Cut - Dairy ?

[chiplin]

Hey guys, I was just curious as to if yogurt was safe to eat on a cut... I just finished lunch but I'd like something to top it off. I usually drink 2-3 glasses of skim milk a day, but is low-calorie yogurt cut-safe ?

[ironwill]

Hey guys, I was just curious as to if yogurt was safe to eat on a cut... I just finished lunch but I'd like something to top it off. I usually drink 2-3 glasses of skim milk a day, but is low-calorie yogurt cut-safe ?

Cut as in contest cut, or looking good without a shirt cut???

[Ritch]

I`d say take it out whether t shirt cut or stage... besides liquid calories are the least filling and the one`s you can easily do without out.

[chiplin]

Ritch, what would you recommend ? I'm on a cut but also trying to maintain as much mass as possible, I'll be bulking up in 2-3 weeks.

[ironwill]

I ate yogurt every day, cut and bulk...But you have to time it correctly and not an all you can eat buffet....Next time for contest it will be out for me...But for a summer cut, hell i keep it in, if you have decent metabolism and its real yogurt with real probiotics etc....not the sugar crap from the stores...

[ironwill]

Ritch, what would you recommend ? I'm on a cut but also trying to maintain as much mass as possible, I'll be bulking up in 2-3 weeks.

arent we all???Plus 2-3 week cut is a waste of time in all honesty, you need to figure out where youre going bro....!!!

[steve_d]

depends what yogurt. 35 calories of source yogurt is not going to do a thing in terms of affecting fatloss. such an insignificant nothing that it really doesn't matter. This applies to any kind of "cut".

As always, so many people will disagree with me on this...But think of it, what can it really do? Sure there may be better choices, I won't dispute that...but same can be said with lots of things that I eat on my diet, right up to the day of the show. To me its all about balance, sanity, and whatever will bring me there. If 50 calories of yogurt does it for you, then it won't hurt.

I know a certain relative of mine practically drinks sugar free syrop right up till a show. I am sure he could make better choices, but whatever helps. Some people chew 35 calories worth of gum in a day, or crystal light...and so on.

Although...you did say you drink 3-4 glasses of skim milk as it is. If you are trying to cut, you might start running out of "spare" calories to play with if 25% of your cals come from milk and yogurt.

To answer the question, it's "safe".

[chiplin]

arent we all???Plus 2-3 week cut is a waste of time in all honesty, you need to figure out where youre going bro....!!!

No, no, no, I've already been on it for 5 weeks ! My goal is reached, I'm just going to finish it up here while preparing for my bulk ! It wasn't a big cut so it didn't take much time at all !

[ironwill]

depends what yogurt. 35 calories of source yogurt is not going to do a thing in terms of affecting fatloss. such an insignificant nothing that it really doesn't matter. This applies to any kind of "cut".

As always, so many people will disagree with me on this...But think of it, what can it really do? Sure there may be better choices, I won't dispute that...but same can be said with lots of things that I eat on my diet, right up to the day of the show. To me its all about balance, sanity, and whatever will bring me there. If 50 calories of yogurt does it for you, then it won't hurt.

I know a certain relative of mine practically drinks sugar free syrop right up till a show. I am sure he could make better choices, but whatever helps. Some people chew 35 calories worth of gum in a day, or crystal light...and so on.

Although...you did say you drink 3-4 glasses of skim milk as it is. If you are trying to cut, you might start running out of "spare" calories to play with if 25% of your cals come from milk and yogurt.

To answer the question, it's "safe".

Dont be so sure about everyone disagreeing....lol...i agree....:p

[The Brick]

Probably will get tons of varying opinions.

Really just comes to what works best for you, and how you respond.

Personally never had a problem with it in moderation. Should be no problem.

[O-Train]

I think it's fine. Even pre-contest I keep in dairy, but I don't like the low-calorie/low fat yogurt. The good stuff has lots of fat and calories.

[steve_d]

^tell me about it...I never even tried the non-low calorie yogurt until this year. I tell you, it takes 400 calories of low fat/calorie yogurt to make me feel as satisfied as 1 little container of normal calorie yogurt.

[Praetorian]

There are much better sources of protein without sugar (lactose) in them then dairy while cutting. And yes even a small amount (35 calores) will make a significant difference while dieting if you are running a keto diet...it will basically kick you out of ketosis and slow fat loss dramatically. On a low carb low fat diet not as significant but dairy does increase muscous in the body and is basically a mixed carb/protein source which would be better replaced by a pure protein or carb source. Yes you can still lose fat eating dairy but if optimum fat loss is your goal...its best to remove it and save it for off season.
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[devo09]

dairy is great source of protein....

the lactose and sugar will NOT impact fat loss providing that the macronutrient ratios/totals are the same at the end of the day/week.

[Praetorian]

dairy is great source of protein....

the lactose and sugar will NOT impact fat loss providing that the macronutrient ratios/totals are the same at the end of the day/week.

It absolutely will impact fat loss...the lactose is a sugar(disaccharide)...dieting is not calories in calories out...if it was that simple youd see many more shredded guys...the type of calories has much to do with the outcome.
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[devo09]

It absolutely will impact fat loss...the lactose is a sugar(disaccharide)...dieting is not calories in calories out...if it was that simple youd see many more shredded guys...the type of calories has much to do with the outcome.
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sorry, the main part of dieting IS calories in/calories out

And it is the exact reason that you don't see many shredded guys, because calorie deficits for long periods of time are very difficult to maintain, and because it requires further commitment (training+consistency)

Just because a disaccharide is broken down quicker than a poly doesn't mean it will be preferentially stored as fat. Plus if it helps someone psychologically by eating dairy if they enjoy the taste and can fit it into their macronutrient goals/needs, it will only help.

[natenator]

sorry, the main part of dieting IS calories in/calories out

And it is the exact reason that you don't see many shredded guys, because calorie deficits for long periods of time are very difficult to maintain, and because it requires further commitment (training+consistency)

Just because a disaccharide is broken down quicker than a poly doesn't mean it will be preferentially stored as fat. Plus if it helps someone psychologically by eating dairy if they enjoy the taste and can fit it into their macronutrient goals/needs, it will only help.
I like eating chocolate. Do you think having 100 calories or so a day of chocolate vs 100 calories/day of steak will make a difference for 16 weeks when it comes time to step on stage?

[Praetorian]

sorry, the main part of dieting IS calories in/calories out

And it is the exact reason that you don't see many shredded guys, because calorie deficits for long periods of time are very difficult to maintain, and because it requires further commitment (training+consistency)

Just because a disaccharide is broken down quicker than a poly doesn't mean it will be preferentially stored as fat. Plus if it helps someone psychologically by eating dairy if they enjoy the taste and can fit it into their macronutrient goals/needs, it will only help.

The calories in calories out concept is naive at best. That is a very old argument and the horse has been beaten to death. I am not stating an opinion here I am reiterating common knowledge in physque contest dieting. As well calorie deficits are not that difficult to maintain if the correct type of calories are used. The argument is not fat storage it is preferential fuel. Dieting is not about eating something because it makes you feel good...its about optimum nutrition for fat loss...dairy is far from optimum.
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[ironwill]

Cue Nate.......

[devo09]

The calories in calories out concept is naive at best. That is a very old argument and the horse has been beaten to death. I am not stating an opinion here I am reiterating common knowledge in physque contest dieting. As well calorie deficits are not that difficult to maintain if the correct type of calories are used. The argument is not fat storage it is preferential fuel. Dieting is not about eating something because it makes you feel good...its about optimum nutrition for fat loss...dairy is far from optimum.
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think whatever you want, your obviously set in your ways..biochemistry would say your wrong though


It is no coincidence that many bodybuilders have been able to get striated glutes/hams while consuming dairy

[Praetorian]

think whatever you want, your obviously set in your ways..biochemistry would say your wrong though


It is no coincidence that many bodybuilders have been able to get striated glutes/hams while consuming dairy

A degree in biochemistry doesnt mean you have any idea about contest dieting or nutrition for that matter. I dont have the luxury of thinking whatever I like...my clients results are dependant on optimum nutrition. Experience and results trump a piece paper any day of the week. And yes Ronnie Coleman gets shredded eating barbecue sauce with sugar in it....that doesnt mean we all should.
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[Ritch]

Is he talking about Coleman and the bbq sause again. **** Devo, sometimes you say some smart stuff, then you look like a complete clown by posting shit like that. I`m telling you bro, you will never, ever get anyone to agree it`s ideal to have bbq sauce while dieting.

[Ritch]

I like eating chocolate. Do you think having 100 calories or so a day of chocolate vs 100 calories/day of steak will make a difference for 16 weeks when it comes time to step on stage?

So well said... You`d have to be a retard not to understand or agree with that.

[Praetorian]

Is he talking about Coleman and the bbq sause again. **** Devo, sometimes you say some smart stuff, then you look like a complete clown by posting shit like that. I`m telling you bro, you will never, ever get anyone to agree it`s ideal to have bbq sauce while dieting.

No in his defence he didnt post that...its just an example of calories in calories out i gave.
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[tiramisu]

I'm not even sure that dairy is a good choice when bulking. As a fervent follower of the gallon of milk a day club I definitely gained weigh, and I definitely gained muscle.

I'm pretty sure I could have gained as much muscle with less body fat gain had I chosen my foods more carefully. In defence of dairy when bulking it is dirt cheap, convenient and it's pretty easy to down 2k calories in liquid. I think it's a pretty darn good choice if you are grossly underweight. For me it was a little bit foolhardy. Effective but I hit 250 pounds at christmas 2008 and it took me 20 weeks and a bit to get down to 200 at probably around 12-13%

[Aaron_37]

I'm lactose intolerant, but I integrate dairy where/when I can. Regardless of cutting or bulking, this is my dairy supply:

Eggs - if you consider them dairy as some people do.
Whey - duh.
Casein - duh.
Cottage cheese - low enough in lactose not to bother me.

I personally don't see the need for yogurt, milk, and other products when you've got these 3 (or 4) essentials. That's just me though, speaking for the lactose intolerant camp. I think the gallon of milk idea is fantastic, I just can't speak for it because I have no experience/chance with it.