Mariusz Pudzianowski in MMA , wow !

[Talo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cmDB7aSAI

This guy is a force.

[519Muscle]

is that even fair...

[GYMBRAT]

he's like a bull moose in rut in the ring!

[L3]

i wonder how much PSI behind one of those punches

[tiramisu]

While he won't fair so well against a real opponent I wouldn't get in the ring with him.

[guest]

bahaha! that was hilarious. imagine what someone like crocop would do to him.

*his opponent was previously a pro heavyweight boxer, but that was his first MMA fight.

[cog]

A 220 lb'er is a flyweight to that guy.

[cog]

bahaha! that was hilarious. imagine what someone like crocop would do to him.

Sure.I bet they'll be lining up to fight him.

[guest]

Sure.I bet they'll be lining up to fight him.

...i just hope they work on their defense of a huge guy running at them throwing low kicks with his hands at his sides.

jokes aside, i was always a fan of his for having such a great build in strongman. and if his fist does connect properly you're probably going to have brain damage, lol.

[cog]

He didn't seem to have any respect for that guy whatsoever.Who knows what he weighed for that fight?

[Talo]

One of the comments said that his weight in was 277 pound=125.8 kg for this fight, najman was 221pounds=100.2 kg

[Rhinobolt10]

Mariusz was a believe an amateur boxer in his youth and I've heard a black belt in kyokushin karate, tho I've also heard green. It's the same style that GSP has his black belt in. In his training videos you seem him skipping quite a bit and running around too.

I love seeing Brock and Bobby Lashley tear it up, but seeing top level strongman go and what they'll be able to accomplish is going to be pretty cool too.

Arild Haugen another top level strongman started boxing and looked really good I thought, crisp and fast... he's about Mariusz's size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtTgqun0U7E

that's the link to his first fight.

The only problem is I don't see Mariusz competing for the UFC any time soon as I don't think it's out of the question that he's used Deca and that will take a year and a half to clear his system, if he used EQ, then seeing him in some bigger organizations might be a reality fairly soon.

All in all I think it's pretty cool, and these guys are making a statement about being big and being a fighter for us. I've always felt that everyone was all over muscular gym looking guys saying how they'd get killed in a fight etc etc... but now you've got some huge dudes going out and kicking ass... should shut up the skinny guys in tap out t-shirts a bit...

[guest]

Mariusz Pudzianowski vs Aleksander Emelianenko is planned for april, that will be a definite proving ground.

[oldcanada]

all he needs is a good camp....learn the basics and let the trainers find out what he is good at and hone it in.

Hope he does well, I have always liked him.

Remember every laughed at that WWE guy, what the **** was him name?
Oh yeah Brock Lasenhol

[cog]

Hammer fists from a guy that big have to be in a class of their own.

[oldcanada]

Hammer fists from a guy that big have to be in a class of their own.

I always feel if you can hammer fist, you can short elbow..imagine the power a short elbow from him would have.

Oufrigginch

[Mr.Freeze]

i would not be surprise at all if he kills one of his opponent in the ring.

[oldcanada]

hope I see that fight......you were are thinking it.
I look at car recks on the way by also.

Oh well, human nature

[Durk]

Prediction: Aleks will anihilate him with an insane flurry in the first.

[O-Train]

Prediction: Aleks will anihilate him with an insane flurry in the first.

I'm thinking easy submission. Why take the risk of standing with a monster?

[Durk]

I'm thinking easy submission. Why take the risk of standing with a monster?

He was so open for a flurry during that whole fight. Hands down running straight at him leg kicking? Aleks would Knock his head clean off if he fought him like that.

Personally I find big jacked guys way easyer to stand with than someone with a more athletic build. Sure they punch harder, but they never land anything clean. An athletic guy who punches non stop, gives you no time to think, and forces you into a pace that is too fast for you to handle is much more frusterating.

I think Mariusz best bet would be to GnP and hopefully avoid the submissions. The extra muscle bennifits the ground way more than standing.

[cog]

He was so open for a flurry during that whole fight. Hands down running straight at him leg kicking? Aleks would Knock his head clean off if he fought him like that.

Personally I find big jacked guys way easyer to stand with than someone with a more athletic build. Sure they punch harder, but they never land anything clean. An athletic guy who punches non stop, gives you no time to think, and forces you into a pace that is too fast for you to handle is much more frusterating.

I think Mariusz best bet would be to GnP and hopefully avoid the submissions. The extra muscle bennifits the ground way more than standing.

So you've been going toe to toe with lineman sized jacked guys?What's that old saying?It was a good fight till the big guy got his hands on him?

[guest]

http://discoverthejourney.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/insecurity1.gif

[Durk]

So you've been going toe to toe with lineman sized jacked guys?What's that old saying?It was a good fight till the big guy got his hands on him?

I already said he would have a bigger advantage on the ground.
I spar guys all the time that have 30-40 pounds on me due to lifting weights. They are so easy. They stop moving their heads and drop their hands halfway through the rounds, and become punching bags because they have no cardio or muscle endurance. Most of these guys either try to lose the muscle (so they dont burn out so fast), or they switch to grappling after everyone has had their way with them in the ring lol.

Athletically there is a huge difference when it comes to striking between a guy who is naturally big, and a guys who put on 50+ pounds on top of his natural weight.

[tiramisu]

A man with a 40 pound advantage over you may make you feel good while sparring but in a fight he is going to hurt you. There is a reason why weight classes exist. In almost all cases the bigger and stronger opponent wins.

[guest]

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[turboturist]

Mariusz Pudzianowski vs Aleksander Emelianenko is planned for april, that will be a definite proving ground.

Thats a hell of a test only a couple fights into your career....

[cog]

http://discoverthejourney.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/insecurity1.gif

I think maybe that's you guys concerned about a mere strongman coming in and dominating?:)

[O-Train]

I think maybe that's you guys concerned about a mere strongman coming in and dominating?:)

Well...

a) He does have martial arts training.

b) He hasn't done anything yet.

c) He's not just a strongman. He's an excellent overall athlete that won as many WSM competitions as he did more because of athleticism than brute strength. What most people refer to as a natural athlete.

[cog]

Well...

a) He does have martial arts training.

b) He hasn't done anything yet.

c) He's not just a strongman. He's an excellent overall athlete that won as many WSM competitions as he did more because of athleticism than brute strength. What most people refer to as a natural athlete.

I agree.But it seems some here are trying to equate him with some rather ordinary athletes.This guy wouldn't need to land clean shots.An open hand would do.:)

[Durk]

A man with a 40 pound advantage over you may make you feel good while sparring but in a fight he is going to hurt you. There is a reason why weight classes exist. In almost all cases the bigger and stronger opponent wins.

LOL if the current 175 pound me, and the past 220 pound BBer me were to fight I would put the old me into the ER.

The reason why weight classes exist is because if every fighter could pump themselves up from their natural weight to heavy weight, and still be competitive they probably would.

[tiramisu]

I have fought in half a dozen combative sports over the years. The reason why weight classes exist is that the heavier guy will kick your ass despite having less skill. It's that simple. Little guys like to lie to themselves about it when they fight in points matches. Especially 175 pound guys. A 220 pounder green belt will club a 175 pound black belt in a full contact match in just about any martial art other than possibly jui-jitsu with restricted rules.

[guest]

Thats a hell of a test only a couple fights into your career....

wrong!!!!!!! size and strength are the ultimate factors - all pudz will have to do is get a hold of aleks! :D

here is a vid of aleks taking on a 6'4 270+lber with 28 fights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z6vO1VqCzM&feature=related

[Durk]

I have fought in half a dozen combative sports over the years. The reason why weight classes exist is that the heavier guy will kick your ass despite having less skill. It's that simple. Little guys like to lie to themselves about it when they fight in points matches. Especially 175 pound guys. A 220 pounder green belt will club a 175 pound black belt in a full contact match in just about any martial art other than possibly jui-jitsu with restricted rules.


IF you have still yet to get the point I am talking about someone like aleks who is a guy who would probably be a much bigger heavyweight naturally vs. Marius a blown up heavyweight in a striking match.

I was also refering to (HARD SPARRING) boxing & MT with guys who would naturally be me size, but are holding 30-40 more pound than me because they blew themselves up with too much weightlifting. I am not talking about winning on point either its me using only my left hand halfway through the second round because they are exausted enough to let me do damage that I felt bad about. Like busting their mouth, or nose open because they have no gas to deffend themselves.

If we are talking about guys who are naturally 30-40 pounds bigger than me as their sitting weight yes. I would get raped easy.

[guest]

I have fought in half a dozen combative sports over the years. The reason why weight classes exist is that the heavier guy will kick your ass despite having less skill. It's that simple. Little guys like to lie to themselves about it when they fight in points matches. Especially 175 pound guys. A 220 pounder green belt will club a 175 pound black belt in a full contact match in just about any martial art other than possibly jui-jitsu with restricted rules.

competed 6 different combative sports? that's impressive bro. can i ask which ones?

[O-Train]

Aleks outweighed Thompson by 1lb in that fight. In terms of size and strength no one will find anyone who compares with Pudz. He is over 300lbs with single digit bf%. While size and strength do mean something...against someone like Aleksander Emelianenko it becomes different. I had no idea he was 6' 5''. He will most likely destroy Mariusz. I was just trying to point out before that getting all hyped up about Pudz now is very premature. Although he is an exceptional athlete and if he continues to work at it he will probably develop into an excellent MMA fighter.

[tiramisu]

I'm old so it's not terribly impressive and I'm a dabbler so I generally only do 2-3 years of each; wrestling, shotakan, escrima, boxing, judo, mano y mano, tae kwon do. I will point out that I hated boxing. Being punched in the nose got stale for me really quick.

[tiramisu]

Mariusz isn't an elite fighter. There's a few guys at the top of their game that will be able to pick him apart. As long as he's only fighting second tier fighters Mariusz will essentially just maul them. He's not just strong, although he is obscenely strong, he also has stamina. What he doesn't have is skill and until he faces the first tier fighters that should make for some nice pay days.

[O-Train]

Mariusz isn't an elite fighter. There's a few guys at the top of their game that will be able to pick him apart. As long as he's only fighting second tier fighters Mariusz will essentially just maul them. He's not just strong, although he is obscenely strong, he also has stamina. What he doesn't have is skill and until he faces the first tier fighters that should make for some nice pay days.

I agree. Which is the reason I wonder why they are putting him up against a first tier fighter?

[tiramisu]

I agree. Which is the reason I wonder why they are putting him up against a first tier fighter?

Big Payday. Win or Lose it will be a big draw and Mariusz can cash in. I'm fairly certain he's not afraid to take a beating.

[guest]

Aleks outweighed Thompson by 1lb in that fight. In terms of size and strength no one will find anyone who compares with Pudz. He is over 300lbs with single digit bf%. While size and strength do mean something...against someone like Aleksander Emelianenko it becomes different. I had no idea he was 6' 5''. He will most likely destroy Mariusz. I was just trying to point out before that getting all hyped up about Pudz now is very premature. Although he is an exceptional athlete and if he continues to work at it he will probably develop into an excellent MMA fighter.


wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Mariusz is indestructible. he was a powerlifter and a natural athlete, his strength will negate all of aleks skill and experience. all he has to do is get a hold of him.

[guest]

I'm old so it's not terribly impressive and I'm a dabbler so I generally only do 2-3 years of each; wrestling, shotakan, escrima, boxing, judo, mano y mano, tae kwon do. I will point out that I hated boxing. Being punched in the nose got stale for me really quick.

i've been through a couple sports myself but only competed full contact in 2. judo, karate, tae kwon do, shootfighting, systema, arnis, kickboxing, boxing, muay thai.

i hated boxing too when i first started, i had a lot of bloody noses in the beginning.
i have to admit tho, that in the street, if i could only have one skill it would be boxing.

[O-Train]

wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Mariusz is indestructible. he was a powerlifter and a natural athlete, his strength will negate all of aleks skill and experience. all he has to do is get a hold of him.

If only Aleks was made of steel and weighed 800lbs. Mariusz would feel more at home.

I'm starting to see why Durk thinks he should stand and trade with Pudz. He's an excellent striker and his opponent in this video must be like 6' 8''.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaRF0BWVWzc&feature=related

I really want to watch this fight. Just to see what actually happens.

[O-Train]

This is an interesting fight to watch too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irtwhODw0tM&feature=related

Sort of the result I was thinking of if he went for a submission. Probably won't need to be overly technical.

[guest]

I really want to watch this fight. Just to see what actually happens.

me too bro. even though aleks has experience and skill i recognize pudz has crazy KO power. there's always a punchers chance and that means pudz may have his chin tested too.

[tex]

This is an interesting fight to watch too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irtwhODw0tM&feature=related

Sort of the result I was thinking of if he went for a submission. Probably won't need to be overly technical. when they showed the intro for them it said bobish was from the usa but it had a canadian flag next to it...

[cog]

wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Mariusz is indestructible. he was a powerlifter and a natural athlete, his strength will negate all of aleks skill and experience. all he has to do is get a hold of him.
In much the same way that Brock handled Randy.

[guest]

In much the same way that Brock handled Randy.

good point.

i wonder what would happen if Pudz went against Sapp? neither have a ton of skill but both are freaky powerful natural athletes. might be interesting.

[GYMBRAT]

All in all I think it's pretty cool, and these guys are making a statement about being big and being a fighter for us. I've always felt that everyone was all over muscular gym looking guys saying how they'd get killed in a fight etc etc... but now you've got some huge dudes going out and kicking ass... should shut up the skinny guys in tap out t-shirts a bit...

WURD!! :pb

[guest]

...there are huge dudes in tapout shirts too. just an observation.

[Shortdave]

LOL if the current 175 pound me, and the past 220 pound BBer me were to fight I would put the old me into the ER.

The reason why weight classes exist is because if every fighter could pump themselves up from their natural weight to heavy weight, and still be competitive they probably would.


What you aren't realizing here is just how incredibly strong Mariusz is. You as a 220lbs bodybuilder wasn't anything impressive strength wise, you are probably only 10% away from your max lifts right now. Now imagine instead of fighting yourself at 220 picture yourself fighting a guy who is as conditioned as you are but is more than double your strength.


Mariusz overhead presses more than most "strong" people squat.
Granted that doesn't automatically make him a good fighter, but it's not as if his muscle is for show, he is conditioned, he is incredibly explosive and he is exceptional at using his strength in any situation.
The argument isn't about Mariusz being bigger than somebody by a few pounds, we are talking about a guy who is two to three times stronger than most of his potential competitors. Again, this doesn't mean he is always going to win but I can guarantee that you have no personal experiences to compare Mariusz to.

[Durk]

What you aren't realizing here is just how incredibly strong Mariusz is. You as a 220lbs bodybuilder wasn't anything impressive strength wise, you are probably only 10% away from your max lifts right now. Now imagine instead of fighting yourself at 220 picture yourself fighting a guy who is as conditioned as you are but is more than double your strength.


Mariusz overhead presses more than most "strong" people squat.
Granted that doesn't automatically make him a good fighter, but it's not as if his muscle is for show, he is conditioned, he is incredibly explosive and he is exceptional at using his strength in any situation.
The argument isn't about Mariusz being bigger than somebody by a few pounds, we are talking about a guy who is two to three times stronger than most of his potential competitors. Again, this doesn't mean he is always going to win but I can guarantee that you have no personal experiences to compare Mariusz to.


I was not saying that his massive strength would not help him in (MMA). It deffinately would be a big bonus in the GnP, and wrestling aspects. I dont see his strength, and Plifting muscles giving him much more of an advantage in the standup. That is what I was trying to get across to hurly when he couldnt understand why aleks would throw punches with him.

[Gilmour]

If only Aleks was made of steel and weighed 800lbs. Mariusz would feel more at home.

I'm starting to see why Durk thinks he should stand and trade with Pudz. He's an excellent striker and his opponent in this video must be like 6' 8''.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaRF0BWVWzc&feature=related

I really want to watch this fight. Just to see what actually happens.


The tall guy in that fight was about the slowest puncher I've ever seen. Terribly slow footwork too.

[Gilmour]

good point.

i wonder what would happen if Pudz went against Sapp? neither have a ton of skill but both are freaky powerful natural athletes. might be interesting.
I haven't read this whole thread but I am to believe that you believe Marius is a natural athlete, in that he competes clean?

[guest]

I haven't read this whole thread but I am to believe that you believe Marius is a natural athlete, in that he competes clean?

haha, no i meant natural in athletic ability.

this thread is all over the place, a lot of posts are being misconstrued. i think some people are taking the criticism of pudz's fighting ability personally, as if it says big guys are a joke when it comes to fighting, which they are not - especially in the street.

everyone here is quick to mock a guy doing deads or squats with shitty form but if you mention pudz's fighting style looked funny it is for some reason taken as a slag against the muscle community and bigger guys in general.

pudz beat the tar out of that guy but he looked hilarious doing it. it's nothing to be ashamed of, he won and against a former pro boxer. bob sapp too, is a big thick guy that looks funny when he fights but he beat ernesto hoost twice. pudz can only get better and i can't wait to see him and aleks go at it.

[BAM]

I bet those kicks hurt like ****. Anyone who gets that same kicking done to them is done.

[O-Train]

The funny thing is that before the fight starts Aleks is just going to stand there with a blank stare on his face looking entirely uninterested. If I had money to bet I'd put it all down on Aleks in the first round.

It isn't the case of the small skilled fighter vs. the un-tested monster. I think Aleks has a larger frame than Mariusz and will have a reach advantage. If Mariusz tries rushing in the way he did in his first fight he will probably get KO'd in the first minute. Does Mariusz have any kind of wrestling or grappling experience?

[BAM]

Does Mariusz have any kind of wrestling or grappling experience?

I think he only knows smash and crush techniques.

[cog]

I predict Aleks will have a blank stare after the fight as well.

[tex]

I was not saying that his massive strength would not help him in (MMA). It deffinately would be a big bonus in the GnP, and wrestling aspects. I dont see his strength, and Plifting muscles giving him much more of an advantage in the standup. That is what I was trying to get across to hurly when he couldnt understand why aleks would throw punches with him.his punching power should be out of this world.....i know that im only a 400lb raw bencher but because of the powerlifting training (explosiveness and cns training) that i punch pretty ****in hard....

[turboturist]

wrong!!!!!!! size and strength are the ultimate factors - all pudz will have to do is get a hold of aleks! :D

here is a vid of aleks taking on a 6'4 270+lber with 28 fights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z6vO1VqCzM&feature=related

Lol that was awesome, I remembering watching that on the PPV and lmao at how calm aleks looked just before the bell rang.

[turboturist]

i've been through a couple sports myself but only competed full contact in 2. judo, karate, tae kwon do, shootfighting, systema, arnis, kickboxing, boxing, muay thai.

i hated boxing too when i first started, i had a lot of bloody noses in the beginning.
i have to admit tho, that in the street, if i could only have one skill it would be boxing.

Really, you would take boxing over muay thai? What is it with one over the other that you would chose boxing?

[guest]

Really, you would take boxing over muay thai? What is it with one over the other that you would chose boxing?

well, it's simpler and effective but you are right, it is always better to have more tools. You dont always have a full round to set things up in the street, plus you may be facing more than one opponent and being on one foot because you just threw a kick might be bad.

i'm just talking out of my ass anyway, everyone knows tae kwon do is king. chuck norris.

[turboturist]

well, it's simpler and effective but you are right, it is always better to have more tools. You dont always have a full round to set things up in the street, plus you may be facing more than one opponent and being on one foot because you just threw a kick might be bad.

i'm just talking out of my ass anyway, everyone knows tae kwon do is king. chuck norris.

You sure have beena sarcastic ass lately, you not getting any. Lol

Boxing cause it's simple, makes sense.

I sucked at kick boxing cause I am as fast as second class mail. But I enjoyed Judo the little bit I took. There is not much offered where we live but I sure would like to do some kind of Martial Art.

[guest]

You sure have beena sarcastic ass lately, you not getting any. Lol

Boxing cause it's simple, makes sense.

I sucked at kick boxing cause I am as fast as second class mail. But I enjoyed Judo the little bit I took. There is not much offered where we live but I sure would like to do some kind of Martial Art.

ya i guess i have. shitty diet, not training and low test is making me miserable i think. sorry.

*hugs*

[turboturist]

ya i guess i have. shitty diet, not training and low test is making me miserable i think. sorry.

*hugs*

:) no worries snookums.

[guest]

Pudz's boxing coach...

“His boxing technique is bad. There a lot of holes in his game. His defense is weak, he didn’t have much time to learn. There are holes in every aspect of his boxing technique. His jab is bad, his legs are bad, his defense is bad, his offense is bad. I also don’t think Mariusz is ready to take a punch” - Krzystof Kosedowski

[turboturist]

Pudz's boxing coach...

“His boxing technique is bad. There a lot of holes in his game. His defense is weak, he didn’t have much time to learn. There are holes in every aspect of his boxing technique. His jab is bad, his legs are bad, his defense is bad, his offense is bad. I also don’t think Mariusz is ready to take a punch” - Krzystof Kosedowski

Thats a nice bode of confidence in your fighter.

[guest]

Thats a nice bode of confidence in your fighter.

....maybe he takes pride in his work and doesn't want everyone to think that Pudz is the kind of fighter he produces. who knows? pretty scathing though and i don't think it is a ruse after seeing his poor technique in the last fight.

i like pudz a hell of a lot more than sylvia but i think his heart may get him into deeper water than he can swim. taking another fight so close to the sylvia bout is kinda silly. god bless his attitude, hope he wins.

[ironwill]

Durk, carrot top could kick the new and old you's ass.....he has a fuscia belt in decorating and flower picking, so watch out!!!

[guest]

meh...

http://www.mmaroot.com/mariusz-pudzianowski-vs-yusuke-kawaguchi-fight-video-ksw-13/

[natenator]

meh...

http://www.mmaroot.com/mariusz-pudzianowski-vs-yusuke-kawaguchi-fight-video-ksw-13/
ya he looked like shit last night.

Tim must be so giddy he ate a donut!

[O-Train]

ya he looked like shit last night.

Tim must be so giddy he ate a donut!

I don't think it was just last night. From what I saw Pudz doesn't know how to throw a punch.

[natenator]

I don't think it was just last night. From what I saw Pudz doesn't know how to throw a punch.
well neither does Brock LOL

[ironwill]

linkie no workie....

[O-Train]

well neither does Brock LOL

Very true. Brock can win fights because his size and strength coupled with his top level wrestling allows him to totally control his opponents. Pudz should have been able to throw that guy around like a ragdoll but he doesn't seem to have much of a grappling background. When he got the guy down he didn't really do anything.

Pudz is a great athlete so we'll see how fast he can learn but right now he looks big and kinda awkward.

Link to the fight (probably won't be up for long and low quality)
http://www.youtube.com/user/janek031#p/u/8/66Ooyj7K8Fw

[guest]

I don't think it was just last night. From what I saw Pudz doesn't know how to throw a punch.

sshhhhh.....don't slag Pudz around here......he is big and muscley, that means he doesn't need any skill.

[natenator]

sshhhhh.....don't slag Pudz around here......he is big and muscley, that means he doesn't need any skill.
I think only Andre and his man love of him believes that.

[guest]

this is awesome,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJyS6UoZhlk&feature=player_embedded