uggghhh other forums

[TryGear]

Ok, so I ventured to some other AAS forums for some answers, WASTE OF TIME.
if someone has some educated answers please reply to this tread.

1. if all the exogenous test has left your body from a cycle will you T/E ratio be back to normal?

2. if using insulin alone " just for argument sake". is it detectable? for how long? and will it screw up a t/e ratio?

Thanks Cananda

[Ritch]

I don`t have the answer to your question but one more post and you get an upgrade to "twirp" I think

But don`t think insulin will mess up your T/E levels. I have no proof of this, but I`m pretty sure olympic athletes use slin up to the date of their competitons and still pass the drug tests. So I doubt it`s detectable.

[dremen]

Ok, so I ventured to some other AAS forums for some answers, WASTE OF TIME.
if someone has some educated answers please reply to this tread.

1. if all the exogenous test has left your body from a cycle will you T/E ratio be back to normal?

2. if using insulin alone " just for argument sake". is it detectable? for how long? and will it screw up a t/e ratio?

Thanks Cananda

1. No

2. No

[TryGear]

thanks, now can you explain why the t/e ratio wouldn't be back to normal if all the extra test has left your body. since the only test left would be whatever was produced naturally?

[Ritch]

Why do you say the t/e wouldn`t be back to normal? Who knows? I think a blood test or doping test would be needed to tell. I`m sure somebody with more know how could explain this better. It`s tough to say as not everybody`s body`s normalize themselves at the same rate.

[vakker]

thanks, now can you explain why the t/e ratio wouldn't be back to normal if all the extra test has left your body. since the only test left would be whatever was produced naturally?

because you didn't define the time period.

10 minutes after your body isnt producing shitall test, so the ratio is whacked still.

1 year later the body is, so the ratio could be back.

[TryGear]

see that's what I like....started this thread less than 2 hrs ago, .
OK, here goes.
t400- stopped 5.5 months ago
test Prop stopped 4.5 months ago
2 weeks of left over M1T, stopped. 3 month ago.

would a t/e ratio be back to normal or at least under 4:1

[Ritch]

My magic 8 ball says "Most likely"

[TryGear]

lol lets hope your right Ritch, but I'm still wannabe not twirp.....lol

[Ritch]

lol lets hope your right Ritch, but I'm still wannabe not twirp.....lol

Hmm, maybe the system has changed since I first joined. But like I said, don`t take my word on this one, and you know how those magic 8 balls can give inacurate info at times...

[rickyboy36]

see that's what I like....started this thread less than 2 hrs ago, .
OK, here goes.
t400- stopped 5.5 months ago
test Prop stopped 4.5 months ago
2 weeks of left over M1T, stopped. 3 month ago.

would a t/e ratio be back to normal or at least under 4:1

First off..did you do PCT?Second..has your sex drive come back to normal.Are your "balls" back to normal size.Have you had any emotional roller coaster rides since you stopped.These would indeed give you some sort of reference point which may help you answer your question.

[TryGear]

if I get a blood work done at a family doc's office would that show a t/e ratio or just free test? I imagine if free test is in a normal range then the t/e would be normal anyway.?

[TryGear]

First off..did you do PCT?Second..has your sex drive come back to normal.Are your "balls" back to normal size.Have you had any emotional roller coaster rides since you stopped.These would indeed give you some sort of reference point which may help you answer your question.


lol yeah the emotional roller coaster is over and I got normal size balls "bigger than I remember lol". and yes I did PCT with HCG/Clomid/Nolva

[dremen]

see that's what I like....started this thread less than 2 hrs ago, .
OK, here goes.
t400- stopped 5.5 months ago
test Prop stopped 4.5 months ago
2 weeks of left over M1T, stopped. 3 month ago.

would a t/e ratio be back to normal or at least under 4:1

Oh ok well if your nuts are back to normal-ISH size and you've been clean for at least 3 months then yes bro your levels should be perfectly normal.

Why are you asking this anyways bro?

[vakker]

Oh ok well if your nuts are back to normal-ISH size and you've been clean for at least 3 months then yes bro your levels should be perfectly normal.

Why are you asking this anyways bro?

I think he should ask someone who knows something, rather than you, but I'm sure he values your input as much as a he would a retarded 6 year old.

[Big D]

no point on doing this guessing game, just go to your doc and get some blood work done.

[liquidfire]

T/E ratio is not the only thing that makes steroids detectable. Here is a good chart for detection times: http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

[dremen]

I think he should ask someone who knows something, rather than you, but I'm sure he values your input as much as a he would a retarded 6 year old.

Shut the **** up bro. All u do is yap yap yap...how much first hand experience do you really have tough guy?

[TryGear]

T/E ratio is not the only thing that makes steroids detectable. Here is a good chart for detection times: http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

Thanks, I've seen that same chart on many different sites, according to that I'm very much clean, the T/E ratio is the initial test of most atheletic programs, if that is above 4:1 then they test for AAS metabolites.

that being said, there is alot less info on T/E ratios than AAS detections times....from what I've been researching, So I'm trying to get a better grasp on T/E.

from what I conclude so far is that if there is no exogenous test in your body, then the ratio would have to be your own natural test against your your own natural Epitest. so being free of extra test should mean a ratio of normal proportions.

Normal is 1:1, but 4:1 is accepted by the IOC, before they test forAAS "it's cheaper to just test T/E ratio"
and from what I've read only .1% of men have a ratio higher than 4:1

what I'm not sure of, is how quick ones ratio returns to normal after a cycle?

[vakker]

Shut the **** up bro. All u do is yap yap yap...how much first hand experience do you really have tough guy?

how much do you? how much do you that you feel you need to give advice to people that want something other than your imaginary world of made up science? how about that, pussy.

[TryGear]

uh.......so do you two at least agree that my T/E would be close to normal?????

[cog]

Believe they would be looking normal.

[TryGear]

thanks cog

[dremen]

how much do you? how much do you that you feel you need to give advice to people that want something other than your imaginary world of made up science? how about that, pussy.

Ha ha whatever kid.

[steve_o]

Are you thinking of doing a show and do not want your levels to be above the acceptable levels? You t/e ratio should be back within their normal ranges if you are fine sexually, and your PCT was correct. If you feel fine then most likely you are.

[TryGear]

Great thanks guys. And no I'm not a BB.

[JifeLacket]

You'll be fine for slin, and your T/E will be fine. As long as you have NO exogenous test your ratio should be fine, unless your ratio is naturally off, in which case you will be fine as well because you won't have exogenous test in you.

Epitest is produced 1:1 with natty test (unless you are an exception which is possible), so even if your off cycle and your test is low(er) then your epitest will be lower as well.

[TryGear]

just to add to my post count and for further discussion:

do blood tests detect metabolites longer that urine? how much longer.

2nd all the detection lists on all the sites are the same, is this a current list or have detections become better and the lists are now out of date?

[BDH]

Can you give us a clue as to what you're being tested for? Work? Competition of some kind? Not that it matters, but we're all wondering...

[JifeLacket]

just to add to my post count and for further discussion:

do blood tests detect metabolites longer that urine? how much longer.

2nd all the detection lists on all the sites are the same, is this a current list or have detections become better and the lists are now out of date?

Blood tests will show metabolites longer as they are more accurate. Getting blood tested for doping is rare unless at world championships and really high end events. Even then testers will only take a few random blood tests and the rest urine.

Detection is indeed becoming more sensitive. Being an elite athlete will in general allow things to clear the body quicker because of metabolism, fat oxidation general leanness etc.

Stick to orals, they mess with your t/e ratio's less with little suppression of endo test if done properly.

ALSO, a bit thing guys miss is that they test for PCT products.. What the half life of nolva? 7-14 days or something, it lingers around for a LONG time... SERMS are easily tested for and they can nail you for that! This is why you have to stick to low dose orals so there is no need for PCT because it isn't viable.

[gregdoucette]

Ur T/E ratio would be good by now for sure. thats assuming ur not using any other iffy over the counter products.

[Praetorian]

Ok, so I ventured to some other AAS forums for some answers, WASTE OF TIME.
if someone has some educated answers please reply to this tread.

1. if all the exogenous test has left your body from a cycle will you T/E ratio be back to normal? NO, YOUR T/E RATIO WILL TAKE TIME TO NORMALIZE...MEASURED TEST LEVELS MAY BE HIGH AND EPITEST WOULD BE NORMAL SO THE RATIO IS OFF...YOU WOULD NEED SMALL AMOUNTS OF A FAST ACTING TEST AND A SMALL AMOUNT OF EPITEST TO FALSIFY THE RATIO...THIS HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST BUT IS UNRELIABLE. OR USE TEST IN THE OFFSEASON AND NORMALIZE WITH PCT AND MAKE SURE ALL IS GOOD BEFORE COMPETITION

2. if using insulin alone " just for argument sake". is it detectable? for how long? and will it screw up a t/e ratio? NO..INSULIN IS PULSATILE SO EVERYTIME YOU EAT YOU WOULD SEE INSULIN BEING RELEASED...THE PULSES ARE TOO QUCIK AND DONT REMAIN IN THE BLOOD FOR LONG...IT DOESNT EFFECT T/E RATIOS EITHER

Thanks Cananda

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[TryGear]

Lol ok lots of good answers here. Had test levels checked about two weeks ago....bottom end of normal range.
5.5 months clean from all injectables "test blends only" and 16 weeksclean from orals. Should be gtg