Female diet

[daande]

How does this look for a girl that is 5'9" and weights 185 and wants to lose 20 pounds.

http://i.imgur.com/ADjTn.jpg

[AlladdinSane]

What is she currently eating?
Is she a bag o' milk?
Does she lift?
Will she lift?
What do the asterisk's mean?

[countrychic]

she needs more good fats

[daande]

What is she currently eating?
Is she a bag o' milk?
Does she lift?
Will she lift?
What do the asterisk's mean?

-Dont know current diet.
-She has a big frame. I would not say she is fat or anything.
-She isnt exercising steady right now. About a year ago she was 165 and wants to get back to that.
-I am planning on telling her to hit the gym 5 times a week to do weights followed by 30 minutes of cardio such as walking on an incline. (Total time exercising would be about 1 hour and 30 minutes 5 days a week.)
-Asterisk's mean a substitution like sweet potatoes for brown rice for example.

[daande]

she needs more good fats

The green salad's I should have specified would be made with 1 tbsp olive oil and 1 tbsp balsamic vinegar. Should I incorporate more healthy fat than that?

[tiramisu]

How commited is she to a diet? What are her objectives? How long is she willing to diet for and what does she want to do after the diet? What is she doing for weights/cardio?

[daande]

How commited is she to a diet? What are her objectives? How long is she willing to diet for and what does she want to do after the diet? What is she doing for weights/cardio?

She is committed I think her weight gain had alot to do with her dad passing away. Her goal is to his 160-165 and maintain that weight. After she hits that weight she will continue to hit the gym.

[Talo]

The green salad's I should have specified would be made with 1 tbsp olive oil and 1 tbsp balsamic vinegar. Should I incorporate more healthy fat than that?

Yes you should.

I would also say that her over all cals are too low.

Just by a glance I would say at 185lbs it should be around 1850 - 2220 . All depending on her activity level.

[daande]

Yes you should.

I would also say that her over all cals are too low.

Just by a glance I would say at 185lbs it should be around 1850 - 2220 . All depending on her activity level.

Thanks, I will up it.

[Dryvrgrl]

stick a yogurt in there for the gal... chicks need calcium

[Talo]

I am planning on telling her to hit the gym 5 times a week to do weights followed by 30 minutes of cardio such as walking on an incline. (Total time exercising would be about 1 hour and 30 minutes 5 days a week.)


For the most part less is more . If she is going to be on a calorie restricked diet then the most important part would be recovery ( sleep and food ) . I would say weights 3 times a week ( maybe 4 ) and cardio 3-4 times a week .

[daande]

stick a yogurt in there for the gal... chicks need calcium

What kind of yogurt? Like an activia or something?

[natenator]

I personally feel that is too many carbs for *most* women looking to drop weight but to each their own.

[Dryvrgrl]

anything with a low calorie count for yogurt... under 100 calories...

[natenator]

yogurt/dairy really isn't optimal for dieting purposes but if she's trying to do something which she can maintain and make it not seem like that much of a diet then I guess dairy is ok.

[tiramisu]

Don't focus on optimal or perfect. This is a 185 pound female non exerciser. She is NOT a bodybuilder, is NOT committed to a bodybuilders diet, is NOT committed to a bodybuilders workout routine.

IF you put her on any one of these regimes she will almost certainly quit.

Step 1) clean up her existing diet. throw out the bad and bring in a few good things where possible. salads, broccolli, spinach. Get her to a reasonable carb, protein, fat balance with food that she likes.

Have her keep a FOOD LOG every day on fitday.

Step 2) introduce a non stressful level of weight lifting and cardio - 20 minutes a day on the treadmill and 30 minutes, three times a week with weights.

Keep this up for 8 weeks and let her adjust - she WILL see results.

AFTER 8 weeks of increase the cardio a bit and start to get her doing the basic lifts - squat, dead, bench, chins, military press, power clean

Review the FOOD LOG.
I wouldn't be surprised if her diet can be house cleaned further for another 8 weeks of improvement without any radical changes or significant stress to her.

At the 16 week mark it's back to the FOOD LOG and maybe start a "DIET" but again to be successful the diet is likely a calorie deficit version of the food she likes with some tweaking to keep her protein and fat levels adequate.

At this point it's likely time to get her on a lifting program. My favourite remains starting strength but women seem to have a real mental thing about lifting properly. DryverGrl, Coco or one our other ladies can probably recommend a program she is likely to stick with. My wife saw excellent results from the basic lifts and quit very quickly. :(

As far as cardio goes, while long slow cardio is the "BEST" for us low carb folk it is ****ING BORING. 20-30 minute intervals on the dreadmill are far less boring and much easier to commit to for 8-16 week durations.

This maps out about 32 weeks and would probably get her past any goal she currently has and would leave her fit enough to have new goals. I would also leave her with maintainable eating habits and basic fitness skills.

These are just my thoughts on dealing with overweight non-athletes.

[L3]

Don't focus on optimal or perfect. This is a 185 pound female non exerciser. She is NOT a bodybuilder, is NOT committed to a bodybuilders diet, is NOT committed to a bodybuilders workout routine.


qft. any female that has ever asked me for diet advice ususally looked at the template i provided and said "omg no chips and cookies and kd?!?" and consequently gave up.

another example, last year my coworker and good friend decided to lose weight (at 5"6 ~200lbs), so i put her on the palumbo diet, she didnt have a car and couldnt do groceries, so i even did all her food shopping for her. i didnt include cardio either. she opted to skip her first two refeeds, i didnt know any better at the time so i agreed to it. 4 weeks in she had lost 10lbs, after her refeed, she was 6lbs heavier, so she freaked and decided to stop. i was so ****ing angry im not even gonna repeat the things i said to her.

unless the girl is 120% dedicated, i wouldnt bother, just wasting your time...

[tiramisu]

Do you want them to succeed or do you want them to fail? I don't understand the ego gratification in making people fail. They already believe that they are going to fail. It's a self fulfilling spiral. What you need to do is help them find a way of getting from where they are to where they want to be. That is much a mental journey as a nutrition/training one.

[L3]

I don't understand the ego gratification in making people fail. They already believe that they are going to fail.

i dont understand, how did i set her up for faliure? i toned down a diet and provided the food, all she had to do was eat it and chill out.

saying people arleady believe they are going to fail is quite the loaded statement sir...

[daande]

She does even look fat. Like when I asked her her weight I was expecting to hear like 140-150. I forgot the fact that she is 5'9 and not like 5'4-5'6. I did not want to include yogurt as nate said above. I might include a banana in there with one of the shakes. I was planning on getting her on this and monitoring her weight until weight loss started slowing down. Once it did I was going to adjust by removing something or lowering carbs.

[countrychic]

She does even look fat. Like when I asked her her weight I was expecting to hear like 140-150. I forgot the fact that she is 5'9 and not like 5'4-5'6. I did not want to include yogurt as nate said above. I might include a banana in there with one of the shakes. I was planning on getting her on this and monitoring her weight until weight loss started slowing down. Once it did I was going to adjust by removing something or lowering carbs.


add a tablespoon of olive oil or 1/4 cup almonds with the shakes

[Dryvrgrl]

T's advice is best... lifestyle change rather than "antoher diet"

Leigh has had minimal success with prescribing "diets" to women who want to lose weight... they always cheat, then feel bad... and kick the diet for thier old habits... She has had HUGE success with introducing a healthier lifestyle to women who want to make changes in themselves...

[daande]

T's advice is best... lifestyle change rather than "antoher diet"

Leigh has had minimal success with prescribing "diets" to women who want to lose weight... they always cheat, then feel bad... and kick the diet for thier old habits... She has had HUGE success with introducing a healthier lifestyle to women who want to make changes in themselves...

I agree with this. I think the best bet would be to do the "meal plan" and then explain the lifestyle change for when she hits her goal.

[PdH]

I agree with the lifestyle change as well, though I would suggest a gradual introduction of changes. Meal plans aren't going to work. It's too much dramatic change all at once. In my mind it's a recipe for failure when it comes to those who are attempting weight loss for the first, second, or third time. I think we all know that in order to be successful one must remain consistent which essentially requires the development of new habits. That takes time and the gradual introduction of new activities, and most importantly, new ways of thinking. Lifestyle first, eating habits will follow. :)

[L3]

i look at it the other way. if someone is really ready to make a lifestyle change they should prove it with their actions, not just say "yeah im ready to eat a reasonably healthy diet and engage in regular physical activity". imo, meal plans are the building blocks of any physical body change program, if someone cant handle that, how are they gonna find the inner desire to go for a 20 min walk and get some cardio.

maybe i'm takign a hobbs approach to this, after my personal experience with bulemic girlfriends and other females in my life who drink pepsi all day and then have a bowl of KD for dinner.... these women think god hates them and they are destined to be overweight, becasue they have their 1 friend who eats "whatever" they want and doesnt get fat (what they probably dont realise is those girls throw that shit up 10 mins after)...

the only female i know personally who was able to keep up with a diet and excercise program is my mom, handled keto quite well and does spin class and yoga every day, looks great at 50.

Daande, i say you sit down with this girl and really have a deep talk with her, find out what she really wants, and the reason WHY she wants to do it, before you waste your time and then get frustrated

[tiramisu]

i look at it the other way. if someone is really ready to make a lifestyle change they should prove it with their actions, not just say "yeah im ready to eat a reasonably healthy diet and engage in regular physical activity". imo, meal plans are the building blocks of any physical body change program, if someone cant handle that, how are they gonna find the inner desire to go for a 20 min walk and get some cardio.

maybe i'm takign a hobbs approach to this, after my personal experience with bulemic girlfriends and other females in my life who drink pepsi all day and then have a bowl of KD for dinner.... these women think god hates them and they are destined to be overweight, becasue they have their 1 friend who eats "whatever" they want and doesnt get fat (what they probably dont realise is those girls throw that shit up 10 mins after)...

the only female i know personally who was able to keep up with a diet and excercise program is my mom, handled keto quite well and does spin class and yoga every day, looks great at 50.

Daande, i say you sit down with this girl and really have a deep talk with her, find out what she really wants, and the reason WHY she wants to do it, before you waste your time and then get frustrated

What I find interesting is that you admit this doesn't work yet at the same time prescribe it. Do you blame the trainees when this fails?

[L3]

ok, please be a little more specific, and use quotes from my post cause clearly im not getting it...specifically... admit to what? prescribe what? what is it exactly that fails?

[daande]

She was skinny 9 months ago then her dad passed away. You guys are all talking like shes some fat ass. I am assuming her weight gain was due to this. Anyways, she came to me asking me to outline her a meal plan and she said she really is ready for to do this etc. So I am just looking to help a friend out as I know what it feels like to be out of shape.

EDIT: L3, I am not doing the work she is. All I am doing it giving her an outline of what she should be eating and doing in order to attain her goals. These goals are not mine. I don't have a stake at all in if she hits 165 of stays at 185.

[PdH]

So she's used eating as a coping mechanism, which is pretty common. If she's dealt with her grief there's no reason why she won't be successful. The new info provides a different perspective.

[tiramisu]

ok, please be a little more specific, and use quotes from my post cause clearly im not getting it...specifically... admit to what? prescribe what? what is it exactly that fails?

I will try one more time before I give up but you seem to have a blind spot.

1. You prescribe "Diet Plans" as the correct approach for weight loss
2. You then say that they never work except for your mother
3. You say the reason they don't work is because the individual is to blame.

IF Diet Plans work for no one but your mother and you insist on prescribing a Diet Plan THEN everyone except your mother is going to fail.

I personally agree with this statement (other than I don't know your mother). I believe that Diet Plans are only going to be effective for people who already have significant skill and a history of success in diet and fitness management.

This is why I WOULD NOT prescribe a diet plan initiallly and would focus on diet improvement, food logging and introduction to basic exercise in small steps that can be built on UNTIL the individual had developed the confidence and skill to be successful with a Diet Plan.

[Dryvrgrl]

Daandee... if she's just holding a bit of extra and wants to drop weight fast... give her the diet you outlined... explain to her that after she reaches her goal weight, she will have to stick with better eating habits that what she has had in the past 9 months in order to maintain the reached weight... we all diet down... it won't harm her... but the percentage of women who diet down and KEEP THE WEIGHT OFF is minimal... using food as a coping mechignism once usually means they will do it again, and other sad or disturbing things will happen in this young ladies life...

teaching her a bit about carbs/protein/fats... and giving her a "lifestyle" shakeup, might prove better in the long run.

ALL IN ALL... it's very admirable for you to help a friend out! and I applaud you for trying! it must have been difficult for her to ask for help... it's great that she trusts you and that you are supportive in this change she wants to make!!

GOOD JOB!

[L3]

1. You prescribe "Diet Plans" as the correct approach for weight loss

actually i said they are a building block, considering that many people dont understand the correlation between foods what they put in their bodies and the phsyical manifestation of those items



2. You then say that they never work except for your mother

i said in one case it didn't work, that being my friend. i never said i attempted to prescribe such a "diet plan" to anyone else, i was just commenting on the general attitudes i have encountered with females and dieting




3. You say the reason they don't work is because the individual is to blame.


yes, the individual is 100% to blame. aside from socioeconomic limiting factors, lack of willpower and determination is completley the responsability of the individual.




I personally agree with this statement (other than I don't know your mother). I believe that Diet Plans are only going to be effective for people who already have significant skill and a history of success in diet and fitness management.

my mom has never played a competitive sport, as far as i know...she wanted to maintain her figure as she progressed through life and through determination and self control has achieved it.




This is why I WOULD NOT prescribe a diet plan initiallly ....focus on diet improvement, food logging

im sorry, i dont see the difference between a diet plan and diet improvement. if you tell them what they can and cant eat, is that NOT a diet plan?

[tiramisu]

I give up.

[L3]

aw come on, this is the most interesting discussion ive had in months on here! :(

[daande]

So she's used eating as a coping mechanism, which is pretty common. If she's dealt with her grief there's no reason why she won't be successful. The new info provides a different perspective.

She used to workout frequently. I think it was a combination of eating/drinking/not working out.

[daande]

L3, I don't think you are to blame 100%. You are prescribing "the best" formula to lose weight fast. However, every girl I know enjoy's there carbs. Thats why with her I stayed away from saying no carbs and was more concerned with portions (calories).

[ironwill]

Yes you should.

I would also say that her over all cals are too low.

Just by a glance I would say at 185lbs it should be around 1850 - 2220 . All depending on her activity level.

IMO, if she is 185, and wants to be 160 or whatever, she should be eating like a 160 lber, IMO, that would be to high of calories to lose fat 1850-2200......I was at 2800 for contest diet at 250 lbs......
Some good advice here, but as stated, she has to want to make the changes.....Good luck, hope she reaches her goal...

[tiramisu]

All right then...

Can we agree

1. Weak people are not strong?
2. People with poor fitness find exercise tiring?
3. People with bad eating habits don't eat well?

If you are weak, have no stamina, and eat like shit you almost have the motivation and pesonality strength of a 3 toed sloth.

Now if I give you a heavy weight and tell you to lift it and you fail. Is it your fault?
In some esoteric fashion I suppose so but in a pragmatic sense the weight is simply too damn heavy and you are too damn weak.

If I put you on the treadmill 45 minutes a day 7 days a week and you quit because your knees hurts, your feet hurt and you are bored out of your mind. Is it your fault? Again I can blame you but I knew you would quit when we started. You are a weak person with limited will power.

If I give put you on a palumbo template when you have eaten nothing but kd and wonder bread your entire life and you give up. Is it your fault. Again in an esoteric sense certainly. But in a pragmatic sense I already knew you were going to fail as the change was so dramatic and stressful that there was no way you could handle it anyway. Remember you are weak, unfit and malnourished.


NOW if instead I say. Let's look at what you eat today and remove 3 or 4 of the things that are making it difficult for you to be successful with your goals. Potato chips, chocolate bars, let's just focus on taking out the crap for now. Do you think you can do that for the next 8 weeks? Yes, I know it will be hard but it's just 8 weeks.

Now what I want you to do for the next 8 weeks is log onto fitday and enter what everything you eat every day.

... and by the way I'd like you to walk on the treadmill 3x a week for 20 minutes and here's a couple of dumbbell exercises or machine exercises with light weight I'd like you to do 3x a week for 30 minutes.


...... 8 weeks later.
How's it going? Oh you are feeling a little more energetic and you've lost 5 pounds oh that's great. Would you like to take it a little further?

Let's look at your food log together what do you see that could be improved...
oh yes, desserts, maybe we could make some better choices. Wow, bagels are deep fried? I didn't know that let's get that out of there.

Instead of just walking on the treadmill for 20 minutes I'd like you to try the interval program it's more fun and makes the time go by better and let's try a few barbell exercises they are more effective at making you stronger and leaner.

... 8 weeks later
How's it going? Oh you're down another 6 pounds and you are starting to feel good?
Well that's great. Would you like to go further? Fantastic, maybe we should talk a bit about the role of protein, fats and carbohydrates.

Let's look at your log again.... You probably need to eat a little more protein and if you want to keep losing weight we might need to look at reducing the amount of calories you eat weekly. What do you think?

You've been lifting weights now for 4 months and you've been doing really well would you like to start a program you can use to continue to develop your physique?

Yes you should keep doing your cardio....

Oh you want to take control of the process and tell me what your goals are... (success).... That's great I would be happy to help you get there.

This kind of back and forth developing a person to be strong enough to be self sufficient when starting with a fat, undermuscled, malnourished, uneducated person could easily take 30 weeks to an independent goal oriented trainee.

I think it is a terrible shame that these skills are not taught in grade school.

[ironwill]

These skills are taught in grade 1, its called the golden rule...Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you...

Good post tiramisu, the only thing you need for your way of coaching is patience and common sense....IMO........
We all want to be involved and understand as we go, its easy to dictate a program, but very hard to teach as you go, so they remember forever.......
I use this approach when helping folks, and even then it fails at times, but it has a higher success rate, than throwing a piece of paper at them and overwhelming the shit out of them from day 1...

[L3]

Can we agree

1. Weak people are not strong?
2. People with poor fitness find exercise tiring?
3. People with bad eating habits don't eat well?

those are factual statements, can't argue with that.




Now if I give you a heavy weight and tell you to lift it and you fail. Is it your fault?
In some esoteric fashion I suppose so but in a pragmatic sense the weight is simply too damn heavy and you are too damn weak.

that just plain silly. this point proves nothing. ofcourse weak people cant lift heavy weights, if your trainer makes you lift a weight that puts you in physical danger, you should look somewhere else for help




If I put you on the treadmill 45 minutes a day 7 days a week and you quit because your knees hurts, your feet hurt and you are bored out of your mind. Is it your fault? Again I can blame you but I knew you would quit when we started. You are a weak person with limited will power.

A loaded statement if i've ever seen one. No, we didnt know you would quit when you started. Considering the "client" is the one who is ASKING for help, there must be an assumption that they will do everything in their power to follow the program. It is the trainer who will decide wether 7 days @ 45 mins a day is appropriate. You are taking the extreme here, and making the argument easy for yourself.




If I give put you on a palumbo template when you have eaten nothing but kd and wonder bread your entire life and you give up. Is it your fault. Again in an esoteric sense certainly. But in a pragmatic sense I already knew you were going to fail as the change was so dramatic and stressful that there was no way you could handle it anyway. Remember you are weak, unfit and malnourished.

You make so many assumptions... in the example i provided, my "client" was successfull in completing her frist month, then gave up after the refeed. I dont see a connection between being weak and unfit, especially malnourished, makes it difficult to eat 6 meals a day.




Now what I want you to do for the next 8 weeks is log onto fitday and enter what everything you eat every day.

People are busy. I wont lie, ive tried the fit day thing. Its a ****ing pain in the ass. Finding all the foods, then measuring them. According to you, the client is a FAT ****ING SLOB WHO CANT DO SHIT FOR THEMSELVES, you really think they are gonna take the time to find 2 packets of sugar and 1 milk creamer for the 2-5 coffees they have a day?? give me a ****ing break.



...... 8 weeks later.
How's it going? Oh you are feeling a little more energetic and you've lost 5 pounds oh that's great. Would you like to take it a little further?

5 pounds, in 8 weeks. dude, get real. todays society, if people dont see changes within 2 weeks, they're gone. you think "a weak person with limited willpower" will be able to resist chocolate bars and shit for 8 weeks?? hahaha



... 8 weeks later
How's it going? Oh you're down another 6 pounds and you are starting to feel good?
Well that's great. Would you like to go further? Fantastic, maybe we should talk a bit about the role of protein, fats and carbohydrates.

16 weeks for a total of 11 pounds....thats what i call progress pfff.




This kind of back and forth developing a person to be strong enough to be self sufficient when starting with a fat, undermuscled, malnourished, uneducated person could easily take 30 weeks to an independent goal oriented trainee.

I can guarantee people who would normally take that long to become a inependent goal oriented trainee, will quit way way way way before any behavioural change is accomplished, especially if it takes 8 weeks to lose 5 lbs. Lets remember, holidays, family outings, drinking, living life...dieting gets in the way of that.... do you know of anyone personally who has achieved this?

[tiramisu]

As I said earlier, I give up. I can't explain colour to the blind.

Any coach can be successful training elite athletes. This does not make them a good coach.

[natenator]

As I said earlier, I give up. I can't explain colour to the blind.

Any coach can be successful training elite athletes. This does not make them a good coach.
whose talking about elite athletes here?

You have some issues and go to the extreme in your musings.

[tiramisu]

It just frosts my apple when I see young studs reinforcing failure in new trainees. The ego gratification that is gained from other peoples failure pisses me off.

[natenator]

It just frosts my apple when I see young studs reinforcing failure in new trainees. The ego gratification that is gained from other peoples failure pisses me off.
Well I guess you are reading impaired because I see nothing in L3's comments which suggests wants someone to fail.

[tiramisu]

I'm neither reading impaired nor stupid but thanks for playing.

[daande]

It just frosts my apple when I see young studs reinforcing failure in new trainees. The ego gratification that is gained from other peoples failure pisses me off.

How is me providing her with a meal plan/workout routine reinforcing failure?

[tiramisu]

That would depend on whether you are handing her the palumbo template and a 5 day a week workout plan.

[L3]

how about this T,

6 meals a day
only complex carbs
no carbs after 6pm

..would you consider this "reasonable"?

[daande]

That would depend on whether you are handing her the palumbo template and a 5 day a week workout plan.

Did you read my original post? Or did you just hijack this thread halfway through?

[natenator]

Did you read my original post? Or did you just hijack this thread halfway through?
hence my comment about him being reading impaired :D

[devo09]

I didn't follow through all the argueing :) but IMO (for general population) she is better off having a Macronutrient goal (Proteins/carbs/fats) and she should monitor her intake to hit whatever numbers she needs, this way she can still eat "normal" food (in moderation) if it fits into her numbers, while basing her diet around lean proteins/unsat fats/complex carbs

[SuperQT]

What kind of yogurt? Like an activia or something?

Greek yogurt plain I love it on fish the rest is way over processed to much artifical sweetners or sugar imo.

[L3]

Hey T, so here's a little update on how "I love to set ppl up to fail".
My extremley overwight friend came bck from cancun, she didn't get any ass, clearly, and when she
arrived back, found out the "love" of her life is seeing someone. She has all the motivation in the world
to change her lifestyle. She asked me about t3, I told her well talk again after the first 30 lbs.
I told her to go to the grocery store, buy the following: veggies, cheese, chicken breast, low carb pita bread.
6 meals a day, last two no carbs.
She took yesterday off work, went shopping. Today, she told me she had 1 egg and half a banana for bfast,
and brought snow peas and an orange for luch cause she didn't have time to cook chicken last night..
I am so ****ing mad right now, **** fat ppl, **** thir stupid shit, they will never change their habits.
How the **** did they get to be like that in the first place..lazyness and ****ing ignorance.
So take your theorys of 5lbs weight loss over 8 weeks and blow them up your ass.
Stupid ****ing ignorant people.
/rant

[natenator]

lol

[steve_d]

IMO, if she is 185, and wants to be 160 or whatever, she should be eating like a 160 lber, IMO, QUOTE]

This is the best advice by far. It's what I always tell people looking to lose weight. If she eats as though she is 160, she'll gradually balance out to that weight. It will take longer than most people want though. Most people in this situation eat as though they weigh 110 pounds, and get to 160 quickly, and then don't know what to do after, which welcomes them to the world of yo-yo dieting.


[QUOTE=L3;354596]5lbs weight loss over 8 weeks

As above, this is probably the "ideal" way to lose weight long term - Slow and steady. But rarely does anyone think long term.

[tiramisu]

.... I'm doing my very best not to look in this thread. ;)

[Big D]

Hey T, so here's a little update on how "I love to set ppl up to fail".
My extremley overwight friend came bck from cancun, she didn't get any ass, clearly, and when she
arrived back, found out the "love" of her life is seeing someone. She has all the motivation in the world
to change her lifestyle. She asked me about t3, I told her well talk again after the first 30 lbs.
I told her to go to the grocery store, buy the following: veggies, cheese, chicken breast, low carb pita bread.
6 meals a day, last two no carbs.
She took yesterday off work, went shopping. Today, she told me she had 1 egg and half a banana for bfast,
and brought snow peas and an orange for luch cause she didn't have time to cook chicken last night..
I am so ****ing mad right now, **** fat ppl, **** thir stupid shit, they will never change their habits.
How the **** did they get to be like that in the first place..lazyness and ****ing ignorance.
So take your theorys of 5lbs weight loss over 8 weeks and blow them up your ass.
Stupid ****ing ignorant people.
/rant

word for word how i feel about my fat friends I try to help out, i'm sick and tried of trying to help out these fat lazy ****s. they ****ing eat good for one day and give up. useless !!

[natenator]

word for word how i feel about my fat friends I try to help out, i'm sick and tried of trying to help out these fat lazy ****s. they ****ing eat good for one day and give up. useless !!
sorry :(