation or infection? Just a thought.

Would be damn gross to inject a microscopic fly egg or some other sick thing into you that may have ended up in your grapeseed oil along the way. :)