Test Prop/Tren Ace Injection Pain

[nitrous]

my first time doing test prop and first time doing tren ace.. normally i've just done long esters and never had any major issues with injection.. well i did a glute shot on sunday.. .7ml test and .5ml tren.. then i did the same in the other glute monday, and another in the delt yesterday (im doing ED injections).. my glute shot from sunday is still killing me.. i took 2 advil last night just to make it to the gym.. i havent injected for 6 months so it could be that my body is acting like its virgin muscle or it could just be the gear? all of it is only 2% BA..

ya it's UG.. what do you guys recommend just heating the areas? or ice then heat? does massaging help a lot? recommendations?

at this point im thinking i cant make it 8 weeks if they are all this bad.. i mean my dealt from yesterday and glute from monday arent too bad but they are still worse than the average long ester injection.. considered cutting it with something else but i dont want a long ester cuz that will **** with my PCT.. its EO i believe by the way

[bongd]

EO, BA, tren, acetate esters... they're all irritants! lol

It's going to be a bit of a rocky start but you'll tolerate it a little more. Also ibuprophen's specificity for COX-2, the cyclooxygenase enzyme that's more responsible for inflammation and pain, is much greater than aspirin which nails a little COX-1 and COX-2 without specificity. It'll help with the pain a bit more.

Don't worry about inhibiting the affects of muscular hypertrophy though because some people get concerned about NSAIDs and inhibition of muscle growth. You'd need to pound back a ton of NSAIDs before that happens. I'd be sooner concerned with strain on the liver and kidneys though. Just take pain relievers when you absolutely need to, otherwise tough it out or use a heating pad. I massage the shit out of sore muscles. Only tren ace and test prop together are pretty bothersome.

[nitrous]

yeah i'll give the ibuprophen a try next time if i absolutely need it.. i hate taking NSAIDs just because i am one fo those that believes they inhibit muscle growth.. i mean even muscle inflamation i think to a degree does help with growth so why inhibit it?

So you think it is the tren ace that is causing most of the issues or the test prop? think it would be worth cutting it with something else? or getting some grape seed oil and filtering it and cutting it with that? or just suck it up, stop being a pussy, and do it?

[JonnyO]

dont mess with the glute shots, they are a pain the ass...literally. Go with delts, thighs arms.

[nitrous]

dont mess with the glute shots, they are a pain the ass...literally. Go with delts, thighs arms.

i've heard from a lot of people that you should stay away from quad shots because of all of the nerves, veins, and really dense muscle?

[tiramisu]

piffle glutes and ventral gluteal are both fun. both prop and tren acetate are definitely going to be more uncomfortable than test e at a reasonable dose. Prop is just generally uncomfortable and UGL's have a tendency to error on the safe side for BA and to put in extra BB because people whine when their gear crashes, tren acetate requires a fair bit of solvents to keep it in solution.

such is life.

I'm always careful with quads, gentle insertion so that if I hit a nerve I can pull out put a new need on and reinsert.

[nitrous]

i cant get into the idea of ventral gluteal.. i just dont see how there is a big muscle there.. maybe i'll give the quad injection a try.. and ya i always go slow incase i need to back out

[tiramisu]

The ventral gluteal is not only big and deep, it also has just about 0 veins or nerves. I think it's the best intramuscular injection site on the body with glutes being a pretty close second. But each to their own. I've got my 8 sites. You can pick yours. You don't want to inject the same site more than once a week to let it heal and you are now in the wonderful world of daily injections.

[nitrous]

The ventral gluteal is not only big and deep, it also has just about 0 veins or nerves. I think it's the best intramuscular injection site on the body with glutes being a pretty close second. But each to their own. I've got my 8 sites. You can pick yours. You don't want to inject the same site more than once a week to let it heal and you are now in the wonderful world of daily injections.

yeah if i throw in quads that'll give me 8 sites.. and with how long the pain in these injections seem to last im going to want at least that much time in between..

[nitrous]

i considered switching it to EOD injections but then putting 2.5cc's in lats might be really uncomfortable.. anyone ever cut it with anything?

[JonnyO]

I should add that when I do quads, its more up towards the hip area and you can go all around that area without worrying about nerves, the nerves and that I found are lower on the quad and can hurt or cause a twinge here and there. I never had a problem going in there, when I went middle/outter quad like most do I had my fair share of problems/pains.

[dremen]

my first time doing test prop and first time doing tren ace.. normally i've just done long esters and never had any major issues with injection.. well i did a glute shot on sunday.. .7ml test and .5ml tren.. then i did the same in the other glute monday, and another in the delt yesterday (im doing ED injections).. my glute shot from sunday is still killing me.. i took 2 advil last night just to make it to the gym.. i havent injected for 6 months so it could be that my body is acting like its virgin muscle or it could just be the gear? all of it is only 2% BA..

ya it's UG.. what do you guys recommend just heating the areas? or ice then heat? does massaging help a lot? recommendations?

at this point im thinking i cant make it 8 weeks if they are all this bad.. i mean my dealt from yesterday and glute from monday arent too bad but they are still worse than the average long ester injection.. considered cutting it with something else but i dont want a long ester cuz that will **** with my PCT.. its EO i believe by the way

Bro u need to cut that EO gear with grapeseed oil, cottonseed oil ect.

I tried the EO prop @200mg/ml and if i did'nt mix it with regular gear it would KILL.

[kloan]

yikes... EO, prop, ace.... it's gonna hurt no matter where you shoot it. if it's too painful and you can't get used to it, cutting it is probably the only way to go. that's gonna be a lotta oil for a while though. but hey, i was doin 3cc for like 12 weeks. all in my glutes... haha, no wonder i got scar tissue.

[dremen]

yikes... EO, prop, ace.... it's gonna hurt no matter where you shoot it. if it's too painful and you can't get used to it, cutting it is probably the only way to go. that's gonna be a lotta oil for a while though. but hey, i was doin 3cc for like 12 weeks. all in my glutes... haha, no wonder i got scar tissue.

I've used test-prop and tren-ace before from labs that use a thicker oil and no pain at all with 1ml of each in same inject. Same ba bb and all that just different oil is all.

At first EVERYONE raved about EO gear, but now it seems like it hurts for almost everyone lol????

[kloan]

yeah i've avoided EO because of how many people i've seen say it hurts too much. don't like the odds...

[tiramisu]

If you aren't allergic to EO it is a more comfortable injection. We are all different.

[nitrous]

If you aren't allergic to EO it is a more comfortable injection. We are all different.

im just assuming its EO.. i could be wrong and it could be grape seed.. i'd drop the lab and despite it being nothing new i'd still get spanked so i wont..

cutting it sounds like the way to go.. i did a lat injection last night and hit had me ****in crippled.. like squirming in pain about 30 minutes after the injection.. i massaged the shit outta it with some tiger bomb and heated the area for about an hour with as much heat as i could handle and it is waayyy better today but i dont wanna go through that every time..

so what should i do just pick up some grape seed oil from the grocery store, run it through a big as syringe with a whatman filter into a sterile vial and i'm good to go? would i need to bake it or do anything else to it?

[nitrous]

on a side note by glutes are wayyy better now.. so pain seems to last for 3-4 days

[dremen]

im just assuming its EO.. i could be wrong and it could be grape seed.. i'd drop the lab and despite it being nothing new i'd still get spanked so i wont..

cutting it sounds like the way to go.. i did a lat injection last night and hit had me ****in crippled.. like squirming in pain about 30 minutes after the injection.. i massaged the shit outta it with some tiger bomb and heated the area for about an hour with as much heat as i could handle and it is waayyy better today but i dont wanna go through that every time..

so what should i do just pick up some grape seed oil from the grocery store, run it through a big as syringe with a whatman filter into a sterile vial and i'm good to go? would i need to bake it or do anything else to it?

For sterile oils any online med store will have it for sale ready to go.

When it comes to mixing painful gear with sterile oil i prefer to pre mix it rather then just mix it together right before injecting. I find if no pain at all if it's pre mixed.

What i have done with a 20ml vial of 200mg/ml prop is transfer the EO based prop into a 30ml vial, then add in 10ml's of another product with a NON EO based oil. Now i heat up the 30ml vial under hot water, shake it to mix it up and then thats it.

Get yourself some sterile vials, some sterile oil and a few whatman filters and you should never have another painful injection ever unleess you inject oil on a tender nerve.

[nitrous]

For sterile oils any online med store will have it for sale ready to go.

When it comes to mixing painful gear with sterile oil i prefer to pre mix it rather then just mix it together right before injecting. I find if no pain at all if it's pre mixed.

What i have done with a 20ml vial of 200mg/ml prop is transfer the EO based prop into a 30ml vial, then add in 10ml's of another product with a NON EO based oil. Now i heat up the 30ml vial under hot water, shake it to mix it up and then thats it.

Get yourself some sterile vials, some sterile oil and a few whatman filters and you should never have another painful injection ever unleess you inject oil on a tender nerve.

hmm sounds like a good idea... canadianmedsupplies here i come haha

you guys recommend grape seed oil then? 50ml for $16

[dremen]

hmm sounds like a good idea... canadianmedsupplies here i come haha

you guys recommend grape seed oil then? 50ml for $16

Yup grapeseed oil has always been good to me, that and cottonseed oil bro.

[nitrous]

also if i have sterile grape seed oil and sterile vials would i need another syringe with a whatman filter or is that just more like for extra protection why not kinda thing?

[dremen]

also if i have sterile grape seed oil and sterile vials would i need another syringe with a whatman filter or is that just more like for extra protection why not kinda thing?

Yes better safe then sorry bro.

Take the sterile oil and filter it into the sterile vial, then add in the gear and mix it up. Try a 1 to 1 mix and if it still stings bump it up to 1 to 1.5 mixture.

1 to 1 mix should be plenty brudda.

[nitrous]

Yes better safe then sorry bro.

Take the sterile oil and filter it into the sterile vial, then add in the gear and mix it up. Try a 1 to 1 mix and if it still stings bump it up to 1 to 1.5 mixture.

1 to 1 mix should be plenty brudda.

thanks bro. what about the tren ace? just leave it as is so if i am shooting .7ml test and .5ml of prop it would end up being:

.7ml grape seed, .7ml test, .5ml tren? or do i need 1:1 ratio with the tren as well you think?

[nitrous]

and for the filter .22 whatman?

[dremen]

thanks bro. what about the tren ace? just leave it as is so if i am shooting .7ml test and .5ml of prop it would end up being:

.7ml grape seed, .7ml test, .5ml tren? or do i need 1:1 ratio with the tren as well you think?

Well what is the mg/ml for the prop and tren bro AND how much of each do you have right now? Let me know and i will do the math for ya lol.

[nitrous]

Well what is the mg/ml for the prop and tren bro AND how much of each do you have right now? Let me know and i will do the math for ya lol.

i'm fine with the math and everything just not sure what ratio to run the sterile oil..

it's 100mg/ml for test and for tren..

i have 5 vials of test prop and 3 of tren ace..

plan is to do 500mg a week of test (but later on in the cycle im planning to up it closer to 700mg a week) and 350mg a week of tren

8 weeks long..

[nitrous]

also what size filter?

[Grunt76]

i considered switching it to EOD injections but then putting 2.5cc's in lats might be really uncomfortable.. anyone ever cut it with anything?

EQ is the best cut there is IMO.

But prop/tren ace cycles are for real men. :D

[nitrous]

EQ is the best cut there is IMO.

ya but its long ester.. it'll **** up my pct.. i wanna recover really quickly so that i can jump back on for over summer

plus at 300mg/ml i'd be doing quite a bit since i'm doing ED injections

[Grunt76]

ya but its long ester.. it'll **** up my pct.. i wanna recover really quickly so that i can jump back on for over summer

plus at 300mg/ml i'd be doing quite a bit since i'm doing ED injections

Hm, you're absolutely right. Time to man it up. ;)

[dremen]

ya but its long ester.. it'll **** up my pct.. i wanna recover really quickly so that i can jump back on for over summer

plus at 300mg/ml i'd be doing quite a bit since i'm doing ED injections


U don't need eq lol.

Just use the grape seed oil at the 1 to 1 ratio bro. This .7 and .5 shit is starting to **** me up man lol.

You have X ml's of prop and X ml's of tren and if u want to keep the .7 of prop and .5 of tren the way it is use 2 different sterile vials.

So after all is said and done u will be injecting 1.4 ml's of prop/grapeseed oil mix and 1ml of tren/grapeseed oil.

You understand now bro? As for filter size .22 is the norm is it not?

How all is good not man:)

[nitrous]

U don't need eq lol.

Just use the grape seed oil at the 1 to 1 ratio bro. This .7 and .5 shit is starting to **** me up man lol.

You have X ml's of prop and X ml's of tren and if u want to keep the .7 of prop and .5 of tren the way it is use 2 different sterile vials.

So after all is said and done u will be injecting 1.4 ml's of prop/grapeseed oil mix and 1ml of tren/grapeseed oil.

You understand now bro? As for filter size .22 is the norm is it not?

How all is good not man:)

thanks bro.. .22 it is

and i tried last night to get some grapeseed oil and get all the filters and everything but nowhere local seemed to have everything so i'm going to have to get it online. Then i asked a couple buddies and one magically had some already filtered in a sterile vial.. so i did an exact 1:1 ratio like you said and honestly wow no issues... i also put heat on it for about an hour after the injection and honestly its been as smooth as an enanthate injection so far! loving it so far :a+

[dremen]

thanks bro.. .22 it is

and i tried last night to get some grapeseed oil and get all the filters and everything but nowhere local seemed to have everything so i'm going to have to get it online. Then i asked a couple buddies and one magically had some already filtered in a sterile vial.. so i did an exact 1:1 ratio like you said and honestly wow no issues... i also put heat on it for about an hour after the injection and honestly its been as smooth as an enanthate injection so far! loving it so far :a+

So you just injected some oil a buddy had sitting around? Bro i hope this was in an unused/unopened vial.....lol

Well im glad to hear the pain is not bad now man. Injections are lots of fun when you know the gear don't hurt. Now u can try out new spots all over with no big worries. Trust me finding new spots that you can pin is a GOOD thing bro. I had so much scar tissue in my glutes from last cycle that there's still some there even though i have'nt done a glute shot in like 8 weeks....lol.

In all honesty EO gear mixed with grape seed oil gear makes for some totaly non-painful shots bro and i don't think you need to heat the area for an hour after bro...seems a lil overboard, but if it works it works man;)

For me after i wipe area with alchohol i put my syringe under hot water for about 45 seconds then dry it off and then inject it. When the oil is hotter then your body temerature apon injection as it cools down the oil shrinks creating way less painful injections. If you inject luke warm or cold oil when you inject and the oil heats up it will expand and hurt like a mofo for a lot of people.

Sorry for going on man...blah blah blah.:spam

[ironwill]

Hm, you're absolutely right. Time to man it up. ;)Good to see you Grunt........Get on here and post....

[nitrous]

So you just injected some oil a buddy had sitting around? Bro i hope this was in an unused/unopened vial.....lol

Well im glad to hear the pain is not bad now man. Injections are lots of fun when you know the gear don't hurt. Now u can try out new spots all over with no big worries. Trust me finding new spots that you can pin is a GOOD thing bro. I had so much scar tissue in my glutes from last cycle that there's still some there even though i have'nt done a glute shot in like 8 weeks....lol.

In all honesty EO gear mixed with grape seed oil gear makes for some totaly non-painful shots bro and i don't think you need to heat the area for an hour after bro...seems a lil overboard, but if it works it works man;)

For me after i wipe area with alchohol i put my syringe under hot water for about 45 seconds then dry it off and then inject it. When the oil is hotter then your body temerature apon injection as it cools down the oil shrinks creating way less painful injections. If you inject luke warm or cold oil when you inject and the oil heats up it will expand and hurt like a mofo for a lot of people.

Sorry for going on man...blah blah blah.:spam

ya i always heat it up beforehand exactly like you mentioned

[Grunt76]

Good to see you Grunt........Get on here and post....

Thanks bro, I'll try and see what I can do but I just started my own (french-language) board, so I'll be mostly there...

Moreover, my political views have made me extremely unpopular around these parts... :fwave

[steve_o]

How did you find the injections after you cut the test prop. I was curious as I was going to do the same but 1:1 ratio would make me inject 3ml at a time. I was going to use grapeseed oil from canmed as well.

How does the whole filter thing work?

[nitrous]

How did you find the injections after you cut the test prop. I was curious as I was going to do the same but 1:1 ratio would make me inject 3ml at a time. I was going to use grapeseed oil from canmed as well.

How does the whole filter thing work?

canmed filters it for you so no need to filter it yourself. cutting it helped but really it didnt help thatttt much.. what i did that worked best was go from ED to EOD injections and that made it bareable..

[steve_o]

canmed filters it for you so no need to filter it yourself. cutting it helped but really it didnt help thatttt much.. what i did that worked best was go from ED to EOD injections and that made it bareable..

Thanks for the response. I am going to be doing 150mg EOD for 10 weeks so I was thinking of just adding 3ml to my 13ml and then injecting 2ml/shot which would give me my 150mg of prop and .5ml of GSO to dull the pain a bit. I am not too worried about the pain more about the volume that I will be injecting into the smaller muscles like delts and pecs.

[nitrous]

Thanks for the response. I am going to be doing 150mg EOD for 10 weeks so I was thinking of just adding 3ml to my 13ml and then injecting 2ml/shot which would give me my 150mg of prop and .5ml of GSO to dull the pain a bit. I am not too worried about the pain more about the volume that I will be injecting into the smaller muscles like delts and pecs.

delts can handle a decent amount.. i've done 2.5 cc's no problem.. the issue comes when you start doing that week after week consecutively for awhile..

and pecs ive never done.. tried once and it really didnt work out well haha hurt too much and wasnt peircing well so gave up changed pin and shot elsewhere