Which method best to cycle dbol? cycle advice

[pblade]

I have not yet tried stacking testosterone with another compound, and decided i try dbol for it's quick strength and mass gains. I am hearing many different opinions on how to run dbol so i need some clarification. Shall i run it as a kickstart, or only start it when the test has fully kicked in.

Would i do something like :
weeks 1-10 test e 500mg
weeks 1-4 dbol 25mg
weeks 4-10 liquidex 0.25mg EOD

or

weeks 1-10 test e 500mg
weeks 4-8 (or 10) dbol 25mg
weeks 4-10 liquidex 0.25mg EOD

If i were however to use it from week 4 and on, would i be able to use weeks 1-4 to maintain my muscle and lose some body fat to prep myself for when the dbol and test fully kicks in to gain mass limiting how much bodyfat i will gain in the end?

or

weeks 1-10 test e 500mg
weeks 2-6 (or 8) dbol 25mg
weeks 4-10 liquidex 0.25mg EOD

something like half kickstart, and half while test has kicked in.

[azian257]

or

weeks 1-10 Test E
weeks 8-12 Dbol

...so many choices, begining mid or end?

Most people I know use it as a kickstart. Does not mean its not ok to use it during different times during your cycle. I would encourage experimenting.

Lastly, remember your mass gain and bodyfat will mainly depend on your diet/training. I generally drink a bit more water to help reduce the water retention when using dbol.

[pseclint]

do your test weeks 1-10, use dbol at 50mg a day for weeks 1-4 or even 1-6......... if you cared about water retention at all you wouldnt be using dbol...... use adex EOD or E3D throughout....... PCT......

[pseclint]

Also pick one or the other, either gain some mass or try to lose BF...... sounds like you are trying to do both in 10 weeks

[Ritch]

Use the dianabol from week 1-8. I don`t know what the big deal is. 8 weeks of an oral is not going to kill you. Take something to clean your liver before and after and you should be fine.

[tiramisu]

8 weeks of dbol would turn me into a cripple. mmm back pumps.

[pblade]

Would i use liver protection like Milk Thistle while I use dbol, or only after i stopped using it?

[Praetorian]

For best results the dbol should be run weeks 4-8/10 whatever you choose. This way you get a much more synergistic effect wih the test because of higher blood levels. You would be limiting gains using it early and using it late will lead to tougher recovery issues and muscle maintenance.
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[pblade]

I will go ahead and run it starting from week 4 however I understand there will be a lot more aromatise activity so will I still benefit from using arimidex alongside dbol , and shall I stick to 25mg every day due to being my first time using it and because it will be synergistic with testosterone at peak levels?

[Praetorian]

I will go ahead and run it starting from week 4 however I understand there will be a lot more aromatise activity so will I still benefit from using arimidex alongside dbol , and shall I stick to 25mg every day due to being my first time using it and because it will be synergistic with testosterone at peak levels?

On only 500mg test and 25mg dbol there should be very limted aromatization. .5mg EOD should be more than enoug to combat any estro sides...I would only use it if you see sides however.
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[Ritch]

If you don`t want to front load dbal, then why not get a few bottles of prop and do 2 cc`s eod? or a cc ed?

[KoN]

For the guys who have cycled dBol this way..

Is there a noticeable difference in taking it later in the cycle vs. a 'kick start'? I find the whole idea of kickstarting sort of silly because the drug is active in your body the moment you inject it, but that being said is there a difference?

[pblade]

Lastly I am advised by my hrt doc to take hcg 350 iu 3x week. Shall I continue with the test and dbol or too much aromatisation . Or the Arimidex will take care of everything?

[Praetorian]

For the guys who have cycled dBol this way..

Is there a noticeable difference in taking it later in the cycle vs. a 'kick start'? I find the whole idea of kickstarting sort of silly because the drug is active in your body the moment you inject it, but that being said is there a difference?

Very noticeable...a drug may be active once injected however without blood levels being high enough you wont see the effects ie anabolic activity. Blood levels need to be at a certain level before performance enhancement effects will take place.
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[Praetorian]

Lastly I am advised by my hrt doc to take hcg 350 iu 3x week. Shall I continue with the test and dbol or too much aromatisation . Or the Arimidex will take care of everything?

As posted above these dosages are low...thus aromatization will normally be low if any....the arimidex will address any estro issues. The hcg can be used concurrently without issue.
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[pblade]

Wonderful thank u . We havnt spoken yet but I always see you are very knowledgable , nice to meet u.

I am going to start dbol weeks 4-8 or 10. Now do you beleive I will gain a noticable amount more muscle with including dbol rather than test alone. I say that because why do I hear many mixed reviews how the gains are not kept from using dbol; or is it only regarding that you will immediately drop all the water weight once discontinuing dbol?

[Praetorian]

Wonderful thank u . We havnt spoken yet but I always see you are very knowledgable , nice to meet u.

I am going to start dbol weeks 4-8 or 10. Now do you beleive I will gain a noticable amount more muscle with including dbol rather than test alone. I say that because why do I hear many mixed reviews how the gains are not kept from using dbol; or is it only regarding that you will immediately drop all the water weight once discontinuing dbol?

Most people equate weight gained with dbol to gains which is incorrect...muscle takes time to build water retention happens quickly...also orals need to be used correctly in order for gains to be maintained.
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[steve_o]

Not to high jack the thread or anything but if you were subbing in Tbol for Dbol would it make a difference on when to take it.

This question is for you P. I heard that if you take orals at the very end of your cycle, continue 2 weeks after last shot of Test it is better because you start PCT right away and you don't have any hormonal imbalances and estrogen fluctuations. Any truth to this?

[ironwill]

For the guys who have cycled dBol this way..

Is there a noticeable difference in taking it later in the cycle vs. a 'kick start'? I find the whole idea of kickstarting sort of silly because the drug is active in your body the moment you inject it, but that being said is there a difference?

Very much of a difference when starting 4 weeks in...Think about how fast you begin to see things happen when starting d-bol, pretty much in a couple of days in my experience...How long to notice test enanthate, usually a couple of weeks for me, now think about seeing the effect of test, then adding d-bol when test is being noticed bigger bang for sure...Otherwise youre just getting off of d-bol and the test is kicking in, makes it seem like test is weak, then guys get miffed thinking they have bad test....lol

[Praetorian]

Not to high jack the thread or anything but if you were subbing in Tbol for Dbol would it make a difference on when to take it.

This question is for you P. I heard that if you take orals at the very end of your cycle, continue 2 weeks after last shot of Test it is better because you start PCT right away and you don't have any hormonal imbalances and estrogen fluctuations. Any truth to this?

Timing is the same...long ester test should be the last item prior to starting HCG and PCT not orals...orals are out too fast and hence the inevitable crash. If PCT is run correctly there will not be any estro or hormonal issues.
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[Ritch]

Alright, this is bugging me lol... Why can`t he just use dbal for the first 8 weeks? It`s the third time I say this and haven`t gotten an answer. Can`t be that bad... I know about the synergy of using it say from week 4, but why go on a cycle and have **** all happen for the first 4 weeks. Sure you won`t get the maximum benefits from the dbal as there won`t be any synergy, but so what? Dbal pumps you up fast and gives you an awesome mood lift, so it`s not all wasted.

[steve_o]

Timing is the same...long ester test should be the last item prior to starting HCG and PCT not orals...orals are out too fast and hence the inevitable crash. If PCT is run correctly there will not be any estro or hormonal issues.
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Thank you. Going to run my Tbol Week 4 - 9 at 40mg/day. Thanks again for the advice.

[KoN]

Alright, this is bugging me lol... Why can`t he just use dbal for the first 8 weeks? It`s the third time I say this and haven`t gotten an answer. Can`t be that bad... I know about the synergy of using it say from week 4, but why go on a cycle and have **** all happen for the first 4 weeks. Sure you won`t get the maximum benefits from the dbal as there won`t be any synergy, but so what? Dbal pumps you up fast and gives you an awesome mood lift, so it`s not all wasted.

In my opinion, bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint. Why do you feel the need for instant gratification (running dbol right away) if you can potentially get better results from including it later in the cycle.

I'm sure there's lots of ways to 'feel the drugs right away' but you should be asking 'how do I get the most out of X' I think...

[buildinthaskinnys]

Alright, this is bugging me lol... Why can`t he just use dbal for the first 8 weeks? It`s the third time I say this and haven`t gotten an answer. Can`t be that bad... I know about the synergy of using it say from week 4, but why go on a cycle and have **** all happen for the first 4 weeks. Sure you won`t get the maximum benefits from the dbal as there won`t be any synergy, but so what? Dbal pumps you up fast and gives you an awesome mood lift, so it`s not all wasted.

I agree with this, d-bol is amazing on its own also.

[dremen]

Use the dianabol from week 1-8. I don`t know what the big deal is. 8 weeks of an oral is not going to kill you. Take something to clean your liver before and after and you should be fine.


I have to agree with you Ritch. Honestly running dbol for 4 weeks at a time seems pointless to me. There are so many posts where people say dbol wont help you grow, just make you bloat up is all and i find that so false to a degree.

If u run dbol for just 4 weeks of course all your weight gains will just be water, but if you run the dbol for say 8-12 weeks along with test you will develop a lot more muscle mass. Of course when the dbol is droped you will need a good month to drop the water weight and bloat, but i think its worth it.

Dbol, var, tbol IMHO can be run year round if your in good health and dose stays on the low end.

[gustavo77]

Dbol, var, tbol IMHO can be run year round if your in good health and dose stays on the low end.

I have to totally disagree with this. D-bol, t-bol and var are ALL liver toxic and over a long period of time, taken at BB related doses, will not only stress the liver but could possibly cause liver damage. Not only that but these orals also negatively impact HDL, lowering it and causing very unhealthy ratios of LDL/HDL...can you say looking for a heart attack??

Orals should be kept to 6-8 weeks maximum IMO, followed of course by proper blood work.

[dremen]

I have to totally disagree with this. D-bol, t-bol and var are ALL liver toxic and over a long period of time, taken at BB related doses, will not only stress the liver but could possibly cause liver damage. Not only that but these orals also negatively impact HDL, lowering it and causing very unhealthy ratios of LDL/HDL...can you say looking for a heart attack??

Orals should be kept to 6-8 weeks maximum IMO, followed of course by proper blood work.


I did'nt mean for anyone else besides me LOL....j/k.

Well i kinda agree with ya gustavo, but lots of guys have run orals for very long periods of time with no huge problems.

Shit there's a guy over on another board who has been running test/tren for over 8 years so i guess it just all depends on the person bro?

[buildinthaskinnys]

I have to totally disagree with this. D-bol, t-bol and var are ALL liver toxic and over a long period of time, taken at BB related doses, will not only stress the liver but could possibly cause liver damage. Not only that but these orals also negatively impact HDL, lowering it and causing very unhealthy ratios of LDL/HDL...can you say looking for a heart attack??

Orals should be kept to 6-8 weeks maximum IMO, followed of course by proper blood work.

And injectables don't cause any of this? ;)

[rob66679]

And injectables don't cause any of this? ;)

Cholestorol.....yes....liver damage....not likely.

[gustavo77]

I did'nt mean for anyone else besides me LOL....j/k.

Well i kinda agree with ya gustavo, but lots of guys have run orals for very long periods of time with no huge problems.

Shit there's a guy over on another board who has been running test/tren for over 8 years so i guess it just all depends on the person bro?

Some may run orals for long periods of time and say they are healthy but I think if they reviewed their blood work then I think they would say differently.

Test/tren for 8 years straight eh?? I wonder what kind of problems that guy will experience in the years to come.

Yes everyone is different but that is no reason to abuse stuff...and running orals or outrages amounts of gear is not good for anyone who does it.

[gustavo77]

And injectables don't cause any of this? ;)

Firstly, the topic is regarding an oral, so that what i was commenting on. :ne

That said, most injectables are not liver toxic...at all. Of course there is injectable winny and d-bol etc but they are the exception rather than the rule.

And yes, using large doses of injects over time will negatively impact cholesterol but orals are much, much worse in this sense.

[troy_trinity]

everyone is different when it comes to orals. Just get blood work done regularly to see how you react and go from there...

[GYMBRAT]

everyone is different when it comes to orals. Just get blood work done regularly to see how you react and go from there...

exactly, heed the blood work ;) if your urine glows in the dark up your h2o intake lol

[pblade]

I got my dbol on hand, and it is 25mg/capsule. I was hoping it would be pills to easily split to spread out dose in the day. I am already mid cycle, so I don't want to run a highdose since it will already be synergistic with testosterone at it's peak and I wanna see how i react to it to increase the dose the next time. However since it is a capsule, would it be fine to take one 25mg dose at once in the day, or what are your opinions guys? and will i feel 25mg mid cycle at 400mg/test e a week a lot for my first time using it?

[dremen]

I got my dbol on hand, and it is 25mg/capsule. I was hoping it would be pills to easily split to spread out dose in the day. I am already mid cycle, so I don't want to run a highdose since it will already be synergistic with testosterone at it's peak and I wanna see how i react to it to increase the dose the next time. However since it is a capsule, would it be fine to take one 25mg dose at once in the day, or what are your opinions guys? and will i feel 25mg mid cycle at 400mg/test e a week a lot for my first time using it?

Well if you take just the 1 cap per day do it 2 hours pre gym so you get a better pump, but just cause it's a cap don't mean you can't split it up into 2 doses. Emplt the powder out onto a small piece of paper and then split it evenly into 2 lines then just scoop up the 1 line with something and dump it in your mouth with some water and then put the rest of the powder back in the cap for later that day.

It can be done, but is a total pain in the ass if you ask me. IMHO you should just do 50mg per day or 2 caps a day.

[pblade]

I suppose I can split it, and you are right it will be a pain in the ass. I wanted to see how I react to it, rather than having massive bloat with 50mg per day, and I am already running it mid cycle, so I thought I would get more bang out of a small dose.

What is your opinion stick with 25mg/day or 50mg/day? Also is it better to spread out the dose, will I have the same effects as one full dose for the day; massive pumps, lesser sides?

[dremen]

I suppose I can split it, and you are right it will be a pain in the ass. I wanted to see how I react to it, rather than having massive bloat with 50mg per day, and I am already running it mid cycle, so I thought I would get more bang out of a small dose.

What is your opinion stick with 25mg/day or 50mg/day? Also is it better to spread out the dose, will I have the same effects as one full dose for the day; massive pumps, lesser sides?

Well if you're worried about bloat lower your sodium intake a lot a that should help.

Try 50mgs per day with one in the am and one pre gym or when ever you want.

Not to be rude man, but it's just dbol not rocket science:p

If you feel 50mgs is to much then just drop the dose to 25mg/day.

Dbol is the shit man. Not only will your strenght go way up, but you will also get the "superman" feel most likely:)

Give er shit man and good luck.

[L3]

ive only taken it in a single dose, pre-workout, mid cycle... i enjoyed it other then when i got too pumped and couldn't hold the weights...30 mg was the max i would go

from a hormone fluctuation pov, it would make more sense to spread out the dose throughout the day as it does have a very short halflife...but that can be a pain in the ass unless you have tabs which are dosed low

[dremen]

ive only taken it in a single dose, pre-workout, mid cycle... i enjoyed it other then when i got too pumped and couldn't hold the weights...30 mg was the max i would go

from a hormone fluctuation pov, it would make more sense to spread out the dose throughout the day as it does have a very short halflife...but that can be a pain in the ass unless you have tabs which are dosed low

God racking the weights after deads or squats is the worst:(

[pblade]

I know I am overthinking this too much guys I assure you I won't keep asking this but I am just anxious with experimenting with dbol. I went out looking for gelatin capsules and couldn't find so it's okay to mix half the capsule in water and cap the other half. Now since it is my first time shall I just stick to 12.5mg twice a day (25mg) ? I have a bottle of 50 25mg caps shall I just run half the bottle and save the other half for another cycle or run 25mg for 7 weeks to finish it all? Will I just benefit from 25mg 4 weeks so the remaining few weeks the test can solidy my gains.

[dremen]

I know I am overthinking this too much guys I assure you I won't keep asking this but I am just anxious with experimenting with dbol. I went out looking for gelatin capsules and couldn't find so it's okay to mix half the capsule in water and cap the other half. Now since it is my first time shall I just stick to 12.5mg twice a day (25mg) ? I have a bottle of 50 25mg caps shall I just run half the bottle and save the other half for another cycle or run 25mg for 7 weeks to finish it all? Will I just benefit from 25mg 4 weeks so the remaining few weeks the test can solidy my gains.

Ok bro just take 1 cap a day for 50 days and enjoy......K?

Simple as that brudda;)

[juced_porkchop]

if it was me i would do it liek this:

wk1-12 TestE 500mg ew
wk1-6 30mg Dbol ed
wk14-18 PCT (nolva 20-30mg ed)
keep anti-E on hand incase needed

[L3]

run 25mgsm 1ce a day, for 4 weeks, 45 mins before your workout, on a empty stomach

[dremen]

if it was me i would do it liek this:

wk1-12 TestE 500mg ew
wk1-6 30mg Dbol ed
wk14-18 PCT (nolva 20-30mg ed)
keep anti-E on hand incase needed

Did you even bother to read this thread JP?

The guy has 25mg caps so saying 30mgs/ED is totaly irrelevant.

[Skyblob]

Did you even bother to read this thread JP?

The guy has 25mg caps so saying 30mgs/ED is totaly irrelevant.

Comon bro.. Its easy.. Take 1 pill and take another one and split the powder in 5 and there u go :)

Lol ! :P

[dremen]

Comon bro.. Its easy.. Take 1 pill and take another one and split the powder in 5 and there u go :)

Lol ! :P

He he funny.

Dude you have a great frame, but you need to post up a new avatar, kinda on the gay side bro;)

PEACE.

[Skyblob]

XD rofl !! Ight gonna post a new avatar with a chin strap and an earring with diamond on it =) Lol jk

[dremen]

XD rofl !! Ight gonna post a new avatar with a chin strap and an earring with diamond on it =) Lol jk

And you just happen to have this laying around huh....lol, Hmmmmm:)

You's a funny guy:D

[juced_porkchop]

i say wk1-6 dbol wk1-12 test but thats me

[juced_porkchop]

Did you even bother to read this thread JP?

The guy has 25mg caps so saying 30mgs/ED is totaly irrelevant.

i posted how i would run it.


BTW why are you still here?
i thought you where leaving.

all you do is talk shit and put in your worthlesss 2 cents in.

I have seen you on other boards and its the same thing.

your posts besides being annoying are just worthless.

do me a fav and dont reply to my posts or in my threads and ill just ignore you.
ifnot you would be surprized what I .. well nvm.
just dotn reply or post to me.

[Ritch]

^^^ I think that`s uncalled for. Dreman has not warranted anything lately that deserves that JP. Plus he`s started a good thread seeking how to maximize his physical potential and so far it`s going good with no flame wars...

[juced_porkchop]

well I took his post to me offensive and i have had a few with him already. he dont post to or abotu me and ill ignore him. if he keeps posting to with abotu me ill ... well.

i rather we just ignore eachother as there ALOT i want to say but rather not since I try not to say bad things in open

[dremen]

well I took his post to me offensive and i have had a few with him already. he dont post to or abotu me and ill ignore him. if he keeps posting to with abotu me ill ... well.

i rather we just ignore eachother as there ALOT i want to say but rather not since I try not to say bad things in open


You need to chill out brudda.

[pblade]

I just wanted to update guys. Today is my 7th day at 25mg day, and truthfully I notice no improved edge or strength in the gym. I have been taking 1 full 25mg/capsule 1-1.5hrs preworkout, and I would split the 25mg/capsule into two on off days. The reason I did this because I would of thought on workout days I would want to increase my protein synthesis higher after workout , and on off days since i'm not working out 2 doses throughout day to make protein synthesis constant. I am on test e 400mg/ weeks 1-10 and dbol 25mg weeks 4-8 hcg 250iu/2xweek and liquidex 0.5mg EOD. I am using a low dose since it is my first time and I thought it would more synergistic with test at it's peak. Is it too early to notice anything at 7 days, or to say dbol is fake?

[declan]

I just wanted to update guys. Today is my 7th day at 25mg day, and truthfully I notice no improved edge or strength in the gym. I have been taking 1 full 25mg/capsule 1-1.5hrs preworkout, and I would split the 25mg/capsule into two on off days. The reason I did this because I would of thought on workout days I would want to increase my protein synthesis higher after workout , and on off days since i'm not working out 2 doses throughout day to make protein synthesis constant. I am on test e 400mg/ weeks 1-10 and dbol 25mg weeks 4-8 hcg 250iu/2xweek and liquidex 0.5mg EOD. I am using a low dose since it is my first time and I thought it would more synergistic with test at it's peak. Is it too early to notice anything at 7 days, or to say dbol is fake?

Usually a week is enough for me to notice sudden bloat/increased water retention but it might be different with you. Since you are using adex, it might also be a factor. Wait another week and see how it goes. Everyone's response is different on orals some respond, some don't, you just have to experiment what works for you.

[pblade]

I had a suspicion the liquidex might be interfering with something, shall i wait another few days rather than upping my dose? Could it be my dosing method that is affecting it or not a concern at all? I am taking a full 25mg cap pre workout on workout days, and split into two doses on off days.

[L3]

take a week off the adex, try upping the dbol dose for a few days... if you dont notice anything @50mg a day + no adex, then your gear is bunk IMO

[PdH]

take a week off the adex, try upping the dbol dose for a few days... if you dont notice anything @50mg a day + no adex, then your gear is bunk IMO

Agreed. If you've got good dbol you should feel it 3 or 4 days. Pink thais or blue hearts are the best way to go.

[pblade]

I lowered my liquidex dose from 0.5mg EOD to 0.35mg EOD, and i've been splitting my 25mg dbol capsule into 2 doses a day so 12.5mg each. Today is the 13th day and I felt much better during my workout, I notice I felt it and was pounding a lot more reps and felt more confidence than usual, however I loved the feeling in the start then I felt like 2/3 of the way during my workout it started wearing off, but in general I felt good none the less. Shall I consider splitting another capsule in half and take 12.5mg 3x a day totaling to 37.5mg/day, or it is still too early at 25mg/day to notice a big effect, and my strength and workouts will improve further from here on then? Will I notice a bigger kick if i just take a full 25mg/capsule pre-workout, continue with my protocol and be patient for more effect, or 12.5mg 3x a day?