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nolix01
25-02-2010, 01:44 AM
I was wondering if anyone knows how they work?
are they all about upping the actual amount produced in your system.. or better utilizing whats there?

or are they just garbage all around?

PdH
25-02-2010, 07:19 AM
Garbage. Don't waste your money.

tiramisu
25-02-2010, 07:38 AM
hcg is natural :).

yup crap.

flex3d
25-02-2010, 09:08 AM
Their garbage. Let's say even if they did boost your testosterone by 5% or so.. it will still not cause any muscle gains. They don't do anything significant.

IrishTuner
25-02-2010, 09:58 AM
Are they garbage for a PCT??

tiramisu
25-02-2010, 10:21 AM
They are crap, crap, crap. I can't even imagine taking bullshit powders for a PCT. That they push this shit for pct is beyond irresponsible.

Aaron_37
26-02-2010, 01:27 PM
I take ZMA, which some people consider to be a testosterone booster. However, I personally don't - science over anecdotal evidence. These vitamins are as close to horny goat weed and ****ed up chemicals as I'm going to get. I encourage others to do the same!

Ritch
26-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Novedex xt by gasparie is a good test booster.

About the 6OXO. It may be comming back soon and available in bulk powder. The same with 11OXO. So you can either make your own caps or put the powder in trandermal spary bottle to make your own topical.

BAM
26-02-2010, 10:53 PM
5000mg day of Vitamin D3 would probably do more for you.

Memo
26-02-2010, 11:58 PM
Novedex xt by gasparie is a good test booster.

About the 6OXO. It may be comming back soon and available in bulk powder. The same with 11OXO. So you can either make your own caps or put the powder in trandermal spary bottle to make your own topical.

i believe 11oxo is actually a suppressive pro-steroid

Ritch
27-02-2010, 12:03 AM
i believe 11oxo is actually a suppressive pro-steroid

I don`t know much about 11oxo as the asking price was out of range for me, so I never even thought of using the product. I`m willing the price will be at least 1/3 less now. Will have to look into the whole pro steroid thing.

cog
27-02-2010, 06:38 AM
A new gf would be the best natural test booster.

Ritch
27-02-2010, 11:54 PM
This stuff looks good for a natural test booster:

Description


Worlds Most Powerful Hormonal Regulator

REVERSITOL utilizes 5 cutting edge ingredients to:

• Boost LH output
• Increase Testosterone serum levels
• Increase free Testosterone levels
• Block Aromatase / Estrogen
• Bi-level approach to inhibit Gynecomastia
• Increase Libido
• Increase DHEA levels
• Raise Sperm count/motility
• Stimulate the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal axis

Scientifically Formulated REVERSITOL – was designed with Optimal Hormone Regulation in mind. All hardcore athletes have felt the side effects of hormonal stress, resulting in declined performance, loss of muscle gains, and weakened intensity. By controlling the production and levels of



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Testosterone, Estrogen and LH, an athlete will ensure PEAK Performance. REVERSITOL promotes the optimal Hormone Regulation for applying Maximum FORCE!

Testosterone and Luteinizing Hormone are both directly responsible for muscular growth as well as intense strength gains. You want both Testosterone and LH levels as high as possible to guarantee maximum growth, and continued results. REVERSITOL’s unique blend of ingredients promotes the atmosphere in your body for optimal stimulation and production of TESTOSTERONE while ensuring the FREE TEST levels are pushed to the MAX!

Estrogen can have unwanted side effects such as fat gain, acne, loss of muscle, breast tissue growth, and even anxiety. These are the effects of having the wrong levels of Estrogen in your body. By reducing the negative impact of estrone metabolites (bas Estrogen) while preserving the benefits of estradiol and the ‘good’ 2-hydroxyestrone, it is possible to capitalize on the many positives that Estrogen has to offer. REVERSITOL’s synchronized pathways of estrogen control not only eradicate the bad estrogen but also regulate the production and conversion of the good Estrogens. Get the best of both worlds!

How is REVERSITOL used?
REVERSITOL will work for all men to assist in Hormonal Regulation. As males age a steady decline in key hormones causes them to lose a large percentage of lean body mass, have a much weaker libido, and possibly experience emotional distress. REVERSITOL promotes the atmosphere in a male’s body to produce optimal gains both in the Gym and the Bedroom!

Stand Alone Cycle:
By regulating and optimizing the levels and production of key hormones in males, the body is able to ignite passion and vitality. Testosterone is the key Hormone for males. It is directly responsible for muscle growth and overall strength. On the other hand, Estrogen is still necessary for muscle gains in the gym because it has a direct effect on strength and joint mobility. By inhibiting the build up of Bad Estrogen and regulating the amounts of Good Estrogen, REVERSITOL promotes the healthy unadulterated male physique!

Post Cycle Therapy:
After bodybuilders come off any hormonal product (prohormones or steroids) they suffer from extremely low LH (Luteinizing hormone), low or zero levels of Testosterone, high levels of Estrogen in relation to Testosterone, high levels of the stress hormone Cortisol, and low levels of RBC (Red Blood Cell count) in almost all cases. Too much estrogen post cycle can lead to many unwanted side effects like water retention, fat gain, and breast tissue growth. This is the exact opposite of what one needs in order to build or even maintain muscle mass, the less time in this catabolic state the better!

REVERSITOL is designed to be your all in one, complete Post Cycle Therapy product. REVERSITOL addresses all aspects necessary to reverse the negative sides effects usually found when completing a Cycle. Through our patent pending S.E.R.M. Matrix, iFORCE is able to raise Testosterone and Luteinizing Hormone, while jumpstarting the HPTA axis. The Estrogen Modulation Matrix (patent pending) focuses on inhibiting the build up of bad Estrogen while regulating levels of the Good Estrogen.

PCT REVERSITOL consumers experience:

• Strength gains while cycled off prohormones or steroids
• Jump in libido
• Increase in lean muscle mass
• Increased energy and quicker recovery

6-Bromoandrostenedione:
Extremely effective AI (Aromatase-inhibitor) for safely controlling the amount of estrogen your body produces while indirectly increasing testosterone levels. 6-Bromoandrosenedione works by reducing Estrogen levels,which help to indirectly raise Testosterone levels due to what is called the negative-feedback-loop. 6-Bromolandrostenedione, unlike most AI’s has no negative impact on sexual health.

ATD 1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-Dione:
An extremely effective AI (Aromatase-inhibitor), ATD eliminates the production of estrogen in the body. This effect is felt quickly (with in 8 days) by a concomitant increase in testosterone production and overall feeling of well-being. ATD makes an excellent PCT to a heavy prohormones or synthetic cycles by minimizing estrogenic side effects. ATD raises endogenous levels of testosterone by controlling the Aromatase enzyme.

Trans-Resveratrol:
Trans Resveratrol is found in the skin of red grapes and is a constituent of red wine. Similar to Nolvadex, Trans Resveratrol works at the receptor level to block estrogen receptors. This means you will be eradicating estrogen while boosting the natural production of Testosterone. The key to Trans Resveratrol is its capability of modulating estrogenic receptors as well as controlling Aromatase. No other compound provides that One Two Punch against Estrogen.

Indole-3-Carbinole:
A naturally occurring phytochemical found in vegetables such as broccoli and cabbage. Indole 3 Carbinol has the powerful effect of modulating estrogen metabolism. Estrogen metabolism is key to the progressive effect of relevant hormones. In general there are two metabolites that can be classed as “bad” which are known as estrone metabolites. There are also Good Estrogens, consisting of estradiol and 2-hydroxyestrone. Consumption of I3C has been shown on several occasions to increase Good Estrogens while effectively decreasing Bad Estrogen. This provides the atmosphere for strength building.

Eurycoma Long folia Tongkat Ali:
Long jack is an herb that not only stimulates the production of endogenous testosterone, but also works to ensure that the raised levels of Testosterone are usable. There are two forms of Testosterone in the body - Bound and Free. Bound testosterone is useless in muscle growth. Free Testosterone is the JACK POT!! Free testosterone drives sexual stimulation as well as muscle building. Long Jack is believed to achieve this feat through the Luteinizing Hormone (LH) pathway. Athletes which consume Long jack commonly report increased feelings of well-being, improved mental focus, and improved immune system function.



Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving

Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) - 124mg
6-Bromoandrostenedione
6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione
Indole-3-Carbinol (L3C)

S.E.R.M. Matrix - 500mg
Trans-Resveratrol
Eurycoma Longifolia

Other Ingredients
Rice Flour, Magnesium Stearate.



Directions

Usage for promoting Hormonal Regulation: Take 1 to 3 capsules at night with last meal. For best results, use for 4 to 8 weeks. Do not exceed 8 weeks of continuous use.

Post Cycle Therapy Usage:
Week 1: 1 cap am, 2 caps pm
Week 2: 1 cap am, 1 cap pm
Week 3: 1 cap am, 1 cap pm
Week 4: 1 cap pm.

bigtavi8
27-02-2010, 11:59 PM
Ive spent thousands of dollars on those pixie dust test boosters and now im kicking myself in the ass. I truly ****ed up. If i would have spent that money on chicken breast when i was younger i would have gained so much mass. Live and learn i geuss.

Ritch
28-02-2010, 12:03 AM
Ive spent thousands of dollars on those pixie dust test boosters and now im kicking myself in the ass. I truly ****ed up. If i would have spent that money on chicken breast when i was younger i would have gained so much mass. Live and learn i geuss.

Hold on a minute... It has atd, that shit works. Ever tried it? bromo is very well reviewed on many forums as well. Plus it has trans-reversitol, that`s acutally healthy for you. I wouldn`t count this product out.

bigtavi8
28-02-2010, 12:12 AM
Hold on a minute... It has atd, that shit works. Ever tried it? bromo is very well reviewed on many forums as well. Plus it has trans-reversitol, that`s acutally healthy for you. I wouldn`t count this product out.

NO NO sorry Ritch that product sounds excellent im refering to other products like novedex xt, 6OXO, other shitty test booster.

Judging by your in depth research that is a good product you were talking about. But if you were strapped for cash and i put a hypothetical Gun to your head with my hand on the trigger and sed: X test booster VS 6kg of Chicken breast. what do you think...hahahaha i had to use the gun situation becuase i just watched that movie couples retreat with vince vaughn and laughed like crazy.

Ritch
28-02-2010, 12:19 AM
I`d take the chicken over the test booster, yes...

I can understand how you can be hesitant to try test boosters since you`ve been burned repeatedly. So have I... But since I don`t think you`ve tried novedex ( and yes I ****ing hate that name, and took me a long time to try it because of it ) I can vouch for the strength increase of it. To be honest I wasen`t even using it for that. It was to control estrogen, as like a dumb **** I was at the time didn`t have everything needed before my cycle and scrounged to find something that could end the tingling in my left nipple.

Prae here is a fan of 6oxo ( I`m 99% sure I`ve read that ) I mean, he dosen`t bullshit about stuff like that. Just saying, times have changed and things work better than before.

By the time summer is over I will have some feedback on a few other products as well and can hopefully convince some of you guys to give these products another shot.

Ritch
28-02-2010, 11:49 AM
Had it/tried it. as well as every other "test" booster on the on the counter market and none of them do a damn thing. *Especially this product: "reversitol". I and so many others would have just benefited from spending the money on food. Proper diet/research/hard work and sleep is the best thing you can ever do.. with this, your limits are almost endless..

Interesting to hear your feedback. In what scenerio did you use that product? Were you in pct, between cycles? How many caps a day did you take?

But one thing that should be cleared and I`m saying this as I`m not sure how you run gear. I mean if you`re a guy who does big cycles and is used to the jacked feeling of gear, then no, I`m not expecting rave reviews from that type of user. Make sense?

Ritch
28-02-2010, 12:11 PM
Well it`s good to hear that kind of feedback, but since I liked atd, and this product has it with other "stuff" in it, I haven`t, but am interested in trying, I may still give it a try. Any other recent test boosters you`ve tried that didn`t work? Have you tried topical formestane?

Aaron_37
28-02-2010, 12:43 PM
^Well that's the point I'm trying to get at.. I stopped wasting my money on all that bullshit about a year ago. It's pointless, plain and simple.

Same here... it's the very same reason I started buying pure bulk ingredients instead of marked-up nonsense.

IrishTuner
06-03-2010, 12:20 PM
^Well that's the point I'm trying to get at.. I stopped wasting my money on all that bullshit about a year ago. It's pointless, plain and simple.


Have you seen a loss in muscle mass at all from not taking any supps? I've never used either and have always thought I better take all these supplements to get/maintain a bit of size Until a week ago. I decided to take out all supps, except for vitamins. I've replaced protein powders with straight food, it's been a week. I'd like to hear from someone thats been doing this a lot longer.

BAM
06-03-2010, 12:47 PM
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MikeyFXD35
10-03-2010, 09:52 PM
I have low test levels and have tried test boosters and my test level was still low. The only test booster that works is the script for test.

Bojangles31
10-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Have you seen a loss in muscle mass at all from not taking any supps? I've never used either and have always thought I better take all these supplements to get/maintain a bit of size Until a week ago. I decided to take out all supps, except for vitamins. I've replaced protein powders with straight food, it's been a week. I'd like to hear from someone thats been doing this a lot longer.

I have been off of all sups for a while now. towards the end of my bulking the only thing i was left using was MCT oil and protein. Now that i am cutting i am just using the MCTs. I tried all kinds of test boosters before and they were all garbage. I was told by my coaches "If you dont think it's working it probably isn't. As far as loosing mass or size, i never lost anything.

BB12
10-03-2010, 11:00 PM
^Well that's the point I'm trying to get at.. I stopped wasting my money on all that bullshit about a year ago. It's pointless, plain and simple.


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