Protein powder price.

[Boost]

What a business. The price of protein powder should be cut almost in half IMO. The shit is way over priced. The shit is such a rip off and we all keep buying it.

You would think it would be cheaper seeing as how well it sells. But it's not cheaper because people will pay it. Im guessing thats why they hiked up the price. They know people will keep buying it.

Im going to start eating more meat. It's actually cheaper for me.

[Demonwolf]

funnier still when you look at how the manufacturers get the raw material.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

funnier still when you look at how the manufacturers get the raw material.

What do you mean?

[Bigtred]

Protein powders are usually directly related to dairy products. I don't know what parts you come from but the price of milk around here has gone up a ton in the last 2 years or so.

[BAM]

I don't bother with shakes anymore when off cycle. I notice no massive difference when I add it to my diet. I get enough meat/eggs.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

This has been covered already no? The dramatic price is cause demand has gone up all over the world. Supply is about the same so price goes up. Unless of course there is a conspiracy?????

[Demonwolf]

i'll ask this- where does whey come from?
i mean, do the manufacturers buy big tanker-trucks full of milk? No.

[Mr.Freeze]

whats your point?

[champcar99]

the whey depot had a big sale 100% Whey Protein Isolate 10lbs for like 80 bucks and change... I got 20 lbs for only 174 bucks delivered ..I have seen the price of ISO WHEY its around 130 bucks for 10 lbs..I jumped on it when I saw the price...

[champcar99]

I don't bother with shakes anymore when off cycle. I notice no massive difference when I add it to my diet. I get enough meat/eggs.

dude isnt it important even not on cycle to get some fast acting protein after you have just worked out?

[physique]

i'll ask this- where does whey come from?
i mean, do the manufacturers buy big tanker-trucks full of milk? No.

its made from the gooey left over from cheese production.

as for whey being pricey, its cause of droughts, mad cow disease, cheese production being down, to it being a commodity. whey seems to be in everything these days, thus driving up the cost to everyone including the consumer.

its the same with gas, hell be prepared if u drink beer, as of right now there is a hops shortage in the world. so expect beer to go up aswell!

its the way of the world folks.

[Demonwolf]

whats your point?

I want to find out if anyone knows.
Let's just say that the price increase seems like it might be a total fabrication by the big supp companies. [Milk hasn't gone up in my grocery store, how about yours?]

So, does anyone know?

[Demonwolf]

its made from the gooey left over from cheese production.
-- cheese production being down,

That's right, and you very well may have a point there about cheese, but I have heard it put that it is a MILK shortage not cuts in cheese production.
What have you been told?

If it is cheese though, are there any indications that it's production is down? i haven't heard anything on the news. There are no shortage of pizza joints around here, everyone i know eats cheese, and the grocery store doesn't run out.

Seems like BS to me. When I was told that it was due to milk shortages, I had to laugh at the guy. Milk has gone up about 2 cents in the last few years, and there is no shortage anywhere in this country.
I told him that he obv didn't know anything about the protein he was selling because he said they make it from whole milk. LOL.

[Mr.Freeze]

from an article! "WPC is a product in great demand," he said, and explained that increasing demand is coming from developing markets like China, India, Brazil and Russia where more affluent consumers are switching their eating habits towards more Western-style products.

This includes a demand for all kinds of dairy products.

Coupled with this, there is also a shortage in whey protein concentrates as a result of bad weather in two of the producing countries, Australia and Argentina (drought and flooding respectively).

but the production around the world stays about the same so..

[Demonwolf]

exactly my friend.

doesn't add up does it?

And just to be clear, YES whey is a WASTE product of Cheese making, and last time i saw the price, it was cheap as DIRT. literally pennies per kilo.


DOes anyone here trade stocks? there must be an easy way to observe the market value.

[physique]

That's right, and you very well may have a point there about cheese, but I have heard it put that it is a MILK shortage not cuts in cheese production.
What have you been told?

If it is cheese though, are there any indications that it's production is down? i haven't heard anything on the news. There are no shortage of pizza joints around here, everyone i know eats cheese, and the grocery store doesn't run out.

Seems like BS to me. When I was told that it was due to milk shortages, I had to laugh at the guy. Milk has gone up about 2 cents in the last few years, and there is no shortage anywhere in this country.
I told him that he obv didn't know anything about the protein he was selling because he said they make it from whole milk. LOL.

its actually made from both cheese and milk.

to make Whey Protein, one starts with Milk.
The Milk is then turned into Curds and Whey.

The Whey is then separated from the Curds. (Because it is the Whey that we want from this. The Curds are NOT used for this. You can go make Cheese or something with them if you do not want to waste the Curds.)

This Whey that has been separated from the Curds is a liquid. This liquid is then dried to make Whey Powder. (Based on some things I have read, I believe it is important NOT to over heat the Whey to make Whey Powder, because this heating will change the structure of the Proteins. This changing is called denaturing or unfolding of the Proteins. And it is believed by some that denatured whey protein does NOT have the same properties as non-denatured whey protein... and thus denatured whey protein will NOT aid in muscle growth and maintenance.)

The Whey Protein is then separated from the Whey Powder through a process called Microfiltering... which uses Static Electricity to separate out the Proteins... which is what we want and what makes Whey Protein.

also
milk has gone up in price, its just whether the grocery stores want to raise it or not is the question. They might just opt to keep the price the same and cut into their profits and make it back on something else.
I know in my restaurant though, i received a letter from our milk supplier talking about new pricing aswell as new cheese pricing. Needless to say i dont buy these items from the supplier anymore and opt to go to superstore where they havent raised the price. which again leads me to believe they are opting to loose profit in order to make a sale on something else like vegetables, or bakery items where the profit margin is huge!

[Demonwolf]

thankyou sir for your great response!

[Freebsd1977]

I don't feel like eating 20+ chicken breasts a day what a 3x a day protein shake can give me in protein amounts.

[RJ*]

id rather eat bison
but im too lazy too cook
irrelevant , so sue me

[Musclehead]

Shakes are whey too convenient for me. I have to use them. On a gram per gram basis, you would be spending much more if you had the equivalent in chicken breasts, tuna or steak. The price increase does suck though, I'll admit that....but just like gas, most of us need it unfortunately.

[shortfatugly]

looking at the wholesale price list right now:

Prolab 5 lbs- 59.62 or 55.23 if you buy 12 or more
kaizen 5 lbs....58.89 ( it was 46 bucks last month.. ) 5% off if you buy 12.
Matrix 5 lbs ... 46.52 10% off if you buy 12

THese are wholesale prices.

Cytosport, Syntrax nectar, Ultimate Nutrition,PVL, 4 ever fit have all increased their prices to match the rest of the companies in the industry.

So 5 pound jugs should sell at a mark up of 20-40%.

The price for a5 pounder will settle in at about 69.99- 74.99 unless something bizarre happens and the number of cows and processing facilities triple while demand drops.
If the price of a 5 pounder isn't 69.99 in your favorite store, then as PHYSIQUE pointed out, they are taking a reduced profit on the protein powder ( or no profit ) while making a higher profit on something else.

The protein powder being sold at cost or just a little above is like bread and milk at the grocery store- it is something that everyone wants so they make a little profit on this in order to get you to come in to buy becel margarine or whatever.

You can buy sweet dairy whey, whey powder, whey protein, then better more highly processed whey protein, casein, egg albumin.

If you look at the ingredients on some non-bodybuilding products - like soups and more mainstream food items that the normies eat- you will start to see WHEY PROTEIN or WHEY POWDER listed in there.

They ar eNOT interested in our health or increasingthe protein content- it is used as a filler / binder/ thickener for many things. the health is just a side effect. But their demand for whey has added another reason for the increased price for this item.

Good luck all.

[Mr.Freeze]

looking at the wholesale price list right now:
From who?

[shortfatugly]

from one of the companies distributing those items in CAnada.

A couple of those items are 75% - 81 % whey protein. Prolab is actually about 67% protein the last time I looked. I hope that they changed it and increased the % but i don't know.

Some of the lower percentage protein powders - those having 66-70% would be cheaper of course.

GNC had a sale on Cytosport at 39.99 if you were a gold member. But that was a one shot deal.

EAS whey protein can be found sometimes for 49.99 plus tax. It is now owned by a pharm company .

Most of the 5 pounders I see are now 54.99 and heading up in weeks to come as the company gets new higher priced stock in to replace what they sold.
Champion Nutrition pure whey is 64.99
Dymatize Elite whey is 54.99
ON- whey ( either one of them ) - about 54.99 - 59.99
Whey Maxx- 54.99 to 59.99

the prices are going up.

Blame Bush and the World Food Organization(?). guns versus butter and stupid trade practices.


Although it is important if this company is the main importer or a sub-distributor, the more significant item to notice is that their wholesale price is going up.
This is at a time when the Canadian dollar is better than the AMerican dollar.

We are not being duped: the price of the whey protein- like all commodities - is going up as world food prices soar.

THe other issue is that it is true that our own Canadian companies are NOT passing along any savings they are getting to retailers like PHYSIQUE. They are getting this saving due to our better dollar against the USD.

I don't have any way to know the exact difference but I'd say that the percentage increase due to the fact that the wholesale companies know they have us by the balls is at least 10% and no more than 20%.

They know that many people will order via internet from the US but there is still a large percentage of the demographic that will buy local. or at least here in CAnada.

ANd the Canadian companies have signed exclusive agreements with the US manufacturers so that they be the only canadian importer. Many retailers have found ways around this but that is for another thread.

[physique]

wholesale costs are expected to go down in the next couple of months, due to more countries producing whey.

again supply and demand

[shortfatugly]

and again, we will hear that the reason that the price will stay high for the next little while is that they had to replace the product with whey protein bought at the THEN higher price. it may be 4 months before this new lower wholesale price product hits the shelf at your local store.

Only retailers with a high turnover rate will be able to give the consumer the best price as soon as the wholesale price hits the bottom.
so , like everything, i will wait to see.

I always wonder if the wholesale price given to people on the east coast is the same as the wholesale price given to people in BC.

Hey physique, do the prices i have listed in one of my posts look like the prices you are being offered?

thanks.

[Mr.Freeze]

whosales??those price are the same as supplements canada??

[physique]

and again, we will hear that the reason that the price will stay high for the next little while is that they had to replace the product with whey protein bought at the THEN higher price. it may be 4 months before this new lower wholesale price product hits the shelf at your local store.

Only retailers with a high turnover rate will be able to give the consumer the best price as soon as the wholesale price hits the bottom.
so , like everything, i will wait to see.

I always wonder if the wholesale price given to people on the east coast is the same as the wholesale price given to people in BC.

Hey physique, do the prices i have listed in one of my posts look like the prices you are being offered?

thanks.


i know exactly where those prices came from. True north, worst company on earth to deal with!!! there pricing is f*cking ridiculous on everything they stock!

the rest of the companies dont sell to the retailer that high. i wont give prices out on here, as there is no need for our customers knowing what we pay and mark it up for.

but will say, the wholesale pricing and discounts for bulk vary vastly between the east and the west. Hell they differ vastly from store to store with the same rep. Gotta remember most reps make commission, so lowering the price cuts into their paychecks. and some are f*cking ****s.

[physique]

whosales??those price are the same as supplements canada??

now u are opening the door to something shortfatugly is trying to tell you. supplements canada better known as popeyes, has MASSIVE buying power and can easily sell at or below what smaller stores like myself buy the product for.

Is this fair? personally i always tell my distributors no!!! If they buy huge amounts thats fine and get it for a power price then me, but there should be a set price to sell for, so the little guy can compete too, but it doesnt work this way in this cut throat industry.

hence why i rely on carrying the US products, so i have something to offer to people who shop at the bigger stores. My store alos isnt one sided. i dont just deal supplements, we carry clothing, weight equipment, boxing equipment, MMA, and movies and books. so i have more avenues to try and earn a dollar from.

[shortfatugly]

Mr. Freeze,

yes they are. number of reasons for this;

1. lower price at the start due to their higher volume purchase. they negotiate a better price.
2. refunds/ rebates at the end depending on how much they sale. this would be a % of their sales.
3. Some wholesale companies offer weird things in order to get you to buy a certain dollar amount. as an example- if you buy 10 000 dollars of brand X, one distributor offered a 3000 dollar trip to the BAhamas for 2 people for 10 days at a 4 or 5 star resort.
4. loss leader.
5. the company is given freebies to sell or do whatever they please in order to offset the loss on the product sold at cost.
But yes you are right.

YOu can either believe that they pay only 50% of that price and that the entire industry is trying to fool you.. or
you can believe that option 1 thru 5 is happening. or all of htem.

NO matter what the price is on the sticker- almost every customer automatically assumes that the retailer paid half.

This is not always true. certainly not in the supplement industry unless the company spends a fortune creating brand awareness.

The more expensive items will sit there unless priced accordingly.

the cheaper items can be marked up substantially and no one says a word.

Per serving, if the consumer can get 22 grams of protein for between 1.50 and 2 bucks, they will be happy. For the past several years, the end consumer has been paying 40 cents to about 1 dollar per serving.

The price will probably rise to between 1 buck and 1.75 per serving at the 5 pound jug size.

The Atlantic Superstore has been charging that price (69.99)f or the prolab 5 pound whey protein for several years without any complaints from their customers.

Sup Can will continue their low price until the competition dries up or , as they did with sport nutrition depot, simply buy them out and no longer offer competitive prices. BEfore they bought SND, they routinely would have 29.99 or 32.99 prices. Afterwards, those were gone or only offered sparingly. So they recouped their money in about 3 - 6 months.

Those were the wholesale prices as of march 15th.

EVen if the price comes down, it will only be the large companies who will be a position to take advantage of it. EVen then, the increased supply is not going to go to bodybuilding companies. It will go first and foremost to those firms that are willing to pay the full market price and who can buy in quantity. excessive of 1000 tonnes of powder per year and more likely closer to 5000 tonnes per year. and most supplement companies don't buy anywhere near the necessary amount. probably only a handful buy in excess of 1000 tonnes and only 3 or 4 buy more than 5000 tonnes per year.

anyway.. that's enough for now.

comparison;

100 grams of chicken cost 1.20 and supplies 18 grams of protein.
30 grams of protein powders costs 1.20 and gives you 18 grams of protein. This means that a 5 pound jug could be as much as 90 bucks and you'd be getting the equivalent amount of protein.

But most protein powders are about 60 bucks so it's about 85 cents per serving. Still seems reasonable.

People will pay 4 bucks for a bottle of beer at a bar but won't pay 1.50 per serving for their protein..

so it's a matter of priorities.

[Sean Summers]

GNC Gold Card price for Cytosport Complete Whey was $39.99 on special. It is now $43.99 (Gold Card). Only $4 more. There is also a 30% line drive coming up in the future. It is also 81% protein per scoop.
SS

[shortfatugly]

Physique yes, There are a strange distributor. They seemed to be offering one brand that one of their competitors believes has the exclusive canadian rights for. lol...

I assume that they are simply sub-distributing for them but assuming gets a person in trouble.

The gist of it is that whey powder price has been low based upon market conditions and the fact that the whey powder was almost considered a waste product for many years.

It wasn't until major companies discovered the money being made in this industry and the many uses for this cheap product in their own 'normal ' food.

A buyer for Campbells soup told me that they were buying whey powder ( not whey protein ) for about 22 cents per pound at the quantity they were buying.

People will pay 2 bucks for a coffee that cost 6 cents. The paper cup cost more ( 10 cents ).

Coffee bean is being bought for 16 cents per pound when bought in bushel bags. Roast them, package them and you are paying 9 bucks per pound.

The price of supplements: well, people sell supplements to make a living so most customers would have to be fools to think that the supplements are not being marked up. its no big secret that it's between 10 and 50% profit. I have never seen a customer pay double cost on protein powder except back in the day with designer whey.

Whenever a customer complained to me about the price and how they were being gouged- I would ask them if they would be willing to work for free for a few days. or go buy the lumber and come build a patio deck for me. for free. MOst understood the point. or they would be told that the quantity bought for the store was 98 bottles. They could receive a discount if they bought something similar. MOst stores have a loyalty card program that entices the customer to repeat his/her business with the local store. Keep the receipt and receive 5 bucks off your next purchase sort of thing.

it's funny how no matter what the sticker price is, you can always count on there being a few people who assume that the cost is half of that. They probably also believe that the moon landing was faked in the deserts of nevada.
both are urban myths.
protein powder is marked up 10 or 20% at most. Its almost impossible to make a living selling anything at that rate of return. So other things are sold at a better profit margin.

to anyone:
If having someone make money off you is a huge concern for you, then I suggest that you stay away from shopper drug mart as just about everything in there is double their cost.

Dont' buy contacts. they cost 5 cents to make, and most are marked up 4 times at retail to sell at 90 bucks for a 6 month supply.

and don't buy clothing at any store as the markup is again double the cost for the most part.

and women... holy smokes,, you are getting royally reamed as the mark up on your blouses and dresses is nuts. but you already know that. don't get your hair cut either as where else could someone with a grade 12 education and a 2 year diploma get 50 bucks per hour to cut hair.

everything is relative.

[physique]

GNC Gold Card price for Cytosport Complete Whey was $39.99 on special. It is now $43.99 (Gold Card). Only $4 more. There is also a 30% line drive coming up in the future. It is also 81% protein per scoop.
SS

exactly my point not all distributors offer the same pricing. plus as a store owner, u have to sometimes grow a set of nuts and ask for the prices u want! i did this with the company SS works for on musclemilk and as long as i do the orders they want and in the time frame we set up, i get lower cost without having to sell everything i own, to stock pallets of the stuff.

what i find witrh most distributors is they forget they are wholesalers, to me that means moving quantity for very little mark-up as the quanity makes up for the lower mark-up. but most set there prices alot higher then i think they should bne, espeically when comparing to the US market. but hey what does a guy do? they have me by the balls, but at times u have to stand up for yourself.

[physique]

Physique yes, There are a strange distributor. They seemed to be offering one brand that one of their competitors believes has the exclusive canadian rights for. lol...

I assume that they are simply sub-distributing for them but assuming gets a person in trouble.

The gist of it is that whey powder price has been low based upon market conditions and the fact that the whey powder was almost considered a waste product for many years.

It wasn't until major companies discovered the money being made in this industry and the many uses for this cheap product in their own 'normal ' food.

A buyer for Campbells soup told me that they were buying whey powder ( not whey protein ) for about 22 cents per pound at the quantity they were buying.

People will pay 2 bucks for a coffee that cost 6 cents. The paper cup cost more ( 10 cents ).

Coffee bean is being bought for 16 cents per pound when bought in bushel bags. Roast them, package them and you are paying 9 bucks per pound.

The price of supplements: well, people sell supplements to make a living so most customers would have to be fools to think that the supplements are not being marked up. its no big secret that it's between 10 and 50% profit. I have never seen a customer pay double cost on protein powder except back in the day with designer whey.

Whenever a customer complained to me about the price and how they were being gouged- I would ask them if they would be willing to work for free for a few days. or go buy the lumber and come build a patio deck for me. for free. MOst understood the point. or they would be told that the quantity bought for the store was 98 bottles. They could receive a discount if they bought something similar. MOst stores have a loyalty card program that entices the customer to repeat his/her business with the local store. Keep the receipt and receive 5 bucks off your next purchase sort of thing.

it's funny how no matter what the sticker price is, you can always count on there being a few people who assume that the cost is half of that. They probably also believe that the moon landing was faked in the deserts of nevada.
both are urban myths.
protein powder is marked up 10 or 20% at most. Its almost impossible to make a living selling anything at that rate of return. So other things are sold at a better profit margin.

to anyone:
If having someone make money off you is a huge concern for you, then I suggest that you stay away from Shopper's Drug Mart as just about everything in there is double their cost.

and don't buy clothing at any store as the markup is again double the cost for the most part.

and women... holy smokes,, you are getting royally reamed as the mark up on your blouses and dresses is nuts. but you already know that. don't get your hair cut either as where else could someone with a grade 12 education and a 2 year diploma get 50 bucks per hour to cut hair.

everything is relative.

you must be talking about musclemilk? there are actually 3 distributors in canada that have it. no idea who has the rights and personally i dont give a flying f*ck! whoever gives me the best deal is who i shop with! and i can tell u who doesnt fit that category, True North and Empire Health!

as for your points on price, you are correct on it all. people bitch and whine constantly, but yet buy a water for $1.50 when its free from the tap!

[shithead]

Last time I checked water was $1 tax in. You do have a valid point though physique.

Protein isnt that expensive compared to many of the inflated costs we pay all the time. The same ass thats whining about protein whines about every other good and service. The consumer doesnt realize that we arent doing what we do 'cause of the goodness of our hearts.

Thats what charity/community work is for.

[physique]

Last time I checked water was $1 tax in. You do have a valid point though physique.

Protein isnt that expensive compared to many of the inflated costs we pay all the time. The same ass thats whining about protein whines about every other good and service. The consumer doesnt realize that we arent doing what we do 'cause of the goodness of our hearts.

Thats what charity/community work is for.


you pay tax on water in your province? better go back to the store and demand your 4-5cents back. water is non taxable in canada!

[Mr.Freeze]

500ml and under is taxeble, but not 501ml and up, no?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

600ml and under is taxable. Over that non taxable. If the 600ml is in a pack, non taxable. If it is flavoured or carbonated, taxable.

[Mr.Freeze]

you sure its 600ml,i think its 500ml and under, the reason i say so it that Aquafina did a 501ml so you dont have to pay taxe>

[Sean Summers]

Yeah, watch those mom and pop convenience stores - they are notorious for taxing water.
SS

[shithead]

Fvck all you guys! I know my shit. Where I'm from they tax any bottled water under one liter.

[shithead]

Do I have to pull out a link? I will have you know, I'm armed and ready.

[physique]

Fvck all you guys! I know my shit. Where I'm from they tax any bottled water under one liter.

not in BC boys. water is non taxable whether its 1ml - 4liter jugs.
not 1 store has ever charged me tax, and i dont charge tax either in the gym.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

got this from a canadian gov't site. Maybe it's different for every province??

[shithead]

Its provincial sales tax.

[physique]

not in BC boys. water is non taxable whether its 1ml - 4liter jugs.
not 1 store has ever charged me tax, and i dont charge tax either in the gym.


but shithead is right, its all suppose to be taxable if sold as a single serving. anything sold as a package isnt taxable, nor is anything bigger then 600mls.

[Freebsd1977]

hence why i rely on carrying the US products, so i have something to offer to people who shop at the bigger stores. My store alos isnt one sided. i dont just deal supplements, we carry clothing, weight equipment, boxing equipment, MMA, and movies and books. so i have more avenues to try and earn a dollar from.

Hi Physique, could you post here the url of your online store or PM me it.

Thanks a million. I wouldn't mind getting the US versions of my supps.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Hi Physique, could you post here the url of your online store or PM me it.

Thanks a million. I wouldn't mind getting the US versions of my supps.

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And how the **** did this thread go from protein to water taxes....lmao!!!

[Freebsd1977]

Dude, he's the site sponsor. Click his banner :tu

And how the **** did this thread go from protein to water taxes....lmao!!!

Forgive me, Fitness Etc it is. I clicked on the syringue link and nearly fainted, I hate needles :friday

[shortfatugly]

Dude, he's the site sponsor. Click his banner :tu

And how the **** did this thread go from protein to water taxes....lmao!!!

It went from protein prices to water as there really isn't much more to say.

To sum up:
Whey Protein(and it's source ) is a world commodity type of thing.
CAnadian importers/distributors are setting a higher price to store owners.
Differential pricing given to preferred retailers.
Supply and Demand. HIgh demand even with new producers.

Per serving (18 grams protein ) the price is at most 1.75 and more often it's about 1.50. There is usually 40 to 50 servings per bucket. So I don't see the problem really.

THe old price was artificially low for a number of reasons but price wars- competitive pricing was one of them. THe consumer thought or assumed that 29.99- 39.99 was the regular retail price for a 5pounder. It was not. When SUPP CAN bought SND, SUPP CAN stopped the 29.99 shit. Went immediately to 39.99 and the 29.99 was gone.

So the days of 50 cents per serving is gone.

Most stores sell single serving packs for 2 or 3 bucks. So the savings on a 5 pound bucket is substantial.

Is it that the people whining don't have a job or a job good enough to support their desired purchase?

I am not rich so if there is something that I can't afford or price is out of my reach, I don't normally bitch and complain. I try to save up to buy the larger format size to save some coin.

There seemed to be no real reason for the first post really as none of what was posted was valid. I think he just said that the price is too high in his opinion.

He didn't seem to know that world food prices have increased two or threefold in the past 6 months. Something about milk price not increasing in his supermarkets etc..

Those people who whine about the price of protein appear to be the same people who whine about just about everything they buy.

However, these same people usually show up wearing the most expensive G-unit or ECko shit on their back, work out in $50-90 UNderARmour clothing, 200 dollar sunglasses by Oakley or whatthe **** and a new pair of NIkes on their feet.

and you can usually find them buying REd Bull for 2.49 at convenience stores or 5 dollar drinks at bars.

Apparently, they believe that supplement store owners are there to support their choice of lifestyle.

They only walk into any supplement store to buy whatever is on sale or the cheapest stuff in there and yet complain non-stop when the store goes out of business ...lol...

But there are more than willing to shop at GNC and pay the sticker price. But they don't want to give their "friend" ( the indie shop owner ) any price above cost.

I think that they must be pissed at themselves for not stocking up when they had the chance. When some store was selling 5 pounders for 29.99, they must have missed the op to buy a dozen or so. Now, these same brands are selling for 49.99 to 54.99.

THey whine about everything.

Funny thing though: at the gym i go to, there are a couple of boys who clearly don't have a good paying job or even a job. Half way house type of guys. They tell me that they wish that the price was better but they understand how these things work. They just can't afford it.

So 2 of the guys got together to buy a jug from Superstore.

When one of them overheard 2 high school guys at the gym complaining about the price of Whey protein, one of the guys said " cheap punks!"

The high school guys had Volcom (?) shirt and an Underarmour shirt /gear, high tops sneakers and the board shorts. Buddy fresh out, who called them Cheap Punks , was wearing an old pair of jeans and a t shirt.
It never fails.....

[shortfatugly]

Superstore is now raising it's prices on food items

the chain has been trying to keep the prices down on it's basic items such as milk, breads, cheese, grains, pasta, coffee.
To achieve this, they have brought it a couple of things in greater amounts than previous:

JOe FResh Brand clothing.
Pharmacy
Cosmetics and Health/BEauty products

the Joe FResh Brand clothing took in a little over 400 million for the company. I found that a little hard to believe when I read it. But there it is. unbelievable.

The profit on this is astounding as they can make a shirt for 26 cents and charge 4.87 for it.

The cosmetic and Beauty stuff has tremendous mark up- over 100% and frequently higher.

The instore advertising for these products was substantial as they have signs all up and down the aisles offering the customers 5 bucks off C & H/B products.
They brought the stuff in , marked it up in order to keep the core food items low in price. or not increase the price as much as the increase in the wholesale price should have indicated.
It must not have worked as well as they had hoped.

Oatmeal has gone from 0.77/kg to 1.19/kg

Coffee has gone from 4.19/300 grams to 5.49/300 gm ( nabob as well as maxwell house )

900 grams of their own PC unground Columbian went from 9.99/ 900 grams to 10.99 / 900 grams.
Pasta has gone from 0.99/900g for primo to 1.49/900 g.
Hard brick cheese has increased but you'd have to look at the size of the packages to really notice. The packages from gotten smaller ( say from 700 grams to 610 ).
ADditionally, the cheese price has gone up but only by 20-30% as the decrease in the package size has offset the needed price increase.

The bread I was buying was 2.29 and is now 3.49. There still are sales on commercial bread but mostly 2 for 4 bucks sort of thing.

They have brought in some no-name pasta but it is still selling for 1.49/ 454 g.

Skim Milk Powder was 9.99/kg in 2006, 11.99/kg in 2007but now is 14.99/kg. and 19.03/kg for non-instant.

I was told that this stuff is never going to be lower and may infact be going higher.

Whey protein powder from Vita in Jan 2006 was $120-140. for 20 kilograms but is now close to $200 for 20 kilograms. It may actually be more now.

I eat a lot of these particular food items and the coffee one really hit me. They did the price increase in one week. That is a big jump in just 7 days.


What is happening at the superstore is happening everywhere.

The prices on your favorite food item is only low because they are making profit on something else.
They tried to keep that going for the past 2 years due to competition with Wal-Mart.
Superstore actually said that their own prices were going to go even lower! That was just bullshit...

but now they are slowly giving up that tactic and bringing the food price upwards, in line with world price- or more in line with what they are paying for the item.

They must have finally realized that the consumer would have a shit fit when the price inevitably had to return to normal world market values. They would have had to jump the price from an artificial low of say 2.00 to 5.00 bucks all in one day!
THe people would have gone nuts!
Someone came to their senses and said " okay, start bringing the prices in line to what they really should be! at least give our customers are chance to get used to it.'

[leeroy]

I'm hearing that whey is supposed to drop in price in 4-5 weeks. I hope it goes back to what it was.

[shortfatugly]

I'm hearing that whey is supposed to drop in price in 4-5 weeks. I hope it goes back to what it was.

yeah.. me too. I hope it goes back. i am what is called " cautiously optimistic" however, ...

so I am using a even less per serving that what I do normally.

Although it is still cheap per serving, people have a tendency to look back at the good old days...

I think that Physique has a good deal 5 and 10 pound jugs. check that out.

Luckily I am not all that so Idon't need an excessive amount.

Back in the day - up to 1993-1998 era, a 2 pound jug of whey protein sold for about 49.99 on sale.

and here we go again.

[Sean Summers]

Don't bet on it. If the price does go down it will because companies are making it their loss leader.
SS

[shortfatugly]

Where are people hearing this information? other gym members?
From the companies that import the whey ?
From the companies that manufacture the whey protein?
From supplement company owners? their reps?
From store owners?

It will take at least 3-6 months BEFORE any price drop is noticed IF THERE IS A PRICE DROP IN THE WORLD PRICE OF WHEY!

and IF the supplement companies want to pass along those savings.
They may just as likely NOT pass it along as the conditions that brought about the increase in price aren't simply going to go away.

The wholesaler may be combining sales of whey with some other product. For example, they hold a gun to the retailer's head by saying:
" okay, i will give you 5 pounders whey for 39.99 but you have to buy 48 bottles or cytodryne Xtra ripped ThermoBurn capsules for 42.99.

or whatever the deal is. Any retailer that turns around and passes along the 'deal' isn't that bright as they will get stuck with a lot of stock of the other product that perhaps doesn't sell as fast.

And if the store owner has to buy 2000 bucks worth of other supplements to get that great price of 42.99 for the whey, he/she better understand that the cost of holding that extra stock must be factored in tothe price of the jug.

I'd love for the price to settle in at about 59.99 for a 5 pounder. Per serving that is a pretty good price.

Just don't walk in to the store wearing new REboks and a brand new set of oakleys. lol
I am not at all cool so I don't know what the people wear.

[Sean Summers]

59.99??? Just go to GNC and get a 5lb Cytosport Complete Whey for $43.99. It should be $39.99 next month. If you don't have a Gold Card then go see Physique - he has a pretty sweet deal running now, great service and is a board sponsor.
SS

[leeroy]

I get my info from manufacturer's and importers. Some of them are supplying the brands bought in stores.

[Freebsd1977]

As as today, my local Loblaws has 1.5 lbs tubs of whey mix (isolates and concentrate) for $32.99. It's PC brand and damn expensive. I can get 6.6 lbs tubs at a store near me for $79.99.

[shortfatugly]

leeroy,

thanks for the information.
I shall wait to see if it is as easy for them to keep their word as it was for them to say it.

[Edge]

Guys I dont want to sound like a dick but I remember when 60 bucks for a 5lb optimum was cheap. I just think that the consumers have been spoiled for the last 5 years.
Really were just back to the way it used to be. Calculate dollars and cents and see how much youre paying by serving and youll realize that extra 10 bucks you pay doesnt work out to much. I mean come on guys, how much do we spend at the bars or rippers on the weekend alone?

[Edge]

I'm hearing that whey is supposed to drop in price in 4-5 weeks. I hope it goes back to what it was.

I havent heard any news of this at all. If it goes down, I say marginally.

Even so, Retailers will want to keep margins for a while rather than fluctuate the prices and look mickey mouse.

There WAS a time, when retailers would double up the price of what they would buy for but this industry is competitive now and you just cant do it anymore.

[Edge]

I heard the price that one of my clients is getting for ordering 244 5lb Optimums....It was mediocre. But what can you do...

Where are people hearing this information? other gym members?
From the companies that import the whey ?
From the companies that manufacture the whey protein?
From supplement company owners? their reps?
From store owners?

It will take at least 3-6 months BEFORE any price drop is noticed IF THERE IS
A PRICE DROP IN THE WORLD PRICE OF WHEY!

and IF the supplement companies want to pass along those savings.
They may just as likely NOT pass it along as the conditions that brought about the increase in price aren't simply going to go away.

The wholesaler may be combining sales of whey with some other product. For example, they hold a gun to the retailer's head by saying:
" okay, i will give you 5 pounders whey for 39.99 but you have to buy 48 bottles or cytodryne Xtra ripped ThermoBurn capsules for 42.99.

or whatever the deal is. Any retailer that turns around and passes along the 'deal' isn't that bright as they will get stuck with a lot of stock of the other product that perhaps doesn't sell as fast.

And if the store owner has to buy 2000 bucks worth of other supplements to get that great price of 42.99 for the whey, he/she better understand that the cost of holding that extra stock must be factored in tothe price of the jug.

I'd love for the price to settle in at about 59.99 for a 5 pounder. Per serving that is a pretty good price.

Just don't walk in to the store wearing new REboks and a brand new set of oakleys. lol
I am not at all cool so I don't know what the people wear.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

I wonder if the new take over will lower the prices some.

[Durk]

Be like me and scrumage through the almost expired bin lol

[Baconbits]

Has any one ordered the recession pack from trueprotein.com

It's a blend of concentrate and isolate

25lbs for 119.99

I was just wondering what it is like?

[wan2lrn]

I wonder if the new take over will lower the prices some.


What "take over" are you referring to?

[Mr.Freeze]

Optimum Nutrition just got sold.