Frontloading EQ?

[methadone]

Hey guys, ive just started test/eq. I've never done EQ before, but from all the research ive done, it seems that eq can take up to 6-8 weeks to be visually effective, would frontloading at double the dosages for the first week help in getting to the peak levels quicker or should I just be wait it out?

[Delt King]

I always front load everything to get peak blood levels quicker.

[methadone]

how long do you normally frontload for? Are you just doubling the dosages for the first week?

[nii]

Frontloading has nothing to do with what substance ur using, rather the ester and how to achieve optimum blood levels as quick as possible.

I personally dont understand why frontloading isnt the defacto standard in every cycle. In theory it works, and in practice it works almost to a tee. This is the frontloading technique i use with Enth, it takes 3 days to get blood levels stable what would take a non frontloaded cycle 21 days.

http://www.warriorfx.com/2007/07/front-loading-steroid-cycles/#more-67

There's alot of misinformation spread by uninformed people that you cannot frontload using a long lived ester such as Enth or Cyp. These people dont understand how esters work and should keep their mouths shut.

Unfortunately i dont know what ester equipose uses, and not sure how many shots you've had, so frontloading now would be tricky.

[GYMBRAT]

I never front load, and my blood levels are near perfect every time ;)

[methadone]

i JUST started. i did my first shots last night, 750mg of test and 600mg of EQ. I think EQ is undeclyate (excuse the spelling)

[GYMBRAT]

undecylenate :D, and EQ's active life is around the 14-16 day mark I believe

[methadone]

yeah there you go..lol

so whats everyone's take on frontloading?

[nii]

i JUST started. i did my first shots last night, 750mg of test and 600mg of EQ. I think EQ is undeclyate (excuse the spelling)

The protocol states:
Day 1 : double ur regular volume
Day 2 : regular volume
Day 3 : no shot
Day 4 : regular volume and continue to do shots every 3rd day

Since you already did your first shot, i would have to pull out a spread sheet just to recalculate what volume ur shots should be in order to put u back on schedule. But since i dont know too much about this ester, i dont want to speculate. Give the protocol a glance and maybe try it next cycle?

[methadone]

thanks nii, i guess ill do it next time

[tiramisu]

I would much rather my blood levels changed slowly than quickly. I find things like acne to be sensitive to the rate of change as much or more than the total amount of hormones being used.

[Solo59]

There's alot of misinformation spread by uninformed people that you cannot frontload using a long lived ester such as Enth or Cyp. These people dont understand how esters work and should keep their mouths shut.

Well I won't (keep my mouth shut) since the gentleman did ask. Frontloading puts unnecessary strain upon the body. I agree with Tiramisu. Without it, the body will adjust naturally to what's put in it. I doubt if you'll begin growing or getting stronger much faster in any case. Let time take its course and enjoy the ride, I say.

Solo

[methadone]

Yeah, I was thinking the same, I guess I'm just a little anxious, been a while since my last run.

Thanks guys

[nii]

I would much rather my blood levels changed slowly than quickly. I find things like acne to be sensitive to the rate of change as much or more than the total amount of hormones being used.
Maybe thats why it isnt standard? From personal experience, i found the sides to be almost non existent.

Well I won't (keep my mouth shut) since the gentleman did ask. Frontloading puts unnecessary strain upon the body. I agree with Tiramisu. Without it, the body will adjust naturally to what's put in it. I doubt if you'll begin growing or getting stronger much faster in any case. Let time take its course and enjoy the ride, I say.

Didnt mean to stop people from sharing their opinion, i was actually referring to pp who dont understand how esters work, claiming you cant frontload with a long lived ester.

You may be correct with the 'it puts unnecessary strain on the body', but what kind of strain? I dont know every feedback loop that is affected by upping test, but im guessing that the loops are fast enough to adjust accordingly. So it wouldnt matter if it took 21 days or 3 days for the body to adjust. But again, i dont know enough about the feedback loops that are specifically affected by test.

As for not getting stronger faster? Thats a pretty silly thing to say, almost as silly as saying gains made from 250mg = gains made from 500 mg. The link shows ur blood levels, and its clear that you'll get nearly 15% more gains from frontloading.

[fourarms]

Opinions are mixed on frontloading, but if you want to try it its not too late. I'm not recommending either way, but this site should help you decide what's best for your situation. Go to http://www.roidcalc.com/ and play with the values until you get the ramp up in blood levels you want.

If you're running 600mg EQ /week split into 2 shots (day 1 and day 4) your blood levels won't peak (at 90-94mg/day) and level off until week 10. A frontload will bring your values up to this level in less than a week if you want to.

I'm not sure if your first shot was 600 or 300. If it was 600 and you do a second 600 shot on day 4, followed by 2 shots/week of 300mg, your blood level will peak (at 90-94mg/day) and stay level at day 4 till end of cycle. This is a pretty fast ramp up, but your decision. If your first shot was 300mg, you could make your second shot 600mg on day 4, your third shot 450mg on day 8, and all remaining shots 300mg 2/week. This would get you peaked by day 8 (at 90-94mg/day).

[Delt King]

Opinions are mixed on frontloading, but if you want to try it its not too late. I'm not recommending either way, but this site should help you decide what's best for your situation. Go to http://www.roidcalc.com/ and play with the values until you get the ramp up in blood levels you want.

If you're running 600mg EQ /week split into 2 shots (day 1 and day 4) your blood levels won't peak (at 90-94mg/day) and level off until week 10. A frontload will bring your values up to this level in less than a week if you want to.

I'm not sure if your first shot was 600 or 300. If it was 600 and you do a second 600 shot on day 4, followed by 2 shots/week of 300mg, your blood level will peak (at 90-94mg/day) and stay level at day 4 till end of cycle. This is a pretty fast ramp up, but your decision. If your first shot was 300mg, you could make your second shot 600mg on day 4, your third shot 450mg on day 8, and all remaining shots 300mg 2/week. This would get you peaked by day 8 (at 90-94mg/day).

Good post! I think guys are just reluctant to try new things but the calculations speak for themselves on this. In my experience sides are worst as levels are rising or falling but very little when stable.

[methadone]

Hrm, well today is gonna be my second shot of the cycle
so i guess ill give it a try, if i dont like the outcome, ill know not to do it again next cycle.

today's shots will be 750mg of test and 600mg of eq, monday will be 560 mg of test and 450 of EQ, then the rest will be 375mg test shots and 300mg test shots 2x/week

edit: ill report back and let u guys know if i get any major acne flare ups or anything as i am prone...

[Praetorian]

At the end of the cycle front loading or not you will see very little difference in overall gains. If you are set in front loading a much better option to use is short ester test the first few week such as prop while the long ester builds in the blood. Doing this you can avoid most of the sides associated with high long ester volume...ie test flu, acne, etc .
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[Memo]

he could just do another shot today and keep going eod after tomorow

[methadone]

So it's been 3 days since i injected 750mg of cyp and 600mg of EQ into my glutes...no acne break outs or test flu yet...

also no site soreness or swelling or redness...im impressed, ive never done 3cc's in one injection before, 2cc's in the other

tomorrow im going to be doing 560 mg of test and 450 of EQ, then ill be going back to regular shots of 375mg 2x week of test and 300mg of eq 2x/week

ill keep you guys posted if any side effects come up

[#8]

not trying to hijack the thread as i feel its somewhat relevant but....

can one front load with test suspension to compliment a TEST E cycle? If the test e is being run at 250mg / 3 days what would the test suspension front load look like?