New idea

[Rrrrolla]

Just thinking of trying this for a few weeks...

2iu of gh 5 times a day with 5iu of insulin (humalog) with each shot. Anyone ever try a protocal like this before for gaining mass? I wouldn't run the insulin for long during a protocal like this, don't really want to risk becoming dependant, I'm sure a few weeks wouldn't hurt though.

It was recommended to me to try 10iu of gh/day from a very respected board member from a different site, and I like insulin now that I got the hang of it, I figure this might be a great way to pack on some mass. I'm a hardgainer, I don't know if I can even get fat at all, I usually look about 5 weeks out from comp shape in the offseason and I am really itching to pack on some serious size during this offseason. I'm up about 5-7 pounds since Christmas of what appears to be lean muscle, but I really wanna step things up.

Any thoughts?

[D-S]

That would be pretty sweet if you got the time to do it properly!

[Mr Ontario]

You must have deep pockets...and ya 5ius of insulin 5x a day? come on....think about.

[Rrrrolla]

Did I miss something obvious big guy? I take 15iu at one time after a workout, why would 25iu over the course of an entire day sound odd to you? I have very deep pockets.

[shithead]

5 iu of insulin isnt that large of a dose. It still seems like it could be detrimental to your health, taking slin that often. Maybe this is a secret of the pros. Shhhhhhhh!

[Demonwolf]

Try it for a week, see what happens. You'll probably be sick of needles then too. I would.

[St]

Sound like Almost Pro's way of doing it,but i here it worked well for many,i'm just not a big fan of Insulin,wish you nothing but the best of luck.

[gustavo77]

I wish you the best of luck with it bro, but it just seems like overkill...your insulin levels will be ski high all day, i can;t see that being good for your health. I think morning and PWO is good enough but again good luck and be careful.

[SiLvErBaK]

with that much slin be careful of hypoglycemia. symptoms will present as palpitations, tachycardia(fast hartbeat), nervousness, confusion, sweating, and seizures followed by coma. if your not home all day don't try this. you have to keep very close attention to what your body is doing.how its reacting. too much gh for a consistent period of time will cause probs aswell.
do it right and see optimal gains, do it wrong and maybe see an emergency to the hospital, in some cases death.

[D-S]

I think one of the key points he read about this was that its for short periods of time...I have a buddy who shoots 20ius after workout so 5ius, 5x a day is not far fetched...3ius would do the trick tho

[MassNutrition]

I'm interested in hearing what this kind of strategy might produce...

...as for the deep pockets, Insulin is dirt cheap! A 10ml vial will last you forever, and most pharmacies will shoot you one for about $30 to $35. Insulin is the cheapest anabolic agent out there, and I'm guessing by your 5X per day dosing schedule, it'll be Humalog you're using... Good luck Bro, keep us informed.

[Mr Ontario]

Deep pockets was with the Gh....but I guess if you can afford by all means do so. As for the insulin I administer daily to someone who actually needs it. And as you can see after my post that people are concerned as to being an over kill...but it's body..do as you will. Are planning to being on stage or wrestler by any means? Just curious...

[Rrrrolla]

Haha, nope, not a wrestler, just a bodybuilder. I would like to win the New Brunswick's this year and move on to the Canada's in the near future. If I can keep myself growing at the rate I have been over the last few years, I can see myself having a decent placing at the Canada's in a few more years. I don't mind trying new things to see how I react, the insulin is a bit sketchy even to me, but I don't fear it anymore, although I know how unpredictable hypoglycemaia can be. I eat alot though the day thogh and getting a bit fatter does not scare me at all, so I think I will give it a try soon. I love trying new things! Synthol in my biceps is also on my to-do list, gotta beat 19 3/4"... Right BigDaddyDrew? LOL! I think I can squeeze an extra half inch in there...

[shithead]

Synthol yuck! Prolly wont get alot of support around here for that.

Good luck on your mission bro, you should keep a picture log every month and post recent results/images. I'm sure everyone would like to check them out.

As for Gh at 10iu/day be careful that your waist stays in check.

Have you tried IGF? if so, what did you think?

[Rrrrolla]

Synthol yuck! Prolly wont get alot of support around here for that.

Good luck on your mission bro, you should keep a picture log every month and post recent results/images. I'm sure everyone would like to check them out.

As for Gh at 10iu/day be careful that your waist stays in check.

Have you tried IGF? if so, what did you think?

I've gne through quite a bit of igf, I like it for it's side effects, the growth effects are still a bit up in the air imo. It allows me to run much higher doses of aas without getting the bad side effects (shbg regulation maybe?), and it keeps me lean and veiny no matter what I eat. Those are the immediate effects, the growth potential increases are probably there, but these efects are very difficult to quantify. I will say that I believe it has made a difference though.

[Rrrrolla]

Synthol is just my atempt to stretch the fascia of my biceps, I wouldn't use it for a show.

[Mr Ontario]

Must be nice to be able to take 10ius of GH a day....anything over 4 ius a day and my wrist kill.

Ya...keep us posted maybe with some before and after pic's would be nice!

[Rrrrolla]

That's exactly what I'm worried about, any time I got to 3 or more iu a day I get the same problem. We will see! I've never tried in several low doses throughout the day before, might be different... I'll post pics when/if I start.

[bigdaddydrew123]

do you have to eat more food in order for this to work.ie would you gain weight while eating the same amount as now.im curious as to how this will work also, but be careful.consider also 3 to 4 hour duration with each shot. this means being vigilant every waking hour. would 3 times a day be more reasonable start to see how it works . why jump to 5 right away when 2 or 3 times / day might be sufficient . just be careful bro. i need a training partner for awhile

[Rrrrolla]

I don't know bro, good question, I'm already eating as much as my body can hadle, that's one of the effects I was hoping for, increased appetite. That's a great idea, just to start at 3 tiea day and try more if it's not difficult. I'm most worried about my hand issues with taht dose of gh. We'll see what happens I guess. Not till next week though, gotta get more organised first...

[Mr Ontario]

Let me know if you want one of those prescribed injectable pens in case you seizure... I will give you a good price on one.

[JonnyO]

There is no benefit of injecting GH anymore than once a day. Multiple injections or a single dose will yield the same results. Now IGF on the other hand, that there doing mutliple injections 5x a day would be a different story. Also no need to be on Slin all day long, I would go for a shot with breakfast and a post workout shot.

If you have deep pockets, hit the GH at 20iu E3D (every third day) along with the Humalog am and PWO. You will grow like nobodys business I guarantee it!

[JonnyO]

Synthol is just my atempt to stretch the fascia of my biceps, I wouldn't use it for a show.

I would honestly not go this route bro. Try some fascial stretching with your workouts. Check the latest issue of MD as well, Hany Rambod has an interesting column and he just wrote a part 1 of his FST-7 protocol, something for you to look into.

[D-S]

Theres nothing wrong with synthol, it strechtes the muscle fascia out and as it disapates slowly new muscle will grow in its place...one of the best things for permenant gains, just have to inject evenly up and down the muscle and diffrent depths...noone will ever look like greg valentino simply b/c it wasn't synthol you cant get like that from it, he has implants

[Rrrrolla]

There is no benefit of injecting GH anymore than once a day. Multiple injections or a single dose will yield the same results. Now IGF on the other hand, that there doing mutliple injections 5x a day would be a different story. Also no need to be on Slin all day long, I would go for a shot with breakfast and a post workout shot.

If you have deep pockets, hit the GH at 20iu E3D (every third day) along with the Humalog am and PWO. You will grow like nobodys business I guarantee it!

This is what I would like to try next, do you use the insulin everyday or just on the days you megadose the gh? I would assume everyday. I have no idea what is going to work best, I'm open to opinions, but I feel that it's important to experiment a bit to see what really works and what doesn't. I have lots of time to bulk, so I'm going to try both my idea and the gh blast theory. When you do a blast, do you take all 20iu PWO or in the AM? Probably doesn't matter. I'm not going to run igf while I try these out, I want to make sure I know what's doing what for me.

Thanks for the advice bros! I appreciate you all sharing your knowledge and opinions.

[JonnyO]

This is what I would like to try next, do you use the insulin everyday or just on the days you megadose the gh? I would assume everyday. I have no idea what is going to work best, I'm open to opinions, but I feel that it's important to experiment a bit to see what really works and what doesn't. I have lots of time to bulk, so I'm going to try both my idea and the gh blast theory. When you do a blast, do you take all 20iu PWO or in the AM? Probably doesn't matter. I'm not going to run igf while I try these out, I want to make sure I know what's doing what for me.

Thanks for the advice bros! I appreciate you all sharing your knowledge and opinions.

You could split the GH into two doses am and PWO. What seems to work best if taking the GH in higher doses once to twice per week or E3D and time those days so they are on back or leg days.