gh aas question.

[Boost]

Say you used steroids for a few years and after those few years they seem to stop working as quickly and/or as well as they did in the beginning. Why is this? I may have a good idea here...

At this point all of your muscle cells are probably maxed out. Grown to their maximum size by training like an animal and using aas's. What if at that point you then took gh to increase the number of muscle cells in your body and then used aas's again to grow all the new muscle cells in the body? Would you end up with larger muscles than you could of ever had beforehand?

You would probably get alot bigger faster and more efficiently by making new muscle cells larger than trying to make large maxed out muscle cells larger.

Maybe this is a reason why aas's slow down with time and use.

[Demonwolf]

more or less.

That's why after several cycle years people jump on hgh ,igf and Mgf with their roids.

[Bigtred]

Actually, we don't "max out" that easily. Too many people want to get big and muscular without paying their dues. Most seasoned BB's will tell you that they've probably gained 3 to 5 lbs of muscle per YEAR! but over several years that adds up.

Many young guys think that AAS and Gh etc etc will help them bypass the YEARS of proper eating and training needed.. Good luck

[MassNutrition]

You have to look at genetics too. I have Bros who have paid their dues over the years, and will never make the Olympia stage. There are only a few dozen elite bodybuilders in the WORLD...

[tripleA]

We all have our genetic limits. The closer you try to get to the ceiling, the hard it becomes. So each cycle usually yields less and less results unless you start using different compounds or increasing your doses or both.

[BolicPower]

Person at my gym, says he's maxed out after 2 yrs. lmao, oh he's all 180lbs wet. I think most thats trained under 5yrs should just chill if your looking to "max out" for size and imo you'd still have lots of time and room to grow, there's diet,gear,training,sleeping, and according to 9 outta 10 kids everythings on spec,lol, and can't figure out why he's not big after 2yrs. Not saying everyone will be big as most say genetic's play a role also,but most for most, if you are strict in training etc then you'd be very big. Then there's dudes who train 10-20yrs ,THEN muscle maturity starts. Saying one is maxed out can have many meanings, as in size? maxed out for being ripped? both? I personaly dont' think GH will give you more mass then gear, but will help to rip one up. Some use it for dieting, some bulking, this is when diet comes into play. Most pro's dont' even "max out" every year, add some sort of muscle.

[Boost]

Person at my gym, says he's maxed out after 2 yrs. lmao, oh he's all 180lbs wet.

When I say maxed out muscle cells I mean to the point that each muscle cell in the body is in fact very close to maximum size. Im talking about the fact, not the belief.

[RJ*]

heres a theory i strongly believe

(stolen from animals board)
Yes, you will see that this study is in WOMEN on birth control, but as many believe SHBG (and cortisone response courtesy of the russian studies) is the reason you LOSE AS effectiveness during a cycle as SHBG goes up as the AS goes up, you will see the reason to read this.

A boston univ study tested 124 young women with sexual dysfunction. They found SHBG was 4 times HIGHER than normal in those who were on the pill. (Keep in mind that the amount of SHBG which would be generated from the minimal amount of AS in the pill is infitesimal compared to what a male AS user takes and would GENERATE from esterification/aromatization. In other words, you are way more ****ed!)

Furthermore, women who had stopped taking oral contraceptives a YEAR earlier still had 100% to 300% MORE SHBG than normal!

THAT is the reason your NEXT cycle is NEVER as good as your first unless you wait for YEARS! It looks like your SHBG is messed up for a LONG, LOnG time!
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[RJ*]

continued

It WILL work the same in men and women by the very biochemistry by which SHBG functions:
'The hepatically derived (1) plasma protein, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG)1 has two apparently disparate functions. It is the major regulator of free estrogens and androgens in plasma (2-4); it is an initiating component of a signaling system for estrogens and androgens at the cell membrane that functions via a G protein (5) and cAMP (6-9). The details of the working of these systems generate a model that is in need of clarification in a number of crucial respects. In this paper we present data that deal with the source of the SHBG for signaling at the cell membrane. These data support a model in which the source of SHBG for signaling is not the plasma, but rather the target cells themselves.'

Except taking long pds off or taking mult-gram AS doses per week and now we also see why HUGE doses DOES work. As I've said before, your body can only make so much SHBG and by taking the AS in huge doses you can still beat it.

This also shows why Blockers or binders of SHBG like DHT, 5AD, or nettle root generally only work for a couple weeks.

but I think the most important aspect of the study aside from the fact that SHBG levels can stay up for YEARS is that ESTROGEN also causes SHBG at even MINIMAL doses while previously I had only thought that MALE HORMONES caused SHBG rises. We can also then see how alcohol and/or any phytoestrogen food like SOY could cause SHBG problems in women AND MEN! http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Ih246bYVcRsJ:www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-3/220.pdf+SHBG+source&hl=en&client=firefox-a

I guess somebody needs to find a real SHBG blocker which works at the source although that's a problem as it looks like SHBG can be made by local cells: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Ih246bYVcRsJ:www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-3/220.pdf+SHBG+source&hl=en&client=firefox-a

And SHBG is said to shuttle hormones in and out of cells so blocking could cause additional problems and the prostate study shows that SHBG is generated in other areas than the liver which is apparently new information, too.

You also need to know that low SHBG in the case of women is a cause of hirsuitism, too so you might be able to block it, but then you'd have bigfoot body hair by the end of the cycle as well as inducing acne vulgaris.

We also know that an increase in insulin AFTER a workout causes clearance of testosterone, but we can also see that insulin decreases SHBG as well which is why PEOPLE TAKE IT even though they don't know why they take it or why it works! Insulin LOWERS SHBG and when BB'rs take it that then gives them more FREE AS circulation!

'Research has discovered that sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), a relatively unknown blood protein, is a reasonably good indicator of insulin resistance. Low levels of SHBG are consistently linked to high levels of insulin in the body. Sustained high levels of insulin are, in turn, associated with the development of the chronic diseases such as high blood pressure, diabetes and coronary heart disease.'

We can also see that progesterones aka tren and 4OHN and deca LOWER SHBG which is the reason you MIX AS during a cycle! After two weeks or so you START taking a NOR/progesterone and THAT drops your SHBG which makes your cycle better and NOT simply because you are taking more AS!

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C655233.html

[Demonwolf]

Wow, nice post.

[Kronis]

very nice post.

are you a big fan or proviron for cutting down SHBG?

[RJ*]

im a fan of proviron due to the extreme hardness it delivers
pun intended
i honestly havent looked into it for shbg ,

and yes, awesome post, (credit to animal)

[RJ*]

in the grand scheme, i don't think proviron will provide the benefit of decreased SHBG to the extent the avg as user will notice (but who knows now adays with placebo controlling 30 % of the gains imo , )

the MOST underrated drug by far
IMHO
and masteron, same shit though