Kevin Trudeau

[gicantor]

You've all seen the infomercials on TV. Think this guy is legit or just a really good businessman praying on people.

http://tencure.com/images/more_natural_cures_book_kevin_trudeau_98o9.jpg

[Paully25]

Option B ;)

[rickyboy36]

I think he was a used cars salesman before doing those info comercials...

[Bowlcut]

What did you learn in social studies? Never trust a man with the last name Trudeau.

[CanadianIron]

Look him up on wiki....

I read into him a bit, he's been stopped many times for selling miracle cures, he even has criminal charges.

Apparently his "cure" for obesity requires extreme dieting and daily injections. His cure for herpes is DMSO gel... the books dont give details on any of the cures and they all redirect you to sign up on some website...

I read through his first book once and couldnt believe what he concidered cures... basically because some naturalist vegan who gives up all their calories and exercises 6 hours a day..

If there is a snake oil remedy for something, its his business to sell it.

[CanadianIron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau


After serving prison time for criminal activity in the early 1990s, Trudeau partnered with his former colleague to join Nutrition for Life, a multi-level marketing firm, where they were very successful. He and his partner were sued by the Illinois Attorney General for running a pyramid scheme. Trudeau and his company entered into a settlement with Illinois and seven other states for U$185,000.[3][4][5][6]

Trudeau then went into the business of producing and appearing in infomercials that were broadcast frequently on late night TV in North America and that promoted a range of products, including health aids, dietary supplements (such as coral calcium), real estate investment strategies, memory-improvement courses, baldness remedies, addiction breaking strategies, and reading improvement programs, among others. The claims made in the infomercials resulted in regulatory actions by the FTC, based on his alleged misrepresentations and unsubstantiated claims. In 1998, he was fined, and then in 2004 Trudeau agreed to settle an FTC contempt-of-court action by agreeing to a settlement that banned him from using infomercials to promote products, except for those publications protected by the First Amendment. He also agreed to pay a $2 million settlement.[7][8]

[gicantor]

jesus the dmso gel is a industrial solvent lol. and he expects people to rub that on their junk.....

[Praetorian]

DMSO is used quite commonly for a multitude of ailments in humans and animals...it is also present in many pharmaceutical medications as a transport...ie Pennsaid. It is not harmful when used topically in fact it does work very well.
You also have to understand the fight between Trudeau and the FDA....the FDA is lobbied by big business mainly the Pharmaceutical industry who have billions invested in drugs that are supposed to cure disease...however most dotn and the side effects are very dangerous. The FDA quite specifically states that only DRUGS cure disease...however anyone with half a brain woudl tell you otherwise...any idea what cures scurvy....hmmm vitamin C....but if you advertise that you are breaking the law and can be charged and most likely convicted. Many of the remedies Trudeau reveals do work...you need to take the info with a grain of salt yes but there is some good info there.
P

[waderow]

use your brain and listen to what he has to say with an open mind...

but... that being said, I want to exterminate every trudeau that exists, and dig up every dead one and shoot them in the head just to make sure the blood line is ended.


(joking of course rcmp... i would NEVER want to harm anyone)

[#8]

^^ LOL. **** dude, if you ever leave this board my life will fall apart.

I have a man-crush on you I think. Ever come to london?

[CanadianIron]

DMSO is used quite commonly for a multitude of ailments in humans and animals...it is also present in many pharmaceutical medications as a transport...ie Pennsaid. It is not harmful when used topically in fact it does work very well.
You also have to understand the fight between Trudeau and the FDA....the FDA is lobbied by big business mainly the Pharmaceutical industry who have billions invested in drugs that are supposed to cure disease...however most dotn and the side effects are very dangerous. The FDA quite specifically states that only DRUGS cure disease...however anyone with half a brain woudl tell you otherwise...any idea what cures scurvy....hmmm vitamin C....but if you advertise that you are breaking the law and can be charged and most likely convicted. Many of the remedies Trudeau reveals do work...you need to take the info with a grain of salt yes but there is some good info there.
P

His informercial sounded good to me too... but at the end of the day, these remedies dont ACTUALLY work and cure cancer, if they did, everyone who has bought the book, taken the cure and survived terminal cancer would tell 100 people and we wouldnt have all these "walks to cure cancer" etc... maybe some things like heartburn have cures.. but curing aids and cancer, that is a tall tail IMO... if I was dying from aids and I found out his cure was bullshit I'd go inject him with my blood...

Shit, if his cures are for real, he should give himself aids and show us how to cure it.

[Gilmour]

use your brain and listen to what he has to say with an open mind...

but... that being said, I want to exterminate every trudeau that exists, and dig up every dead one and shoot them in the head just to make sure the blood line is ended.


(joking of course rcmp... i would NEVER want to harm anyone)

Gary Trudeau too?

[Bowlcut]

Gary Trudeau too?

Doonesbury sucks big time so he should be included.

[Praetorian]

His informercial sounded good to me too... but at the end of the day, these remedies dont ACTUALLY work and cure cancer, if they did, everyone who has bought the book, taken the cure and survived terminal cancer would tell 100 people and we wouldnt have all these "walks to cure cancer" etc... maybe some things like heartburn have cures.. but curing aids and cancer, that is a tall tail IMO... if I was dying from aids and I found out his cure was bullshit I'd go inject him with my blood...

Shit, if his cures are for real, he should give himself aids and show us how to cure it.

No they do not cure cancer but some actually do work and they are not necessarily his cures...just things people have used for years. Obviously curing AIDS or cancer is not going to happen...but alternative medicine has been around for a long time and is many times misinterpreted or ignored until its a last resort because western medicine has failed. Its obviously a marketing ploy but there is some useful information if you sort through it.
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[waderow]

natural foods and remedies... naturopathy will be more adept in preventing cancer then curing it

and yes... all Trudeaus.

[nisser]

DMSO is used quite commonly for a multitude of ailments in humans and animals...it is also present in many pharmaceutical medications as a transport...ie Pennsaid. It is not harmful when used topically in fact it does work very well.
You also have to understand the fight between Trudeau and the FDA....the FDA is lobbied by big business mainly the Pharmaceutical industry who have billions invested in drugs that are supposed to cure disease...however most dotn and the side effects are very dangerous. The FDA quite specifically states that only DRUGS cure disease...however anyone with half a brain woudl tell you otherwise...any idea what cures scurvy....hmmm vitamin C....but if you advertise that you are breaking the law and can be charged and most likely convicted. Many of the remedies Trudeau reveals do work...you need to take the info with a grain of salt yes but there is some good info there.
P

There's a difference here. Scurvy is a deficiency of vitamin C...so obviously taking vit c will cure it.

Herpes is however not a deficiency of abrasive chemicals on your genitalia....

[nisser]

His informercial sounded good to me too... but at the end of the day, these remedies dont ACTUALLY work and cure cancer, if they did, everyone who has bought the book, taken the cure and survived terminal cancer would tell 100 people and we wouldnt have all these "walks to cure cancer" etc... maybe some things like heartburn have cures.. but curing aids and cancer, that is a tall tail IMO... if I was dying from aids and I found out his cure was bullshit I'd go inject him with my blood...

Shit, if his cures are for real, he should give himself aids and show us how to cure it.

And that's the one thing that people have to remember when they hear of 'wonder drugs and cures'.

If it's good, word will spread fast that it works.

One excellent example is proactiv acne solution thing. It ****ing works and every high school kid knows about it.

[Praetorian]

There's a difference here. Scurvy is a deficiency of vitamin C...so obviously taking vit c will cure it.

Herpes is however not a deficiency of abrasive chemicals on your genitalia....

Scurvy is a "disease" caused by a deficiency in vitamin c and yes taking vitamin c will cure it but you CANNOT say that legally...according to the FDA ONLY drugs cure disease. DMSO does effectively treat the herpes virus by robbing it of oxygen...lysine has also been shown to be as effective if not more than actual viral medication.
The point being dont throw the baby out with the bathwater...trudeau may be a hack...but there are many alternative remedies that do work...the trouble being most have been brainwashed by the Pharm industry and its political lobbyists. Alternative medicines main concern is not with "cures" per se...but with preventative maintenance. Western medicine does not do anything to prevent disease or illness...it is only treated once it occurs. The point being made not only from trudeau but many others today is that what you eat, drink, etc is linked to how healthy you will be.
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[waderow]

Scurvy is a "disease" caused by a deficiency in vitamin c and yes taking vitamin c will cure it but you CANNOT say that legally...according to the FDA ONLY drugs cure disease. DMSO does effectively treat the herpes virus by robbing it of oxygen...lysine has also been shown to be as effective if not more than actual viral medication.
The point being dont throw the baby out with the bathwater...trudeau may be a hack...but there are many alternative remedies that do work...the trouble being most have been brainwashed by the Pharm industry and its political lobbyists.
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this is the problem.

Lets say eating a head of cabbage a day cured cancer. Just for shits and giggles lets believe that for a moment.

A select few of naturopaths begin to save lives in this manner.

Word hits the net, and then quess what.... The govt will quash the rumours and in the states the FDA will sue everyone. Here in Canada, Health Can will likely take action too.

People who get cancer will ask their doctor about this miracle cure they heard about on youtube, and the doctor will laugh at them.

For every success, there will be 100 people claiming it is nonsense who have not studied or tried the miracle cure.

Universities will not get funding to study it and if they do it on their own payroll, they may face funding cuts and firm recommendations.



Anyone here remember DCA? http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/

the U of A has found a cure for cancer likely, and has had its share of road blocks along the way. They need to raise their own funds to study this... WHY THE **** IS THE GOVT NOT HELPING MORE????? They will blow billions on social assistance. They will blow billions on gun registry. They will blow hundreds of millions on foreign aid. They will blow billions on immigration. BUT WHY THE **** ARE THEY NOT FUNDING THIS RESEARCH????

Pharmaceutical companies

[rickyboy36]

this is the problem.

Lets say eating a head of cabbage a day cured cancer. Just for shits and giggles lets believe that for a moment.

A select few of naturopaths begin to save lives in this manner.

Word hits the net, and then quess what.... The govt will quash the rumours and in the states the FDA will sue everyone. Here in Canada, Health Can will likely take action too.

People who get cancer will ask their doctor about this miracle cure they heard about on youtube, and the doctor will laugh at them.

For every success, there will be 100 people claiming it is nonsense who have not studied or tried the miracle cure.

Universities will not get funding to study it and if they do it on their own payroll, they may face funding cuts and firm recommendations.



Anyone here remember DCA? http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/

the U of A has found a cure for cancer likely, and has had its share of road blocks along the way. They need to raise their own funds to study this... WHY THE **** IS THE GOVT NOT HELPING MORE????? They will blow billions on social assistance. They will blow billions on gun registry. They will blow hundreds of millions on foreign aid. They will blow billions on immigration. BUT WHY THE **** ARE THEY NOT FUNDING THIS RESEARCH????

Pharmaceutical companies

Honestly,if this is true what you are saying,then there has to be A GOOD REASON why they are not helping out with the funding.Why?Because if U of A really did find a cure,dont you think this would save millions..if not billions per year on health costs for this country.Its to their advantage to cure one of the most costly things are health care has to pay for.So logically there has to be reason why the govenrment doesnt jump in.Is it because they will make more income tax from the employees who work in the pharmaceutical companies..or selling medications???I doubt that outweighs what it costs to treat and maintain people with cancer..If it did,then that would be the answer why..but i doubt this is the case..

[waderow]

Honestly,if this is true what you are saying,then there has to be A GOOD REASON why they are not helping out with the funding.Why?Because if U of A really did find a cure,dont you think this would save millions..if not billions per year on health costs for this country.Its to their advantage to cure one of the most costly things are health care has to pay for.So logically there has to be reason why the govenrment doesnt jump in.Is it because they will make more income tax from the employees who work in the pharmaceutical companies..or selling medications???I doubt that outweighs what it costs to treat and maintain people with cancer..If it did,then that would be the answer why..but i doubt this is the case..

how much do you think the pharma lobby is worth?

there is no money to be made in curing cancer
the money is in treating cancer. tax spin offs, lobby contributions and donations, kick backs, power

[buildinthaskinnys]

Anyone here remember DCA? http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/Updates/


They just disappeared off the face of the earth? I think I remember hearing a little about this years ago, this should have been the biggest news in the world, but alas Paris Hilton, Adam Lambert, branjolena........................ People forget so fast.

[waderow]

They just disappeared off the face of the earth? I think I remember hearing a little about this years ago, this should have been the biggest news in the world, but alas Paris Hilton, Adam Lambert, branjolena........................ People forget so fast.

too bad you are a muslim lover.... we see eye to eye on most everything else

lol

[rickyboy36]

how much do you think the pharma lobby is worth?

there is no money to be made in curing cancer
the money is in treating cancer. tax spin offs, lobby contributions and donations, kick backs, power

To be honest with you Wade,i dont know.But to me the cost of treating cancer is so friggin high that i have trouble imagining it would be less than what the govenrment makes from income tax and such.But if yo are right about the tax spin offs and other shit mentioned in your post,then it would "patheticaly" make sense..I guess my treating instead of curing..one would live less longer as well and not take up too much off their pension..Anyways,I degress

You know,I can understand the business aspect of it.The government wants to make money in order to pay for other resources,which in turn will make our country better and richer.I know most people see this as highway robbery,and see it as politicians putting money in their pocket and what have you.Yes,some do that,granted,but the overall money made from these decisions goes back into the system.The government runs the country like "you" would run a business.It wants money and lots of it.It cuts corners and bargains all that they can.But what i have a problem with with this typical situation is that they are doing it at the expense of people lives.

Shame on them..

[CanadianIron]

No they do not cure cancer but some actually do work and they are not necessarily his cures...just things people have used for years. Obviously curing AIDS or cancer is not going to happen...but alternative medicine has been around for a long time and is many times misinterpreted or ignored until its a last resort because western medicine has failed. Its obviously a marketing ploy but there is some useful information if you sort through it.
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I trust that there are many natural remedies for "diseases" but at the same time if you have to live the rest of your life avoiding entire food groups, they arent really cures... a cure would suggest to me, that it fixes you... so if you have a problem related to eating wheat, if you're cured, you should be able to go back to eat refined flour..

Also, he pushes his product extremely hard with his claims of curing cancer, aids and herpes... then he uses examples like vitamin C/scurvey to rationalize his claims...

Its like saying I have a drug that will cure hunger... its called food!!! now buy my book because im so smart!

[CanadianIron]

To be honest with you Wade,i dont know.But to me the cost of treating cancer is so friggin high that i have trouble imagining it would be less than what the govenrment makes from income tax and such.But if yo are right about the tax spin offs and other shit mentioned in your post,then it would "patheticaly" make sense..I guess my treating instead of curing..one would live less longer as well and not take up too much off their pension..Anyways,I degress

You know,I can understand the business aspect of it.The government wants to make money in order to pay for other resources,which in turn will make our country better and richer.I know most people see this as highway robbery,and see it as politicians putting money in their pocket and what have you.Yes,some do that,granted,but the overall money made from these decisions goes back into the system.The government runs the country like "you" would run a business.It wants money and lots of it.It cuts corners and bargains all that they can.But what i have a problem with with this typical situation is that they are doing it at the expense of people lives.

Shame on them..



Shit Jack Layton has cancer... if "they" are keeping secrets about cures from us, you'd think top ranking politicians would know about it and use these "cures"....

[buildinthaskinnys]

too bad you are a muslim lover.... we see eye to eye on most everything else

lol

THE WOMEN MOSTLY!!, They clean their anus's and vajays 7 times a day, I like a clean woman you know! haha

[waderow]

THE WOMEN MOSTLY!!, They clean their anus's and vajays 7 times a day, I like a clean woman you know! haha

with their left hand

[waderow]

Shit Jack Layton has cancer... if "they" are keeping secrets about cures from us, you'd think top ranking politicians would know about it and use these "cures"....

like I said. Ask your doctor, and he will say chemo and radiation.
for every person who could have benefited from a non-pharmaceutical approach, there will be 10-fold claiming they are crazy

[Ritch]

THE WOMEN MOSTLY!!, They clean their anus's and vajays 7 times a day, I like a clean woman you know! haha

Wow! There`s an interesting fact. I always thought they`d have the nastiest pussies. Do you know if they shave?

[Praetorian]

how much do you think the pharma lobby is worth?

there is no money to be made in curing cancer
the money is in treating cancer. tax spin offs, lobby contributions and donations, kick backs, power

Billions more dollars in treating than curing...cures would bankrupt the pharm industry...it is not in their best interest to cure anyone.
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[waderow]

Wow! There`s an interesting fact. I always thought they`d have the nastiest pussies. Do you know if they shave?

trust me.... nastiness galore

[waderow]

Billions more dollars in treating than curing...cures would bankrupt the pharm industry...it is not in their best interest to cure anyone.
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how many cures do you suppose are locked up in some vault somewhere, kept under wraps?

I bet if I found the cure for AIDS, my technology would be purchased, I would have to sign that I would never talk about it, and then that would be it...under threat that if I didnt sell and sign, they would ****ing ruin me

[buildinthaskinnys]

trust me.... nastiness galore

ah hah the TRUTH comes out!! You went down on some muslim chick and got herpes on your lips and now you have a personal hatred against muslims?

[Gilmour]

THE WOMEN MOSTLY!!, They clean their anus's and vajays 7 times a day, I like a clean woman you know! haha


If I hung out with Muslim men all day I'd need AT LEAST 7 showers.:laugh

[nisser]

Scurvy is a "disease" caused by a deficiency in vitamin c and yes taking vitamin c will cure it but you CANNOT say that legally...according to the FDA ONLY drugs cure disease. DMSO does effectively treat the herpes virus by robbing it of oxygen...lysine has also been shown to be as effective if not more than actual viral medication.
The point being dont throw the baby out with the bathwater...trudeau may be a hack...but there are many alternative remedies that do work...the trouble being most have been brainwashed by the Pharm industry and its political lobbyists. Alternative medicines main concern is not with "cures" per se...but with preventative maintenance. Western medicine does not do anything to prevent disease or illness...it is only treated once it occurs. The point being made not only from trudeau but many others today is that what you eat, drink, etc is linked to how healthy you will be.
P

Where does the it say that you can't legally say that vitamin C can't cure scurvye?

Just because companies don't say on food packages that "it will cure malnutrition", doesn't make it illegal.

You're making a lot of generalizations here. Western medicine does not do anything to prevent disease or illness...it is only treated once it occurs.

really? When we all take SERMs or AIs are we treating disease? Or are we also preventing disease (gyno)?

Bottom line here is the guy that writes this garbage is scum.

[waderow]

Where does the it say that you can't legally say that vitamin C can't cure scurvye?

Just because companies don't say on food packages that "it will cure malnutrition", doesn't make it illegal.

You're making a lot of generalizations here. Western medicine does not do anything to prevent disease or illness...it is only treated once it occurs.

really? When we all take SERMs or AIs are we treating disease? Or are we also preventing disease (gyno)?

Bottom line here is the guy that writes this garbage is scum.

first of all, you know nothing about this matter.

if i recall correctly, you are in the medical field, so you are like all the other brainwashed muppets. You are biased to the point of not being able to even consider the opposing side of a debate.... like most others in the health care field.... you will next use the argument "well pharmaceuticals come from plants" whaa whaaa whaaaaaaa

gyno is not a disease.

the fda is american and have made it illegal to say vitamin c will cure a disease

[CanadianIron]

He sells his product based on the claim that you can CURE cancer and aids... find me ONE person who has cured themselves of aids and I'd be a believer. He doesnt substantiate any of his claims with real life testimonials and he preys on the sick/desperate...

He uses the acceptance that people have towards natural remedies and conspiracy to sell expensive shit. If the remedies existed, you'd be able to look them up online and get clear cut answers... someone show me a link to the page that shows you how to cure aids.

Big pharm companies might be able to censor google searches, but they cant sensor forums. IM SURE there are online remedial forums that would cover this shit if its true.

[CanadianIron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Cures_%22They%22_Don't_Want_You_to_Know_Ab out

http://www.natural-remedies-hiv-aids.com/frameset.htm

They say right on this site you CANNOT cure aids, but put the infection into remission. Kevin is VERY clear on his informercial that you can CURE and completely REMOVE aids...


Foods to be avoided:

sugar, white bread, baking soda, vinegar, fish, eggs, chicken, milk, cheese, meat, beer, tea, coffee, coke, soft drinks, tobacco, jam, canned foods, fried foods, salt, pepper, lard, margarine, pig meat, sausages, alcohol, biscuits, cake, crisps, ice cream.


Sure sounds like a "cure" to me...

[waderow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Cures_%22They%22_Don't_Want_You_to_Know_Ab out

http://www.natural-remedies-hiv-aids.com/frameset.htm

They say right on this site you CANNOT cure aids, but put the infection into remission. Kevin is VERY clear on his informercial that you can CURE and completely REMOVE aids...



Sure sounds like a "cure" to me...

i would want to read the book before i believed that

[tiramisu]

There is an entire movement in the naturopathy area "orthomolecular medicine" that the ama refuses to recognize. Large intravenous vitamin c solutions are being used to fight cancer and there have been a significant number of cases of remission. The AMA refuses to recognize that the use of vitamins may have therapeutic value.

By refuse to recognize I don't mean that the studies have been done and the theory has been disproven. I mean the AMA refures to recognize the published papers of researchers who do work in this area.

I don't know whether vitamin c therapy for cancer treatment is valid but I do know that it should be studied if there are a significant number of cases where it has been shown to work.

[dainbramaged]

Pretty sure there's a tiny write-up in his natural cures book where he (Kevin Trudeau) suggests people take dianetics and get into Scientology. Maybe he's in with them and that's how he's still keeping his head above water? Otherwise, you'd have thought he would have disappeared a long time ago into obscurity.

[kloan]

I cured my MRSA infection with Chlorine Dioxide, aka MMS or 'Miracle Mineral Supplement'.

If you Google it, you'll find lots of hokey websites praising it for all it's glory with the annoying undertones so many miracle cure sites and forums gush with, and you'll also find plenty of sites claiming it's a total scam.

Bottom line is it actually WORKED.

I can go into detail about my uncle, and the alternative therapies he used (after his surgery to remove a melanoma tumor in his brain), but I don't really feel like getting into it. I'll just say it involved Vitamin C IV, along with a ton of other stuff.. some I question the legitimacy of.. he had to go down to Tijuana to get this done.. was there for a month then was told to go home and brought back a ton of stuff to use on his own, including the IV drip.

Anyway, without going into more details, his scans came back clean after this protocol. Doctors were all amazed at both his recovery, and the fact that nothing came back, when the survival rate of his particular cancer is something like 10% (I don't remember exactly what it was).

Unfortunately he passed away in his sleep, we suspect his blood pressure dropped too low... could've been any number of causes. But more importantly is that alternative therapies DO work, and can absolutely prevent the re-occurrence of cancer. But it's an individual thing.

My dad is struggling to keep his g/f alive, also doing the alternative therapies with IV, etc. So far she is making good progress, with no new surgeries since she had 1/2 her liver removed 2 years ago.

Anyway, I do believe in natural alternatives to drugs because I have both lived it and seen people close to me survive because of it. There are reasons information like this is suppressed. It isn't as clearcut as saying, oh well if it really did work then everyone would be talking about it, etc. There are huge obstacles to overcome, many misinformed people and misinformation to correct. It will take decades more before things like this will actually make a difference in how people go about healing themselves.

[nisser]

the fda is american and have made it illegal to say vitamin c will cure a disease

the topic at hand is vitamin c curing scurvy, not 'disease'. Proof please.

[buildinthaskinnys]

the topic at hand is vitamin c curing scurvy, not 'disease'. Proof please.

scurvy is a disease, why are you so stubborn? There numerous diseases caused by deficiencys in vitamins, this is well known.

[waderow]

scurvy is a disease, why are you so stubborn? There numerous diseases caused by deficiencys in vitamins, this is well known.

he's a nurse and thinks all anyone needs to know is that there is magic in those needles they give you.... so dont ask any questions

[nisser]

scurvy is a disease, why are you so stubborn? There numerous diseases caused by deficiencys in vitamins, this is well known.


I'm not being stubborn. A claim was made that it's illegal to label vitamin C as a CURE FOR SCURVY. I am challenging that specific claim. Show the proof.

Why is there difficulty in understanding the question?

[waderow]

I'm not being stubborn. A claim was made that it's illegal to label vitamin C as a CURE FOR SCURVY. I am challenging that specific claim. Show the proof.

Why is there difficulty in understanding the question?

email the FDA and prove us wrong

[nisser]

That's the most retarded logic I've ever heard. I never made the claim; I am challenging it. The onus for proof isn't on me.


Similar logic:
I heard you have syphilis and are mentally challenged. Prove us wrong.

[waderow]

That's the most retarded logic I've ever heard. I never made the claim; I am challenging it. The onus for proof isn't on me.


Similar logic:
I heard you have syphilis and are mentally challenged. Prove us wrong.

youre the only one requiring a tampon in your vajina over it

[CanadianIron]

That's the most retarded logic I've ever heard. I never made the claim; I am challenging it. The onus for proof isn't on me.


Similar logic:
I heard you have syphilis and are mentally challenged. Prove us wrong.


I think his posts demonstrate that he is not mentally challenged, im sure if you accomodated the testing he would allow for an STI screening.

[musclehead123]

I'm not being stubborn. A claim was made that it's illegal to label vitamin C as a CURE FOR SCURVY. I am challenging that specific claim. Show the proof.

Why is there difficulty in understanding the question?

I believe on some of my bottles of supplements it says "This product is not intended to treat or cure disease"



Do you guys also know that there was a bill introduced in parliment that was about to be passed saying that supplements would no longer be OTC. I cannot remember the reason why it didnt pass, but i know it wasn't because officals didnt like the idea. I have been hearing about this since 2005 a lot was kept hush hush by the government. I believe this has already happened in parts (or all) of europe, now if those guys want to get a bottle of vit. C they need to get a script for it and the pharmacy charges them something like 60 bucks for it. So that should tell you right there that supplements do work/help and thats why the drug companies want to get their hands in it. Also probably to add extra shit in the supplements so that if you take too much of whatever you'll experience side effects.


somebody also stated that if there were cures wouldnt the govt want them out to reduce healthcare cost?

Well think about it, if the govt officals are getting kickbacks from these multi billion dollar companies why would they give a shit about reducing healthcare costs?

I believe these cures would work, but natural cures isn't not like taking a pill and you are cured it takes a lot of discipline, time, and most importantly positive thinking.

[monkey]

To be honest with you Wade,i dont know.But to me the cost of treating cancer is so friggin high that i have trouble imagining it would be less than what the govenrment makes from income tax and such.But if yo are right about the tax spin offs and other shit mentioned in your post,then it would "patheticaly" make sense..I guess my treating instead of curing..one would live less longer as well and not take up too much off their pension..Anyways,I degress

You know,I can understand the business aspect of it.The government wants to make money in order to pay for other resources,which in turn will make our country better and richer.I know most people see this as highway robbery,and see it as politicians putting money in their pocket and what have you.Yes,some do that,granted,but the overall money made from these decisions goes back into the system.The government runs the country like "you" would run a business.It wants money and lots of it.It cuts corners and bargains all that they can.But what i have a problem with with this typical situation is that they are doing it at the expense of people lives.

Shame on them..


The people making decisions are like most people.. interested in their own well being. If you have somebody send you and your family on nice trips, receive a nice extra pay check or any other type of hidden benefit.. the people will choose to do you a favor and perhaps blow government money out that doesnt belong to you anyways.
Lobbying is soo extremely powerful and for some companies by far the most effective marketing strategie..

SO yeah, even if it did outweight the cost.. most people will act in self interest and take their benefit..

[nisser]

youre the only one requiring a tampon in your vajina over it

Why can't you be a man and admit you made a ****ing mistake? Stop being a dickwad and either prove your statement or take it back.

[waderow]

Why can't you be a man and admit you made a ****ing mistake? Stop being a dickwad and either prove your statement or take it back.

I didnt make a mistake. I am just not wasting my time to look for the legislation, or by getting a letter from the FDA or Health Canada reiterating the fact

[CanadianIron]

I didnt make a mistake. I am just not wasting my time to look for the legislation, or by getting a letter from the FDA or Health Canada reiterating the fact

Section 3 of the Food and Drugs ActFood and Drugs Act (formal title An Act respecting food, drugs, cosmetics and therapeutic devices) is an Act of the Parliament of Canada regarding the production, import, export, transport across provinces and sale of food, drugs, contraceptive devices and cosmetics
Prohibits the advertisement, to the general public, of a food, drug, cosmetic or medical device as a preventative, treatment or cure for certain diseases, disorders and abnormal physical states. These diseases and conditions are specified in Schedule A of the Food and Drugs Act and are commonly referred to as "Schedule A diseases."

[nisser]

I didnt make a mistake. I am just not wasting my time to look for the legislation, or by getting a letter from the FDA or Health Canada reiterating the fact

Schedule A Diseases from the Food and Drugs Act [Section 3]

* Acute alcoholism
* Acute anxiety state
* Acute infectious respiratory syndromes
* Acute, inflammatory and debilitating arthritis
* Acute psychotic conditions
* Addiction (except nicotine addiction)
* Appendicitis
* Arteriosclerosis
* Asthma
* Cancer
* Congestive heart failure
* Convulsions
* Dementia
* Depression
* Diabetes
* Gangrene
* Glaucoma
* Haematologic bleeding disorders
* Hepatitis
* Hypertension
* Nausea and vomiting of pregnancy
* Obesity
* Rheumatic fever
* Septicemia
* Sexually transmitted diseases
* Strangulated hernia
* Thrombotic and Embolic disorders
* Thyroid disease
* Ulcer of the gastro-intestinal tract

Oh gee, Scurvy sure as **** isn't on there. Thanks CI.


Keep on looking like a tool Waderow. You're doing a mighty fine job.

[CanadianIron]

I just copied and pasted the first link I found on google, all it demonstrates is that there is legislation regarding the advertisement of "cures" for diseases. Im sure scurvy is classified differently but falls under the same guidelines.

[Bowlcut]

I just copied and pasted the first link I found on google, all it demonstrates is that there is legislation regarding the advertisement of "cures" for diseases. Im sure scurvy is classified differently but falls under the same guidelines.

You are correct. Anyone notice why Nutrasea had to change the packaging on their fish oils? In stores the claims that fish oils helped with depression were crossed out with permanent marker whereas the new packaging states the product is beneficial only for cardio and brain health.

[Bowlcut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms&feature=related

John Stossel taking Trudeau on.

[gicantor]

^^ nice find