Whats with protestors & olympics

[SARGE]

The last time i looked the medals weren't made out of baby seal skins

[PdH]

Well, they believe the huge sums of money spent for a two week showcase are being spent irresponsibly, particularly when there is so much poverty in BC. Highest child poverty rate in the country, yet one of the strongest economies.

[Memo]

I believe the Olympics are a waste of money myself when so many social problems are not being solved.

[SARGE]

Well, they believe the huge sums of money spent for a two week showcase are being spent irresponsibly, particularly when there is so much poverty in BC. Highest child poverty rate in the country, yet one of the strongest economies.

Thanks for the response,Government spending has always been an issue,i can go on that topic for hours.I didn't realize B.C was that bad.Just goes to show they never listen to the people,where our money should be spent

[cog]

The problems in B.C likely arise because of the seemingly huge amount of substance abuse in the Vancouver area.

[guest]

The problems in B.C likely arise because of the seemingly huge amount of substance abuse in the Vancouver area.

the whole province is bad that way. BC is the domestic and international smuggling headquarters. it's becoming a ****ing epidemic.

[Bowlcut]

Ask the people of Montreal about the Olympics and how much they liked the bill. Took 30 years to pay off the debts, and it looks like the city of Van will be on the hook too.

People say how great the event is for the economy, but they don't consider the opportunity cost of the capital being misallocated. If the Olympics were such a great benefit to society and the market than the event would be put on with private funds.

The opening ceremonies are an indicator of how truly stupid some of it is. At least in Salt Lake City they had the brains to throw Kiss out there and make a party of it, instead we were left with "meth head fiddlers" and some guy named k.d. Lang.

[gicantor]

and some guy named k.d. Lang.

ahaha zing!!!!!!

[Big D]

ya i was wondering why they were protesting,

it makes sense

[daande]

Those people are ****ing completely disgusting. The Olympics create many jobs and strengthen the economy. In addition to doing so it also showcases Canada to the entire world. I think that people protesting the Olympics should not be given any air time on TV. The only people protesting are low-lifers who just want more handouts.

[faller]

Dude its going to be the straw that breaks the proverbial camals back.

Between Cambells harmonized tax and this latest joke, he is going to lose the next election. We will than have an NDP Gov...The world can watch us slip back to a have not province again.

6 billion would have been far better spent on giveing tax breaks for buisness start ups which in turn creates long term jobs, not the the flash in the pan jobs that the Olympics created.

[musclehead123]

Ask the people of Montreal about the Olympics and how much they liked the bill. Took 30 years to pay off the debts, and it looks like the city of Van will be on the hook too.

People say how great the event is for the economy, but they don't consider the opportunity cost of the capital being misallocated. If the Olympics were such a great benefit to society and the market than the event would be put on with private funds.

The opening ceremonies are an indicator of how truly stupid some of it is. At least in Salt Lake City they had the brains to throw Kiss out there and make a party of it, instead we were left with "meth head fiddlers" and some guy named k.d. Lang.

I think all of BC will have to pay for this debt not just the city of Vancouver. In a way it was funded by private companies, liberals get most of their donations from private companies. In the paper here it said that the debt in Montreal is still being paid off or it was estimated that it would take 50years to get paid off (i cannot remember).




Those people are ****ing completely disgusting. The Olympics create many jobs and strengthen the economy. In addition to doing so it also showcases Canada to the entire world. I think that people protesting the Olympics should not be given any air time on TV. The only people protesting are low-lifers who just want more handouts.

Can you tell me which democratic country's economy was strengthened because of the olympics?

Its funny you say that olympics made some construction and road work jobs for unionized employees, had the construction jobs been given to private companies cost would have been down, and most likely would have finished a lot earlier because they could have afforded more man power. By doing this more money could have been allocated to marketing vancouver to the world, and making the city more tasteful and perhaps setting up homeless people with social housing of some sort. But tell me this when all the work is said and done whats going to happen to the lowest senority people that just bought houses and started families, perhaps they'll be laid off? Take pay cuts, that these guys aren't ready for?

Some people might say, "Well people that are visiting from out of country might want to invest in our real estate, and that would generate revenue." Well these investors aren't stupid and didn't get to where they are by not researching the market. They'll also watch the real estate market from their home countries.

(bro this is not an attack towards you, and im not bad mouthing unions, Im just saying that the money could have been better managed with the olympics and we could have done without the olympics)

[cog]

I think all of BC will have to pay for this debt not just the city of Vancouver. In a way it was funded by private companies, liberals get most of their donations from private companies. In the paper here it said that the debt in Montreal is still being paid off or it was estimated that it would take 50years to get paid off (i cannot remember).





Can you tell me which democratic country's economy was strengthened because of the olympics?

Its funny you say that olympics made some construction and road work jobs for unionized employees, had the construction jobs been given to private companies cost would have been down, and most likely would have finished a lot earlier because they could have afforded more man power. By doing this more money could have been allocated to marketing vancouver to the world, and making the city more tasteful and perhaps setting up homeless people with social housing of some sort. But tell me this when all the work is said and done whats going to happen to the lowest senority people that just bought houses and started families, perhaps they'll be laid off? Take pay cuts, that these guys aren't ready for?

Some people might say, "Well people that are visiting from out of country might want to invest in our real estate, and that would generate revenue." Well these investors aren't stupid and didn't get to where they are by not researching the market. They'll also watch the real estate market from their home countries.

(bro this is not an attack towards you, and im not bad mouthing unions, Im just saying that the money could have been better managed with the olympics and we could have done without the olympics)

Seting up homeless people with social housing?Dude,all that happens is they spend the freed up cash on dope and booze.It's time to think about some real harm reduction for those homeless people.

[natenator]

I believe the Olympics are a waste of money myself when so many social problems are not being solved.
Social problems? Which ones specifically?

[natenator]

wahh wahh wahh boo ****ing hoo.

Typical Canadians just keep on complaining. What's done is done so you can either bitch, whine and moan about it like typical Canadians or just enjoy them for the couple weeks that they are on.

As for those complaining that the money coulda been better spent on social programs. **** that. Want help? Help yourself first. Tired of the bullshit social programs we have in this country to help people who don't want to help themselves meanwhile those who ARE helping themselves and others get shafted.

[Bowlcut]

wahh wahh wahh boo ****ing hoo.

Typical Canadians just keep on complaining. What's done is done so you can either bitch, whine and moan about it like typical Canadians or just enjoy them for the couple weeks that they are on.

As for those complaining that the money coulda been better spent on social programs. **** that. Want help? Help yourself first. Tired of the bullshit social programs we have in this country to help people who don't want to help themselves meanwhile those who ARE helping themselves and others get shafted.

What about tax cuts? A few billion in reduced taxes ought to create some jobs for those who want to work.

[PdH]

wahh wahh wahh boo ****ing hoo.

Typical Canadians just keep on complaining. What's done is done so you can either bitch, whine and moan about it like typical Canadians or just enjoy them for the couple weeks that they are on.

As for those complaining that the money coulda been better spent on social programs. **** that. Want help? Help yourself first. Tired of the bullshit social programs we have in this country to help people who don't want to help themselves meanwhile those who ARE helping themselves and others get shafted.

A lot of mentally ill people don't have the capacity to 'help' themselves. A good percentage of the homeless are mentally ill, which tends to complicate any sort of rehabilitative measures, particularly when the majority of mental health institutions have been closed.

The ideology utilized in Vancouver at this point in time is based on the idea that the mentally ill are better off in the community, which might be true if there were supports in place to assist them. However, such supports are pretty much non-existent, so they get caught up in the 'affordable housing' of the downtown eastside, which reminds me of an after-the-apocalypse movie. Escape from New York in a 5 or 6 block radius. I guess they should just pull up their bootstraps, whatever that is supposed to mean.

[cog]

Drugs and booze 24\7 don't help with mental issues.

[MMASTAR]

some people are beyond help and just not worth fixing. Agreed with helping yourself first, if your not willing to put in the effort why should we?

[PdH]

some people are beyond help and just not worth fixing. Agreed with helping yourself first, if your not willing to put in the effort why should we?

Why should any of us help you with your gear questions? It's called community, it's what makes the world go round.

[MMASTAR]

Why should any of us help you with your gear questions? It's called community, it's what makes the world go round.

at the same token i am willing to do the reshearch myself and ask the questions if i need help, they are not willing to put in any effort to help themselves and dont ask for help they ask for handouts...

[PdH]

They're ****ing mentally ill. Apparently you have no experience with such things so your 'opinion' is uninformed and simply inutile.

[MMASTAR]

yes they are all mentaly ill, drugs have nothing to do with it.

[PdH]

yes they are all mentaly ill, drugs have nothing to do with it.

I form my opinions from facts and experience, not supposition and conjecture.

[guest]

Dude its going to be the straw that breaks the proverbial camals back.

Between Cambells harmonized tax and this latest joke, he is going to lose the next election. We will than have an NDP Gov...The world can watch us slip back to a have not province again.

6 billion would have been far better spent on giveing tax breaks for buisness start ups which in turn creates long term jobs, not the the flash in the pan jobs that the Olympics created.

and that is the scariest prospect. ****ing NDP:ji They're great at complaining but are like a dog ****ing a football when they're at the helm. They will push us back into the stone age.

[cog]

I form my opinions from facts and experience, not supposition and conjecture.

Yes yes yes..Your observations are of course so much more valid than anybody else....your liberal education and ivory tower views aren't worth fifty cents in the real world.People like you are running the country right into the ground....which is of course the real objective.

[PdH]

Yes yes yes..Your observations are of course so much more valid than anybody else....your liberal education and ivory tower views aren't worth fifty cents in the real world.People like you are running the country right into the ground....which is of course the real objective.

Interesting conjecture on your part. I spent 4 years doing qualitative research in the downtown eastside. I've got a nice scar on my head from being piped for my efforts. Speaking of Ivory Towers, what's your real world like?

[waderow]

haha. for those of you guys crying about the poor or the social problems.... I have a solution for them.... Go get a ****ign job and budget your money.

Move to where there is work if you need to. Quit looking for handouts.

[waderow]

They're ****ing mentally ill. Apparently you have no experience with such things so your 'opinion' is uninformed and simply inutile.

you would be surprised how small the percentage of government subsidized lazy ****ing bums are mentally ill. Probably less then 5%.

[GYMBRAT]

LOL ^ this is gettin good ;)

[PdH]

you would be surprised how small the percentage of government subsidized lazy ****ing bums are mentally ill. Probably less then 5%.

Is that a fact. Sources?

[daande]

you would be surprised how small the percentage of government subsidized lazy ****ing bums are mentally ill. Probably less then 5%.

I flip houses part time. All my "grunt workers" ie people who do demolition all require to be paid in cash. They are all on disability of some sort and are not mentally ill and actually have nothing wrong with them at all other than they are addicted to some sort of hard drug. You are right only a small percentage of these lazy bums are mentally ill or have something really wrong with them that disallows them to work for a living. The government imo needs to start either requiring drug/alcohol tests on people they give handouts to. Another interesting idea I have heard is the government should instead of handing them a cheque, directly pay their rent and give them some sort of debit card that is only usable at grocery stores and then give them a reduced cheque for things like cloths. This reduced cheque would just get turned over to their drug dealers though. In the end the government could reduce the amount of money given by these payouts greatly and use that extra cash for after school programs and stuff to prevent/reduce the vicious cycle that is incurred by all of these people (ie. They being crackheads, popping out kids who grow up and become crackheads.)

[MMASTAR]

wasnt cheessteak on disability??...lol

[daande]

wasnt cheessteak on disability??...lol

Yup, point made.

[PdH]

I flip houses part time. All my "grunt workers" ie people who do demolition all require to be paid in cash. They are all on disability of some sort and are not mentally ill and actually have nothing wrong with them at all other than they are addicted to some sort of hard drug. You are right only a small percentage of these lazy bums are mentally ill or have something really wrong with them that disallows them to work for a living. The government imo needs to start either requiring drug/alcohol tests on people they give handouts to. Another interesting idea I have heard is the government should instead of handing them a cheque, directly pay their rent and give them some sort of debit card that is only usable at grocery stores and then give them a reduced cheque for things like cloths. This reduced cheque would just get turned over to their drug dealers though. In the end the government could reduce the amount of money given by these payouts greatly and use that extra cash for after school programs and stuff to prevent/reduce the vicious cycle that is incurred by all of these people (ie. They being crackheads, popping out kids who grow up and become crackheads.)

So the question then is Mr Self-righteousness, why are you hiring these types of individuals? Would it be because you can pay them much less thereby maximizing your profits? Are you providing all the employment requirements as mandated by law? Workman's Comp, E.I., ect. Didn't think so. So essentially you're griping about those who serve you an advantage, while at the same time walking the line of illegality yourself. Well thought out there daande.

[daande]

So the question then is Mr Self-righteousness, why are you hiring these types of individuals? Would it be because you can pay them much less thereby maximizing your profits? Are you providing all the employment requirements as mandated by law? Workman's Comp, E.I., ect. Didn't think so. So essentially you're griping about those who serve you an advantage, while at the same time walking the line of illegality yourself. Well thought out there daande.

They are contractors. If you hired someone to come fix your toilet or plow your driveway would you pay for workman's comp, E.I., etc? No you wouldn't. You are just bitching because you are Native. You get more than enough handouts even all your school paid for. Pay no taxes. Get free healthcare. Natives in Canada are the ****ing WORST group for taking handouts and still complaining for more.

[PdH]

Rationalize all you want daande, but suggesting that you are paying contractors with cash is ludicrous. You state that they're all on disability of some sort, yet you're knowingly employing them. Thus, you are facilitating fraud, end of story.

As for your Native comments, I don't even want to recognize them with a comment but I should probably clarify some of your idiocy so others don't fall under the same trance of amentia. Show me any piece of text where I'm bitching about a lack of "handouts". You can't seem to distinguish between informed analysis and emotional response. The fact that you have an incapacity to think past the superficial doesn't mean the rest of us have that same incapacity.

As for my school, I'm doing my PhD entirely on U of Ottawa scholarship b/c I obtained a 3.93 GPA in my Master's and an A- GPA in law school. Further, I don't live and work on reserve so I pay the same taxes as everyone else. You should get your facts straight before commenting. I know it's hard for you, but you'll probably find doing so useful in the future.

A while back I asked you if you were in Uni and gave you a pre-packaged response for doing so b/c I know you're kind of fragile. The truth is I was asking so I could determine whether or not other Uni's in the country had lowered their undergrad admission standards to the same atrocious levels as U of Ottawa. Evidently at least one other Uni has.

[waderow]

Is that a fact. Sources?

Ive been around bro. Seen it all

post sources showing they are all retards

[daande]

As for my school, I'm doing my PhD entirely on U of Ottawa scholarship b/c I obtained a 3.93 GPA in my Master's and an A- GPA in law school. Further, I don't live and work on reserve so I pay the same taxes as everyone else. You should get your facts straight before commenting. I know it's hard for you, but you'll probably find doing so useful in the future.


You failed to mention who paid for your Bachelors (most likely the government) and what your grades were out of high school, might not of even graduated (doesn't matter if you are native). My ass you don't have one of those cards when you go shopping to get exempt from some taxes. Anyways, for those of you don't know here are some programs natives get that no one else gets (they need there own ****ing web portal there is soo many):

http://www.aboriginalcanada.gc.ca/acp/site.nsf/en/funding.html

Aboriginal Education Bursaries:

http://www.aboriginalcanada.gc.ca/ab/site.nsf/index-eng?openview

Anyways, you are a small minority of all Natives in Canada.

Here is what the majority of Natives do (there is a ****ing timeline):

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060421/aboriginal_standoffs_060421/20060421/

Note: The Oka Quebec standoff where a policeman was shot and killed and no one was arrested.

Lets not forget how Natives can own casino's and grow tobacco, whereas the rest of the countries population cannot (talk about racism). I could list more ****ed up shit that is allowed to happen because Native people play that card and our government is afraid to do anything about it as they do not want to look politically incorrect and not get re-elected. In my opinion there should be no special programs for Native people these programs should be available to anyone who is a Canadian citizen, otherwise our government is condoning racism. Some of you will view me as a racist by reading this post, however, I would not have this view if the government viewed everyone race as equal.

[waderow]

Rationalize all you want daande, but suggesting that you are paying contractors with cash is ludicrous. You state that they're all on disability of some sort, yet you're knowingly employing them. Thus, you are facilitating fraud, end of story.

As for your Native comments, I don't even want to recognize them with a comment but I should probably clarify some of your idiocy so others don't fall under the same trance of amentia. Show me any piece of text where I'm bitching about a lack of "handouts". You can't seem to distinguish between informed analysis and emotional response. The fact that you have an incapacity to think past the superficial doesn't mean the rest of us have that same incapacity.

As for my school, I'm doing my PhD entirely on U of Ottawa scholarship b/c I obtained a 3.93 GPA in my Master's and an A- GPA in law school. Further, I don't live and work on reserve so I pay the same taxes as everyone else. You should get your facts straight before commenting. I know it's hard for you, but you'll probably find doing so useful in the future.

A while back I asked you if you were in Uni and gave you a pre-packaged response for doing so b/c I know you're kind of fragile. The truth is I was asking so I could determine whether or not other Uni's in the country had lowered their undergrad admission standards to the same atrocious levels as U of Ottawa. Evidently at least one other Uni has.

are you saying that there are no special "privileges" for natives in canada? no education subsidies. No business grants... No tax subsidies... No housing subsidies...

and all the above are NOT available to the general population?

Do you think this is fair?

[daande]

are you saying that there are no special "privileges" for natives in canada? no education subsidies. No business grants... No tax subsidies... No housing subsidies...

and all the above are NOT available to the general population?

Do you think this is fair?

Checkout my above post waderow.

[PdH]

Have a look at common law precedents in England, the U.S., Australia, and Canada if you seek the answers to your questions. Fair? What the **** does 'fair' mean Waderow? Your sense of 'fairness' is based in self-interest. Is that 'fair'?

We can continue this later, I'm off to the gym. I hope that girl with the perfect ass is there. :)

[waderow]

Have a look at common law precedents in England, the U.S., Australia, and Canada if you seek the answers to your questions. Fair? What the **** does 'fair' mean Waderow? Your sense of 'fairness' is based in self-interest. Is that 'fair'?

We can continue this later, I'm off to the gym. I hope that girl with the perfect ass is there. :)

so you think it is fair for natives.... even though it is precisely these programs keeping the natives in the gutter

[waderow]

Checkout my above post waderow.

good post

[PdH]

Lets not forget how Natives can own casino's and grow tobacco, whereas the rest of the countries population cannot (talk about racism). I could list more ****ed up shit that is allowed to happen because Native people play that card and our government is afraid to do anything about it as they do not want to look politically incorrect and not get re-elected. In my opinion there should be no special programs for Native people these programs should be available to anyone who is a Canadian citizen, otherwise our government is condoning racism. Some of you will view me as a racist by reading this post, however, I would not have this view if the government viewed everyone race as equal.

Damn you' re a simpleton sometimes daande. A common dandy simpleton at that. It's got nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with law.

[natenator]

Ive been around bro. Seen it all

post sources showing they are all retards
I agree with PHD. You make these claims then fail to back them up. You pull shit out of your ass and then when someone challenges you on them you label them as a liberal.

[CanadianIron]

Dont these activists know what a democracy is?

1% of the province lives on the downtown east side, so what makes them think we want them having any of our tax dollars. The people that want the olympics are paying for the olympics. The free loader drug addicts are not entitled to our tax dollars. They should behave appropriately and hope at best, for our help.

No one has a viable solution for solving the problems in the downtown east side so throwing money at the problem is not the solution. The olympics were planned during the best times in BC history financially speaking and once you make the bid you dont copp out and thats not what anyone would have wanted.

These protestors should be shot, they're using the olympics and the genuine concern of other peaceful protestors to have a good time and cause some shit. They should all be tied up and dropped out of airplanes over Afghanistan with pocket knives, that would give them their thrills.

[CanadianIron]

If anyone wants to go downtown with me in black fatigues and ski masks to beat on the anti-olympic protesters then run away.. im down. Fight fire with fire, kick them in the nuts then run into a crowd, just like they did when they were smashing windows.

[Gilmour]

Well, they believe the huge sums of money spent for a two week showcase are being spent irresponsibly, particularly when there is so much poverty in BC. Highest child poverty rate in the country, yet one of the strongest economies.


Too many lazy hippies who don't wanna work for a living and would rather smoke pot and kiss trees.

[Gilmour]

If anyone wants to go downtown with me in black fatigues and ski masks to beat on the anti-olympic protesters then run away.. im down. Fight fire with fire, kick them in the nuts then run into a crowd, just like they did when they were smashing windows.
Sign me up but I say we lose the masks.

[CanadianIron]

Did you see the guy on the news last night that tried to stop the protesters from knocking over the newspaper stand?

He charged the protesters and yelled at the cops "Come on, lets get them"... I literally jumped off the couch with joy when I saw this guy.. he wanted to take on all these ****ers.

[hommes]

those protestors were bored, they had nothing else to do. they want to be heard.

[CanadianIron]

They called themselves "anarchists".. they saw the challenge put up by the security force and they chose to challenge it for the attention.. I hope the VPD beats them hard if they step out of line.

The irony is that if they didnt put up such a protest, Vanoc wouldnt have had to allocate so much money towards security. These idiotic activists are responsible for wasting enough tax dollars to have actually helped the homeless.....

[rob66679]

I agree with PHD. You make these claims then fail to back them up. You pull shit out of your ass and then when someone challenges you on them you label them as a liberal.

Or a homo, depending on how much smoke comes out of his brain trying to back up non-existent facts. The wonderful world of Waderow.... Base your opinions on facts that don't exist, then start calling names when your exposed as full of hot air.
I think he should go work for Fox news personally. He'd be a natural.

[CanadianIron]

In wades defense, "fact" is subjective. In one study it will be somebodies opinion that 85% of the homeless people are "mentally ill"... in anothers it might be 5%.

I would beg to reason that anyone willing to live on the streets and sleep under cardboard boxes is mentally ill. According to my own study 100% of the people who sleep outdoors in garbage cans, under boxes and under bridges are mentally ill. Anyone with a healthy mind would be capable of getting a job and paying rent.

Technically you could view laziness as a mental illness. Their mind is incapable of seeing the benefits of hard work.

[rob66679]

They called themselves "anarchists".. they saw the challenge put up by the security force and they chose to challenge it for the attention.. I hope the VPD beats them hard if they step out of line.

The irony is that if they didnt put up such a protest, Vanoc wouldnt have had to allocate so much money towards security. These idiotic activists are responsible for wasting enough tax dollars to have actually helped the homeless.....

The biggest reason for increased security is the terror threat.
The biggest sign of a healthy democracy is the fact you can protest, even if the ****ing idiot Anarchist's deserve a big kick in the nuts.

Everybody has a right to an opinion regarding 6 billion dollars of tax money, regardless of if it would be better spent on social programs or not.
Montreal still has not paid for 1976..... I don't care how much spin-off/jobs it creates, thats a big ****in hole in a country already up to its neck in debt.

[rob66679]

In wades defense, "fact" is subjective. In one study it will be somebodies opinion that 85% of the homeless people are "mentally ill"... in anothers it might be 5%.

I would beg to reason that anyone willing to live on the streets and sleep under cardboard boxes is mentally ill. According to my own study 100% of the people who sleep outdoors in garbage cans, under boxes and under bridges are mentally ill. Anyone with a healthy mind would be capable of getting a job and paying rent.

Technically you could view laziness as a mental illness. Their mind is incapable of seeing the benefits of hard work.

I'd like to see a study where 5% of homeless people are mentally ill.
Between substance issues and mental issues, its probably near 100%.

I totally agree anybody that would rather live outside on a few hundred a month obviously has issues.

[MMASTAR]

what happened to survival of the fittest, wade me and you should get together and start eliminating the weak :) I think our world is overpopulated with people that dont want to work to earn what they need to survive, in previous years, these lazy ****s would be dead.

[daande]

The biggest reason for increased security is the terror threat.
The biggest sign of a healthy democracy is the fact you can protest, even if the ****ing idiot Anarchist's deserve a big kick in the nuts.

Everybody has a right to an opinion regarding 6 billion dollars of tax money, regardless of if it would be better spent on social programs or not.
Montreal still has not paid for 1976..... I don't care how much spin-off/jobs it creates, thats a big ****in hole in a country already up to its neck in debt.

Do you know how an economy works?

[waderow]

I agree with PHD. You make these claims then fail to back them up. You pull shit out of your ass and then when someone challenges you on them you label them as a liberal.

go **** yourself and either add something to the discussion or just watch.
Adults are talking.

[waderow]

I'd like to see a study where 5% of homeless people are mentally ill.
Between substance issues and mental issues, its probably near 100%.

I totally agree anybody that would rather live outside on a few hundred a month obviously has issues.

show me a study where it states 100% are mentally ill. I have seen and heard it all over and over again. Been involved in subsidized housing, been involved in native housing, been involved in social volunteer programs, been associated with welfare cases, been associated with recipients of AISH etc etc.

There is always a job for someone, unless of course you are violent, and then there is a cell or a rubber room for that person.

http://www.nads.org/pages_new/human_interest/employed.html

[waderow]

what happened to survival of the fittest, wade me and you should get together and start eliminating the weak :) I think our world is overpopulated with people that dont want to work to earn what they need to survive, in previous years, these lazy ****s would be dead.

it would appear we could start with Nate and rob

[natenator]

go **** yourself and either add something to the discussion or just watch.
Adults are talking.
translation: you are obviously a bleeding heart liberal as your defense of PdH indicates as such.

Classic wade

[natenator]

it would appear we could start with Nate and rob
wade gets testy when he can't substantiate his "opinions"

[CanadianIron]

The biggest reason for increased security is the terror threat.
The biggest sign of a healthy democracy is the fact you can protest, even if the ****ing idiot Anarchist's deserve a big kick in the nuts.

Everybody has a right to an opinion regarding 6 billion dollars of tax money, regardless of if it would be better spent on social programs or not.
Montreal still has not paid for 1976..... I don't care how much spin-off/jobs it creates, thats a big ****in hole in a country already up to its neck in debt.

I dont think so, I was reading in the paper about how someone challenged the head of security with a big bomb attack scenario and asked him what they have in place to protect people from a truck with a bomb in it etc. And he said there is nothing, there is no way to stop someone from driving downtown with a car full of explosives and setting it off. There primary level of protection is intelligence.

When they surround BC place with 10,000 riot police with plastic shields and night sticks, they're arent anticipating a car bomb or 747 being flown into the stadium, they're putting these guys to work because of the protestors. Its obvious that the numbers of police going to work downtown are in place due to these protestors. 10,000 + police making $300-$400/day over a span of a month + all the preparations involved a head of time and paper work after... yikes.

We KNOW that these anti-olympic protestors are costing hundreds of millions to police. No question about it.

[PdH]

Ok, I'm out. Once those who believe they're truly informed through the media come to argue supposition as fact it's time to move on.

[CanadianIron]

I bet we can get you to keep posting....

[CanadianIron]

Ok, I'm out. Once those who believe they're truly informed through the media come to argue supposition as fact it's time to move on.

Given the scenario I layed out and having just driven through downtown I can easily say that there is NOTHING to stop someone from driving downtown with a car full of explosives and setting the thing off.

[Dryvrgrl]

isn't it a little late to be protesting the olympics anyway... money's spent, it's a done deal... no matter what the politics are.. make the most of it and move on...

protesting now is just attention seeking

[faller]

Given the scenario I layed out and having just driven through downtown I can easily say that there is NOTHING to stop someone from driving downtown with a car full of explosives and setting the thing off.

If there is a loud knocking on your door tonite, do NOT answer it!!

[CanadianIron]

Pfff they should hire me to head their security.

The only people I would bomb is the protestors.

People have the right to protest, but they shouldnt have a right to block streets and make any noise. They should be limited to green spaces and inside voices. Heil Hitler.

[cog]

Maybe you should reconsider that one?

[monkey]

Pfff they should hire me to head their security.

The only people I would bomb is the protestors.

People have the right to protest, but they shouldnt have a right to block streets and make any noise. They should be limited to green spaces and inside voices. Heil Hitler.


This is just WRONG

[MMASTAR]

chill out monkey...lol.. sounds funny just saying it...

[CanadianIron]

Everything, everyone says on the internet is 100% serious unless they say, "LOL"...

[Gilmour]

Ok, I'm out. Once those who believe they're truly informed through the media come to argue supposition as fact it's time to move on.
And you know all the true answers because? Your life experience is what exactly? Where are your statistics to back your POV?

[natenator]

And you know all the true answers because? Your life experience is what exactly? Where are your statistics to back your POV?
the only thing he owns burden of proof about is his statement of: "particularly when there is so much poverty in BC. Highest child poverty rate in the country, yet one of the strongest economies."

These if true should be easy to find out. I'd like to see Wade provide facts to support his claims.

[#8]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CANADA! We just got a gold in Moguls Skiing. Lets see the protesters take away the medal!

[faller]

WTF?? I thought wade and Nate had a bromance goin on??!!:confused:

[natenator]

WTF?? I thought wade and Nate had a bromance goin on??!!:confused:
Wade's cheap. He'll flow to anyone who shares a similar opinion with him. He likes the sheep. Bahhhh

[#8]

^^ nobody will ever love Wade the way I do. I get where he is coming from most of the time and I think that there are too many Canadians on a slippery slope to full out socialism / communism ideals of how power / wealth should be distributed.

Work hard, get a job, work harder, get ahead. If you're native, black, mexican, pakistani or whatever and you see race as an obstacle to success, then you have to work that much harder or shut the **** up and kill yourself already. There are plenty of examples of successful minorities, even in the US where racism is much more predominant and practically expected.

[PdH]

the only thing he owns burden of proof about is his statement of: "particularly when there is so much poverty in BC. Highest child poverty rate in the country, yet one of the strongest economies."
These if true should be easy to find out. I'd like to see Wade provide facts to support his claims.

According to the most recent numbers available from Statistics Canada (2005) British Columbia, for the fourth year in a row, had the highest child poverty rate in at 20.9%, well above the national rate of 16.8%.

British Columbia has the highest rate of child poverty in the country, a dubious distinction the province has won for five straight years. B.C.'s child poverty rate is 22 per cent, six per cent higher than the national average. Based on 2006 statistics, the Vancouver-based organization said 181,000 children in B.C. are living below the poverty line.

Between 1989 and 2007 child poverty rates in B.C. jumped by 30 per cent. Ontario’s rose by 22 per cent. All other provinces saw a drop during the same period. The biggest drop was in Alberta, which saw a 42 per cent reduction in child poverty rates from 1989 to 2007.

British Columbia's economy remains strong with expected growth of 4.8% in 2006 and 3.7% in 2007. "B.C. will remain among Canada's top growth leaders this year and into the next despite existing economic risks to growth," said Wright. "While there are parallels to economic conditions during the mid-1990s when housing markets were cooling amidst a softening U.S. economy and high commodity prices, we forecast that the risks are more manageable this time around." According to the RBC report, numerous strengths provide a firm backdrop for the overall B.C economy. The Vancouver 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games represent a multi-year stimulus to the regional economy for at least the next five years. In addition, the strength of the gas fields in the Greater Sierra and Cutbank Ridge regions, solid international trade, the thriving high tech industry and sharp improvements to the B.C. government's finances all complement B.C.'s overall growth. "Add it all up, and we think the B.C. economy can continue to nip at Alberta's heels, along with Newfoundland and Labrador, as one of the provincial growth leaders this year and next," said Wright.

The Economist Intelligence Unit ranked Vancouver as the world’s most livable city in 2006. The Mercer Group’s 2007 Quality of Living Survey ranked Vancouver third of 215 cities worldwide, and first in North America.

In January 2010, B.C.'s average weekly wage was over $812, fourth highest in Canada. The average weekly wage has risen by $164 - or more than 25 per cent - since 2001, when it was $648. (BC Stats). The average hourly wage in B.C. during January 2010 was $22.63 - more than 2.5 times the minimum wage, and a 26 per cent increase compared with 2001's average of $17.98. For B.C. youth under 25, the average hourly wage was $13 - third highest in Canada. (Statistics Canada). A British Columbian who earns the average weekly wage of $812 makes over $8,500 per year more today, before taxes, than they would have in 2001, when the average weekly wage was $648.

[faller]

LOL, sorry but i have to laugh a stats in general.. We and the eastern provinces are the fastest growing economies in Canada.... Not much of an accomplishment when you consider we were a "have not province" not that long ago. there was really only one direction left to go,,,,up.!!

[CanadianIron]

As a child raised in a house with 4 other kids, supported by 1 parent making less than $20/hour, I think I can speak for the children of poverty in BC saying that its all bullshit.

We used to come down from our rooms and sleep around our fireplace because my parents couldnt afford to heat our rooms. Nintendo, Sega... never had any of it... I never had shit til I was in my teens. And I dont feel like I suffered one bit. Its all bullshit IMO. If you have food in your stomach and a dry place to sleep, you arent poverty stricken.

[CanadianIron]

Defining Poverty
Central to any discussion on the definition of poverty is the classical economist Adam Smith (1723 – 1790) whose thoughts relating to poverty continue to be used by both sides of the debate today. For Smith poverty was essentially the lack of the basic necessities of life, which he called “necessaries”. Smith wrote:


By necessaries I understand not only the commodities which are indispensably necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a creditable day-labourer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt…. Custom, in the same manner, has rendered leather shoes a necessary of life in England. The poorest creditable person of either sex would be ashamed to appear in public without them. (Adam Smith: An Inquiry into the Nature And Causes of the Wealth of Nations, 1776, Book Five: Chapter II, Article IV)


According to Smith, there is in every society an absolute minimum standard of living which consists of survival necessities (shelter, food and clothes), plus additional non-survival necessities as determined by each society’s customs (such as owning a linen shirt and a pair leather shoes in his day). Together these necessities meet not only a person’s basic survival needs, but also allow that person to participate in society with dignity and without the shame and stigma often attached to being poor. To allow any person to live below this minimum standard would, to use Smith’s term, render that society “indecent.”

One of the strengths of Smith’s approach is that it prevents us from making invalid comparisons between widely different societies and economies. By his words, “the custom of the country,” Smith is saying that we cannot compare the poverty found in a country like Canada with the poverty of a country like Bangladesh where people earn just pennies a day. We cannot say that the poor in Canada live like kings compared to the poor in third world countries, and so by comparison are not really poor at all.

Another strength of this approach is that it’s not time-sensitive. Since the non-survival necessities of life are determined by the customs of a society, which can and do change over time, Smith’s method is as valid today as it was almost 300 years ago.

Unfortunately, this last strength is also its most serious weakness, in that it leaves the door wide open for disagreements over which specific commodities and how much of each should be included among the non-survival necessities of life, and this is exactly what is happening in the Canadian poverty debate today. Members of the anti-poverty coalition include far more items on this list than those of the pro-business coalition, who claim that these kinds of items are actually amenities, not necessities, and claim that by including such items the true meaning of the word poverty no longer applies.



Cliff notes... our poverty is in no way comparable to the poverty any where else in the world and is based on the standards defined by other canadians... so if all your friends have an Xbox360 and you dont, you're poverty stricken.

[natenator]

Cliff notes... our poverty is in no way comparable to the poverty any where else in the world and is based on the standards defined by other canadians... so if all your friends have an Xbox360 and you dont, you're poverty stricken.
I grew up with some Christmases where I got ogranges as an Xmas present cause that's all my mom could afford. Anything I got that was decent or plentiful came from my Aunts and Uncles.

Would you say I grew up poor?

[CanadianIron]

Yeah... but would you have liked being treated like a freak and have a bunch of self pleasing volunteers coming into your house to give you a toy car? I think most kids are happy even if the Canadian government thinks they're in poverty. Its just another media spin. As long as these kids have irresponsible parents, the money wont all go to them anyways.

[rob66679]

wade gets testy when he can't substantiate his "opinions"

It happens quite frequently.
Then he figures he'll get the last word in and make a shitty remark in his avatar. Make people forget about how he pulls numbers out of his ass.

[rob66679]

Do you know how an economy works?

Yeah, and it works a lot better when you don't assist people defrauding the system. Independent contractors my ass, you think you're the first one to think of that? I wouldn't throw that out there to much bro, revenue Canada isn't that dumb.
So if you figure that Montreal made enough spin-off to make the 76 Olympics worthwhile, tell us about it. They're still paying for it, so I hope so.

[Gilmour]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CANADA! We just got a gold in Moguls Skiing. Lets see the protesters take away the medal!


It was probably won on ancient Native burial grounds so I'm sure he'll have to give it back.

[Gilmour]

Yeah, and it works a lot better when you don't assist people defrauding the system. Independent contractors my ass, you think you're the first one to think of that? I wouldn't throw that out there to much bro, revenue Canada isn't that dumb.
So if you figure that Montreal made enough spin-off to make the 76 Olympics worthwhile, tell us about it. They're still paying for it, so I hope so.


Montreal and Quebec's debt was a direct result of never before seen inflation. B.C. and Vancouver won't suffer the same fate.

[Gilmour]

I grew up with some Christmases where I got ogranges as an Xmas present cause that's all my mom could afford. Anything I got that was decent or plentiful came from my Aunts and Uncles.

Would you say I grew up poor?


Ozzy got oranges and he says he was dirt poor so yeah, you were poor. You should form a heavy metal band. Worked for him.

[Gilmour]

Yeah... but would you have liked being treated like a freak and have a bunch of self pleasing volunteers coming into your house to give you a toy car? I think most kids are happy even if the Canadian government thinks they're in poverty. Its just another media spin. As long as these kids have irresponsible parents, the money wont all go to them anyways.


You hit the nail on the head. Welfare bums breed welfare bums. It is learned and it's from parenting. Why work when you get paid for making babies and sitting at home on the dole?

[PdH]

You hit the nail on the head. Welfare bums breed welfare bums. It is learned and it's from parenting. Why work when you get paid for making babies and sitting at home on the dole?

Dude, do you sit on your porch waving your cane and yelling at the happy children that are playing?

[Gilmour]

Dude, do you sit on your porch waving your cane and yelling at the happy children that are playing?


Why do you ask? You are the one with the drinking problem. I'm quite content. I love kids and anyone who works for a living. I HATE welfare bums, I feel bad for their kids. It ain't their fault their parents are filth. Do you come from a welfare family or are you just a crusader of injustice for the poor? I thought you weren't posting anymore on account of the rest of us not bringing anything worthwhile to the issue at hand?

[PdH]

Thought I'd bring some levity to the thread, but I guess you'd rather be grumpy.

I grew up on a farm, welfare wasn't an option. Hard work from the age of 10 was a daily activity.

[Gilmour]

Thought I'd bring some levity to the thread, but I guess you'd rather be grumpy.

I grew up on a farm, welfare wasn't an option. Hard work from the age of 10 was a daily activity.


Good for you. I have the nothing but respect for farmers. The true heroes IMO. Always get ****ed by the gov't. If anyone deserves the right to protest it's them. I worked my ass off for most of my life with my bare hands as well, although not at the age of 10. Farm boys tend to be good with the fists, maybe I wouldn't beat the shit out of you if given the opportunity.

As far as welfare bums go, I will never change. I give to the Yonge Street Mission every Xmas and Thanksgiving to feed the homeless and I spend 600-700 bucks a year on my sponsored child in Bolivia. Those people deserve my generosity, not some ****e like DaveV who spend his money on Lucky Lager at the beer store and buys 300 dollar shoes. **** 'em all. Canada - king of the handout.

[waderow]

Wade's cheap. He'll flow to anyone who shares a similar opinion with him. He likes the sheep. Bahhhh

I stick to my guns. SOmething you know nothing about. I have argued conservative ideals for the duration of my 5000+ posts, and have not swayed. You were not too long ago preaching how you are a conservative, but cant vote for them because you and your "sheep" liberal bellyacher ottawa clan "cant trust harper" (heard that a hundred times from every "vote east or die loser in the east". Over the last couple months you are more and more socialist to the point of officially being a fag. Also please note your dedicated defense of the gays we recently had here. I know I noted it.

Soooo, Nate, in my eyes you are a liberal homosexual at this moment. So much for being a conservative at heart eh?

[waderow]

probably for my first 2000 posts here, I backed up as much as I could. Now, I just dont have the patience because there is always some dumb ass bleeding heart who thinks we need to raise the lazy, their off spring, and do it by burden on the middle class. Liberalism is taught in the schools now. Its a disease and is ultimately the cause of the end of civilization.... You will notice our enemies are conservatives. They are stronger then us.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize that the mentally ill account for a low % of social assistance cases... too bad. I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to understand that the indian reserve situation is destructive to the native race, and reeks of aparthied.... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize that stats can be manipulated to show whatever results you want.... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize socialism doesn't and will never work... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

I am also smart enough to know that you can never convince a dumb **** lib otherwise... no matter what stats or back up you pull. They are too narrow minded to see it any other way. It is in their constitution and character to be weak and as nate says... a sheep. They want to be in a commune and have no rich, and no poor. No property, and no capitalist ideals. Years past these parasites were called commies. Now we call them Liberals.

[faller]

Gotta spread some more green around wade...

[waderow]

Gotta spread some more green around wade...

the liberal mind is a young and immature mind. The older and wiser you get, the more you realize that the conservative way is the only responsible way to rule. But being old doesn't necessarily make you wise, and being wise doesn't necessarily make you old. You will not get wise being in campus either....ever. The real world and life experience is the only way to wisdom.

thanks faller

[PdH]

probably for my first 2000 posts here, I backed up as much as I could. Now, I just dont have the patience because there is always some dumb ass bleeding heart who thinks we need to raise the lazy, their off spring, and do it by burden on the middle class. Liberalism is taught in the schools now. Its a disease and is ultimately the cause of the end of civilization.... You will notice our enemies are conservatives. They are stronger then us.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize that the mentally ill account for a low % of social assistance cases... too bad. I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to understand that the indian reserve situation is destructive to the native race, and reeks of aparthied.... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize that stats can be manipulated to show whatever results you want.... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize socialism doesn't and will never work... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

I am also smart enough to know that you can never convince a dumb **** lib otherwise... no matter what stats or back up you pull. They are too narrow minded to see it any other way. It is in their constitution and character to be weak and as nate says... a sheep. They want to be in a commune and have no rich, and no poor. No property, and no capitalist ideals. Years past these parasites were called commies. Now we call them Liberals.

You directing this toward me without having the fortitude to come right out and say it?

[SARGE]

Well since i started this thread.I totally agree the government spends our money foolishly,but i don"t believe in hand outs either.I do believe in welfare helping familys get back on there feet after unforeseen circumstances.I do believe in imigration,but get a sponsour,get a job & respect our laws & don't try to change them to fit your beliefs.**** off & go back to the shit hole you came from.I don't feel sorry for drug addicted,alcholic homeless people,that is there choice,there is help out there & its not hard to find.Welfare is probably the most abused service the country has other than illigal aliens or refugees
to be politically correct.

[faller]

The older and wiser you get, the more you realize that the conservative way is the only responsible way to rule.

Thats what i used to think until i moved to the island. We have a huge retired population here and damned near everyone of them is a socialist. Between the retired, unions and Gov. employies the movers and shakers are out voted at every election.

When stats show that the homeless and below poverty are on the decline across Canada and on the rise in BC they neglect to mention that that is because they are all moveing here. Take a walk down Victoria sometime, its like a petri dish, they thrive in the warm climate.

[daande]

I bet we can get you to keep posting....

I bet I could get him to post.

[daande]

You directing this toward me without having the fortitude to come right out and say it?

PdH, go huff gasoline laced with model glue, while you are drinking a two-four. Then go steal a GMC and rip it to the reserve where you and your buddies will tear it down and use the parts on all your GMC trucks. After your truck is repaired with stolen parts go smoke some of your home grown tobacco and gamble away government handouts in a Native casino. When your handout cash runs out don't get a job. Either pull over on the side of the highway in a stolen chip truck and setup shop to sell homemade cigarettes or get a picket sign and start protesting something for another handout. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

Pretty sure that sums up 99.9% of natives. Most likely not you though PdH if everything you tell us is true.

[Dryvrgrl]

Well since i started this thread.I totally agree the government spends our money foolishly,but i don"t believe in hand outs either.I do believe in welfare helping familys get back on there feet after unforeseen circumstances.I do believe in imigration,but get a sponsour,get a job & respect our laws & don't try to change them to fit your beliefs.**** off & go back to the shit hole you came from.I don't feel sorry for drug addicted,alcholic homeless people,that is there choice,there is help out there & its not hard to find.Welfare is probably the most abused service the country has other than illigal aliens or refugees
to be politically correct.

this is pretty much where I'm at also!

My mom came here on a boat with my grandparent... they had NOTHING. My grandparents worked hard and managed to not only own a house, but become quite successful, and also had a nice cottage in Lake of the woods... smart investing and careful planning put them in a comfortable retirement position... I took that example as a lesson and stive to live up to the example they set! Live within my means, plan carefully, invest wisely... it works with everything! Government, immigrants, aboriginals... no matter... apply the basic principals and reap the benifits!

[natenator]

Wade isn't a conservative. He's a right-wing ultra conservative who believes black is black and white is white.

If wade is so steadfast in his opinions I'd like to see him write an editorial that's published in his local newspaper. Let's see if he's willing to put his money where his mouth is and risk losing business by alienating people with his opinions. Something tells me Wade is just one of those closet types that keeps his opinions to himself or on the internet where no one can identify him.

[MMASTAR]

white is white and black is black, maybe its your vision that is off??

[natenator]

white is white and black is black, maybe its your vision that is off??
Well I live in a world of reality where there are shades of grey. I'm to see you folks are so close minded that you see no shades of other colour. Must be a dark, dark, depressing world you live in.

[natenator]

this is pretty much where I'm at also!

My mom came here on a boat with my grandparent... they had NOTHING. My grandparents worked hard and managed to not only own a house, but become quite successful, and also had a nice cottage in Lake of the woods... smart investing and careful planning put them in a comfortable retirement position... I took that example as a lesson and stive to live up to the example they set! Live within my means, plan carefully, invest wisely... it works with everything! Government, immigrants, aboriginals... no matter... apply the basic principals and reap the benifits!
Sounds great in theory but we're a socialist society here in Canada. We provide continuous funding to those who don't want to go out and work for their keep. A hand up is perfectly acceptable as everyone from time to time needs a bit of help getting back on their feet but handouts are how we work in this country.

We should be instilling Workfare in this country - not welfare.

Why would someone save for the future when they know the money train will never run out on them?

[waderow]

Thats what i used to think until i moved to the island. We have a huge retired population here and damned near everyone of them is a socialist. Between the retired, unions and Gov. employies the movers and shakers are out voted at every election.

When stats show that the homeless and below poverty are on the decline across Canada and on the rise in BC they neglect to mention that that is because they are all moveing here. Take a walk down Victoria sometime, its like a petri dish, they thrive in the warm climate.

BC spends a large amount on social assistance

[waderow]

Wade isn't a conservative. He's a right-wing ultra conservative who believes black is black and white is white.

If wade is so steadfast in his opinions I'd like to see him write an editorial that's published in his local newspaper. Let's see if he's willing to put his money where his mouth is and risk losing business by alienating people with his opinions. Something tells me Wade is just one of those closet types that keeps his opinions to himself or on the internet where no one can identify him.

i have been published three out of five in letters to the editor dumbass. lol

but editorial... if i have the time it wouldnt be so hard.

you forget nate, i live in the conservative heartland.

[waderow]

Well I live in a world of reality where there are shades of grey. I'm to see you folks are so close minded that you see no shades of other colour. Must be a dark, dark, depressing world you live in.

i thought you were the depressed one.

[MMASTAR]

Well I live in a world of reality where there are shades of grey. I'm to see you folks are so close minded that you see no shades of other colour. Must be a dark, dark, depressing world you live in.

not depressing, just simple, work hard, get ahead. I have no problem helping someone who needs it temporarily, but i dont need to be supporting anyone, i shouldnt have to earn enough to feed my family and someone elses. I live in a city where close to half the population are natives, they are not the same quality people we are, this is obvious. They are socialy ****ed and its because of all the handouts they get, they will never get the drive to go get a job as long as the white men are willing o support them. I say they all move to the reserve and we give them the just expired groceries, why the **** do we pay them again? cause we traded them butons and shiny things for there land? isnt a trade a trade?

[natenator]

not depressing, just simple, work hard, get ahead. I have no problem helping someone who needs it temporarily, but i dont need to be supporting anyone, i shouldnt have to earn enough to feed my family and someone elses. I live in a city where close to half the population are natives, they are not the same quality people we are, this is obvious. They are socialy ****ed and its because of all the handouts they get, they will never get the drive to go get a job as long as the white men are willing o support them. I say they all move to the reserve and we give them the just expired groceries, why the **** do we pay them again? cause we traded them butons and shiny things for there land? isnt a trade a trade?
I work hard and I'm ahead.

My life has no issues and I have zero financial problems and as long as I keep on keeping on I won't and will be retired out by the time I'm 50 on a coast somewhere warm lol

The problem with black and white is there are people who honestly need some help to get going again and with the utlra conservative view those people will get ****ed along with the assholes milking it.

As for the indians. Don't get me started on them. They lost a war and we paid them because we beat them. Only in Canada.

I grew up near the Six Nations reserve and had many that went to my high school. They didn't go to class but they did go to school on occasion. Useless ****ing scum the majority of them are. However, I actually knew some that were bright and applied themselves.

[natenator]

i have been published three out of five in letters to the editor dumbass. lol

but editorial... if i have the time it wouldnt be so hard.

you forget nate, i live in the conservative heartland.
True. Alberta is akin to the southern states.

[waderow]

True. Alberta is akin to the southern states.

really??? how many times have you been?

[natenator]

really??? how many times have you been?
3 times.

[MMASTAR]

I work hard and I'm ahead.

My life has no issues and I have zero financial problems and as long as I keep on keeping on I won't and will be retired out by the time I'm 50 on a coast somewhere warm lol

The problem with black and white is there are people who honestly need some help to get going again and with the utlra conservative view those people will get ****ed along with the assholes milking it.

As for the indians. Don't get me started on them. They lost a war and we paid them because we beat them. Only in Canada.

I grew up near the Six Nations reserve and had many that went to my high school. They didn't go to class but they did go to school on occasion. Useless ****ing scum the majority of them are. However, I actually knew some that were bright and applied themselves.


see nate, your coming around, there is nothing wrong with helping someone short term who needs a helping hand to get going again, but they have to be willing to help themselves and it should only be temporary, the screening process needs to be seriously reviewed, i have no financial issues and will also retire quite young, but when i see the diffrence between gross and net on each paycheck it makes me gag, i dont know what % ends up supporting all the employed, but i see how many in my city are unemployed (all indians)and it makes me sick.

[waderow]

3 times.

what cities, and what gave you the impression we are like the southern states.

landing in a jet in calgary to drop and load doesnt count either nate.

youre full of shit

[natenator]

see nate, your coming around, there is nothing wrong with helping someone short term who needs a helping hand to get going again, but they have to be willing to help themselves and it should only be temporary, the screening process needs to be seriously reviewed, i have no financial issues and will also retire quite young, but when i see the diffrence between gross and net on each paycheck it makes me gag, i dont know what % ends up supporting all the employed, but i see how many in my city are unemployed (all indians)and it makes me sick.
I am not coming around. I was already around. I am not a socialist. I work hard as anyone for my money and hate giving it away to uselessness BUT I live in a world of grey where there are people out there who need help getting back on their feet. They don't want a handout they just want a bit of help to get going again.

These people are productive members of society and are not leeches on our system. If I believed in black and white then I'd say screw those people... they can figure it out for themselves.

[natenator]

what cities, and what gave you the impression we are like the southern states.

landing in a jet in calgary to drop and load doesnt count either nate.

youre full of shit
Ultra conservative, right-wing views like you have. Speak to enough people and read enough articles from those in Alberta and that's what gives me my basis to say that.

Calgary twice and St. Albert (Edmonton).

[waderow]

Ultra conservative, right-wing views like you have. Speak to enough people and read enough articles from those in Alberta and that's what gives me my basis to say that.

Calgary twice and St. Albert (Edmonton).

i would love to see one of these "articles" lol

probably referring to internet forum.

alberta is full of hard working people. people who bust their asses to get ahead.
we have our trash.... like everyone. but all in all, there is much class here. arguably the finest university. we lead the world in certain fields of technology including carbon capture, and nanotechnology. we lead the world in fossil fuel refinement and extraction. we are a world factor in medical research.
we support canada financially and make it easier for men like you in ottawa to get rich.

not bad for a bunch of hillbillies eh?

[O-Train]

McGill, Toronto, UBC, Queens...There is much class in some areas of the Southern United States too...have you ever been there? You have to admit Wade that complaining about another person's ignorance while you are yourself ignorant of others is pretty dumb.

Arn't there a whole lot more guys getting rich in Alberta than in Ottawa? Please correct me if I'm wrong...I just don't seem to remember a large number of people moving to Ottawa because of money and jobs.

[O-Train]

Actually Wade, you would get along great with a lot people from the Southern U.S who are also racist and hate homosexuality.

[natenator]

Actually Wade, you would get along great with a lot people from the Southern U.S who are also racist and hate homosexuality.
My point was just made.

I am not the only one who see's it...

[Bowlcut]

McGill, Toronto, UBC, Queens...There is much class in some areas of the Southern United States too...have you ever been there? You have to admit Wade that complaining about another person's ignorance while you are yourself ignorant of others is pretty dumb.

Arn't there a whole lot more guys getting rich in Alberta than in Ottawa? Please correct me if I'm wrong...I just don't seem to remember a large number of people moving to Ottawa because of money and jobs.

Actually there are tons of people getting rich in Ottawa. They are called bureaucrats and contractors who get rich of everyone's taxes.

I love how people think southerns are racist, but if anyone is familiar with history they would realize that some of the most ardent racists have been in the North, and having visited places like NYC I can tell you there is tons of segregation there.

[cog]

Actually Wade, you would get along great with a lot people from the Southern U.S who are also racist and hate homosexuality.

I once knew a guy from the Ottawa area,he went through a bad divorce,he had been a contractor doing office reno' for the gov.The stories....they don't care about the cost,they just want it now.Those contractors aren't going to be saying much.....

[CanadianIron]

So how about those protestors?

[CanadianIron]

I heard them say on the news this morning that the guy that headed the violent protests was a man from WA state and he had asked the civil observers to not show up ahead of time... trouble maker should be behind bars.

[daande]

McGill, Toronto, UBC, Queens...There is much class in some areas of the Southern United States too...have you ever been there? You have to admit Wade that complaining about another person's ignorance while you are yourself ignorant of others is pretty dumb.

Arn't there a whole lot more guys getting rich in Alberta than in Ottawa? Please correct me if I'm wrong...I just don't seem to remember a large number of people moving to Ottawa because of money and jobs.

Pretty sure Toronto is where its at.

[daande]

I think the government needs to set a date within the next 10 years and cut off all Aboriginal programs that are meant for them only.

EDIT: How long will this go on for? There has to be an end.

[waderow]

McGill, Toronto, UBC, Queens...There is much class in some areas of the Southern United States too...have you ever been there? You have to admit Wade that complaining about another person's ignorance while you are yourself ignorant of others is pretty dumb.

Arn't there a whole lot more guys getting rich in Alberta than in Ottawa? Please correct me if I'm wrong...I just don't seem to remember a large number of people moving to Ottawa because of money and jobs.

who am i ignorant of? the lazy? the leeches of society? the classless? edit: the homosexuals? edit: the immigrants?

to answer your alberta question. Yes. as a matter of fact there is people getting rich here. Myself included. We have had strong conservative leadership on a provincial level for government. It is the conservative heartland, as I have mentioned. Oil and gas rich. And people here have much better work ethics then lets say..... quebec or ontario.

My statement that somehow offended you was to illustrate that Alberta is keeping you schmucks' noses above water in these questionable times. thank us, dont mock us.

[waderow]

Actually Wade, you would get along great with a lot people from the Southern U.S who are also racist and hate homosexuality.

I am sure I would. Got a problem with that?

[waderow]

Actually there are tons of people getting rich in Ottawa. They are called bureaucrats and contractors who get rich of everyone's taxes.

I love how people think southerns are racist, but if anyone is familiar with history they would realize that some of the most ardent racists have been in the North, and having visited places like NYC I can tell you there is tons of segregation there.

oh yeah. the lucrative government contracts.... Adscam comes to mind. Untendered gravy contracts galore.

Shit, I should move to Ottawa. I have financially supported Harper. Maybe he will throw a little back my way

[cog]

Myself I am simply too busy to worry about who is sleeping with who,Wade.You're not happy with that little tighty that you're engaged to?

[waderow]

Myself I am simply too busy to worry about who is sleeping with who,Wade.You're not happy with that little tighty that you're engaged to?


well I wouldnt care either, but for some reason, those who call themself gay keep costing tax dollars and ending up in the paper on their own accord, so it has become my problem

and yes, all is good on the home front.

[cog]

So how about those protestors?

They still around?I thought you would have found a solution for them by now.

[cog]

well I wouldnt care either, but for some reason, those who call themself gay keep costing tax dollars and ending up in the paper on their own accord, so it has become my problem

and yes, all is good on the home front.

Glad to hear that.

[PdH]

I'm just going to assume that this is directed toward me because of the obvious correlation to previous discussion.


Liberalism is taught in the schools now. Its a disease and is ultimately the cause of the end of civilization.... You will notice our enemies are conservatives. They are stronger then us.

It seems to me that 'conservatives' of your stripe are always looking for enemies. I wonder what the end of civilization will be caused by.


If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize that the mentally ill account for a low % of social assistance cases... too bad. I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

Here's my original statement: "A lot of mentally ill people don't have the capacity to 'help' themselves. A good percentage of the homeless are mentally ill, which tends to complicate any sort of rehabilitative measures, particularly when the majority of mental health institutions have been closed."

Once again Waderow attempts to divert and transform the topic at hand into something that conforms with his point of view. Hence, mentally ill homeless transforms into all those on social assistance. Considering that a good percentageof homeless don't even qualify for welfare, you can't really include them in the issue of social assistance. For example, in Vancouver 75% of homeless people do not access social assistance. (City of Vancouver. Homeless Action Plan, 2005) You attempt this diversion tactic whenever you don't have factual support for your opinions and it's painful to watch, like the last gasp of breath from a desperate dying man.


If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to understand that the indian reserve situation is destructive to the native race, and reeks of aparthied.... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

I didn't realize you were an expert on Aboriginal affairs. That being the case, I'd like to get your expert opinion on some issues.

The First Nations Governance Act was rejected by a majority of Aboriginal peoples b/c it was apparent that a number of provisions were making an end run around fiduciary responsibility. Do you think that if those provisions were removed, the Act would provide the necessary capacity measures needed for First Nations to transform their communities?

Ever since Gladstone their seems to be a steady erosion of the 35(1) rights as elucidated in Sparrow. What strategies would you recommend to address this erosion?

Do you think the consultation and accommodation principles as developed in Haida will have a positive effect on the private utilization of resources on First Nations' land. I worked on the case a bit myself, but I'd like to get an expert's point of view.

Do you think the issue of federal paramountcy on reserves is in the best interests of First Nations, or would it be more beneficial to defer to provincial legislation.

Thanks for all your help.


If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize that stats can be manipulated to show whatever results you want.... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

I know a little bit about stats and the reasons and methods for manipulation. Could you identify for me the reasons and methods for the manipulation of the stats I've provided. Thanks, stats is not my strongest subject and it would really help me out.


If you are too sheltered and/or too stupid to realize socialism doesn't and will never work... too bad, I know the truth because I am smarter then you.

I'm not a socialist, at least not by the standard definition. I guess maybe by your extremest conservative definition I might be. You kind of remind me of extremest fundamentalist Muslims in your thinking. Opposite sides of the same coin.


I am also smart enough to know that you can never convince a dumb **** lib otherwise... no matter what stats or back up you pull.

You don't provide any stats or legitimate support for your assertions. You simply offer personal opinion formed by the vast life experience gained from living in some hick town in Alberta. Ahhhh, wisdom.

You know Waderow, after nearly a year of reading your posts, I've come to the conclusion that you would be quite content with the extermination of blacks, homosexuals, and pretty much anyone else that doesn't conform with your notions of political and social reality. In fact, I think it would bring you joy. What do we call such people again?

I know you're used of goading people into silence, but you can be sure that you won't shut me down.

By the way, if you're going to go on about how smart you are, at least get the grammar right.

[waderow]

I'm just going to assume that this is directed toward me because of the obvious correlation to previous discussion.

TO YOU AND ALL LIBS

It seems to me that 'conservatives' of your stripe are always looking for enemies. I wonder what the end of civilization will be caused by.

BY PUSSIES LIKE YOU WHO WANT TO DEGRADE SOCIETY WITH YOUR COMMUNIST VIEWS.

Here's my original statement: "A lot of mentally ill people don't have the capacity to 'help' themselves. A good percentage of the homeless are mentally ill, which tends to complicate any sort of rehabilitative measures, particularly when the majority of mental health institutions have been closed."

Once again Waderow attempts to divert and transform the topic at hand into something that conforms with his point of view. Hence, mentally ill homeless transforms into all those on social assistance. Considering that a good percentageof homeless don't even qualify for welfare, you can't really include them in the issue of social assistance. For example, in Vancouver 75% of homeless people do not access social assistance. (City of Vancouver. Homeless Action Plan, 2005) You attempt this diversion tactic whenever you don't have factual support for your opinions and it's painful to watch, like the last gasp of breath from a desperate dying man.

SO YOU AGREE WITH ME THEN??? OR NOT???? WHAT IS IT? SOUNDS LIKE YOU AGREE WITH ME

I didn't realize you were an expert on Aboriginal affairs. That being the case, I'd like to get your expert opinion on some issues.

The First Nations Governance Act was rejected by a majority of Aboriginal peoples b/c it was apparent that a number of provisions were making an end run around fiduciary responsibility. Do you think that if those provisions were removed, the Act would provide the necessary capacity measures needed for First Nations to transform their communities?

Ever since Gladstone their seems to be a steady erosion of the 35(1) rights as elucidated in Sparrow. What strategies would you recommend to address this erosion?

Do you think the consultation and accommodation principles as developed in Haida will have a positive effect on the private utilization of resources on First Nations' land. I worked on the case a bit myself, but I'd like to get an expert's point of view.

Do you think the issue of federal paramountcy on reserves is in the best interests of First Nations, or would it be more beneficial to defer to provincial legislation.

Thanks for all your help.

LOL YOU'RE A JOKE PDH! FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. THE WHITES CAME HERE, AND FREED A BUNCH OF SAVAGES FROM HAVING TO LIVE LIKE ANIMALS MIGRATING AWAY FROM THEIR SHIT PILES. NOTHING IS OWED TO THEM... THEY OWE THE WHITE MAN. IF THEY REALLY WANT, TURN THEM ALL FREE IN THE FOREST WITH A BOW AND ARROW, AND PAIR OF MOCCASSINS. SEE HOW LONG THAT LASTS FOR BEFORE THEY COME BEGGING FOR BOOZE, FOOD, WATER, AND SHELTER. ITS OVER, GET OVER IT. GET OFF THE TIT. TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF AND TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. OH BOO HOO, A PRIEST STICK HIS FINGER IN MY BUM. BOO HOO, THE WHITE MAN STOLE MY LAND... BOO HOO, THE WHITE MAN TOOK MY CULTURE... **** OFF ALREADY.

AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO WRITE YOU A THESIS ON INDIAN AFFAIRS SO **** OFF. SOME OF US HAVE JOBS. THE ACT, AS WRITTEN SHOULD NOT EXIST. THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT REJECTED ACT PROVISIONS IS ALL ABOUT MORE $$$. NOTHING MORE. ITS ALL ABOUT GREED. NO TREATY SHOULD BE HONORED, AND ALL HANDOUTS SHOULD CEASE. END OF STORY.


I know a little bit about stats and the reasons and methods for manipulation. Could you identify for me the reasons and methods for the manipulation of the stats I've provided. Thanks, stats is not my strongest subject and it would really help me out.


SO YOU AGREE WITH ME? OR NOT???

I'm not a socialist, at least not by the standard definition. I guess maybe by your extremest conservative definition I might be. You kind of remind me of extremest fundamentalist Muslims in your thinking. Opposite sides of the same coin.



You don't provide any stats or legitimate support for your assertions. You simply offer personal opinion formed by the vast life experience gained from living in some hick town in Alberta. Ahhhh, wisdom.

IGNORANT? DO YOU KNOW ME? ALL I KNOW IS YOU HAVE HAD YOUR NOSE IN A BOOK FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND KNOW **** ALL ABOUT THE REAL WORLD. YOU USE THE EXCUSE OF BEING RAISED BY LOWLIFE INDIANS MAKE YOU SO WORLDLY, BUT IN REALITY, YOURE JUST A CLUELESS TEACHER.
(IF YOU CANT SUCCEED, YOU TEACH)

You know Waderow, after nearly a year of reading your posts, I've come to the conclusion that you would be quite content with the extermination of blacks, homosexuals, and pretty much anyone else that doesn't conform with your notions of political and social reality. In fact, I think it would bring you joy. What do we call such people again?

EXTERMINATION? NAW. EQUAL RIGHTS? SURE, EXCEPT WHERE IT DEGRADES TRADITIONAL CANADIAN FAMILY VALUES. STATUS QUO IS TO AFFORD MORE RIGHTS TO THE MINORITIES.

I know you're used of goading people into silence, but you can be sure that you won't shut me down.

AND YOUR WAY OF GOADING PEOPLE INTO SILENCE IS COPY AND PASTING DOCTORAL BULLSHIT IN A BODYBUILDING FORUM TO TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE THE GRAND POOHBAH OF EVERYTHING...REALITY IS THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING, YOU ARE IGNORANT, AND JUDGING BY THIS POST, YOU ARE AN INDIAN APOLOGIST WHO IS LIKELY USING YOUR EDUCATION TO ONLY FURTHER INDIAN INTERESTS, PULLING FOR EVER MORE TITTY ON CANADAS BELLY. YOU DISGUST ME. MEN LIKE YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR RACE. EDIT: MEN LIKE YOU HAVE DESTROYED YOUR RACE...

By the way, if you're going to go on about how smart you are, at least get the grammar right.

WOW



IN RED

[buildinthaskinnys]

i would love to see one of these "articles" lol

probably referring to internet forum.

alberta is full of hard working people. people who bust their asses to get ahead.
we have our trash.... like everyone. but all in all, there is much class here. arguably the finest university. we lead the world in certain fields of technology including carbon capture, and nanotechnology. we lead the world in fossil fuel refinement and extraction. we are a world factor in medical research.
we support canada financially and make it easier for men like you in ottawa to get rich.

not bad for a bunch of hillbillies eh?

I dont agree with that, if we are leaders of refining it is only because of necessity, because alberta is known to have some of the shittiest oil in the world not including the oil sands, and as far as the extraction process, not really time setting neither, its harder to extract than in saudi arabia but not unlike many places around the world, drilling isnt very complicated, except maybe in the foot hills, if it was it was 50 years ago, near the end of the easy oil period.

[buildinthaskinnys]

If it wasnt for the oil in alberta we would have nothing here, thanks to the conservative government (and yes i did vote for them cocksuckers) they have done little to nothing to build an industy that does not directly revolve around the petroleum industy, so lets hope that Ed Stelmach and the C - money crew doesent pull anymore boners for the next few years as they did with the revised royalties plan that nearly killed the shallow gas industry, and we can ride out this dwindling source of revenue for at least a few more decades before big oil pulls its pant legs up and moves to Saskatchewan or as I like to call them "Baby Alberta".

[PdH]

BY PUSSIES LIKE YOU WHO WANT TO DEGRADE SOCIETY WITH YOUR COMMUNIST VIEWS.

Do you even know what communism is, and if so, please identify which of my views are communist.

SO YOU AGREE WITH ME THEN??? OR NOT???? WHAT IS IT? SOUNDS LIKE YOU AGREE WITH ME

Nice attempt at another diversion.

LOL YOU'RE A JOKE PDH! FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. THE WHITES CAME HERE, AND FREED A BUNCH OF SAVAGES FROM HAVING TO LIVE LIKE ANIMALS MIGRATING AWAY FROM THEIR SHIT PILES. NOTHING IS OWED TO THEM... THEY OWE THE WHITE MAN. IF THEY REALLY WANT, TURN THEM ALL FREE IN THE FOREST WITH A BOW AND ARROW, AND PAIR OF MOCCASSINS. SEE HOW LONG THAT LASTS FOR BEFORE THEY COME BEGGING FOR BOOZE, FOOD, WATER, AND SHELTER. ITS OVER, GET OVER IT. GET OFF THE TIT. TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF AND TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. OH BOO HOO, A PRIEST STICK HIS FINGER IN MY BUM. BOO HOO, THE WHITE MAN STOLE MY LAND... BOO HOO, THE WHITE MAN TOOK MY CULTURE... **** OFF ALREADY. AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO WRITE YOU A THESIS ON INDIAN AFFAIRS SO **** OFF. SOME OF US HAVE JOBS. THE ACT, AS WRITTEN SHOULD NOT EXIST. THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT REJECTED ACT PROVISIONS IS ALL ABOUT MORE $$$. NOTHING MORE. ITS ALL ABOUT GREED. NO TREATY SHOULD BE HONORED, AND ALL HANDOUTS SHOULD CEASE. END OF STORY.

That's an interesting point of view. What's it like wallowing in all that hatred and fear? Maybe you should answer the questions instead of trying to divert with shit pulled out of your ass, being that you're the expert.

SO YOU AGREE WITH ME? OR NOT???

Answering a question with a question is another diversion tactic utilized by those who profess to know, but do not.

IGNORANT? DO YOU KNOW ME? ALL I KNOW IS YOU HAVE HAD YOUR NOSE IN A BOOK FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND KNOW **** ALL ABOUT THE REAL WORLD. YOU USE THE EXCUSE OF BEING RAISED BY LOWLIFE INDIANS MAKE YOU SO WORLDLY, BUT IN REALITY, YOURE JUST A CLUELESS TEACHER. (IF YOU CANT SUCCEED, YOU TEACH)

I would be willing to bet I've worked more years than you. I just happen to be productive. I don't know what that other jibberish you're going on about is, but it's classic waderow. Insult as much as possible and hope to silence the reader.

EXTERMINATION? NAW. EQUAL RIGHTS? SURE, EXCEPT WHERE IT DEGRADES TRADITIONAL CANADIAN FAMILY VALUES. STATUS QUO IS TO AFFORD MORE RIGHTS TO THE MINORITIES.

You certainly like to contradict yourself. In the same sentence at that.

AND YOUR WAY OF GOADING PEOPLE INTO SILENCE IS COPY AND PASTING DOCTORAL BULLSHIT IN A BODYBUILDING FORUM TO TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE THE GRAND POOHBAH OF EVERYTHING...REALITY IS THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING, YOU ARE IGNORANT, AND JUDGING BY THIS POST, YOU ARE AN INDIAN APOLOGIST WHO IS LIKELY USING YOUR EDUCATION TO ONLY FURTHER INDIAN INTERESTS, PULLING FOR EVER MORE TITTY ON CANADAS BELLY. YOU DISGUST ME. MEN LIKE YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR RACE. EDIT: MEN LIKE YOU HAVE DESTROYED YOUR RACE...

I don't copy and paste much at all. I write. Blah, blah blah. More of your mindless banter designed to try and silence. Try a new approach, your emotional responses don't affect me. A well considered intellectual response illuminating flaws in my logic would be much more effective.

WOW

Well, if you're going to go on about how smart you are, it seems kind of self-defeating to do it in a stupid way, don't you think?

[phatty]

oops

[Gilmour]

I hate when you get up in the middle of the night to piss and the piss goes out sideways onto the wall because your pisshole is partly jizzed shut due to spanking it on the spanksock before falling asleep.

[CanadianIron]

There is nothing worse than peeing on your own floor... so I concur.

[Dryvrgrl]

I hate when you get up in the middle of the night to piss and the piss goes out sideways onto the wall because your pisshole is partly jizzed shut due to spanking it on the spanksock before falling asleep.

you should protest it!

[CanadianIron]

Ok, I'm out. Once those who believe they're truly informed through the media come to argue supposition as fact it's time to move on.

Just thought I'd remind you...

[PdH]

Just thought I'd remind you...

When someone makes personal attacks and calls me a parasite I will respond.

[daande]

NOTHING is owed to ****ing stupid natives. We came here 200 years ago. It has to stop. Look at the map of the world, it is how it is today because of people coming and taking land etc.

[CanadianIron]

We are all born onto the land, how do we know the indians didnt come to north america 3000 years ago a slaughter off a bunch of other people... we dont.

Like you said, its all 200 years ago, its old news. I think they should take away the rights as well, or just give them a land reserve and let them start their own country up north.

[O-Train]

We are all born onto the land, how do we know the indians didnt come to north america 3000 years ago a slaughter off a bunch of other people... we dont.

Like you said, its all 200 years ago, its old news. I think they should take away the rights as well, or just give them a land reserve and let them start their own country up north.

Actually it's funny you mention that because I'm fairly sure I was watching a show that touched on something like that. In the far north there was a group of "original people" who were here before the Inuit. I bet I can find something on the Internet about it.

[O-Train]

The Dorset culture occupied the Canadian Arctic and parts of Greenland from approximately 500 B.C. until around 1000 A.D. Dorset appears to have been a more successful adaptation to the conditions of this region than the preceding Arctic Small Tool tradition cultures from which it developed. This is demonstrated by the huge area occupied by Dorset groups and by evidence that they had perfected winter hunting on the sea ice. This was important since the Dorset people appear to have adapted very successfully to a climate that had become colder than that of encountered by their ancestors of the Arctic Small Tool tradition cultures. However, when the people of the Thule culture arrived in the Canadian Arctic around 1000 years ago the Dorset had largely or entirely disappeared for reasons that are not well understood.

There was also Pre-Dorset or Arctic Small Tools Tradition: http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/anthropology/manarchnet/chronology/arctic/pre-dorset.html
Or
http://anthropology.uwaterloo.ca/ArcticArchStuff/ASTt.html

Going back further you have The Paleo-artic tradition:
http://anthropology.uwaterloo.ca/ArcticArchStuff/paleoarctic.html

The way in which the Dorset culture was replaced by what we now think of as Inuit culture is not well understood. The show I was watching made suggestions that it may have been violent although I don't think anyone really knows.

[O-Train]

Quote: "The disappearance of the Dorset culture was primarily a result of cultural, physical and linguistic assimilation by the Thule culture".

Source: Artic Institue of North America

So the Inuit did to the Dorset exactly what we should have done. Clearly it works well and reusults in the least amount of problems.

[daande]

I think it is a unanimous decision, PdH is a racist.

[cog]

I don't know if he's a racist but he has some mighty thick skin to put up with some of your comments daande.It's actually rather amusing to hear you guys talk about Wade.

[PdH]

I don't know if he's a racist but he has some mighty thick skin to put up with some of your comments daande.

lol. I have daande on ignore. In my mind he's just a prepubescent nuisance.

[Gilmour]

you should protest it!

Should I go after the sock people or the toliet peeps?

[SARGE]

I dont agree with that, if we are leaders of refining it is only because of necessity, because alberta is known to have some of the shittiest oil in the world not including the oil sands, and as far as the extraction process, not really time setting neither, its harder to extract than in saudi arabia but not unlike many places around the world, drilling isnt very complicated, except maybe in the foot hills, if it was it was 50 years ago, near the end of the easy oil period.

So you must be a petroleum engineer?

[waderow]

So you must be a petroleum engineer?

so you must be a university guidance counselor?


lol

sorry, just poking fun at the resident professional student

[kloan]

this thread has been both amusing and enlightening. true colors shining through and all that wonderful stuff... most entertaining.

[faller]

Whoa that was a lot of reading!! Too much blood and guts for me :)

[SARGE]

so you must be a university guidance counselor?


lol

sorry, just poking fun at the resident professional student

No but i stayed at a holiday inn last night.haha

[Bowlcut]

I hate when you get up in the middle of the night to piss and the piss goes out sideways onto the wall because your pisshole is partly jizzed shut due to spanking it on the spanksock before falling asleep.

Bath tub brother. Bath tub.

[daande]

I don't know if he's a racist but he has some mighty thick skin to put up with some of your comments daande.It's actually rather amusing to hear you guys talk about Wade.

Racism.