Training advice?

[O-Train]

Why does it seem like a lot of people will be more than willing to take diet advice. Yet when it comes to training they think they know what they're doing? This goes for people in the gym, online...everywhere. Is it just me noticing this? Why does everyone know what they're doing yet they all suck at lifting? Where is the disconnect?

If you're reading this thinking yeah man I totally agree...I'm probably talking about you too. It's just a different level of bad lifting. Cause man when I was 15...shit I knew everything. A couple years later...put my workout in a magazine cause everyone should be doing it. etc...

Weight lifting belts should be awarded not purchased and they should be different colours which are relative to a person's skill level. So when someone says "Yeah yeah...my workout is great". You can say: "shut the **** up and listen yellow belt."

[PdH]

:pstfu

[tiramisu]

The amount of overthink in all of this is mostly funny. Gifted guys turn into behemoths in a couple of years no matter what they do and everyone else looks for the secret.

I'm guessing your mostly talking about the half rep heros, the young boys standing backwards in the squat racks and the rest trying to commit suicide on the bench press.

Grinding away adding a little more weight every couple of workouts to 4 or 5 basic exercises year after year has got to be the dullest magazine article of all time.

[rickyboy36]

Why does it seem like a lot of people will be more than willing to take diet advice. Yet when it comes to training they think they know what they're doing? This goes for people in the gym, online...everywhere. Is it just me noticing this? Why does everyone know what they're doing yet they all suck at lifting? Where is the disconnect?

If you're reading this thinking yeah man I totally agree...I'm probably talking about you too. It's just a different level of bad lifting. Cause man when I was 15...shit I knew everything. A couple years later...put my workout in a magazine cause everyone should be doing it. etc...

Weight lifting belts should be awarded not purchased and they should be different colours which are relative to a person's skill level. So when someone says "Yeah yeah...my workout is great". You can say: "shut the **** up and listen yellow belt."

I do agree that people put more emphasis on food.But can you blame them?Lots of Variables when it comes time to eating.Most people dont know how to count calories,nor do they know what a carb and protein is or what fat really does.They are bombarded by people telling them that food is the most important thing in bodybuilding.Where as lifting weights,its pretty easy(or at least it LOOKS easy).They SEE trainers and people around them all the time lifting.Where as you cant really see what other poeple are eating for every meal..especially the big guys.In general,a training program is good for everyone(when they start off) where as a diet is different from person to person.

[O-Train]

The amount of overthink in all of this is mostly funny. Gifted guys turn into behemoths in a couple of years no matter what they do and everyone else looks for the secret.

I'm guessing your mostly talking about the half rep heros, the young boys standing backwards in the squat racks and the rest trying to commit suicide on the bench press.

Grinding away adding a little more weight every couple of workouts to 4 or 5 basic exercises year after year has got to be the dullest magazine article of all time.

Show me a gifted guy that got huge in a couple years without a considerable amount of drugs.

Really I just felt like ranting but I'm talking about almost everyone. Almost everyone sucks at lifting weights. In terms of form, exercise selection, workout program design...they just plain suck. Maybe I suck at lifting weights too but I sure notice a lot of crap. From guru's and experienced bodybuilders, personal trainers...almost everyone sucks.

No one asks any good questions. It's always how does this split look, what exercise for this bodypart etc...and the answers are almost always crap. I'm left believing that most people just kinda go to the gym and do "stuff". When it comes to diet everyone wants a rediculous amount of details about everything. If you think lifting weights is simple...you probably suck at it.

The rant wasn't meant for anyone to really read or care about because I assumed it would be misinterpreted by......almost everyone.

Havn't been to the gym in a while which put me in this mood. If I don't go soon it will be a few days because I think my wife is about to go into active labour. **** I'm stressed. End rant.

[ironwill]

Show me a gifted guy that got huge in a couple years without a considerable amount of drugs.

Really I just felt like ranting but I'm talking about almost everyone. Almost everyone sucks at lifting weights. In terms of form, exercise selection, workout program design...they just plain suck. Maybe I suck at lifting weights too but I sure notice a lot of crap. From guru's and experienced bodybuilders, personal trainers...almost everyone sucks.

No one asks any good questions. It's always how does this split look, what exercise for this bodypart etc...and the answers are almost always crap. I'm left believing that most people just kinda go to the gym and do "stuff". When it comes to diet everyone wants a rediculous amount of details about everything. If you think lifting weights is simple...you probably suck at it.

The rant wasn't meant for anyone to really read or care about because I assumed it would be misinterpreted by......almost everyone.

Havn't been to the gym in a while which put me in this mood. If I don't go soon it will be a few days because I think my wife is about to go into active labour. **** I'm stressed. End rant.
dont stress, go fap....;)


Come to the gym with me and see what you think......lol...
some guys get it done, and its not a coffe house, its a workplace.....i agree this is the case with some folks, but there are many of us that DO NOT fall into that category, some of us know our shit and we went to the right places to learn....It didnt come naturally, but i spent the time and money and geter done......You wont see many of us on here asking questions, that know what they are doing, and at the same time some of us that know what we are doing get frustrated trying to explain, its the once in awhile you meet a good person with good work ethic and smarts, that make it worthwhile.....

[O-Train]

dont stress, go fap....;)


Come to the gym with me and see what you think......lol...
some guys get it done, and its not a coffe house, its a workplace.....i agree this is the case with some folks, but there are many of us that DO NOT fall into that category, some of us know our shit and we went to the right places to learn....It didnt come naturally, but i spent the time and money and geter done......You wont see many of us on here asking questions, that know what they are doing, and at the same time some of us that know what we are doing get frustrated trying to explain, its the once in awhile you meet a good person with good work ethic and smarts, that make it worthwhile.....

You're probably a 1%er though IW. I don't know what brought on the rant, frustration and stress most likely. It just bugs me when I see most people asking all the wrong questions or when people take bad advice and ignore good advice. I'd love to come train with you, never been to Manitoba though.

I guess the big thing I was trying to get at is that everyone is at a different level. For me, especially when I was younger. I thought whatever level I was at was "it". As in I more or less had all the information. Then I'd learn a whole bunch and realize that I didn't really know a whole lot. So my point was really just for people to keep an open mind and constantly seek improvement because there is a ton of stuff to learn. Even experts can improve and it just seems like people are really open minded when it comes to diet but think they know it all when it comes to lifting. At least that's how I've been and what I've noticed about other people.

Probably what I should have said initally but my mindset after not lifting for a few days vs. calm and happy right afterwards is like two different people.

[ironwill]

Probably what I should have said initally but my mindset after not lifting for a few days vs. calm and happy right afterwards is like two different people.

I agree with this, my mindset is completely different when trng regular, when i have a few days off, i get weird.....lol...I was just saying this to CC yesterday.....Endorphins are awesome...

[natenator]

Well I am certainly man enough to admit that my form could probably use some work on some exercises. I highly doubt that unless you were taught by the true pros of lifting (Dave Tate et al) or are descendants of their trainees that anyone has perfect form.

My ego isn't so big that I can't admit I could probably use some help in some areas.

I'm glad to see there are some here (as O-train mentioned) that fall into that 1% category. I am certainly not one of them.

[Praetorian]

O-T you are 100% correct. There are many many guys who think they train correctly but dont... not to mention train with a decent level of intensity. If you want to train correctly you need to be taught by someone who actually knows what they are doing at an elite level. Why do you think there are so many guys with shoulder injuries, knee injuries, back injuries etc...their form on the basics is terrible. This does not only extend to beginners...I've seen many "In the trenches" videos on MD etc with pros training and it is quite sad actually. The scary part is guys will see this and think oh wow thats awesome...great workout...half reps, poor form, more weight than they can handle....moving it only because they are on a heavy cycle. World class athletes such as speed skaters, sprinters, olympic lifters.. etc would never dream of training without top level guidance...yet youll see all kind of guys who just finished reading MD thinking they know what they are doing.
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[tiramisu]

Show me a gifted guy that got huge in a couple years without a considerable amount of drugs.

Really I just felt like ranting but I'm talking about almost everyone. Almost everyone sucks at lifting weights. In terms of form, exercise selection, workout program design...they just plain suck. Maybe I suck at lifting weights too but I sure notice a lot of crap. From guru's and experienced bodybuilders, personal trainers...almost everyone sucks.

No one asks any good questions. It's always how does this split look, what exercise for this bodypart etc...and the answers are almost always crap. I'm left believing that most people just kinda go to the gym and do "stuff". When it comes to diet everyone wants a rediculous amount of details about everything. If you think lifting weights is simple...you probably suck at it.

The rant wasn't meant for anyone to really read or care about because I assumed it would be misinterpreted by......almost everyone.

Havn't been to the gym in a while which put me in this mood. If I don't go soon it will be a few days because I think my wife is about to go into active labour. **** I'm stressed. End rant.

Dave Henry, Dennis James (ignoring the drugs comment as drugs are a given in terms of getting this big)

I enjoyed the rest of your rant :)

[ironwill]

Well I am certainly man enough to admit that my form could probably use some work on some exercises. I highly doubt that unless you were taught by the true pros of lifting (Dave Tate et al) or are descendants of their trainees that anyone has perfect form.

My ego isn't so big that I can't admit I could probably use some help in some areas.

I'm glad to see there are some here (as O-train mentioned) that fall into that 1% category. I am certainly not one of them.

ego schmeeego.....we can all use help.....for sure.....But i dont think its as bad as originally posted.......

[O-Train]

Dave Henry, Dennis James (ignoring the drugs comment as drugs are a given in terms of getting this big)

I enjoyed the rest of your rant :)

Dave Henry trains exceptionally well. He is one of the pro's I would tell people to try and emulate. I don't know much about Dennis James.

[ironwill]

Dave Henry trains exceptionally well. He is one of the pro's I would tell people to try and emulate. I don't know much about Dennis James.

HMMMM who was dave henrys trainer.........??

[tiramisu]

Dave Henry trains exceptionally well. He is one of the pro's I would tell people to try and emulate. I don't know much about Dennis James.

I posted a recent q&a with dave, dennis and rusty jeffers

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16229

Rusty got his pro card as a master.

Dave and Dennis however pretty much picked up the weights and were pro's within a couple of years. Genetically gifted counts for a lot.

If you look at Dave's training partner Dr. Stevenson sitting off to the left on the screen you can see a Not Genetically Gifted lifter who trains as well or better than Dave and is about as strong but if you take a look at the physique you can see that genetics really do pull through.

You'll also see them side by side in Dave's Xtreme measures DVD if you want to compare genetics between two men of equal strength and shared training philosophies.

[ironwill]

No doubt about it...Genetics come in many forms...Genetically superior nervous and immune systems, genetically superior ability to use and utilize hormones, receptor genetics, and as we all see genetic body structure.......
Genetics are wide and varied...