Can you please critique this cycle

[milo0071]

I'm currently on HRT @ 250 mg Test Cyp per week, but I've been reading about Anavar and I thought I'd try adding it to my cycle. My new cycle would look like this for 10 weeks:

Week 1-10: 400 mg Test Cyp per week
Week 1-10: 300 mg Deca
Week 1-10: 25 mg Proviron (daily) ... Is Proviron still necessary?
Week 1-10: Adex (0.25 mg EOD)
Week 1-10: Dostinex (0.25 mg E3D) ...May use it
Week 5-10: Anavar 40 mg ED

1. No dbol kick-start since I'm always on Test for HRT. Also, no PCT since I just go back to Test Cyp HRT.
2. Dostinex is there should I need it, but last cycle I never needed to for so small a dosage of deca.
3. Everything I've read says it's best to end the cycle on Anavar.

[theboss]

whats your experience?...anything other than your HRT?

i woudl probably stick with the Test & Deca..only use Adex & Dost if you need it...never trived proviron but hear good things.
I would use Dbol regardless over Var...about 4 weeks in when your increased Test dose & Deca are kicking in.

[Praetorian]

whats your experience?...anything other than your HRT?

i woudl probably stick with the Test & Deca..only use Adex & Dost if you need it...never trived proviron but hear good things.
I would use Dbol regardless over Var...about 4 weeks in when your increased Test dose & Deca are kicking in.

Ditto...except throw out the proviron its redundant with the adex and is a far inferior product anyway.
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[Ritch]

So Prae, I take it you`re not part of the crowd who believes that proviron makes your test stronger, or hardens you up?

[Praetorian]

So Prae, I take it you`re not part of the crowd who believes that proviron makes your test stronger, or hardens you up?

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[milo0071]

Experience: I've been on HRT for about 1.5 years and have done a couple of cycles with just the Test and Deca and a 50mg dbol kickstart for 4 wks. I find the Proviron makes me leaner with an elevated libido. Adex can't do all that. Since Var at the end of the cycle was for cutting, I thought the Proviron would be redundant although I don't want to give up the Libido increase.

[Ritch]

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[Praetorian]

Experience: I've been on HRT for about 1.5 years and have done a couple of cycles with just the Test and Deca and a 50mg dbol kickstart for 4 wks. I find the Proviron makes me leaner with an elevated libido. Adex can't do all that. Since Var at the end of the cycle was for cutting, I thought the Proviron would be redundant although I don't want to give up the Libido increase.

Proviron doesnt make anyone leaner...it was used in the 80s as estrogen control when second and third generation AI's werent available. It did work ok for that but it doesnt come close to what is now available. It can increase libido but if you are running a cycle if test there really should be no need for that. Unless you are running into estrogen or prolactin/progesterone issues.
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[Praetorian]

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[nitrous]

if you were running var i'd run it for a longer period of time than 6 weeks and at a higher dosage than 40mg but honestly its not going to do anything.. you said you want to lean out at the end.. well then your entire cycle should be for leaning out.. if that were the case why would you go with deca.. a cycle should do one thing.. be for maintaining muscle while leaning out or to put on muscle.. pick one and dont try to do both in one cycle

[TryGear]

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[milo0071]

if you were running var i'd run it for a longer period of time than 6 weeks and at a higher dosage than 40mg but honestly its not going to do anything.. you said you want to lean out at the end.. well then your entire cycle should be for leaning out.. if that were the case why would you go with deca.. a cycle should do one thing.. be for maintaining muscle while leaning out or to put on muscle.. pick one and dont try to do both in one cycle

I want to put on muscle during the early phase of the cycle with little water retention and lean out towards the end while still keeping my gains. I can up the Var dosage (although it's pretty pricey), but if my cycle doesn't get me what I want, i.e., good hard muscle and little water retention when done, what do you suggest?

[nitrous]

I want to put on muscle during the early phase of the cycle with little water retention and lean out towards the end while still keeping my gains. I can up the Var dosage (although it's pretty pricey), but if my cycle doesn't get me what I want, i.e., good hard muscle and little water retention when done, what do you suggest?

if you want to get rid of water retention deal with the estrogen causing it with an AI like aromasin.. var isnt going to magically deal with the estrogen and fix your water retention issue..

[dremen]

I want to put on muscle during the early phase of the cycle with little water retention and lean out towards the end while still keeping my gains. I can up the Var dosage (although it's pretty pricey), but if my cycle doesn't get me what I want, i.e., good hard muscle and little water retention when done, what do you suggest?

Test/masteron/var will give you solid gains with very low water retention.

[milo0071]

Thanks guys!

[Memo]

what about doing 2 months of bulking and 2 months of cutting in same cycle?

[nitrous]

what about doing 2 months of bulking and 2 months of cutting in same cycle?

your body needs time to get use to the new muscle you have added.. thats why if you had a lot of muscle recently but lost it the muscle memory will get you to put that muscle on again recently.. the same thing goes with cutting.. if you have cut to a really low bf % recently its easy to get back there.. its because your body gets use to a certain size..

if you do a bunch of bulking and start to cut your body is just going to want to get you back to where you were.. that is with less muscle.. sure you will lose fat as well but if you were to have taken time to let your body get use to the new muscle then cut you will tend to hold onto more of the new found muscle.. how much time is good i dont know.. but i do know that going directly from bulking to cutting is not good

[milo0071]

your body needs time to get use to the new muscle you have added.. thats why if you had a lot of muscle recently but lost it the muscle memory will get you to put that muscle on again recently.. the same thing goes with cutting.. if you have cut to a really low bf % recently its easy to get back there.. its because your body gets use to a certain size..

if you do a bunch of bulking and start to cut your body is just going to want to get you back to where you were.. that is with less muscle.. sure you will lose fat as well but if you were to have taken time to let your body get use to the new muscle then cut you will tend to hold onto more of the new found muscle.. how much time is good i dont know.. but i do know that going directly from bulking to cutting is not good


So combining the test, deca and var in the last 5 weeks of the cycle is best? I can understand not doing just the var after a test-deca cycle.

[dremen]

So combining the test, deca and var in the last 5 weeks of the cycle is best? I can understand not doing just the var after a test-deca cycle.

Bro all u need to do is run a simple 8-12 week cycle....12-16 would be better IMHO, but up to you.

You could run:

1.Test alone.
2.Test with var or tbol.
3. Test with deca and aromasin/for bloat/water retention.
4. Test with masteron.

You could run so many things...lol, but why not keep it simple right:)

Honestly bro 600-750mg/week of test with some tbol and an AI for the water retention and you're laughing. Just try and hold off on the AI till you FEEL you need it. You can manage water retention on cycle by lowering your sodium intake and so forth. Other guys here will know exactly how.

[nitrous]

So combining the test, deca and var in the last 5 weeks of the cycle is best? I can understand not doing just the var after a test-deca cycle.

i just dont think you will feel the var much with the test and deca already in there unless you are taking a lot of var.. and it will not help with water retention only make it worse if anything.. yes var can cause water retention..

[nitrous]

Bro all u need to do is run a simple 8-12 week cycle....12-16 would be better IMHO, but up to you.

You could run:

1.Test alone.
2.Test with var or tbol.
3. Test with deca and aromasin/for bloat/water retention.
4. Test with masteron.

You could run so many things...lol, but why not keep it simple right:)

Honestly bro 600-750mg/week of test with some tbol and an AI for the water retention and you're laughing. Just try and hold off on the AI till you FEEL you need it. You can manage water retention on cycle by lowering your sodium intake and so forth. Other guys here will know exactly how.

i know many like it but i hate tbol lol

[dremen]

i know many like it but i hate tbol lol

Why is that bro?

Anywho like i said just keep it simple bro. Test/anavar will be more then enough IMHO. If you're only going to do a 10 week cycle you will be better of going with test-prop@100mg/ED. I myself would run the var the whole 10 weeks at no less then 50mg/ed.

If you REALLY want kick ass results go with test-prop@100mg/ed along with tren-ace@50mg/ed for the 10 weeks.

So what are you thinking so far bro? Just wondering what YOU are thinking now.

[milo0071]

Why is that bro?

Anywho like i said just keep it simple bro. Test/anavar will be more then enough IMHO. If you're only going to do a 10 week cycle you will be better of going with test-prop@100mg/ED. I myself would run the var the whole 10 weeks at no less then 50mg/ed.

If you REALLY want kick ass results go with test-prop@100mg/ed along with tren-ace@50mg/ed for the 10 weeks.

So what are you thinking so far bro? Just wondering what YOU are thinking now.

I'm going to up the Var to 50 mg. I had knee surgery last year and I'm building my legs back up and felt a test-deca combination would be pretty powerful for strenght and healing. I'm unsure about IM pinning ED or even EOD unless it's subQ. Would I want to turn myself into a pin cushion. Just my feeling.

[dremen]

I'm going to up the Var to 50 mg. I had knee surgery last year and I'm building my legs back up and felt a test-deca combination would be pretty powerful for strenght and healing. I'm unsure about IM pinning ED or even EOD unless it's subQ. Would I want to turn myself into a pin cushion. Just my feeling.

**** don't do sub q bro, stick to IM shots. And ED or EOD for a few months ain't that bad...lol trust me:)

Test/deca sounds good bro. I would use prop and npp myself.

[milo0071]

**** don't do sub q bro, stick to IM shots. And ED or EOD for a few months ain't that bad...lol trust me:)

Test/deca sounds good bro. I would use prop and npp myself.

Thanks for the advice bro. Much appreciated!

[nitrous]

Why is that bro?



tbol is used for putting on size.. it gave me a great pump but by the time the real magic should have been happening it just killed my appetite.. had to drop it cuz as soon as i would begin eating i would instantly get full.. hard to put on size when you cant eat so for me it was doing more harm than good.. at least with var i get strength and the appetite supression didnt seem as bad.. and dbol i can run at a way lower dose than tbol to get the same gains and cuz its such a low dosage i notice no appetite issues

[vakker]

tbol is used for putting on size.. it gave me a great pump but by the time the real magic should have been happening it just killed my appetite.. had to drop it cuz as soon as i would begin eating i would instantly get full.. hard to put on size when you cant eat so for me it was doing more harm than good.. at least with var i get strength and the appetite supression didnt seem as bad.. and dbol i can run at a way lower dose than tbol to get the same gains and cuz its such a low dosage i notice no appetite issues

I am the same way, tried it once, won't bother again.

[Praetorian]

For the best gains stick to two injectables....switched 8 weeks in...
1-8 test C and deca
9-16 test E and EQ
Aromasin as needed...
A very simple but very effective cycle. Orals are competely unnecessary and will kll the appetite...you cant grow if you cant eat. Injectable are much more effective mg/mg as well and longer ester test with deca or EQ will provide better gains overall then short ester test and orals.
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[milo0071]

For the best gains stick to two injectables....switched 8 weeks in...
1-8 test C and deca
9-16 test E and EQ
Aromasin as needed...
A very simple but very effective cycle. Orals are competely unnecessary and will kll the appetite...you cant grow if you cant eat. Injectable are much more effective mg/mg as well and longer ester test with deca or EQ will provide better gains overall then short ester test and orals.
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Why go from Test C to Test E since they're both long esters?
Could I run the same cycle over 10-12 weeks?