My Next Monster Cycle?

[MassNutrition]

Ok Brothers, here we go. This is what I have laid out for a "possible" next cycle. Read it, look it over, suggest something else, add something in, cut something out, make modifications, or just rip the shit out of it... I don't care. I'm looking for some TRUE responses here:

Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday (EOD):
Test Prop 100mg
Masteron 100mg
EQ 200mg

Monday, Wednesday, Friday (EOD):
Test Prop 100mg
Test Cyp 250mg
Tren Ace 100mg

The reason why I spread this out like this is for the comfort of injection volume (3cc per day, 1.5cc spread between 2 bodyparts). I also realize that the EQ and Cyp don't need to be shot as often, but as I said, I'm looking for the comfort of spreading out this volume. Also, it will keep my blood serum levels as steady as possible, with no spikes or dips.

Here is the math:
Test Cyp 750mg/week
Test Prop 700mg/week
Tren Acetate 300mg/week
EQ 800mg/week
Masteron 400mg/week

I also plan on throwing in 5IUs of GH per day after my first 4 weeks are complete, along with 60mcg of IGF EOD (maybe, we'll see what the consensus is on this from you guys).

Total run time: 16 to 20 weeks (we'll see how it goes first)

People who know me from CJM know I hit my cycles HARD and HEAVY. For the guys who don't know me too well, I have a sports doctor who checks me out every 3 weeks. He knows EXACTLY what I do, and how much I do of it. I have been in the "game" for over a decade now. I taper and I use proper anchillaries and recovery times. I don't need to justify my diet, workout routine, bodyweight, or anything else. I'm open to opinions and suggestions...

[JonnyO]

Cycle looks good to me, and I hear you on the volume of the shots, lol. I might skip on the Mast though. Not sure of your bodyfat percent, but find it works best when your leaner in the single digit bodyfat area. Just not a drug I find you really get all that much out of. The last Mast I did was UG and was ok, did it for contest prep. Nothing compared to the real stuff I had 10+ years ago.

You not into orals?

[bigdaddydrew123]

cycle looksw big but not insanely so. my only feeling is all the other drugs are gonna dwarf the masteron. why not save that for a cutter or contest. not that its gonna hurt but it might be a waste. or wait does masteron free up test for growth the same way winnie does , maybe good idea afterall. ya fuk it tthrow it in big fella , whats your stats bro/ just curious.post progress too. im thinkin eq test tren for contest curious how they all will work together

[MassNutrition]

cycle looksw big but not insanely so. my only feeling is all the other drugs are gonna dwarf the masteron. why not save that for a cutter or contest. not that its gonna hurt but it might be a waste. or wait does masteron free up test for growth the same way winnie does , maybe good idea afterall. ya fuk it tthrow it in big fella , whats your stats bro/ just curious.post progress too. im thinkin eq test tren for contest curious how they all will work together

Maybe I'll toss the Mast for some oral Winny? To free up some more Test for growth? If I did toss in the Winny, what dose would you take BDD? Like I said, I'm open for suggestions...

...my stats are 6'1 at 250lbs currently. My all time peak was at 265lbs, with about 12-15% bodyfat. I am looking to break that plateau of 265, even if this cycle takes me to 270, I'll be happy



You not into orals?

Orals are just fine. Like I said, I'm open for ANY kind of suggestion. Any imput is appreciated... tell me what you would change/add.

[gustavo77]

Maybe I'll toss the Mast for some oral Winny? To free up some more Test for growth? If I did toss in the Winny, what dose would you take BDD? Like I said, I'm open for suggestions...

...my stats are 6'1 at 250lbs currently. My all time peak was at 265lbs, with about 12-15% bodyfat. I am looking to break that plateau of 265, even if this cycle takes me to 270, I'll be happy




Orals are just fine. Like I said, I'm open for ANY kind of suggestion. Any imput is appreciated... tell me what you would change/add.

Actually bro mast and winny both free up SHBG..the thing is with masteron it will not totally f**k with your lipids like winny will. Also mast will not stress the liver like winny. How long do you plan on running each compound?? The prop really only needs to be run for the first 4 bro, then the cyp will be fully engaged. I

f you are concerned will volume per inject (i know i am, i spread my shots out mon, wed, fri with all long esters), then using only cyp later on will cut down on inject volume simply do to it higher dosage per ml. All that said i would limit the tren A to 10 weeks, as it is extremely suppressive.

Are you planning to run any ancilleries with this cycle?? HCG, Cabaser/dostinex, an A.I.?? Just to give you an idea to consider, here is how i would lay this puppy out:

Wk 1-4 Test P 100-150mg eod
Wk 1-16 Test Cyp 1g/wk
Wk 1-15 Eq 600mg/wk
Wk 6-15 tren A 100mg eod
Wk 8-15 Mast 100-125mg eod
Wk 1-(4 days before you start pct) HCG 500iu every 3 days or simply 2x/wk
Wk 1-(pct) adex 0.5mg eod
Wk 6-15 cabaser/dost 0.5mg every 3 days or simply 2x/wk

The cyp is ran one week longer then the Eq due to Eq's longer half life. This will enable the half lives of both drugs to clear at roughly the same time and allow you to start your pct on the right footing....gus.

[MassNutrition]

Looks good Gustavo, thanks for the detailed response. As I originally stated, I always use PCT... I just never went into any detail with it. I have always run atleast 500IU of HCG E3D at the end of my cycles, with some Aromasin and Femara ED. My Arimidex, Clomid, and Nolvadex days are over... I find I recover better with an HCG/Femara/Aromasin mini-cycle cocktail. I also heard Nolvadex can inhibit the release of IGF from the liver...

...I have run the EQ at 800mg/week in the past, so I think that's where I'll keep it. I am very comfortable with this dosage, and I love the vascularity and appetite that comes with it... thanks again.

[bigdaddydrew123]

if it was me mass id stick to what you laid out .adding in gus s idea with running test til eq clears. imo with test and tren everything else is secondary. when i ran tnt i added winnie last 6 weeks but didnt notice anything mainly because those compounds were so amazing .kina like adding paper to a gas fire lol. not that there wasnt a benefit i just didnt notice. cant comment on eq trying it now for first time ,let you know . but i did tren for 16 weeks with no probs , will do it again next time . tren is fukin amazin .

[JonnyO]

Have you used Insulin before? This would def help you break that 265lb plateau.

A guy Im training for the Canadians was stuck in the 250's, I redid his cycle and added some Slin and high dose GH E3D and 3 weeks later he was pushing close to 265, hard and vascular as hell.

[MassNutrition]

Have you used Insulin before? This would def help you break that 265lb plateau.

A guy Im training for the Canadians was stuck in the 250's, I redid his cycle and added some Slin and high dose GH E3D and 3 weeks later he was pushing close to 265, hard and vascular as hell.

I love Insulin. I have gone as high as 18IUs, taken twice a day... first thing in the morning, and post-workout. I have ALWAYS used Humalog. It's what got me to the 265lb mark in the first place...

I didn't add it in or even consider it because I thought I was gonna get ripped to shreds by some of the Bros here. I figured the 5IUs of GH and 60mcg of IGF would be plenty.

Would you add in Slin to this? On top of the GH and IGF? Would you take one of the peptides out? What would your timing and dosage be if I were to combine all 3? Or 2 of the 3...?

[bigdaddydrew123]

Have you used Insulin before? This would def help you break that 265lb plateau.

A guy Im training for the Canadians was stuck in the 250's, I redid his cycle and added some Slin and high dose GH E3D and 3 weeks later he was pushing close to 265, hard and vascular as hell.
how much gh e3 day

[JonnyO]

Would you add in Slin to this? On top of the GH and IGF? Would you take one of the peptides out? What would your timing and dosage be if I were to combine all 3? Or 2 of the 3...?

I would if your know how to use it properly then. I'd seriously drop the IGF, that stuff has never done anything for me.

Since you've taken Huma twice a day and if your schedule permits it, I'd go with breakfast and post w/o shots. With PWO being the most important.

For bulking with GH I would consider 10-15iu every 3rd day taken in one shot. If you can afford more then by all means 20iu E3D.

[MassNutrition]

For bulking with GH I would consider 10-15iu every 3rd day taken in one shot. If you can afford more then by all means 20iu E3D.

I see no problem doing that. My original plan was to do 5IUs per day anyway... it would essentially be the same amount over the same period, just taken in one shot...

Would this be an AM(morning) shot with my Insulin? Would this amount of GH be a subQ shot as well, or an IM shot? Since I'm considering now adding Insulin to this stack, I was going to opt for IM shots with the Insulin as Gustavo had suggested in a previous thread... up until now, I have ALWAYS done my GH and Insulin with subQ...

[gustavo77]

Looks good Gustavo, thanks for the detailed response. As I originally stated, I always use PCT... I just never went into any detail with it. I have always run atleast 500IU of HCG E3D at the end of my cycles, with some Aromasin and Femara ED. My Arimidex, Clomid, and Nolvadex days are over... I find I recover better with an HCG/Femara/Aromasin mini-cycle cocktail. I also heard Nolvadex can inhibit the release of IGF from the liver...

...I have run the EQ at 800mg/week in the past, so I think that's where I'll keep it. I am very comfortable with this dosage, and I love the vascularity and appetite that comes with it... thanks again.

No problem bro, i love sharing ideas. I really like the fact that you use an AI during your pct as it works very well. I know people have issues with clomid but honestly this is really due to the dose used....25-50mg of clomid is all that is needed for LH stimulation...with that dose the sides are very low. You are correct about nolva. Not only does it decrease IGF-1 but also GH and i have yet to see a properly laid out, published study showing it is effect for LH secretion....

Here is a cool study on clomid, notice how low of a dose that is used and how effective it is:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16422830

[SiLvErBaK]

Ok Brothers, here we go. This is what I have laid out for a "possible" next cycle. Read it, look it over, suggest something else, add something in, cut something out, make modifications, or just rip the shit out of it... I don't care. I'm looking for some TRUE responses here:

Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday (EOD):
Test Prop 100mg
Masteron 100mg
EQ 200mg

Monday, Wednesday, Friday (EOD):
Test Prop 100mg
Test Cyp 250mg
Tren Ace 100mg

The reason why I spread this out like this is for the comfort of injection volume (3cc per day, 1.5cc spread between 2 bodyparts). I also realize that the EQ and Cyp don't need to be shot as often, but as I said, I'm looking for the comfort of spreading out this volume. Also, it will keep my blood serum levels as steady as possible, with no spikes or dips.

Here is the math:
Test Cyp 750mg/week
Test Prop 700mg/week
Tren Acetate 300mg/week
EQ 800mg/week
Masteron 400mg/week

I also plan on throwing in 5IUs of GH per day after my first 4 weeks are complete, along with 60mcg of IGF EOD (maybe, we'll see what the consensus is on this from you guys).

Total run time: 16 to 20 weeks (we'll see how it goes first)

People who know me from CJM know I hit my cycles HARD and HEAVY. For the guys who don't know me too well, I have a sports doctor who checks me out every 3 weeks. He knows EXACTLY what I do, and how much I do of it. I have been in the "game" for over a decade now. I taper and I use proper anchillaries and recovery times. I don't need to justify my diet, workout routine, bodyweight, or anything else. I'm open to opinions and suggestions...

That cycle is rediculous. That's way too many drugs. I hope your a pro and your getting paid somehow for all this, cause that may be the only way to somewhat justify that amount of crank. I'm 29 yrs old, 6'-0" tall, 250lbs., 10%b.f. and shooting 450mgtest./week, still making slow gains(1-2lbs/week)

[MassNutrition]

Here is a cool study on clomid, notice how low of a dose that is used and how effective it is:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16422830

That was a good read Gus, ty. I have a ton of Clomid kicking around here, so I may throw it in incase it becomes necessary...

[MassNutrition]

That cycle is rediculous. That's way too many drugs. I hope your a pro and your getting paid somehow for all this, cause that may be the only way to somewhat justify that amount of crank. I'm 29 yrs old, 6'-0" tall, 250lbs., 10%b.f. and shooting 450mgtest./week, still making slow gains(1-2lbs/week)

Ridiculous? To some, yes. I know guys who grow like WEEDS with just 500mg of Test per week, then there are my other buddies who don't grow as much even with 2 GRAMS of Test per week. Everyone reacts differently to certain drugs, and at certain dosages, ceratin age, etc. Based on my own past personal history, I know what works for me...

I'm not going pro, nor getting paid. Are you asking me to justify this cycle based on its cost? My shit is all free, it always is. So cost is not an issue, and neither is my health seeing that I get regular check ups and blood work every 3 weeks (as stated earlier). This is about a LIFESTYLE to me, and how I want to look and feel... it's no different than any woman who may spend a ton of cash getting botox, getting her hair done, her nails, or anything else for that matter. She isn't being paid for it, nor plans on being a model one day, but I'm sure she does it for her own personal gratification...

...but I do appreciate your honest opinion! It's what I asked for and it's welcomed! Thank you...

[bigdaddydrew123]

it looks good to me mass although there are alot of compounds none of the doses are over the top.im curious as how eq and tren are gonna work together. should make you vasular i would think.your smart enough to get doc involved so i think your smart enough to know the risks. ive seen guys do way more than this and not gain at all because thry eat like shit and wo like girls. so amounts arent the only factor. keep us posted on your results

[mcgee]

Looks good, should put on some good gains. keep posted :)

[JonnyO]

Yes I always shoot it subQ.

[SiLvErBaK]

Ridiculous? To some, yes. I know guys who grow like WEEDS with just 500mg of Test per week, then there are my other buddies who don't grow as much even with 2 GRAMS of Test per week. Everyone reacts differently to certain drugs, and at certain dosages, ceratin age, etc. Based on my own past personal history, I know what works for me...

I'm not going pro, nor getting paid. Are you asking me to justify this cycle based on its cost? My shit is all free, it always is. So cost is not an issue, and neither is my health seeing that I get regular check ups and blood work every 3 weeks (as stated earlier). This is about a LIFESTYLE to me, and how I want to look and feel... it's no different than any woman who may spend a ton of cash getting botox, getting her hair done, her nails, or anything else for that matter. She isn't being paid for it, nor plans on being a model one day, but I'm sure she does it for her own personal gratification...

Look, it's your health bro. I will tell u one thing.."regular check ups and blood work every three weeks may help you in the short term, and yes, early detection of ANY abonrmal body function is vital, but, As many do, u may realize serious health consequences in the long term resulting in.....quite bluntly.....a much shorter life span. I'm not jundging, i do the shit to, but as i've said before, i've seen time and time again the effects of heavy doses of juice, slin, and any other fuking chemical out there"designed" to produce some sort of sought after effect. So, enjoy you "lifestyle choice" as you have put it, but, free or not, it's YOUR life.
Good luck with that cycle bro, fuk, u know, i think you'll see some great changes in body composition

don't use the masteron if your over 10% bf. ..u won't see much difference. use it in a cutting cycle, it will keep you full and ahrd, and really tighten and add density to the muscle belly. it has anti-estrogenic properties so keep that in mind. some winny, and some masteron, with a little test, in the summer, yee-ha

good luck

...but I do appreciate your honest opinion! It's what I asked for and it's welcomed! Thank you...


Look, it's your health bro. I will tell u one thing.."regular check ups and blood work every three weeks may help you in the short term, and yes, early detection of ANY abonrmal body function is vital, but, As many do, u may realize serious health consequences in the long term resulting in.....quite bluntly.....a much shorter life span. I'm not jundging, i do the shit to, but as i've said before, i've seen time and time again the effects of heavy doses of juice, slin, and any other fuking chemical out there"designed" to produce some sort of sought after effect. So, enjoy you "lifestyle choice" as you have put it, but, free or not, it's YOUR life.
Good luck with that cycle bro, fuk, u know, i think you'll see some great changes in body composition

don't use the masteron if your over 10% bf. ..u won't see much difference. use it in a cutting cycle, it will keep you full and ahrd, and really tighten and add density to the muscle belly. it has anti-estrogenic properties so keep that in mind. some winny, and some masteron, with a little test, in the summer, yee-ha

good luck

[MassNutrition]

don't use the masteron if your over 10% bf. ..u won't see much difference. use it in a cutting cycle, it will keep you full and ahrd, and really tighten and add density to the muscle belly. it has anti-estrogenic properties so keep that in mind. some winny, and some masteron, with a little test, in the summer, yee-ha

good luck

That's perfect, I'll keep that in mind. I appreciate the true honesty!