Starting Sh*t with Bouncers

[Gemini]

Whenever I got out to bars recently there is always some drunk punk who is starting shit with the bouncers right before leaving the place. I personally think it's some sort of frustration they're trying to let out since they didn't leave with any phone numbers. They always start crap right before leaving outside also because they know they wouldn't stand a chance inside the bar.

Last month, these two guys before leaving were giving shit to the bouncers because they weren't doing their job to help their buddy who was supposedly getting roughed up inside. They told the bouncers they had guns while they were walking away and talking some more crap in somalian I couldn't understand.

I was thinking about being a bouncer but this job seems way too hard when shit comes around. Also I don't think I would had the patience to verbally defuse the situation before it escalates into something worse. I have a tendency to lose my cool quite quickly, I would just punch any punk giving me a hard time and than probably get stabbed by one of their 12 cousins.

I have to admit though I did see a similar situation to this one inside a club in Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKeV_FIthUc Don't know who's in the wrong but the bouncers seem to be using a bit of excessive force. Can't blame em though.

[PdH]

Tough job with the only real benefits being access to a lot of hotties. I did it my 20s when I was on test susp I can say the ability to control my rage became an issue. Young males do really stupid shit when they're drinking in groups and around women. I suppose older guys do to, but I never had any problems with them. That was long before people starting shooting and stabbing each other on a whim though. I think about doing it again on occasion for shits and giggles and then I remember the stupidty, and worst of all, drunk people coming to have a conversation with you and spewing spittle on your face while they talk. Disgusting. I'll stick with teaching and marking.

[L3]

not worth it IMO
stick your neck out for some coke dealin club owner, no thnx

[Canadian Protein.com]

I used to bounce and I can tell you that a lot of people carry weapons on them all the time and know a TON of people that carry guns and will fire them. So, now I would say starting shit with anybody you feel isn't smart. I've had a few very good friends get murdered this way because the other guy thought it was tough to pop off!

Second, for the money you make and sh*t I had to deal with (bottles smashed in the head, getting jumped by 10 guys, stabbed with anything they can get, death threats, getting your car f&%$ed up, people following you) it's not worth it.

I ended up working the door and that was better money because you can slip people in, but you also don't have the rest of your crew to help you out if something happens.

It seams like the times are a little different from when I did it. Back in the day I saw very few guns being pulled out and some knives, but not what I hear about now.

The best money I made bouncing was when I would work for a few clubs in south west, west, and east side of Detroit. I worked with one the toughest guys I've ever met bouncing on this side of the boarder and he would go to the states and do it for the money and I wanted to see what it was all about. $300-$400 per night...but let me tell you...that was NO F%$#ing joke and the money was so good because no one wanted to do it.

The last night I worked over there, my buddy got into an altercation with some gang members, got stabbed in the leg and sliced open is artery, and caught a bullet in the shoulder, and had a bottle smashed in his face and he lost his left eye. That was my last night bouncing over there.

IMO, not work it, especially nowadays.

[Gemini]

good post TS, I'd love to hear more anecdotes like these. Must have been through more than one rough night bouncing in Detroit.

[tex]

I work security at a club and enjoy it. The money is good where I work and we have a dress code that keeps the gangsters and douchebags out. Fights are pretty rare.... mostly have to kick out ppl that are over-intoxicated and its generally not a problem.....Ive only been punched once and it was by a woman.....and she ended up kicking a cop in the nuts and went to jail for the night.....

[#8]

solution = gay bar

i have worked security at a gay bar before as a favour to a friend and it was hilarious some of the shit i saw. i was checking a guys bag once and he had an (unused) fleshlight inside. pretty funny crowd to watch get drunk and sloppy. lots of hot girls there too because they feel way more comfortable dancing around guys that are not a threat to them. i used to get hit on by cougars and young girls all night long. pretty classic.

[Bowlcut]

Gem are you in Ottawa? I heard Somali and that's what came to find.

Hockey Monster is right about the gay bars. I went with some hot broads a few years back and was offered a job. Bouncing aint my thing or else I would have considered it as mentioned before straight chicks in MTL love to go to gay bars and get sloppy.

[Ritch]

My situation is kind of like Tex`s. The place I work at has a dress code and very strict search of which I never hear the end of from bitching clients. But when you have a dress code, it does mean the people comming in have $$$ and the attitude they can give you is just unreal. Or some ****er who thinks he`s king shit and tries to get their friends in and say "It`s ok, he`s with me" No matter how many times I hear this it pisses me off. I just calmly reply, " and who are you?" Sorry buddy, you gotta pay...


This guy once pushed the girl aside who does search thinking he could just walk through saying " It`s ok, I have a table" That ****er got a beating outside, his belt was taken off, and he was beaten with it. But the absolute worst is not the guys it`s the ****ing drunk ****s. They become just plain evil. I hate drunk women. The only time I ever got hit, it was by a woman. As I was throwing her out, her hands became free and the dumb twat smacked me in the face. I swear it still pisses me off to this day when I think about it.

Or this, as you`re kicking out some girl`s boyfriend, the whole time like a fly on shit she`s attacking you... Then as you grab her, and I mean GRAB her and throw her stupid ass out, she`s like " you can`t touch me, I`m a girl " Whatever toots...

I always have a few to burn down after a shift...

But yeah, the dumb asses who didn`t get pussy always try to start shit with you. And the annoying cocksuckers who won`t leave when they have their coats are walking a thin line... "I`m just waiting for my friend" They always say... Gonna have to wait outside. So you ask him politely and they don`t move. So you start to push them out and they always yelling " Hey don`t push me"

I could go on for many, many paragraphs...

[rob66679]

Interesting thread guys.
I did it for a year, and it almost ruined drinking for me. Alcohol can bring out the worst in some people.
IMHO.... Great for a single guy, tons of available women.
The down side..... There are times when things will get rough, guys will wait outside or follow you, you will have to defend yourself.
There is also the possibility of catching a lawsuit/criminal charge.... Use of force is a fine line sometimes. Some people will actually try to provoke a beating to make a few bucks.
And if you work somewhere with no metal detectors...lol.... you never really know what your getting into.
Probably depends a lot on the bar, and the attitude of management.

Worth it for the women, thats about it.

[tiramisu]

To be a good doorman you have to be a talker. If you are a bouncer the job is just going to suck. If you are a talker and you know your regulars the job can be almost tolerable. I'm not a talker. I'd rather just sit at the bar and play backgammon and drink coffee with the owner than do crowd control.

[Ritch]

^^^ Bingo, all about the verbal approach. The best guys are taking care of business and you could never tell.

[Gemini]

Gem are you in Ottawa? I heard Somali and that's what came to find.

Hockey Monster is right about the gay bars. I went with some hot broads a few years back and was offered a job. Bouncing aint my thing or else I would have considered it as mentioned before straight chicks in MTL love to go to gay bars and get sloppy.

lol yes I'm from Ottawa, but that was actually at an MTL club. They weren't actually Somalian but that's what I refer to when I hear someone talking "Ebonics". They were probably Haitian are something, either way I couldn't understand a word they were saying. All I heard is We got guns man, BRAAP BRAPP or something like that.

[Gemini]

To be a good doorman you have to be a talker. If you are a bouncer the job is just going to suck. If you are a talker and you know your regulars the job can be almost tolerable. I'm not a talker. I'd rather just sit at the bar and play backgammon and drink coffee with the owner than do crowd control.

This bouncer seems to be a good talker lol: :laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfetF1jCO4

[RagingRandy]

solution = gay bar

i have worked security at a gay bar before as a favour to a friend and it was hilarious some of the shit i saw. i was checking a guys bag once .....

I am sure no one is surprised.

[BBbox]

solution = gay bar

i have worked security at a gay bar before as a favour to a friend and it was hilarious some of the shit i saw. i was checking a guys bag once and he had an (unused) fleshlight inside. pretty funny crowd to watch get drunk and sloppy. lots of hot girls there too because they feel way more comfortable dancing around guys that are not a threat to them. i used to get hit on by cougars and young girls all night long. pretty classic.

Being one of the only straight guys there would be a HUGE advantage too! How many ladies did you end up wheeling?

[cog]

In the seventies in Montreal it was bad for bouncers.All the commerce....bouncers would be found just outside the door, one in the gut,one in the head...nobody saw anything.Very common.

[Bowlcut]

lol yes I'm from Ottawa, but that was actually at an MTL club. They weren't actually Somalian but that's what I refer to when I hear someone talking "Ebonics". They were probably Haitian are something, either way I couldn't understand a word they were saying. All I heard is We got guns man, BRAAP BRAPP or something like that.

Sadly MTL is full of some real g-units, but thank God they are too poor to live where I do.

What club was it if you don't mind me asking?

[Gemini]

Sadly MTL is full of some real g-units, but thank God they are too poor to live where I do.

What club was it if you don't mind me asking?

LaBoom. You probably know where it is, since it's the club attached to Chez Pare.

[daande]

I have to admit though I did see a similar situation to this one inside a club in Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKeV_FIthUc Don't know who's in the wrong but the bouncers seem to be using a bit of excessive force. Can't blame em though.

What a bunch of dirty ****ing N I G G E R S making $10 an hour and are super hard for fighting a guy 8 on 1. ****ing gross.

[Bowlcut]

LaBoom. You probably know where it is, since it's the club attached to Chez Pare.

I know it. Are you going to take the job?

[Gemini]

I know it. Are you going to take the job?

What do you mean take the job, I thought we were talking about the place where I saw two black men threatening the bouncers they had guns.

[pw154]

I bounced at a couple of bars a few years ago. Meh. Cool experience but not really worth the time/risk.

The best places to bounce at are STRIP CLUBS. You'll see a lot less fights and less problems than at bars/clubs. Staring at naked women all night is a plus too. Most guys that I know who work strip clubs have ran through most of the strippers in the place.

[cog]

Would be ok if they could actually dance.A lot of rubbers.

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

Whenever I got out to bars recently there is always some drunk punk who is starting shit with the bouncers right before leaving the place. I personally think it's some sort of frustration they're trying to let out since they didn't leave with any phone numbers. They always start crap right before leaving outside also because they know they wouldn't stand a chance inside the bar.

Last month, these two guys before leaving were giving shit to the bouncers because they weren't doing their job to help their buddy who was supposedly getting roughed up inside. They told the bouncers they had guns while they were walking away and talking some more crap in somalian I couldn't understand.

I was thinking about being a bouncer but this job seems way too hard when shit comes around. Also I don't think I would had the patience to verbally defuse the situation before it escalates into something worse. I have a tendency to lose my cool quite quickly, I would just punch any punk giving me a hard time and than probably get stabbed by one of their 12 cousins.

I have to admit though I did see a similar situation to this one inside a club in Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKeV_FIthUc Don't know who's in the wrong but the bouncers seem to be using a bit of excessive force. Can't blame em though.

just watched that video and in the comments it says they all got fired and they should have !!



TVG

[Bowlcut]

What do you mean take the job, I thought we were talking about the place where I saw two black men threatening the bouncers they had guns.

It aint like that all the time. Usually La Boom does events for all of the different universities so you would have to deal with drunk 18 year old skanks.

Get a job at a country bar. G-units don't like steel guitars.

[19inchCannons]

can you get a securities license if you have assault charges pending? I recently had the displeasure of being assaulted by a group of bouncers who thought I was drunk, and I was dead sober because I don't drink and knocked all 3 of them out cold. Student bars...go figure.

[rob66679]

can you get a securities license if you have assault charges pending? I recently had the displeasure of being assaulted by a group of bouncers who thought I was drunk, and I was dead sober because I don't drink and knocked all 3 of them out cold. Student bars...go figure.

How'd you get the charges if you were the one assaulted?
I'd have to guess a big no on that one.... If you get convicted.... Thats probably the biggest reason bouncers/doormen are being required to be licenced.

[19inchCannons]

How'd you get the charges if you were the one assaulted?
I'd have to guess a big no on that one.... If you get convicted.... Thats probably the biggest reason bouncers/doormen are being required to be licenced.

Well what happened was that my friend, his girlfriend, and I were standing in the bar, and out of nowhere some guy grabbed me by the neck from behind. I thought it was one of my buddies at first playing a joke on me, until my buddy's girlfriend got put in a headlock too. Next thing I know 3 guys are on me and I'm in a doorway getting punched in the jaw. So naturally my first reaction was to hit back. I guess they didn't expect that, and I did more damage than I intended to. It was a student bar, so they tried to charge me with public intoxication and took me to jail for the night. Next day I got let go and 3 days later I got a call from the cops to come get my papers. Apparently 3 bouncers came in and pressed charges. They tried to say I was drunk but I fought the ticket and the judge was on my side because they didn't breathalize me so that was dropped in court last week. So now I just have 3 assault charges pending. Had to get a lawyer and stuff. Pretty crappy deal. Just really unlucky I guess because I never go out and never drink. I was thinking maybe the guys that worked there had a problem with me or something because I was so big (about 280 at the time of the incident) and they tried to prove themselves to the bar boss because they are all young guys too... I really don't know. I have thought of everything already.
Anyway sorry to hijack the thread!

[RagingRandy]

^^^^Go to the JP and asked to have them charged. Usually what will happen is the crown will drop one case if the other is dropped. You may want to ask your lawyer about that maneuver. Not sure if PDH can shed any light on this.

[PdH]

The only light I can shed at this point is there is not enough factual info to shed any light. It actually sounds a little sketchy to me. I can't really envision bouncers jumping patrons simply standing there. I also can't see them trying to prove themselves to the bar boss when you consider the issue of vicarious liability. Doesn't make much sense to me. I'm sure his lawyer will sort it out when he gets disclosure.

The crown doesn't usually withdraw charges if they can get a conviction.

[19inchCannons]

The only light I can shed at this point is there is not enough factual info to shed any light. It actually sounds a little sketchy to me. I can't really envision bouncers jumping patrons simply standing there. I also can't see them trying to prove themselves to the bar boss when you consider the issue of vicarious liability. Doesn't make much sense to me. I'm sure his lawyer will sort it out when he gets disclosure.

The crown doesn't usually withdraw charges if they can get a conviction.

That's what I thought too. It is really sketchy. I thought maybe they had mixed me up with someone else that made trouble at the bar before. Something like that maybe. I know one of the guys that works there and he said the guy that grabbed me by the neck from behind without saying anything does it all the time to patrons and still does it to this day. Its a university bar and I'm just a student so I guess maybe sometimes other kids make lots of trouble and its with due cause. It really doesn't make sense, but I will have to deal with it this summer. It will be a good learning experience for me, if nothing else. And definitely a deterrent from ever going to the bar again. Lesson learned and goes to show that God has a plan for everyone.

[Gilmour]

That's what I thought too. It is really sketchy. I thought maybe they had mixed me up with someone else that made trouble at the bar before. Something like that maybe. I know one of the guys that works there and he said the guy that grabbed me by the neck from behind without saying anything does it all the time to patrons and still does it to this day. Its a university bar and I'm just a student so I guess maybe sometimes other kids make lots of trouble and its with due cause. It really doesn't make sense, but I will have to deal with it this summer. It will be a good learning experience for me, if nothing else. And definitely a deterrent from ever going to the bar again. Lesson learned and goes to show that God has a plan for everyone.


The last line of your paragraph is uttlerly retarded. What is goes to show is that there are assholes in this world and shit happens. God had nothing to do with you getting assaulted.

[rob66679]

Well what happened was that my friend, his girlfriend, and I were standing in the bar, and out of nowhere some guy grabbed me by the neck from behind. I thought it was one of my buddies at first playing a joke on me, until my buddy's girlfriend got put in a headlock too. Next thing I know 3 guys are on me and I'm in a doorway getting punched in the jaw. So naturally my first reaction was to hit back. I guess they didn't expect that, and I did more damage than I intended to. It was a student bar, so they tried to charge me with public intoxication and took me to jail for the night. Next day I got let go and 3 days later I got a call from the cops to come get my papers. Apparently 3 bouncers came in and pressed charges. They tried to say I was drunk but I fought the ticket and the judge was on my side because they didn't breathalize me so that was dropped in court last week. So now I just have 3 assault charges pending. Had to get a lawyer and stuff. Pretty crappy deal. Just really unlucky I guess because I never go out and never drink. I was thinking maybe the guys that worked there had a problem with me or something because I was so big (about 280 at the time of the incident) and they tried to prove themselves to the bar boss because they are all young guys too... I really don't know. I have thought of everything already.
Anyway sorry to hijack the thread!

They really wouldn't have much of a case for public intoxication, seeing as they were serving the booze. Trying to get you ticketed for that is basicly admitting they overserved you, or let you enter while intoxicated.
Either way, they would be responsible/liable.
They do have the right to ask you to leave under the protection of property act, and you can be charged for refusing to leave a licenced establishment.

IMHO.... The last thing most bar owners want to see is use of force. Its a massive liability issue. Most would be really pissed about their guys using force for no reason...... I've already said it, but if you want to make a few $$$ go up to the toughest bouncer in your area, bring a few witness, and call him a dick. If he hits you, you're gonna make some $$$ from the bars insurance, and the bouncers gonna be looking for work.

One other issue... Did the bar have security cameras? Get your Lawyer to find out. If so, they're either going to help you or totally sink you.

IMHO.... I'm gonna try talking to the 280 lb guy first, unless he did something so stupid or ignorant he needs to be gone 30 seconds ago IE assault a staff member, mouth off at the owner ETC...... 280 lbs guy had to much I'm gonna give him 10 minutes to finish his drink, and be nice about it lol.
Obviously your friend at the bar knows the bouncers side if their pressing charges, ask him why they threw you out.

[19inchCannons]

They really wouldn't have much of a case for public intoxication, seeing as they were serving the booze. Trying to get you ticketed for that is basicly admitting they overserved you, or let you enter while intoxicated.
Either way, they would be responsible/liable.
They do have the right to ask you to leave under the protection of property act, and you can be charged for refusing to leave a licenced establishment.

IMHO.... The last thing most bar owners want to see is use of force. Its a massive liability issue. Most would be really pissed about their guys using force for no reason...... I've already said it, but if you want to make a few $$$ go up to the toughest bouncer in your area, bring a few witness, and call him a dick. If he hits you, you're gonna make some $$$ from the bars insurance, and the bouncers gonna be looking for work.

One other issue... Did the bar have security cameras? Get your Lawyer to find out. If so, they're either going to help you or totally sink you.

IMHO.... I'm gonna try talking to the 280 lb guy first, unless he did something so stupid or ignorant he needs to be gone 30 seconds ago IE assault a staff member, mouth off at the owner ETC...... 280 lbs guy had to much I'm gonna give him 10 minutes to finish his drink, and be nice about it lol.
Obviously your friend at the bar knows the bouncers side if their pressing charges, ask him why they threw you out.


I asked my friend and he said they don't have cameras.

If someone would have told me to leave, I would have left. Nobody introduced themselves as security and/or attempted to speak with me. I was pretty much yanked out. The bouncers at the bar are pretty big guys too. They work out at the school gym and used to say hi to me and my training partner, but they don't anymore. I guess they're scared of me now. Haaha.

[19inchCannons]

The last line of your paragraph is uttlerly retarded. What is goes to show is that there are assholes in this world and shit happens. God had nothing to do with you getting assaulted.

Agreed, but it could have been a sign! :greet

[Boomer]

Having done the job for years.....
Security is security whether its at a bar, in a hotel, or where ever....the rules still apply...
Bouncers MUST identify themselfves before laying hands on you....
There is something called the Force Continum that must be followed.....grabbing someone around the neck before trying the holds and locks and other less violent methods DOES constitute Excessive Force and the bouncers can be charged....same thing as police going to batons/spray/taser....ya gotta try everything else before you go for those options...and the "choke hold" or "neck retraint" falls into that very catagory.....as long as they aren't getting "assaultive" and just mouthy, the most a bouncer/security can do is what is refered to as "soft techniques"....a gentle push, direction with hands on them...i.e. come this way please with a hand on the back etc...only when they resist AFTER being directed by pulling away, etc can the bouncer apply "empty hand techniques", i.e locks, holds, etc.
ONLY when there is the threat of grevious bodily harm or death, can a hold like a choke or neck restraint be applied....
That also applies to the cops who seem to like to yank the taser whenever someone gets a little out of hand.....same rules apply, badge or not.
That being said, its all in the way you articulate after the incdient as well....
As long as you can back up what you did via training and be able to prove it....with documentation...

[Gemini]

Well what happened was that my friend, his girlfriend, and I were standing in the bar, and out of nowhere some guy grabbed me by the neck from behind. I thought it was one of my buddies at first playing a joke on me, until my buddy's girlfriend got put in a headlock too. Next thing I know 3 guys are on me and I'm in a doorway getting punched in the jaw. So naturally my first reaction was to hit back. I guess they didn't expect that, and I did more damage than I intended to. It was a student bar, so they tried to charge me with public intoxication and took me to jail for the night. Next day I got let go and 3 days later I got a call from the cops to come get my papers. Apparently 3 bouncers came in and pressed charges. They tried to say I was drunk but I fought the ticket and the judge was on my side because they didn't breathalize me so that was dropped in court last week. So now I just have 3 assault charges pending. Had to get a lawyer and stuff. Pretty crappy deal. Just really unlucky I guess because I never go out and never drink. I was thinking maybe the guys that worked there had a problem with me or something because I was so big (about 280 at the time of the incident) and they tried to prove themselves to the bar boss because they are all young guys too... I really don't know. I have thought of everything already.
Anyway sorry to hijack the thread!

Something very similar happened to me in a bar 2 years ago. Got grabbed from behind, thought for a second that it was my buddy kidding around. The guy was chocking way too hard to be kidding around so I tried to look around and saw the same bouncer who had been staring me down all night. The bouncer led me to the exit and some other bouncer told him what the hell he was doing holding me by the neck, he simply took my arms from behind and told me to leave.

That was 2 years ago and I wasn't nearly big as I am right now. To this day, I have no idea why this bouncer choked me I'm guessing he simply didn't like the fact I was talking to so many girls all night. I went there with my buddy with the only intention of getting as many phone numbers as possible, whenever I was talking to a girl this bouncer was staring me down. I'm guessing that huge pussy bouncer didn't like the fact he wasn't the alpha-male or something.

[VINZI]

Agreed, but it could have been a sign! :greet

lol..you can't be serious..so are you saying the when Gilmour's old man lighted on fire little Gilmys guitar when he was 12, it was God trying to tell little Gilmour "quit playing guitars and put your mind on something else ,you untalented homo" ???

[19inchCannons]

lol..you can't be serious..so are you saying the when Gilmour's old man lighted on fire little Gilmys guitar when he was 12, it was God trying to tell little Gilmour "quit playing guitars and put your mind on something else ,you untalented homo" ???

geez you guys take everything so literally around here huh? picking on the new guy! Hahaha. I'm sure God had nothing to do with it. What I meant that its definitely a sign that I shouldn't be going to the bars in my town. Not that I do anyway, so I guess its more of an affirmation. Guelph has a well known bouncer with inflated ego problem. I used to work at one of the bars and most of my guys tried to pull the same crap on patrons. Sad thing is that I specifically went to the bar that this happened at because I thought this type of thing would not happen there. Everyone said it was so nice and mellow all the time, and I figured half the guys working there must know who I am. Not that I am a celebrity or anything, I just stick out in a crowd. On that note, I will leave for my evening cardio. Good day.:a+

[rob66679]

Something very similar happened to me in a bar 2 years ago. Got grabbed from behind, thought for a second that it was my buddy kidding around. The guy was chocking way too hard to be kidding around so I tried to look around and saw the same bouncer who had been staring me down all night. The bouncer led me to the exit and some other bouncer told him what the hell he was doing holding me by the neck, he simply took my arms from behind and told me to leave.

That was 2 years ago and I wasn't nearly big as I am right now. To this day, I have no idea why this bouncer choked me I'm guessing he simply didn't like the fact I was talking to so many girls all night. I went there with my buddy with the only intention of getting as many phone numbers as possible, whenever I was talking to a girl this bouncer was staring me down. I'm guessing that huge pussy bouncer didn't like the fact he wasn't the alpha-male or something.

Or possibly you were hitting on girls that had their boyfriends present.
More fights start over women than anything else, its pretty much the same everywhere.

[Big D]

Or possibly you were hitting on girls that had their boyfriends present.
More fights start over women than anything else, its pretty much the same everywhere.

ding ding ... I say 90% of fights are over girls

[beserker]

Old post but heres my bouncing story.... bounced for a few years when the rig was shut down and one night we were trying to control a huge brawl just outside the bar , i has one guy pinned against the fence when some douchebag decided to sucker punch him and ko'd the dude. Low and behold police show up and the guy i was controlling told the cops i was the one that hit him...****ing drunken idiot. Anyhow i get charged with assault blah blah. The kid that got punched was with a bunch of his friends and i contacted them to see if they would testify that i didnt hit him...they all agreed :) Eventually the kid went to the police and had the false charges dropped but the prosecutor still has the charges pending....****ING JOKE. Bouncing = not worth it at all (unless youre looking for cheap sluts:))

[Ritch]

^^^ Where I work, what happens outside the bar does not concern us. Call the cops and let them handle it.

[cog]

Or possibly you were hitting on girls that had their boyfriends present.
More fights start over women than anything else, its pretty much the same everywhere.

Did these chicks have their bf's name on their jeans?

[Bowlcut]

^^^ Where I work, what happens outside the bar does not concern us. Call the cops and let them handle it.

Shitty thing happens when people blame what goes on outside of the club on people inside like the stabbing awhile back.

Do you even let people from Montreal-Nord into your joint?

[Ritch]

Shitty thing happens when people blame what goes on outside of the club on people inside like the stabbing awhile back.

Do you even let people from Montreal-Nord into your joint?

We luckily have 3 main guys outsied who know who`s who. So you could say some guys from up north are let in ( I`m just guessing here as they look the part, but dosen`t mean they do ) and most the time they behave well. We have some other well respected big guys upstairs who know them as well. It`s always assuring to see guys who you see as potential shit starters slapping hands with some of our main guys. So if they respect them, they respect the rest of us as well.

So this is where the "they protect the invincibles" sayings come from when shit happnes. But what do you expect us to do if a fight happens? They`re friends with almost all the guys, so if anybody is going to get kicked out, it`s the "other guys". But it has happened where the "invincibles" do get thrown out as well.

The stabbing that happened a while back wasen`t even between 2 groups of guys who were inside. Some guys got thrown out, and some random guys passed by and did what he did. I`m 90% sure that`s the story. One thing I can guarantee you is that nobody was let in the club with knives, so the guys who were in the club did not have weapons. Which explains how they got stabbed by some randoms. There is a serious pat down and metal detectors before getting in.

[Victor85]

Bouncing nowadays is some dangerous work. My current job requires me to do security in a bar connected to the hotel I work in. Last month some "homeboy" loser smash a beer bottle across my fore head. Had to get stiches for that. In the last 6 years I have had knifes and bats pulled on me. Have had over 50 altercations with the police always being involved. Then to boot, I have had "beefs" with people who didint like the fact that they got bounced out of the bar and they take it personaly.

;)I am just waiting to get my diploma this June and then I can ditch my current job.

[guest]

hats off to you bouncers, i wouldn't last in that line of work.

[Bowlcut]

We luckily have 3 main guys outsied who know who`s who. So you could say some guys from up north are let in ( I`m just guessing here as they look the part, but dosen`t mean they do ) and most the time they behave well. We have some other well respected big guys upstairs who know them as well. It`s always assuring to see guys who you see as potential shit starters slapping hands with some of our main guys. So if they respect them, they respect the rest of us as well.

So this is where the "they protect the invincibles" sayings come from when shit happnes. But what do you expect us to do if a fight happens? They`re friends with almost all the guys, so if anybody is going to get kicked out, it`s the "other guys". But it has happened where the "invincibles" do get thrown out as well.

The stabbing that happened a while back wasen`t even between 2 groups of guys who were inside. Some guys got thrown out, and some random guys passed by and did what he did. I`m 90% sure that`s the story. One thing I can guarantee you is that nobody was let in the club with knives, so the guys who were in the club did not have weapons. Which explains how they got stabbed by some randoms. There is a serious pat down and metal detectors before getting in.

I remember you saying that the media had no clue about what really happened and it was some random douches just there.

Now on a more serious who gets to pat down all of the salops?

[Ritch]

Now on a more serious who gets to pat down all of the salops?

Ha ha ha... It`s best to have a guy and a girl doing search and that`s what we have. I`ve done search for brief moments and it sucks, but that job does have it`s perks...

[warlock]

I used to bartend and I got a death treat during a NYE party.

I quit that club, went to a gay bar looking for a bartending gig and I was offered a security job: No thanks!, you never know where the lightning boat will strike.

A friend that had 30 years experience as a cop was offered many times to be the head bouncer in various clubs (in Brazil) his answer was always the same: not worth it, too dangerous, intoxicated 18 yo think that they can do anything and when you mix drugs and alcohol they do it!

[andrewT]

bringing this one back from the dead

how big do you have to be to get in as a bouncer? or is it just about "looking" intimdating?

also what is the pay like. Just looking to make some extra money on the side

[vakker]

bringing this one back from the dead

how big do you have to be to get in as a bouncer? or is it just about "looking" intimdating?

also what is the pay like. Just looking to make some extra money on the side

You have to be bulletproof for it to be worth any extra money. Did you not read any of the posts?

[andrewT]

You have to be bulletproof for it to be worth any extra money. Did you not read any of the posts?

yes I did but I am still just curious

I have had alot of run ins with people using weapons and on me as well. I have my fair share, obviously not invincible. I am also a black belt in shotokan.

I am a student so jobs with night hours are great for me. Being a security guard is just plain boring. Uppidy places can't be too bad right?

[vakker]

. Uppidy places can't be too bad right?

enjoy the stabbing, pepper spraying and or shooting.

[andrewT]

enjoy the stabbing, pepper spraying and or shooting.

jesus

i guess asking 2 general questions about it was a bad idea.

[macka]

Honestly it depends on where you work. A buddy of mine works strip clubs, but only in the outlying areas, not downtown TO. Niagara Falls is a money hole but you have to put up with sloppy drunk Yanks.

[ubcpower]

most legit strip clubs and night clubs will make you get your security license now. They generally pay 15-20$/hour. Being large is an asset for getting you hired but so is being articulate and being able to talk and socialize as thats the best way to deter incidents when bouncing.

[gicantor]

enjoy the stabbing, pepper spraying and or shooting.

In the movies. In reality that doesn't happen.......often. Of all the bouncers I know only one has ever been gang beat and he deserved it for acting like it was his club and mouthing off to everyone.

It's all in how you act. Don't act like a powertrippin douche and you'll be fine.

[Knuckles28]

It's all in how you act. Don't act like a powertrippin douche and you'll be fine.

werd, i work at a local club here on weekends. They pay me in cash each night, usually works out too $15 an hour. Size can help but there's always the little guy drunk on pints of courage that get's mouthy usually with the bigger bouncer's.

The owners son and 2 of his buddy's are more or less plain clothes bouncers unoffically lol so all i have too do is check ID. Leave the BS too them since they enjoy it so much. :popc2

[vakker]

In the movies. In reality that doesn't happen.......often. Of all the bouncers I know only one has ever been gang beat and he deserved it for acting like it was his club and mouthing off to everyone.

It's all in how you act. Don't act like a powertrippin douche and you'll be fine.

IN reality, its all true. Never seen one get shot but I've seen guns pulled, seen lots stabbed and more than a few pepper sprayed.

[rob66679]

IN reality, its all true. Never seen one get shot but I've seen guns pulled, seen lots stabbed and more than a few pepper sprayed.

Agreed.

Great job for a young single guy with not much to lose.... thats about it.

Depends on where you work, and the mentality of the owner IE what he will put up with to make a $$$, and what kind of crowd he's going for.
If you work in a place where theres shady shit happening ( which is most places IMHO ) and he's basically selling drinks to drunks, have fun.

Look back at what everybody has posted in this thread, and think about it.
The only good thing about it is the women, thats it.
And it comes with a price.

[andrewT]

IN reality, its all true. Never seen one get shot but I've seen guns pulled, seen lots stabbed and more than a few pepper sprayed.

agreed. shit probably happens more often than it doesn't


Agreed.

Great job for a young single guy with not much to lose.... thats about it.

Depends on where you work, and the mentality of the owner IE what he will put up with to make a $$$, and what kind of crowd he's going for.
If you work in a place where theres shady shit happening ( which is most places IMHO ) and he's basically selling drinks to drunks, have fun.

Look back at what everybody has posted in this thread, and think about it.
The only good thing about it is the women, thats it.
And it comes with a price.

cool.

just wanted to see. Yesterday night i went to this ritzy sports bar in the middle of the burbs. Its more of like a family place, but with bouncers after 10 and its quite laid back. But then again, the "local" club has had 2 stabbings in the last month.

I was just curious, mainly about size, and mainly about pay (assuming pay would be good due to the risks)

[rob66679]

agreed. shit probably happens more often than it doesn't



cool.

just wanted to see. Yesterday night i went to this ritzy sports bar in the middle of the burbs. Its more of like a family place, but with bouncers after 10 and its quite laid back. But then again, the "local" club has had 2 stabbings in the last month.

I was just curious, mainly about size, and mainly about pay (assuming pay would be good due to the risks)

Size wise, I was around 210 @ 5'10 when i did it...... and I can tell you first hand that I got way more lip than the 300 lbs guys I worked with lol.
Age has a lot to do with it too, IMHO the younger you are the less likely a problem patron is to see you as an authority figure..... If you're a young guy, and not particularly big, expect guys to test you. I personally had way more problems with the guys old enough to be my Dad than the younger crowd.
As far as the guy that said all you have to do is not act like a powertrippin douche, well...... Theres people who think they have the right to drink till they puke on the floor..... theres people who think because they bought a drink they can take it outside with them, or stay way past closing to finish it..... theres people who think its cool to molest the waitress..... theres 20 year olds who figure because they're a year past legal, you should be able to tell by looking and asking for an ID makes you an asshole.... Bottom line is theres a lot of inconsiderate assholes out there, and booze doesn't make their reasoning any better.
You can't always reason with a drunk.


Cash wise, it's gonna vary a lot... Only way to know what you're gonna get in your area is to ask someone in your area.
I don't think you're gonna make great $$$ anywhere though...... Looking back at it, the girls were the best part of it.
Access to the Bartenders, you will get to know the regulars...... for whatever reason once you're working in the bar you'll seem more aproachable to girls..... trust me, read the whole thread lol.......

[BDH]

Rob hit the nail on the head... definitely, keeping your wits about you and staying rational is the best way to deal, but you will often find it an exercise in futility... the first bar I worked at, we had to really rough someone up every couple of weeks in order to keep the rest in check...
Now, I talk... if I can't talk anymore, I let someone else be the tough guy, until I am needed. Too old to be showing up at the hospital at 3am for hand xrays or to patch up a wound...
The pay can be alright, as long as the owner "lets" you get away with the "one, two, skip a few" game at the door... but, only one bar out of around 30 I've worked at actually had a boss who gave a shit about us, so best of luck not getting shafted...
Expect things like "well, it's not really busy tonight... go home" with no pay, "stay for an hour after close to help with clean up", etc...
Not all bars are like that, just every one I've ever worked at.
If you're an ass hound, it's the job for you, though...

[beserker]

For me it was THE most stressful job ever. I dont really enjoy fighting and the bar i worked at it was a daily thing. We once had a huge brawl in the front , lots of punches and chokes thrown , broken orbital bones , people laying outside in a pool of blood (neither of these was ours) ....all for what ? Shitty money , elevated blood pressure and constant stress , none the less worried about getting shot , stabbed etc..... 4 bars here now have an i.d. scanning machine , thats a step in the right direction anyhow as it will have a data base of all the douchebags who start shit....

[Mr Ontario]

What old man says here.... diffuse if at all possible :)


Rob hit the nail on the head... definitely, keeping your wits about you and staying rational is the best way to deal, but you will often find it an exercise in futility... the first bar I worked at, we had to really rough someone up every couple of weeks in order to keep the rest in check...
Now, I talk... if I can't talk anymore, I let someone else be the tough guy, until I am needed. Too old to be showing up at the hospital at 3am for hand xrays or to patch up a wound...
The pay can be alright, as long as the owner "lets" you get away with the "one, two, skip a few" game at the door... but, only one bar out of around 30 I've worked at actually had a boss who gave a shit about us, so best of luck not getting shafted...
Expect things like "well, it's not really busy tonight... go home" with no pay, "stay for an hour after close to help with clean up", etc...
Not all bars are like that, just every one I've ever worked at.
If you're an ass hound, it's the job for you, though...