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MMASTAR
12-02-2010, 11:05 AM
Couple questions, if injecting every other day can u just alternate glutes? and how painfull are test prop shots? and what is the usual dose? thanks gents.

nitrous
12-02-2010, 11:08 AM
i would say no you should have more injection sites than glutes if you are injecting EOD.. delts are easy.. lats arent too bad.. add in those and that is more than enough..

as for the dosage it depends on experience with past cycles, current weight, goals, etc..

L3
12-02-2010, 11:10 AM
delts and glutes should be OK, as long as you havent pinned in them too much before

i like pecs, but the thicker the oil the more painful

prop is anywhere from 100 - 150 EOD

tiramisu
12-02-2010, 11:11 AM
I "personally" don't like to pin a spot more than once a week.
Delts, Glutes, Ventro-Gluteal, Quads.... I've been thinking of adding lats but haven't quite felt the need yet.

ironwill
12-02-2010, 11:49 AM
Couple questions, if injecting every other day can u just alternate glutes? and how painfull are test prop shots? and what is the usual dose? thanks gents.

I have recently been able to come up with a technique to pin glutes as they are ral hard to reach at times.........prior to that i used delts and bis only....
You can do rear delts, medial delts......I dont think it would be a problem doing glutes, right, then left, then medial delt right, medial delt left, then rear right, rear left and repeat.....

TryGear
12-02-2010, 12:04 PM
went from t400 to prop, the prop was painless compared to t400, 4 sites for EOD pinning should be fine, ran 100mg eod and was satisfied with the results.

Vitamin S
12-02-2010, 12:54 PM
100mg EOD due to ester half life. rotate or you will get scar tissue.

MMASTAR
12-02-2010, 01:57 PM
im just looking to kickstart a test e cycle, so would 50mg eod for 3 weeks suffice? with 4 injections sites? what length needle in shoulders? 1 inch? mostly just looking to keep muscle mass as i have a fight in a month and have to shed a few pounds.

PdH
12-02-2010, 02:08 PM
I think you'd be better off with 100 EOD for 3 weeks. 1 inch in the delt. :)

methadone
12-02-2010, 02:15 PM
guys im confused, wouldn't 100mg eod (assuming u shoot mon wed and fri) just be 300mg/week ?

L3
12-02-2010, 02:25 PM
you forgot sunday

methadone
12-02-2010, 02:28 PM
oh, right, heh

but even then, at 100mg a day, that would be 400mg one week, 300mg the other week...

or am i just completely looking at this the completely wrong way

is prop stronger than enth or cyp because of the ester and therefore not as much is needed?

bossman_1986
12-02-2010, 02:32 PM
whats the most oil you should inject in the delt?? im gonna start going higher in doses next cycle and its gonna be alotta oil haha

L3
12-02-2010, 02:33 PM
mine are pretty small, depending on the oil used, 1.5 - 2cc

PdH
12-02-2010, 02:49 PM
oh, right, heh

but even then, at 100mg a day, that would be 400mg one week, 300mg the other week...

or am i just completely looking at this the completely wrong way

is prop stronger than enth or cyp because of the ester and therefore not as much is needed?

The basic rule is that test is test, but when you use prop and suspension your blood levels are flooded and reach their peak much quicker, so not as much is needed to get the same effect.

methadone
12-02-2010, 02:58 PM
alright thanks for clearing that up

Delt King
12-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Now, you have to remember that the ester is going to add more weight to the molecule. The larger the ester the less base steroid there is going to be in a 100mg steroid ester.


Chemical Formula

Molecular Weight

Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester)
100mg
Acetate
87.26mg
Propionate
83.72mg
Enanthate*
71.99mg
Cypionate
69.90mg
Decanoate
65.15mg

dremen
12-02-2010, 03:11 PM
whats the most oil you should inject in the delt?? im gonna start going higher in doses next cycle and its gonna be alotta oil haha

Well that depends on you dude. I can do 3ml in side delt and 2ml in rear delt with no real pain, but it also depends on yer gear bro. With new gear i always do a 1ml test shot in the glute to determine the pain factor and if it's just a minor sting or burn then i will pin it anywhere with ml's anywhere between 1-5 depending on the site.

Glutes can handle 5ml in one inject, delts can handle 3ml no problem, side tricep"T" can handle 1.5ml, lats(if in deep) can go up to 3mls, outside quads up to 2mls and outside calf i do 1.5ml with no problems. Chest/traps/inside calf/lower quads have way to many nerves n vains to pin.

tex
12-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Well that depends on you dude. I can do 3ml in side delt and 2ml in rear delt with no real pain, but it also depends on yer gear bro. With new gear i always do a 1ml test shot in the glute to determine the pain factor and if it's just a minor sting or burn then i will pin it anywhere with ml's anywhere between 1-5 depending on the site.

Glutes can handle 5ml in one inject, delts can handle 3ml no problem, side tricep"T" can handle 1.5ml, lats(if in deep) can go up to 3mls, outside quads up to 2mls and outside calf i do 1.5ml with no problems. Chest/traps/inside calf/lower quads have way to many nerves n vains to pin. a 5ml shot for a 200lb man?! only if you're 5'2" ;)

beretta96
12-02-2010, 05:13 PM
I'll be doing a eod cycle soon as well. I'm going to use glutes and quads. I can see the veins in my quads so I think it will be OK. Don't know about the pain though! We'll see.

ironwill
12-02-2010, 05:17 PM
whats the most oil you should inject in the delt?? im gonna start going higher in doses next cycle and its gonna be alotta oil haha

I can throw 3mls in delts pretty easy, with no pain...Ive done 3mls in bis back in the day, but dont shoot bis anymore......I lost my edge for them, now i get freaked out...lol

GYMBRAT
12-02-2010, 05:20 PM
same, I've plunged 3mls everywhere I thought I could, but have turned chicken a bit....comes with age I think :(

Memo
12-02-2010, 06:15 PM
guys im confused, wouldn't 100mg eod (assuming u shoot mon wed and fri) just be 300mg/week ?

there 3.5 shot in a week so EOD 100mg a shot would be 350mg a week.

daande
12-02-2010, 06:42 PM
Left quad, right quad, left delt, right delt, left glute, right glute.

MMASTAR
12-02-2010, 06:45 PM
how long till you "feel" test prop? ive heard 5 - 6 days??

PdH
12-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Prop only has a half-life of 2-3 days. When I use prop I can feel a difference within 2 days of my last shot. It's in and out pretty quick.

zziggzzigg
12-02-2010, 07:42 PM
I feel it within a day, same with cypionate anyways which I prefer, depends how much you do, too

prop makes me feel shitty most of the time, never did like it that much

PdH
12-02-2010, 08:13 PM
I feel it within a day, same with cypionate anyways which I prefer, depends how much you do, too

How much cyp are you using to be able to feel it in 1 day?

zziggzzigg
14-02-2010, 07:33 PM
How much cyp are you using to be able to feel it in 1 day?

I think it is more of where you are coming from in levels, if I am low or shut down and do a shot of cyp I can definitely feel the difference in a day. If you are already at normal levels or already have test in your system, it would be harder to tell.

Kilburn
14-02-2010, 10:08 PM
glute is such a huge muscle it shouldnt be too bad. u could just move an inch down for each shot.

but i would just do glutes and delts. delts are the easiest for me.

MMASTAR
20-02-2010, 09:10 PM
How long until test prop i out of your system? i mean to take a blood test to see test levels, not a drug test.