159/82 but still going

[jacked_to_the_nine]

k so i checked my blood pressure today and it read 159 over 82 with a BPM of 75, this is the highest its ever been, however my performance is the best its ever been as well, so how can this be with a blood pressure so high! i'm doing 75mg test prop ED and 160mcg of clen ED, i think this has something to do with it.

[vakker]

I had 190/90 when I was taking ECA, I didn't have any issues other than the blinding headaches and crippling vision. I looked awesome though.

[Ritch]

Get some hawthorn berries to take care of that. 500mg 3 times a day. Takes a few weeks to get working, but it works for guys who use stuff like M1T and superdrol.

[Big D]

ya i had 172/120 and I felt fine, still not a good thang man, get that shit taken care of asap

[buildinthaskinnys]

Taking raw cocao with breakfast will work almost immedietly and continue working throughtout the day due to elevated nitric oxide levels, you good also use 90% and up chocolate, same thing basicaly but a little more palatable.

[Ritch]

What? ^^^ I`m having a hard time believing that.

[tiramisu]

Mildly hypertensive.

You don't say how much water you're drinking but whatever it is, increase it. If it's a bloating issue drinking lot's of water will reduce the amount of water you are holding.

Your clen dosage is pretty obscene. Why are you taking so much clen? I'm currently @ 50 mcgs and dropping 2 pounds a week on my diet. In a 16 week cutting cycle I wouldn't even touch 160.
Hypertension is bad. Performance may feel good but back pressure on your liver, kidneys can cause them to fail/die. It also leads to things like strokes.

You are just below the level where a doctor would start some kind of treatment for high bp. Still if I was you I would be seriously considering cutting down to a human dosage on the clen.

[tiramisu]

Common side effects of clenbuterol include:
Headaches
Muscular tremors (especially hand shakes)
Muscular cramps
Nervousness
Insomnia
Sweating
Increased appetite
Nausea
Palpitations
Hypertension (high blood pressure)
Possible cardiac hypertrophy as clen also targets cardiac and smooth muscle fibres
Heart muscle necrosis has been demonstrated in animal studies

[Ritch]

Just wondering how long it took you to get up to 160mcg JT9?

[L3]

Your clen dosage is pretty obscene. Why are you taking so much clen? I'm currently @ 50 mcgs
Hypertension is bad. Performance may feel good but back pressure on your liver, kidneys can cause them to fail/die.

qft

[tex]

k so i checked my blood pressure today and it read 159 over 82 with a BPM of 75, this is the highest its ever been, however my performance is the best its ever been as well, so how can this be with a blood pressure so high! i'm doing 75mg test prop ED and 160mcg of clen ED, i think this has something to do with it. thats why high bp is called the silent killer.....you dont know anything is wrong til its too late and youve damaged your organs....your not to that level yet but it can deteriorate rapidly so id say check daily or twice daily if you have your own monitor.....and for the doubters...dark chocolate does work but it has to be over 70% to be beneficial...the higher the better of course.....

[Ritch]

Well I`m amazed to hear that about dark chocolate. No offense, but it sounds like the foo foo advice you`d hear from a naturopath... Just curious how many grams of that disgusting chocolate does one need to eat for the desired effects? I`d still take the hawthorn berrie extract as there`s no calories...

[L3]

i dropped 150mg hawthorne extract last night w dinner, woke up at 4am with the worst runs ive had in forever.... gonna keep taking it but man, was that a rude awakening

[Ritch]

^^^ Really that little? Maybe it was your dinner that gave you the runs? I just took some liquid milk and hawthorn berrie extract this morning ( 500mg of each ) and no problems yet. My shit after was a little more explosive however, but new herbs often do that to me. Cissus is one of them. Oh man, the first few days were messy...

But I remember milk thistle in caps the first time I ever took them gave me some nasty shits. Plus I was at the movie theatre when the shit bubbles started acting up in my stomach...

[tiramisu]

I really like 85 chocolate. It goes great with a nice merlot.
sigh....

Lot's of recommendations on twigs and berries but the problem is the 160mcg clen dosage.

[Solo59]

Well I`m amazed to hear that about dark chocolate. No offense, but it sounds like the foo foo advice you`d hear from a naturopath... Just curious how many grams of that disgusting chocolate does one need to eat for the desired effects? I`d still take the hawthorn berrie extract as there`s no calories...

Ritch, where is the scientific evidence for using hawthorne berries to combat high blood pressure?

Solo

[Ritch]

Ritch, where is the scientific evidence for using hawthorne berries to combat high blood pressure?

Solo

I haven`t seen any, but I`m certain you could find some if you looked. Hawthorn berrie and celery seed extract have been THE supps to use ever since the early usage of the more potent pro hormones. If these supps have stood the test of time and are included in all the best liver/post cycle formulas`s out there, it`s safe to say they do their intended purpose.

[bigtavi8]

I also found with dbol my blood pressure would get quite high even at low doses. Felt a lot of dizziness and headaches and got it checked. 190 over 120...so i came off when i ran out and things after a month are back to normal. But in the future ill def steer clear on my offseason bulkers. Some react diff i guess but my bp skyrocketed with all orals ive used. I dunno..;.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

great info guys thanks for the help... i never heard of raw chocolate doing that for BP but hey i would give it a try, how would you take it though, its so fleakin bitter! I heard of this stuff called Mona Vie pulse, i just started talking Mona Vie active and i'm poopin puddles everywhere, cleanse much lol!

and about the high clen dosage i got the pump so 1 squirt is equal to 60mcg and i start with one squirt for 2-3 days and then 2 squirts for 2-3 days then i go balls out to 3 1/2 squirts, but it is alot to handle and will drive you nuts after like a week of doing that, so i lower it near the end like a pyrimid style cycle, so really your just doing a high dose for a week then taper...

Big Tav, D-bol gave me high BP when i did it years ago but everything came back to normal when i came off, except i couldn't even walk up a flight of stairs without kealing over from exhaustion! now i've got high BP but i'm able to do rediculas things in spite of endurance and stuff, its just weird thats all... regardless i'm coming off everything in a week and i can't wait, its been a very good progressive cycle and i have a feeling i'll keep 80% of the gains but i must admit that i am really glad all the poking and squirting will be over soon and i can just be natty for awhile!

[jacked_to_the_nine]

thats why high bp is called the silent killer.....you dont know anything is wrong til its too late and youve damaged your organs....your not to that level yet but it can deteriorate rapidly so id say check daily or twice daily if you have your own monitor.....and for the doubters...dark chocolate does work but it has to be over 70% to be beneficial...the higher the better of course.....

ya i've actualy had a few scares in regards to, well you know, the whole heart thing, it's just been a really long cycle and i can't wait for it to end! my doctor has schedualed me for blood test, so i'm sure i'll be all good.

[bigtavi8]

i must admit that i am really glad all the poking and squirting will be over soon and i can just be natty for awhile![/QUOTE]

Aww man i thought you were loving it. hahaha gets old quick doesnt it. The gains dont but the poking sure does after a while. YA go natty and recover and then back at her after your all nice and recuped.

[L3]

Ritch, where is the scientific evidence for using hawthorne berries to combat high blood pressure?

Solo

hawthrone is a vasolialator

pop some on squat day, feel the difference :)

also CoQ10 helps too

[jacked_to_the_nine]

i must admit that i am really glad all the poking and squirting will be over soon and i can just be natty for awhile!

Aww man i thought you were loving it. hahaha gets old quick doesnt it. The gains dont but the poking sure does after a while. YA go natty and recover and then back at her after your all nice and recuped.[/QUOTE]

oh i still love it, but life can get so choreographed and everything starts revolving around multi doseing ya know, i got alot of training done in the last 14 weeks too, like double what i would normaly be able to do for sure... but i think i may take a VK up to thailand now and just box for a bit... and maybe i'll bring back whatever's left of the BD stock, don't worry, i'll share it, lol!

[Praetorian]

You are basically in stage 2 hypertension...very dangerous place to be. The tubules in the kidneys will be taking a beating and even though you may feel ok it doesnt take long for the kidneys to start to fail..not mention the increased risk of aneurysm, heart failure, heart attack, eye damage.
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[jacked_to_the_nine]

You are basically in stage 2 hypertension...very dangerous place to be. The tubules in the kidneys will be taking a beating and even though you may feel ok it doesnt take long for the kidneys to start to fail..not mention the increased risk of aneurysm, heart failure, heart attack, eye damage.
P

yeah, i'm back down to 124/80, its so ****ed how i can make it go up and down like that, but, yeah, i'll be watching for that from now on.

[cog]

In days of old people used leeches...:)

[Solo59]

yeah, i'm back down to 124/80, its so ****ed how i can make it go up and down like that, but, yeah, i'll be watching for that from now on.

Hope you're not taking your BP on a pharmacy machine. Unreliable for big boys! But I bought my own pump tester and still each reading was all over the place, from extremely high to normal within a few hours. So I'd go to the doc and, every time, the readings there were in normal range. I decided to trust the doc.

Solo

[tiramisu]

I've looked for a large cuff for home a few times but haven't found one yet. some of the drug store cuffs are definitely designed for a 12" or smaller bicep.

[gregdoucette]

u might want to consider doing some cardio to help with ur blood pressure as well.

[daande]

Why are you running 160mcg of clen? I would advise you to cut your clen back to 80mcg and monitor your bp carefully.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

[QUOTE=daande;355117]Why are you running 160mcg of clen? I would advise you to cut your clen back to 80mcg and monitor your bp carefully.[/QUOTE

i use the pump (ventapulimin) and its hard to judge what your doing exactly, cuz a half a pump is never exact... a full one is more easy to judge cuz your squirting down to the bottom, regardless, i was told to get up to 3 pumps and it eqauls 180mcg, and i only go on the 3 pumps for a week, its 60mcg a pump so i just go for it... i know guys who do 4 pumps, i mean clen is a weird drug, i sleep really well on it and i get very hungry on it as well, however i realized that i shouldn't do caffine, effedrine and pre workout drinks on it as well, which i can safely say that was the likley problem to the HB, cuz i've been just doing the clen for the last couple dayz with no other stims and i've been good, so i learned my lesson!

[beginnerbuilder2010]

I had Hi BP too a lil while ago (Im only 23 Yikes) , and my Doc. said that effedrine,caffine,and even some creatines,and other supps.They all can potentially raise the BP to unhealthy levels for active adult males.It just dosn't affect old Tymers anymore Lol....

[beginnerbuilder2010]

I guess the Lesson here is, that we sould all regularly check our BP, or just take pro active steps.Like taking the natural's ppl earlier were hinting about like hawthornB, and cocoa 70% or higher.Im sure there are others too...

[Solo59]

I guess the Lesson here is, that we sould all regularly check our BP, or just take pro active steps.Like taking the natural's ppl earlier were hinting about like hawthornB, and cocoa 70% or higher.Im sure there are others too...

Coq10?

Solo

[Ritch]

Coq10?

Solo

That stuff is expensvie. I`m telling you guys, hawthorn berrie or celery seed extract.

[BigWheel]

[



For christ sakes use an oral syringe to to measure your dosages.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

just checkin somethin

[Chaps]

Anabolic innovations cycle support:

All Extracts Are Standardized)

Red Yeast Rice 1200mg
NAC 1200mg
Silymarin (Milk Thistle Extract) 1000mg
Hawthorn Berry 1000mg
Saw Palmetto 300mg
Nettle Root 250mg
Celery Seed Extract 150mg
Idebenone 100mg
Policosanol 20mg

everyone who cycle's should be using this stuff