test/dbol more gains then just test?

[pblade]

If i included dbol as a kickstart to my test cycle will i see a lot more gains than just using test in a cycle? i always thought dbol is only meant to see some quick but "temporary" gains to a cycle until the test takes its action. This will be my second test cycle, i had to stop my first one short at week 6 because i was having e2 issues and didnt have an AI at the time. However this time, i wanted to include something new and thought dbol sounds nice. So will i see a lot more gains with test/dbol, compared to just test.

cycle would be:

weeks 1-10: test e 500mg/week
weeks 1-4 dbol: 30mg

[tex]

yeah it'll be better but you'll get more estro sides with it.....dont use it to kick tho...start at week 4 or 5 and it'll be all magical n shit.....have your ai handy cuz if you have problems with test alone then you are gonna be in for some shit with dbol added in....

[kawikaratekid]

Yes you will see more gains and you will lose water weight once you discontinue the dbol. When the cycle is finished you will lose muscle if you don't run a proper pct, eat right and train hard.

[kawikaratekid]

Sorry you will lose quite a bit if you don't run a pct, eat right, and train hard. You'll keep most if you do these things

[pblade]

So opinions are not to run it as a kickstart? That was my interest to run it in the beginning to see some quick gains till the test kicks in . Is there too many estrogenic sides with using it as a kickstart or should I use it from
4 weeks on and include arimidex with my stack?

[tex]

arimidex is pretty hard on the cholesterol.....aromasin would be better

[pblade]

i had trouble getting aromasin, i had to limit myself to arimidex. is is really that bad on cholesterol at small dosages, .25mg EOD? what can i do to limit the affect on my cholesterol?

also going back to the dbol, would u say completely avoid using it as a kickstart, or would i be able to do something like weeks 2-4 use dbol, and also weeks 8-10 use dbol since i hear gains stall at weeks 8 usually.

[PdH]

i had trouble getting aromasin, i had to limit myself to arimidex. is is really that bad on cholesterol at small dosages, .25mg EOD? what can i do to limit the affect on my cholesterol?

also going back to the dbol, would u say completely avoid using it as a kickstart, or would i be able to do something like weeks 2-4 use dbol, and also weeks 8-10 use dbol since i hear gains stall at weeks 8 usually.

If you run the Dbol at weeks 4 or 5 for 4 weeks then you get a synergistic effect with the test, which has reached peak levels. If you want to kickstart then use test prop at 100 EOD or susp at 100 ED for 3 weeks. IMO running dbol for 2 weeks front and back end is a waste.

[pblade]

Thank you for sharing that I suppose I will enjoy dbol a lot with it working well when testosterone has reached peak levels. Is there a big difference in my sense of well being and mass gains in total if I start dbol at week 4?

Would this cycle layout suffice :
weeks 1-10 test e 500mg/split into two doses
weeks 4-8 dbol 30mg
weeks 4-10 liquidex 0.25mg EOD
weeks 4-10 hcg 350iu 3x week


Current stats
188lbs
16%bf
5"10

[tiramisu]

I'm not as convinced of the stacking dbol in the middle theory. I get bp issues with dbol and even tbol and I find it far easier to use front loaded. In the middle I get unmanageable back pumps and hypertension.

Aromasin is a generally healthier choice but arimidex works and in the short term isn't an issue. I wouldn't want to be taking adex as a lifestyle choice.

[Ritch]

Just do it from the start and run it for another 4 weeks or so when the test peaks in. Doing 8-9 weeks of dbal is not going to kill you.

[methadone]

im no expert, correct me if im wrong tho

isn't 350iu's of HCG 3x a week a lot of HCG for just 500mg of test?

i'm doing 250iu's 2x a week

[tiramisu]

google swale's pct protocol

[methadone]

here it is
http://www.xtraxxl.com/forum/cycles/2687-swales-pct-protocol.html

[nitrous]

im no expert, correct me if im wrong tho

isn't 350iu's of HCG 3x a week a lot of HCG for just 500mg of test?

i'm doing 250iu's 2x a week

no that is still a pretty average dosage of HCG.. i'm going to be running 500iu's 2x a week on my next cycle

[methadone]

hrm, im only on my third week of my cycle, if i start to notice the boys shrinking, ill up the dosage, but for now its all good

[tex]

id just run the hcg at the end of the cycle.....never had a problem with that even with a super long cycle and using nandrolone etc.....

[methadone]

i had read about a member here talking about it being good to not even let the boys shrink in the first place and i thought it made sense.

there seems it be many diferent protocols involving HCG, i think this one is best, in my opinion of course